Groupthink

[coolpaddy]

Hi Herb,

I like that reply (your masterpiece) - it is a subject which you have studied, researched and tested in depth.  Your opinion, conclusions and views carry a lot of weight - you have the benefit of experience, and no doubt you are expert in that field.  Apart from ballistics, wheel bias etc there are other areas of roulette which are being tested and developed by other members who can rightly be called expert also. Some mutual respect would benefit everyone.

That reply ought to be posted as a topic in it's own right. You are indeed a biased guru!






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[Herb]

Thanks.

[ryan08]

personally im not to keen on winkel's system either, although its an inventive method and im sure it works, its to much work and tracking for me, and i lost 100 with it so i was put off, i have found something better i believe, that produces bigger profits, is totally mechanical and very simple to play

[See_Jerek]

personally im not to keen on winkel's system either, although its an inventive method and im sure it works, its to much work and tracking for me, and I lost 100 with it so I was put off, I have found something better I believe, that produces bigger profits, is totally mechanical and very simple to play

Personally,I feel the GUT works but only an experienced player who plays it everyday like winkel can benefit from it constantly,beginner will need some hard work to go to advanced level

[JHM]

G.U.T. really isn't that hard. For the tracking you can use droidman's software. It's great, tracks the crossings and shows the numbers. All you need is some interest, effort and time. Then you'll master this (the base) within a few days.

Than start playing live in a casino like dublinbet, where you can play live in fun mode.

[Proofreaders2000]

That's the whole point of this post.  While Herb may criticize Winkel, there is method to his madness.  None of us need to be complacent about finding the 'Holy Grail'.  GUT can be improved upon, just as any system.  It would be nice if there were more people daring to improve on Winkel's creation. 

2009 is coming.  We should have the Holy Grail by January

[ryan08]

while the G.U.T is good the holy grail (by this i mean a definate long term winner) is much simpler, trust me

[TwoCatSam]

Using Track4....

Look at the leftmost number.  Subtract one from it.  Keep those two numbers in your mind.  Move your eyes to the right.  Are either there?  No?  Go the the number to the right of the leftmost number and do the same.  And so on....

If you do it a few hours, you can see crossings jump off the page!  Well, screen!

I see 12.....I'm looking 12 and 11. 

Sam

[MXkid77]

Hi Sam,

Just to see if i am on the right track, According to spin #: 24 which is 18, we had a crossing of 17 in 0 - 1, checking visual with the text file, betting on # 17 from extract 18, 17 hit 9 spins later.

Would this be correct?

[JHM]

No. You should bet 2 times. Than wait untill a new crossing comes and play.

Originally posted by winkel.

17-13 numbers rebet after loss = total bets 2
12-10 numbers rebet after loss 2 times = total bets 3
9-8 numbers rebet after loss 3 times = total bets 4

36/numbers=times to bet (use first number only; 3,5 = 3)

stop at >39
otherwise play till spin 50, no stopploss no limit

we rebet a crossing as lon as it is alive
15-14 moves to 15-13 stop betting
15-14 stays 15-14 rebet (once see above)
especially later in the spins when bet 0vs2 appear:
9-9 loss
9-9 loss
9-9 loss
9-8 loss stopp betting

9-9
9-8
9-7 stopp
9-8 (a 1 has hit) start betting max 4times again

[winkel]

Hi Sam,

Just to see if I am on the right track, According to spin #: 24 which is 18, we had a crossing of 17 in 0 - 1, checking visual with the text file, betting on # 17 from extract 18, 17 hit 9 spins later.

Would this be correct?

     

sorry you got it absolutely wrong.

don´t bet number "17" 
bet the 17 numbers that haven´t hit til then.
31 loss
9 hit

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winkel

btw
I notice that G.U.T is discussed soon in every other topic. we shouldn´t mess around like that. Please ask in one of the Threads that have GUT in their names.

[MXkid77]

Thanks JHM & Winkel,

Winkel, i see know what you mean, i would be focusing on the 0: at the top reading to the right, betting on 0,5,6,9,11,12,13,14,16,19,21,22,23,25,27,28,36 to hit, how many spins?

[MXkid77]

Sorry, did'nt mean to turn this into another GUT thread, just wanted to see if i had a grasp on the track4.exe. Will scan the GUT threads if i need anything further.

Thanks for the help, much appreciated

[Proofreaders2000]

GUT is fine.  I wished there was a way of taking the guesswork out of it.  Like the messages in Roulette Sniper which tell you when to bet when there is a crossing or when to 'jump'.

[winkel]

Hi Herb,

I like that reply (your masterpiece) - it is a subject which you have studied, researched and tested in depth.  Your opinion, conclusions and views carry a lot of weight - you have the benefit of experience, and no doubt you are expert in that field.  Apart from ballistics, wheel bias etc there are other areas of roulette which are being tested and developed by other members who can rightly be called expert also. Some mutual respect would benefit everyone.

That reply ought to be posted as a topic in it's own right. You are indeed a biased guru!

Hi coolpaddy,

please note that this is not his own development

What he claims to be his idea is nearly as old as the game of roulette itself.

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winkel

[winkel]

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