KFS' Distance Tracker

[Kingpin]

Thanks TwoCat, I wasn't aware of that. It is the one called wheel alert right?

Kingpin

[TwoCatSam]

Kingpin

I think there are two.  Don't know why.  One is wheel alert and one is called ALERTer.

Check them out.  They are great!

Sam

[Kingpin]

Ok will do, thanks 

[Kon-Fu-Sed]

Hi all,


The last days has been work around the clock.
The business ("cleaning up" at the end of a contract before Christmas), programming this DT and the GUTter and also have time for all the "normal" stuff

There will be time to relax soon - two more working days only and then free time till 2009!



The new version of the DT is attached to the top post.
You will find the updates there as well (at the bottom of the post).

Note that the file to open now is "distrac[highlight]11[/highlight].html"


Anywayzzz... I had a hard time to find out a way to make three-pockets "sectors" and in the end found that color-coding was the only way.
I tried to separate the sectors by thicker lines but that wasn't doable.
Not without too much work for me, anyway...
This is html and JavaScript, you know.


Regarding the "alerters":
Alerter is tracing groups of numbers (Red, column#3, single-street #5)
Wheel Alerter is tracing sectors on the wheel


I also promise you, Kingpin, I really WILL look into what you have written in this thread and your files.
Just too much to do the last couple of days.


I attach a file containing the output from WB Table #8 ("air-ball") - 482 spins in one go.
If you're curious


I hope all of you will enjoy the DistanceTracker!


[highlight]And I wish you all a Merry Christmas![/highlight]
KFS

[TwoCatSam]

KFS

You have written the perfect software to test a theory I posted ages ago.  "The TwoCat Poop on Dealer Signature." 

I'll get right on it! 

Thanks a ton!

Sam

[Kingpin]

Wow Sounds great Santa-KFS [smiley=Santa001.gif] My prayers have been heard 

Looking forward to trying this out! What a nice christmas present! [smiley=christmas/120103_emA21_prv.gif]
Thank you VERY MUCH! [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]

BR
Kingpin

Merry christmas and happy new year to all.

[smiley=christmas/921.gif]

[Kon-Fu-Sed]

Hi guys.

I am sooo  !
There is an error in the RESET-button.

(So much for "reliable now" -  )

Either you go to the top and download the package
OR
You just take the zip-file attached to this post, un-zip it and replace your "basedt11.html" by this one.


I'm So sorry and I hope this hasn't been too much of an inconvenience.

/KFS

[Kon-Fu-Sed]

Hi Kingpin, and all,

I hope you've had a nice time during Christmas.


I've had a thorough look at your files, Kingpin.
It was nice to be able to compare several sessions with the same dealer.
You've done a great job.

I agree with you in that it SEEMS to be possible to watch the first 5-10 spins of each direction and then decide from that.
Some make nice "clumps" that maybe could be worth exploring - checking if it's possible to bet "the same distance as last".


I've found it really good to look at the graphs with half-closed eyes.
It will make "clumps", "forks" and "diagonals" easily spotted.



HOWEVER!
I have to say this: If the release-number is un-known, the patterns in your files are only random.
The release-number is essential; otherwise we don't measure the distance between the release- and hitting numbers (the physical power/aspect) - only the distance between two independent numbers.

And sadly enough I didn't find anything when I went down that route.


I've been quite active the last couple of days, studying "air-ball" results.
If the last hand-test (March 2008) also ends positive I will start re-writing the tracker for automated testing of this.
It will be on a day-by-day basis but better than nothing.

(My friend who used to write programs for large-scale tests refuses to do it anymore - unless I prove in before-hand that it will not end in the usual -2.7%.
I understand him; he's been helping me a lot - also long before I even found this site. And I'm as tired of the dreaded -2.7% as he is - that's why I'm trying the "distance route" now...)

Hand-testing is too tiresome, I have to do it automatically. These files are like 200 - 300 spins in each direction. 30 files for a month.
And of course I make errors hand-testing - I'm only human.
Those red shades dance before my eyes.
I will finish the March-check tomorrow.
If it ends bad, I'll let you all know in this thread tomorrow night.

Otherwise I will write the tracker and post those results - and what I'm doing of course - in a week.
Or thereabouts.
(I'm enjoying a two-weeks payed leave from work and want to spend a lot of time off the computer, you know )


[highlight]HAPPY NEW YEAR, ALL![/highlight]
KFS

[Lanky]

Hi Kon-Fu-Sed.

Mate let Me thank You for all the effort that You put into the Forum.

Even though I am hopeless at Computers & Don't use the trackers etc.

We really Appreciate that what You Guys do ,makes the Forum a better place for all Your Efforts.

Your Friend.

Lanky.

[Kingpin]

@KFS,

HOWEVER!
I have to say this: If the release-number is un-known, the patterns in your files are only random.

I am sure they are spinning from last spun number at DB. But the actual ball-release happens around the last hit number, within a range of +/- 1 to 2 pockets from the last hit number. so that is as good as it gets I would say. That's why I really wanted the "within 3-pocket tracker" 

Your experiments with air-ball sound interesting, looking forward to hear more about that. If we could make something conclusive with air-ball it would be great, because I think that it being mechanical, will show more persistent results than a human dealer.

And let me just second this which Lanky wrote earlier:

Mate let Me thank You for all the effort that You put into the Forum.

Even though I am hopeless at Computers & Don't use the trackers etc.

We really Appreciate that what You Guys do ,makes the Forum a better place for all Your Efforts.

That is true [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Best Regards
Kingpin

[Kon-Fu-Sed]

@Kingpin,

But the actual ball-release happens around the last hit number, within a range of +/- 1 to 2 pockets from the last hit number.

That is very good info.

Very nice.

Comparing different sessions of the same croupier, I am sure is the way to go ahead here.
So the more sessions you collect, the better for you.

But don't look for too long on those outputs - it can't be good for your eyes...
(Talking from experience )



@Kingpin and Lanky,

Thanks!



@all,

The CC spins for March ended negative.

So far I've had the following APPROXIMATE (hand-test) figures:
January CW over +100u / CC over +400u
February CW over +800u / CC over +300u
March CW not -300u / CC not -450u

So March ended negative for both CW and CC...
Too bad, really.

I will make up my mind later about extending the test, and add to the program, but I've put a lot into this already so maybe, maybe just for the fun of it.
To see how long it takes before I am down as much as I've been up, at least...


But a lot of my enthusiasm for this project was abruptedly taken away by this I read in the "Dark Side Section" - regarding VB players:

Their activities as far as the casino is concerned is dubious and the casino has every right to ask them to
leave. [highlight]I have and would point them out to the pit boss without any hesitation.[/highlight]

(My bolding/highlighting)

Now... How fun is it to post something about how it may be possible to win in - sort of - a VB way, when a member of the board takes pride in pointing us out "to the pit boss without any hesitation"..?
I'm certainly not playing "the game the way it was intended to be played"... And so...
And so maybe he will also take pride in telling the manufacturers of the "air-ball" machines about any "flaw" I might find (rather think I find)?

If we don't play "the game the way it was intended to be played" we will be pointed out "to the pit boss without any hesitation"...
That's a nice attitude.
Really nice.

With fellow members like him; who needs enemies?

Sigh...

Well...

Maybe later,
KFS


/Roulette-odds/ "...are not really unfair odds at all and in fact they are very good odds." - Mr. Chips
(I think I just learned who´s really on the "dark side"...)

[Kon-Fu-Sed]

Guys,

In the light of this reply from Mr. Chips in the "Dark Side Section":

If you see something suspicious report it.

Yes I most certainly will!

... I ask you to NOT POST what you find, using the DT.
I will not.

(If there's a real interest in this, maybe we can find other ways to communicate)


However, I WILL show you how it is possible to use what you find, in a B&M casino.
You use a certain hand-held device that is accepted by the casinos...
(And it's not expensive at all)

I'll do that by the end of the week as some preparations have to be done - scanning and making examples and such.

[highlight]HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL OF YOU![/highlight]

KFS

[Kon-Fu-Sed]

(Just a quickie between shower and off to New-Year's Dinner )

The "problem" is that in your terms I cheat.
The casino wouldn't know as they can't tell if I use the "device" in this or that way.


This is how I do when I "cheat":
By using my tracker I can get knowledge of a certain pattern of the wheel, of the wheel/ball combination or even the croupier/ball/wheel combination, that over a period of time give a positive net, unit-wise.

Whatever this pattern comes from (a broken bearing, a defect deflector, sloppy croupier or whatever), the way I interpret your posts in the "Dark Side Section", it is "cheating" to use this knowledge.

Now, I can't bring the tracker to the casino.
But I can transfer my knowledge of this pattern to this "device".
And it will interpret LIVE spins in a B&M casino and show me when the pattern appears AND when it's time to bet AND on which number(s) to bet.

So the "device" will help me "cheat".
Although it is perfectly accepted to use it.


Now, IF I continue to check those 2008 files, I will post the results but not the pattern itself or the other essential stuff.

What I meant by "not posting" was that we shouldn't post the patterns or whatever we find (maybe not something that will identify the wheel either) but of course great results are always fun to post.



/KFS

PS. If you don't understand what I mean by "pattern" there's an example in the first post of this thread.

[Handsome1]

This system looks pretty nice. I just do not get what numbers to bet. Could you explain this, please!

[Kon-Fu-Sed]

Hi Handsome1,

Sorry: The tracker is not a system - it's a recording/charting tool.

You input spins and get a visual of the relations between the ball's release- and resting-points.
It's meant for mapping a wheel or a croupier.

Best regards,
KFS

[Kon-Fu-Sed]

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