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[GRINDING TWEAK ON...] The Guetting Progression

Started by VLSroulette, November 28, 2008, 07:03:42 PM

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VLSroulette

Quote from: Mr J on May 23, 2009, 02:05:13 PM
Lets say we WIN on the LAST bet in our line. What do you think about starting over, from the beginning?

I'd rather add steps until hitting the very table maximum to the point it is impossible to add any more chips. I'd use the 1-18/19-36 location to "Fake table limits" as outlined here:

If you wonder how to add steps to the guetting line, look at the point where it iterates x 10:

2 2 3 3 4 4 6 6 8 8 12 12 16 16 20 20 30 30 40 40

As they keep the same proportion, only multipled by 10, you can obtain the next steps like:

2 2 3 3 4 4 6 6 8 8 12 12 16 16 20 20 30 30 40 40 60 60 80 80 120 120 160 160 200 200 300 300 400 400 .... and you get how it iterates.

Of course, make yourself it is wise to leave when you have money at your pockets, never to allow the "evening out" of the winning bets to get your balance back in full.

With positive progressions aiming to "win big" the moment to stop is the point where you can't physically rise the bet anymore, of course. Think like when you limit positive progressions you are limiting casino's

You wouldn't like to go off the table and then see a streak of 34 low numbers completed  :cray:

NEVER LIMIT WINNINGS, LIMIT LOSSES.

Regards,
Victor

VLSroulette

Of course, some grinders do use positive progressions to create "violent upward spikes" in the balance with the only aim to make up the needed rising for losses with casino's money, for which the moment to limit winnigs is where you made the drawdown back, and you even cut the numbers to fit last bet. i.e. you are -15 from reaching break even point, and next step of positive progression is 30, you cut it to 15, as in this case the goal is not to "break the bank", but to break even.

Victor

Mr J

Thanks for the info Victor, much appreciated!   Ken

bombus


Should we carry our position in this progression over to the next session or start anew?

Mr J

I like Victors version of the rules but I do have another question..... Lets say we have a string of losses. Say we lost on the first 12 bet and after that, we had 5 losses in a ROW. It would look like this? (from right to left) >> 2..3..4..6..8

Nathan Detroit

Ken

I nreply to your question . At the beginning of your session establish a  loss limit.Even if you lose  5 times in a row and you are still ahead you might continue the session.

Don`t switch to any other system .  Loss of discipline  is  your worst enemy.


Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!

P.S. I do establish a loss limit of  25-30 % of the required mandatory bankroll and exit after 3 losses in a row. However ,if I  have  already EXCEEDED my win goal I shall terminate the session after  1 loss.

Mr J

My loss stop is a bit different. I stop when every last dime is out of my pocket and I have no gas money for the car. I'm half joking and half serious. I'll be honest. My STOPS rarely have anything to do with wins or loses. Its all based on the clock. I leave/quit when I need to be somewhere. Bad way of doing it? Maybe. I made a good point over at LTW. If we get a string of loses, whats the big deal, our bets go down and down. A nice winning streak? Cool, our bets go up and up! This progression looks good on paper.   Ken

bombus

This progression can work well, but a wwLwwLwwLwwL sequence will work against you.

VLSroulette

"Honest men should not be afraid of correcting themselves."

Dear friends,

I am reporting an errata in all honesty.

I got this post titled wrong, in reality what is posted here is a GRINDING TWEAK on the guetting progression betting line.

I saw the winmaxx version only recently and yes, it is the ORIGINAL guetting progression scheme.

So what was labelled here as the guetting progression was in reality a GRINDING TWEAK to the guetting line designed to surf the LwLwLwLwLwLwLw... sequence in a loop forever without lowering greatly on the line, hence I apologize, this thread should have been named "GRINDING TWEAK on The Guetting Progression" from start.

I got this guetting progression line from a patient Spanish grinder.

Some European players are really fond of these systems such as the "Ganapan" or "bread winner", From the start I knew these type of systems are a viable way to grind. These people aren't roulette multi-millionaires, these are just regular grinders who love the game and are not afraid to grind for hours. Not for millions, but for their bread and basic money; true grinders at heart and enjoying it.

These characters spend most of the whole day at the casino and love to stretch progressions.

The whole grinding scheme involving this line is to make up for 2 units at a double-dozen or double-column bet.

You make the "punctual bet" (la apuesta puntual), and if you win, go back to virtual waiting for the next of these situational bets.

So ~66% of the time you make +1

On a lose, roughly ~50% of the time you get back to break even on the next bet.

The other ~50% of the time, you start grinding with the guetting line as per the instructions of this tweak and aim to recoup and make +2 on residual units to break even.

This isn't a bad plan and makes sense to grind as long you have the patience and have somewhat useful events to wait and bet on.

These are the rules as outlined by winmaxx:

Quote from: winmaxxThe Guetting Progression is a four stage gain progression:
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After two consecutive won bets in one stage the progression moves on to the next higher unit bet in that stage.

After the loss of a bet, the Guetting Progression steps down to the first unit size in the next lower stage, therefore down to 4, 1.5 or 1, depending, in which stage the bet was lost.

This loss can occur:
1.) if immediately after two consecutive won bets the next higher bet is lost
2.) if 2 consecutive losses appear.

The guetting line values as posted here ARE correct guetting progression values, when you extrapolate what is at winmaxx with the line posted here, it matches. Using 2 as base unit, as it is the grinding scheme's target to recoup from the double-column/double-dozen bet:

1.   Stage:
1 x 2 = 2
2 2 3 3 4 4 6 6 8 8 12 12 16 16 20 20 30 30 40 40

2.   Stage:
2 x 1.5 = 3; 2 x 2 = 4; 3 x 2 = 6
2 2 3 3 4 4 6 6 8 8 12 12 16 16 20 20 30 30 40 40

3.   Stage:
4 x 2 = 8 ; 6 x 2 = 12; 8 x 2 = 16
2 2 3 3 4 4 6 6 8 8 12 12 16 16 20 20 30 30 40 40

4.   Stage:
10 x 2 = 20; 15 x 2 = 30; 20 x 2 = 40
2 2 3 3 4 4 6 6 8 8 12 12 16 16 20 20 30 30 40 40

This should clear confusion on the original guetting and this GRINDING tweak.

So I give faith of this errata and apologize for the mislabeling. What I don't apologize for is having shared what I got with you.

In the end, this isn't a bad tweak of the guetting, this simply was not labeled right.

Regards,
Victor

Spike

Loss of discipline  is  your worst enemy.>>

I agree with Nathan. 'Plan the play and play the plan' is your goal. Switching boats in midstream is usually a bad idea, and its the downfall of a lot of players. 90% of your work is done outside the casino. Just like an athlete who trains for an event, he does 98% of the work in training and 2% in the actual event.

Mr J

 Thanks for correcting it Victor. Not a big deal buddy!  :good:  Ken

ChickenDinner

This works great betting the penultimate colour (or other ECs). I love it!

You start on 2 units, but the way I play is to move down to 1 unit after a loss at the 2 2 stage. After a win on 1 unit, I move back up to the 2 2 betting stage, and the guetting then continues as normal. I only bet 1 EC at a time (usually colours). A safe, easy, fun and often very profitable system for the patient player. It incorporates great money management and dispersion surfing methods that increases the bets when you're riding a succession of hits, and bets the very minimum when fighting against the dispersions =  :thumbsup:

A great great way to play!

Cheers
CD

Allin

Hi Guys,

     I tried testing this system, Good thing is its not making lose your entire bankroll, Just keep you in the game for long run. 

     Below are the test results (Tested based on H/L bets)

    Test 1 :   10K spins Final Balance  -412
    Test 2 :   10K spins Final Balance  -438
    Test 3 :   10K spins Final Balance  -656

   Basically with this sytem, you don't broke, you cannot win as well.

Regards

ChickenDinner

Hi Allin,

What was your bet selection method on the H/L?

Cheers
CD


Allin

Hi Brother,

     I played 48% advantage.  I cannot test any system (for Evens)more than this advantage, otherwise thats not called testing.

Regards

Allin

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