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The matrix system
December 01, 2008, 11:30:34 AM
HI Kimo,

Glad to see you are here..

Do have any plan to publish your matrix system?

thanks
PH

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Re: The matrix system
December 14, 2008, 07:31:25 AM
why not reply?

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Re: The matrix system
January 23, 2009, 03:19:23 PM
Hey Kimo,

I am also very interested in finding some details about your Matrix system....i've bought and read you european roulette wheel book, but didnt find any details about this Matrix system....i've taken Linear Algebra 1 and 2 in university and know about matrixes, but dont really know how to apply them to roulette..any clues, tips, or is this information found in your second book that I will purchase?

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Re: The matrix system
January 23, 2009, 07:33:04 PM
Hello, here's something I wrote:



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Quoted from splinter26
Dito i'd like to find out about this.

Start at the very basic level.

First read what is a Matrix (not as in the movie, as in the traditional mathematical sense): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_(mathematics)

Definition:

A matrix is a rectangular arrangement of numbers.

You can begin your journey from here.

Regards.




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any hints or clues?
Roulette = Round, as per the "small wheel" definition.
Matrix = Squared, as per the Mathematical definition.

Hint: How do you extrapolate a round wheel into a "rectangular arrangement of numbers"? Answer it and that's your matrix! Any numerical arrangement containing roulette's numerical range can be considered a "Roulette Matrix".

As for the exact arrangement used by kimo, well, it will be way too impolite for me to go divulge it in public. He has been a gentlemen to me and I won't be telling the world about HIS particular matrix. I'm just shedding some light as to what a generic "Roulette Matrix" is referred to.

Having said that, the matrix is only another bet selection method, it isn't the mechanical-play holy grail, it works to see events, which are certainly expected to hit at the same expected ratio as with every other bet selection method (ask the math wizards!). Of course, with proper progression and consistent-enough events (i.e. don't usually go past your N-step prog.) it can work.

What's left is for you to build your own particular matrix arrangement of numbers and see if you can spot consistent events. Perhaphs these ones can even be those Kimo or even Holyman spotted! They are creative people, like us, they observed their events, sure others can too.



Something to bear in mind before thinking by re-arranging roulette numbers in any particular way will give you the holy grail: Why numbers at the layout are in numerical order? Because casinos know it doesn't matter the order, any N-number combination will keep on being an N-number combination, with the same payout and same expected cycle, same expected dispersion and same expected events attached to it.

Try it! Make your own permutations of -say- a 12-number group (your own dozen/column) and see if it outperforms hit rate from a layout dozen or a layout column. It doesn't.

It is just any other of the possibilities of numerical arrangements which can occur within the range of roulette numbers. Casinos know it, so they are okay with any "arrangement of numbers" made by any player. :)
In my opinion, no numerical arrangement is per-se superior to any other. What could be superior is a person's ability to spot patterns using a certain arrangement over another.

Still you can have an enjoyable time spotting events in your own numerical arrangements, but all said and done, it is more like some spanish players say: no matter how you select your bet, it is how you react to bet results what makes the difference (i.e. risk more on concentration of hits, not taking dumb risk at dispersion times, and the whole strategy-play framework).



Some people win betting whatever they wish, first step is to stop thinking a bet selection is superior to any other, and rather use it only as an indicator to have ordered events to measure and react to.

Best regards,
Victor

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Re: The matrix system
January 23, 2009, 09:53:49 PM
Thanks for the observation Spike,
I should have said: "stop thinking any [highlight]mechanical[/highlight] bet selection is superior to any other".

Every mechanical bet selection is doomed, no matter the numerical arrangement.

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Re: The matrix system
January 24, 2009, 02:23:22 PM
thanks so much for the info and replies VLS, i am moving today and will be without internet for a week but upon my return i will study this!

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Re: The matrix system
January 26, 2009, 07:12:27 AM
Hi Whitenight,

This could be a matrix taking into account disposition of the numbers in a 0 wheel roulette and making a layout out of it:

[numbers]
    0
32 15 19
 4 21  2
25 17 34
 6 27 13
36 11 30
 8 23 10
 5 24 16
33  1 20
14 31  9
22 18 29
 7 28 12
35  3 26
[/numbers]

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The use you give to this arrangement of the numbers is up to you mate. It could be a start anyway.

Cheers,
Carlos.
It's all about reading randomness: single 0 outcomes (Dublinbet) 11 28 7 5 35 33 11 25 5 25
33 7 35 33 4 14 34 30

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Re: The matrix system
January 26, 2009, 03:02:23 PM
Carpanta,

This is a perfect example of the roulette wheel in Matrix form.  It exemplifies the wheel in to sectors: six packs, 12 packs, eighteen packs etc.

People have been itching to speak about the Matirix without offending me.  I am not offended.  I am relieved that the Matrix has started a buzz, per se.

Know this, if you want to learn the Matrix, buy my books and translate each strategy into a Matrix.

The secret of the Matrix is out.  How to apply it will still remain a secret.



American Matrix


28     9     26     30     11     7
20     32     17     5     22     34
15     3     24     36     13     1
27     10     25     29     12     8
19     31     18     6     21     33
16     4     23     35     14     2



European Matrix

32     15     19     4     21     2
25     17     34     6     27     13
36     11     30     8     23     10
5     24     16     33     1     20
14     31     9     22     18     29
7     28     12     35     3     26

Best of Luck to all.

Kimo Li




Hello dear Kimo,
It is my belief there are more people out there like holyman who figured out how to build a matrix using roulette numbers by themselves and their application has been taken to levels we can only imagine!

I believe it is something which has to do with one's will of applying the information cointained in your books. Also with how much inner desire one may have to discover it. You have been a kind and generous teacher by writing your books and exposing them to the world (they can be found from amazon to plenty of stores).

In case people wonders, I believe the publishing of this tool won't get casinos out flat broke (there are and there will be perfect losers all the time to feed the casinos), what it can do is change people's lives for good by giving consistent people another field to direct their studies & tests and discover events, which being consistent to them, can open doors. That's what count.

Casinos can rest assured.

This is another fine example of generosity from a big-hearted sharing author.

Kimo, thank you! May this allow the roulette community truly benefit from your kindness. This is one of those tools which deserve plenty of study; and this is one you just can't afford to ignore guys.
Victor

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Re: The matrix system
January 26, 2009, 04:19:53 PM
Hey Kimo! 

Great to hear your still alive and kicking.  Thanks for the breath of fresh air.
I for one have always been a big fan of your work.

Cheers,
Matt
Albert Einstein - "If I was given a problem and had 30 days to solve it, I would spend 29 days defining the problem and only 1 day solving it."

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Re: The matrix system
January 26, 2009, 09:29:26 PM
I just made images for both the European and American matrices by Kimo li.

Right-click on image to save!






Direct links:

http://vlsroulette.com/img/european_matrix_vlsroulette.com_kimo-li.png

http://vlsroulette.com/img/american_matrix_vlsroulette.com_kimo-li.png

Let's start the study! There's an easily highlighting tool on the way, as well as the [matrix] tag for us to share & illustrate findings easily. :thumbsup:

Victor

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Re: The matrix system
January 27, 2009, 12:10:04 AM
First version of Matrix highlight tool here: http://vlsroulette.com/matrix/

After [matrix] tag is finished, then I'll add code generation for our forum parser to generate an inline image inside threads for us here, based on the resulting highlighted table.
This way we wil be able to share highlighted matrices for the discussion of numerical events and patterns on them easily.

Use the matrix tool to warm-up! Run several dealer changes on it to start training the eye; finding consistent enough configurations/events, we can start talking about betting methods -with bet selection and money management- on it.

Best regards.
Victor

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Re: The matrix system
January 27, 2009, 08:37:48 AM
Thanks very much Kimo and Victor for your teachings/explanations and time for those of us seeking the light :).
I know using Kimo's books many doors will open to show us there are events while playing roulette (if recognized) they help a lot with the "right" bets.
You can develope so many strategies taking into account GPM and Stars only in the wheel that it is not easy to specialized in all of them.
Having in mind the exact order of numbers in the wheel, the GPs and Stars they belong to and tracking ball movement (most important)
then you can have in mind different matrixs (learnt beforehand) to apply when you see repeated events/patterns to take profit.
For me it is easier to track those events related to tie-bow strategies with GPs (six-pack, 12 pack and 18 pack) and Stars (1-2, 3-4,5-6/ 1-3, 3-5, 5-1  2-4, 4-6, 6, 2 etc) playing 4 (most time, trying to catch Kimo's 22 maybe?) or 6 numbers.
Change of dealers make me stop betting. This could rise a discussion in itself while using kimo's strategies.
I open this messege just to go on with some shooting.

Cheers,
Carlos.
It's all about reading randomness: single 0 outcomes (Dublinbet) 11 28 7 5 35 33 11 25 5 25
33 7 35 33 4 14 34 30

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Re: The matrix system
January 29, 2009, 05:20:51 AM
I take the chance to thank Kimo Li for bringing us GPM. I think there is no point in asking him to reveal more about the Matrix, because I am pretty sure he will not. :)

The only public "demonstration" of using the matrix was that of Holyman on the other forum. Did anyone figure that out or analysed his play? To be honest I only think I understand his first bet...

Numbers extracted 14,7,13,11,33,9 and he bets 18,31. I think thats is because GPM sector 9 has hit twice and he picks two numbers of that sector searching for an arrowhead that has started forming. If you check the arrowhead pattern in conjuction with the extracted numbers you will see what I mean...

After that unfortunately I cannot say I understand much  :-\

My Best Regards