Yes Holyman..thats how i was approaching it..thanks for ur new strategy to this effect...defiantly give it a workout..and thanks for explaining the 2 sets of 36 numbers..i spent all day trying to figure out the relationship between the two..what did come out of it.. i found two matching group of numbers between the sets.. 5,36,11,13 and 1,23,10,17 and with 18,22,28 and 9,31,35 with 27 and 34 swapped .i thought that was awesome because the rows in ur MATRIX dispense the numbers differently..(per sector)..I still need to make sure i grasp some basic foundations to Kimos VB method and getting the book asap..i had no ideal how expansive a MATRIX can be..again thank u and Kimo li for giving a player new insights and a better observation of whats going on with this little "oval track"..