## The “ATILA” Money Management.

Started by admin, November 19, 2007, 06:25:33 PM

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This money management is named after a Spanish-speaking player. He explained his belief that with the right progression any bet selection can become profitable.

Atila himself used it with 9 numbers. We won't enter into the selection of those numbers, it can be any 9-number group according to him, although he said to have once used numbers 9-12-15-18-21-24-27-30 and 33, but in his own words, -for him- bet selection doesn't matter too much.

The basic layout for the 9 numbers goes this way:
1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1

On a lose, then only 1 number gets a rise, making it:
2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1

If another lose, then another number gets risen, while keeping the former one rose:
2.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1

Always on a lose, the next number rises, one at a time.
2.2.2.1.1.1.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.1.1.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.1.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.2.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2

When you finish rising this line with 2's, then you move to the 3's.

3.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2

The formula is constant:

3.3.2.2.2.2.2.2.2

Term by term. +1 on a lose.

3.3.3.2.2.2.2.2.2
3.3.3.3.2.2.2.2.2
3.3.3.3.3.2.2.2.2
3.3.3.3.3.3.2.2.2
3.3.3.3.3.3.3.2.2
3.3.3.3.3.3.3.3.3

And the process keeps on with 4

4.3.3.3.3.3.3.3.3
4.4.3.3.3.3.3.3.3
4.4.4.3.3.3.3.3.3
4.4.4.4.3.3.3.3.3
4.4.4.4.4.3.3.3.3
4.4.4.4.4.4.3.3.3
4.4.4.4.4.4.4.3.3
4.4.4.4.4.4.4.4.4

Well, you should have it learned by now. After 4, it continues with 5 for the first term. And so on. I'll make 5's as last example:

5.4.4.4.4.4.4.4.4
5.5.4.4.4.4.4.4.4
5.5.4.4.4.4.4.4.4
5.5.5.4.4.4.4.4.4
5.5.5.5.4.4.4.4.4
5.5.5.5.5.4.4.4.4
5.5.5.5.5.5.4.4.4
5.5.5.5.5.5.5.4.4
5.5.5.5.5.5.5.5.5

I think it is enough in the example field for comprehension.

Observations originally given:

-      Exposition in terms of units can be elevated, but if you want to win at the casino you must play with the right weapons, and one of them is to have enough bank to pull out from the system's expected drawdown.
-      A minimum of 500 units as bank.
-      Win target between +50 to +100.
-      When there is a win and you are close to previous high, reset. (i.e. you get a hit and leave -10 or less units below, you go to 1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1).
-      Sometimes it is advisable to quit the session if after several tries and experiencing several drawdowns you simply can't get your win target done for the day.

Well guys. This is the original system as promised.

I shall write my own recommendations/and observations plus how I have used it with positive results in a separate thread. I have tweaked it to suit me and I'm willing to share as usual.

Best regards from a friend,
Victor.

#### atlantis

Thanks Victor.

Interesting. I'm eagerly looking forward to your "way" of playing this.
Thanks for sharing.

Atlantis.

#### Gamlet

Hi Victor

Correct if I am not right!

I choose 9 numbers we shall (any way admit 1.11.23.24.35.36.7.18.9.

Then I put 9 times on 1 \$. If I have 3 win ==>(9spins),

I continue to play on 1 \$! If I have 2 win ==>9 spins

I raise on one (any number) 2 \$, and the others 8 numbers on 1 \$.

I play 4 spins .[ch1045][ch1089][ch1083][ch1080] my balance increases,

I come back on 1 \$ *9 numbers! If I lose for session,

I raise on 2 \$. So I put 2 numbers on 2 \$ and 7 numbers on 1 \$, and I play 9 more spins and so on!

I have correctly understood or not?

Cheers,

Gamlet.

#### cps10

Victor - what if one was to play 15 numbers? Would the start be as follows:

1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1

Then progress to:

2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1
2.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1
2.2.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.1.1.1.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.1.1.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.1.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2

and so on?

#### MattyMattz

Interesting system, but can someone explain how it works when we encounter a win?  Do we go down in bet amount?

Thanks,
Matt

#### martingoal

Here is for 6 numbers to play...
[smiley=lipsrsealed.gif]
1      1      6      6      6      36      30
2      1      6      6      12      36      24
3      1      6      6      18      36      18
4      1      6      6      24      36      12
5      1      6      6      30      36      6
6      1      6      6      36      36      0
7      2      6      12      42      72      30
8      1      6      6      54      36      -18
9      1      6      6      60      36      -24
10      1      6      6      66      36      -30
11      1      6      6      72      36      -36
12      1      6      6      78      36      -42
13      2      6      12      84      72      -12
14      2      6      12      96      72      -24
15      1      6      6      108      36      -72
16      1      6      6      114      36      -78
17      1      6      6      120      36      -84
18      1      6      6      126      36      -90
19      2      6      12      132      72      -60
20      2      6      12      144      72      -72
21      2      6      12      156      72      -84
22      1      6      6      168      36      -132
23      1      6      6      174      36      -138
24      1      6      6      180      36      -144
25      2      6      12      186      72      -114
26      2      6      12      198      72      -126
27      2      6      12      210      72      -138
28      2      6      12      222      72      -150
29      1      6      6      234      36      -198
30      1      6      6      240      36      -204
31      2      6      12      246      72      -174
32      2      6      12      258      72      -186
33      2      6      12      270      72      -198
34      2      6      12      282      72      -210
35      2      6      12      294      72      -222
36      1      6      6      306      36      -270
37      2      6      12      312      72      -240
38      2      6      12      324      72      -252
39      2      6      12      336      72      -264
40      2      6      12      348      72      -276
41      2      6      12      360      72      -288
42      2      6      12      372      72      -300
43      3      6      18      384      108      -276
44      2      6      12      402      72      -330
45      2      6      12      414      72      -342
46      2      6      12      426      72      -354
47      2      6      12      438      72      -366
48      2      6      12      450      72      -378
49      3      6      18      462      108      -354
50      3      6      18      480      108      -372
51      2      6      12      498      72      -426
52      2      6      12      510      72      -438
53      2      6      12      522      72      -450
54      2      6      12      534      72      -462
55      3      6      18      546      108      -438
56      3      6      18      564      108      -456
57      3      6      18      582      108      -474
58      2      6      12      600      72      -528
59      2      6      12      612      72      -540
60      2      6      12      624      72      -552
61      3      6      18      636      108      -528
62      3      6      18      654      108      -546
63      3      6      18      672      108      -564
64      3      6      18      690      108      -582
65      2      6      12      708      72      -636
66      2      6      12      720      72      -648
67      3      6      18      732      108      -624
68      3      6      18      750      108      -642
69      3      6      18      768      108      -660
70      3      6      18      786      108      -678
71      3      6      18      804      108      -696
72      2      6      12      822      72      -750
73      3      6      18      834      108      -726
74      3      6      18      852      108      -744
75      3      6      18      870      108      -762
76      3      6      18      888      108      -780
77      3      6      18      906      108      -798
77      3      6      18      924      108      -816

@Gamlet
You got the core of the ATILA right:

QuoteI raise on one (any number) 2 \$, and the others 8 numbers on 1 \$.
I raise on 2 \$. So I put 2 numbers on 2 \$ and 7 numbers on 1 \$, and I play 9 more spins and so on!

This is correct.

When you didn't got it right is in holding up 4 spins or more before the rise.

You play it like:

Spin #1:
111111111

Spin #2:
211111111

Spin #3:
221111111

Spin #4:
222111111

Spin #5:
222211111

Spin #6:
222221111

Spin #7:
222222111

Spin #8:
222222211

Spin #9:
222222221

Spin #10:
222222222

Spin #11:
322222222

Spin #12:
332222222

... and so on.

You don't wait 4 spins or more, you make the 1 number to 1 number rise every spin.

@mattymatts
Quotebut can someone explain how it works when we encounter a win?

According to the original author, you never do down in the progressionn even on a hit/win if you are still losing. His original explanation is to only make a reset when coming on PROFIT, so, if you were 22111111 and have a hit which still doesn't makes any new balance high (profit) then you continue with 22211111.

...Later on he says he can use a little bit of human judgement and if he comes from a big drawdown and gets around -10 then he makes a reset to 111111111. (Very wise advice if you ask me).

QuoteDo we go down in bet amount?
As explained, not as per the original author., but decrementing on a win is a variation I've heard about.

@atlantis
QuoteI'm eagerly looking forward to your "way" of playing this.

I started writing the post already. Have to finish making VLS' Cheating D'alembert post, then I'll fully enter with my approach to the ATILA Money Management.

Basically my approach has two major tweaks: plenty of reset points (hardcoded and human-based) & not advancing the progression on a win.

You guys will be able to get my way of playing by checking the brainstorming thread ATILA + Bet selections at the brainstorming section and the ATILA test which starts today!

Below is an explanation on how to place the chips from the thread above.

...Atila Disk-sector players tend to start rising the units from the center to the outside. i.e. if target/prediction/hot number is "0", the 9-number sector is: 12,35,3,26,0,32,15,19,4

Their ATILA line looks like:
111121111
111221111
111222111
112222111
112222211
122222211
122222221
222222221
222222222
222232222
222332222
222333222
...to:
333343333

To be "picture clear", like this:

For [highlight]layout[/highlight] bettors, I recommend as exposed above:

1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1
2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1
2.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1
2.2.2.1.1.1.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.1.1.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.1.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.2.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2
3.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2
...

How to place the bets at the layout? Easy and hassle-free: starting from the lower number to the higher.

To be super-clear, I made this pic today:

Best regards,
Victor

#### roger

huh  :-?  i played it all wrong i see, i just keep moving in the progression no matter what happend, i didn't reset after a new bank high, i had great result so far but last night i had a losing session and lost 200 euro nut much but its still a loss.
So you reset only when you got a new high bankroll?

Hey roger, now I'm testing it with Wildcard's numbers -at last-. Since the main idea of it is to see how I play it, here goes my reset points:

1=27
2=54
3=81
4=108
5=135
6=162
7=189
8=216
9=243
10=270

The mechanical approach is to reset to the lower base bet which puts you in profit.

Say you are in 665555555 and have a hit, you make your calculations like:

<Session high> - <Current balance> = <Gap to reset>

And the result of that you consider for the reset.

Say you were  1000 as session highest point, now you are 937, then you calculate like:

1000 - 937 = 63

You look it up at the reset point table:

1=27
2=54
3=81 <- And you are here.
4=108

Why 3? Because 2=54 and you are behind 63, the next reset point to bring you profit is 3=81, the next higher ammount than your calculated "gap".

So you lower your ATILA from 665555555 to 333333333

I think that is something understandable.
Victor

The formula to get my ATILA reset point with 9 numbers is:

(36 * <unit>) - (<unit> * <9>)

If unit = 1, then:

(36 * 1) - (1 * 9)

36 - 9 = 27

This is how 1=27 is obtained.

If unit = 2 then:

(36 * 2) - (2 * 9)

74 - 18 = 54

It makes 2 = 54

Pretty easy! You could calculate amounts higher than 10 this way and build a larger Atila reset point list for as much as you wish.

If unit = 11 then:

(36 * 11) - (11 * 9)

396 - 99 = 297

It makes 11 = 297 and goes to the end of the list...
1=27
2=54
3=81
4=108
5=135
6=162
7=189
8=216
9=243
10=270
11 = 297

Victor

...The human factor...

Something I'd like to point out is the human factor. We are not machines.

I'm making the wildcard test 100% mechanically only to prove the set of rules exactly as outlined, but be certain I also give weight to human-based decision at the table.

Say I come from a bad dispersion and I calculate the reset "gap" as per above and I'm -57. Mechanical rules say since

2=54

and

3=81

... I should pick 3, but be damn certain in such conditions I'll reset to 2, since at that particular moment in time I will try to cover the best from a possible back-to-back return of dispersion in hits and from 222222222 to 333333333 there are 9 more bets against it.

Anyway, let me stress again that the test generating the graphs will be done using a 100% mechanical approach, no human element at all. Just wanted to point this out: when you are at the table, you can "cheat" the mechanical approach a little in order to protect as much as humanly possible from dispersion.

Best regards,
Victor

#### roger

Yes, now its clear to me, thanks fot the explanation.   [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]

#### MattyMattz

Excellent post VLS,
I'm sure your "reset points" will come in real handy to anyone using the ATILA betting method.
I was having trouble determining the values, so thank you for this.

Cheers,
Matt

[smiley=dankk2.gif]

Fingers Crossed,

I have contacted the real Atila (yes, the actual person) and asked him to join the forum...

Hopefully he'll be around soon.