G.U.T. C B A

[Herb]

with G.U.T and studying the trots, Roulette is still an game of independent trials, but you have the tools to change it to a game of skills.
Playing chess with Bobby Fisher and to win is luck. Except you studied the game and trained your skills like Kasparow or any other did.

The GUT doesn't enable you to change it to a game of skills either.
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@Mr. Chips,

Dr. Edward Thorp most certainly does address roulette systems in his book, "The Mathematics of Gambling".

THE MATHEMATICS OF GAMBLING
Copyright © 1984
by Dr. Edward O. Thorp

[TwoCatSam]

Guts and GUTsters......

OK, thanks to madupz4 I have two ways to test the GUTCBA.  When--if ever--I get time to go back to betting, I will play the G.U.T. as I've done for the last month.  Then, using the same numbers and my jump back point, I will see what the GUTCBA would have done betting one crossing and betting more than one crossing.

Anyone notice GUTCBA sounds like a monster ravaging Tokyo?  

Now was that humor or was I being a b***h?  



Sam

[Handsome1]

Yes, we can see that is just pure luck that TwoCatSam and Winkel made some profits otherwise there must be rules, when jump back, when to bet or not, or bet double crossings and so on.

[winkel]

Yes, we can see that is just pure luck that TwoCatSam and Winkel made some profits ....

How do you see this?

... otherwise there must be rules, when jump back, when to bet or not, or bet double crossings and so on.

There are such rules! If you would be so kind to read, you would be able to see.

On the other hand I wrote: If someone needs iron rules he shouldn´t play this nor even continue to read about G.U.T

regards
winkel

[Handsome1]

OK, tell me the rules then. I have read a lot of this and watched TwoCatSam's videos and it does not sound very professional, if there says now I think to quit, because it is bad weather here in Oklahoma. Do I start to watch what kind of weather there is in Oklahoma, that I know when to quit.

Tell me the rules then. Do I play allways 50 spin, even I loose money all the time? Should I quit if I do not got hits to crossing/s. Why other people do not make money except you and TwoCatSam, if there are real rules?

[winkel]

So I say again:
You can bet every crossing if there is a crossing
You will win and lose but win more than you lose
You can bet with mistakes it won´t change anything
If you are in doubt or a losing streak just jump or quit

This is what I said from the beginning, didn´t I?

G.U.T has the rules and the ability to raise your wins by:
playing it not for any certain number of spins
by starting at any point of a trot or permanence
by reducing losses and raising wins

Who needs iron rules will lose in the long run
Everybody who can read what is going on and react in "any way" will be succesful.

and again handsome:

I don´t press anyone to play this,
I don´t sell it
I am just presenting my idea

If you take the mickey out of it by saying thinks like

if there says now I think to quit, because it is bad weather here in Oklahoma. Do I start to watch what kind of weather there is in Oklahoma, that I know when to quit.

you are not able to get any idea out of it.

so please stop reading and making comments on it. Or are you just a friend or second Nick of Herb.

[Handsome1]

I know that you are pissed, because KFS just proved, that there is no clinical way to use this program. Anyone can make money just with the luck. If there are no rules or even some random rules, there is just a luck. I am just telling these facts to warn other people, that they do not loose money with this program. There is nothing personal for you Winkel.

[winkel]

these clinical test-rules are only made up for testing. It is not the game!

and the "program" is also not the game.

and other people not only TCS and me did prove it winning.

and I´m not pissed about what KFS did program or proof, because it is proving all i said til now.

that there is no clinical way to use this program.

that´s what I said from the beginning. i cannot see why this is now used against me.

If there are no rules or even some random rules, there is just a luck.

And again: all rules you would like will lead a game to -2,7.

and think about it: all this luck is made by flat betting. there is til now no other game that produces flat-betting such "luck", or please tell me, I would be interested in it.

People who wanna "warn other people" are the badest people in the world if they are not able to give their warnings a proof.
Just telling: "Don´t do it", doesn´t even impress 4 year old children. and everyone who is playing Roulette knows, that it is luck.
So what is your warning adressed to?

Are you a Casino-Owner afraid of people playing this? Because you can´t do anything against this strategy.

Or isn´t it allowed to be more constructive and intelligent than you?

Look at that genius @herb and what he said here:

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/general-board/if-this-is-possible-then-finding-the-holy-grail-is-a-piece-of-cake!/msg31523/#msg31523

He doesn´t even know, that this is used daily to optimize the relation between content and material needed to make a container for the content. (sorry for not knowing the english expressions for that. e.g. soup in a tin)

regards
winkel

[winkel]

I am amateur roulette player and bought couple days ago roulette raid 4

Did you write this?
you are just pissed to have had spent money for nothing and having G.U.T for free.

[Herb]

Look at that genius @herb and what he said here:

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/general-board/if-this-is-possible-then-finding-the-holy-grail-is-a-piece-of-cake!/msg31523/#msg31523

What I wrote was accurate.   I'm amazed that you believe otherwise. 

nolinks://books.google.com/books?id=P-U-CdaD4l8C&pg=PA131&lpg=PA131&dq=hoopers+paradox&source=web&ots=ruYgxF0BcD&sig=PO-9VCdOXWLobIRwnFX5v6awD7E&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=3&ct=result#PPA132,M1

[Worm]

Wtf have happend to this forum? [smiley=3D-Smil/36_2_5.gif] [smiley=3D-Smil/36_2_5.gif]

[TwoCatSam]

Hey fellers.....

I had a brilliant idea! 

Let's not rush to judgment.  I am playing right this minute and will use those numbers to run through the program.  Let's use the year of 2009 to study the G.U.T. and the GUTCBA program.  Either it will work or it won't.

I am also notating the CW spins and the dealer changes to try with the Distance Tracker.

Sam

[Herb]

Now you did it Mr. Chips.  You've made Worm cry.

There, there Worm.  The mean Mr. Chips has gone away.

[Kon-Fu-Sed]

winkel,

You wrote:

Look at that genius @herb and what he said here:

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/general-board/if-this-is-possible-then-finding-the-holy-grail-is-a-piece-of-cake!/msg31523/#msg31523

I have a book by Martin Gardner (Scientific American writer) in front of me:
"The 2nd Scientific American Book of Mathematical Puzzles and Diversions"
Printed in 1958, in my possession since August 1962 (yes; I'm ooold )

In the chapter "Fi: The Golden Section" this paradox is fully explained - and the explanation is that there's an empty space along the diagonal.
Simple as that, actually.
(Scale it up and it is very visible)

What did that genius Herb say?


Now, back to the GUT... If I may...

It is my absolute belief that a math based method cannot work without luck.
I have said it before.

And winkel claims that this is not math but stochastics. Dealing with distribution.

But the "rule of 2/3" is also dealing with distribution.
And that "rule" is math - or?

What's it now?
In 37 spins...
... approximately 13 (13.4) numbers will have no hit
... approximately 14 (13.8 ) numbers will have one hit
... approximately 10 (9.8 ) numbers will have more than one hit out of which...
... approximately 7 (6.9) will have exactly two hits and...
... approximately 3 (2.7) will have more than two hits.
(Why it's called "rule of 2/3" is beyond me - those figures are what happens, I have it noted with many more decimals )

Now, looking at the 96-days clinical test we can see that the AVERAGE for each column at the 37th spin was...
... approximately 13.05 numbers with no hits (the "=0" column)
... approximately 14.20 numbers with one hit (the "=1" column)
... approximately 9.75 numbers with more than one hit, of which...
... approximately 7.04 numbers hit twice and...
... approximately 2.71 numbers hit more than twice.

As you can see, the numbers in the GUTtest is not far from math.
(The sample is very small)
And so I claim that this method apply to common probability math.


And winkel:
This quote from you is not poor English or something else.
It's a downright CLAIM for the CLINICAL GUT:

In reply #77 on: September 17, 2008, 12:49:06 PM you wrote:
"But this is a clinical test with iron rules, just to show it wins more than it loses even with no human interactions"

If it is a clinical test - it is a clinical test... Or?
If it has iron rules - it has iron rules... Or?
If it wins more than it loses - it win more than it loses... Or?
And if it does that even with no human interaction - it does that even with no human interaction... Or?

How on Earth can that sentence be interpreted in any other way than I do?


LAST BUT NOT LEAST!

FOR ALL!

[highlight]I STRESS THAT THE GUTCBA SCRIPT IS A TOOL FOR TESTING![/highlight]
In my opinion, but that's MY opinion, real money shouldn't be bet using this method.


Now I have to sleep.
No posts tomorrow
/KFS

[winkel]

Hi KFS,

Law of the Third : When Pascal or Gaus started to explore this, they were testing with 36 numbers not with 37. so one trot had 36 spins not 37.

Within 36 Trials hitting 36 different numbers the law showed up like this:
24 numbers appeared
12 of them apeaared mor than once.

36 24 12 this is 3/3 2/3 1/3

as I proved in my "view at statistics":
The average appears only in about 6,3% of all trots of 37 spins.
552901 rotation with 13 14 10 out of 8776078 rotations checked


so the deviation is the rule not the average.

G.U.T plays the deviations. and it excludes the outer limits like only 15 numbers in 37 spins or more than 28 numbers in 37 spins.

look at this:



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winkel

[winkel]

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