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The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method

Started by Wally Gator, January 04, 2009, 01:05:01 AM

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Wally Gator

Lanky suggested that I begin to post some of my results using Ronjo's Group of 3 method.  Before I do, let me preface this by saying my belief is that eventually all systems will fail somewhere.  That's the reality of it, so you gotta just accept it.   But, I also believe that the VB and bias strategies don't succeed everywhere. And, that's the reality of that also, so you gotta just accept it.  I firmly believe that true long term success is in learning it all and applying it to any given visit to the casino.  No question, if you are serious, that's what you've got to do.  Patience with yourself is the key.  Let me say that again ... patience with yourself is the key.

I have run Ronjo's 3 Group strategy 3 different ways.  All taught by Lanky. The guy has done an amazing job teaching me.  I can't thank him enough.  All 3 ways work and work exceptionally well, provided you have goals and stick with them each session.  It doesn't make sense to run it into the ground to see when it might lose.

Now, in the past 4 weeks in my preparation for real play at a casino, I personally ran the 3 variations of Ronjo's groups on over 10,000 spins.  I would not consider my testing to be scientific by any stretch.  I took the spins from 3 sources: (1) Spielbank Weisbaden, (2) Auto Roulette on DublinBet, and (3) Platinum Play software online.  I also took 500 spins from the airball machine at the Mohegan Sun, which has been previously posted.  I used the same numbers with all 3 variations to determine which worked best, and it turned out it didn't matter which one I used, they all provided the results desired.

The most units I was down at any given point was 2236, but it always recovered bringing me back to even and then a win.  For the testing I didn't care about the number of units, I was more concerned with the concept of recovery and if I got into trouble how much my bank would have to be and how long would it take to recover.  Basically, I could have been down the 2000 units and made a recovery with about 200 spins.  The 200 spins includes the number of spins that got me down to the 2000 loss.  And, this only happened once.  The majority of the losses were in the less than 100 unit range, then recovered quickly.  At no time did it provide me with an unrecoverable situation, either by time or bank.  My goal is to make 2% of a bank of $5K per session.

So, yesterday, I used one of the variations of the 3 groups and got up to 70 units ($1 units) and took off.  There were no losses.  Took me about 20 minutes.

Today it was so crowded I could not sit and play, but because of the 18 previous spins at one of the tables, I used a different variation with higher stakes and quickly won 4 units ($25 units) and left after about 10 minutes.  Again, no losses.

I'm am planning on visiting often and I will be glad post my findings here should anyone be interested.

Unquestionably success lies within each of us, individually.  I am hoping 2009 will provide me with that long term success using a more sound and calm personal approach.

kompressor

do you stick to the progression all the way (last 3 divide by 2) or there's a moment that the recovery is impossible so you start over ??

why you go from 1$ to 25$ units ??

Wally Gator

For the testing I stayed with the normal progression.  I wanted to see when I could expect it to fail, but it didn't.  I'm sure it will at some point.

As for the $1 to $25 units, it's all a personal decision.  The casino was so crowded and smoke so bad I knew I was not going to be staying, so I decided for either quick hits or if it lost, I would have waited for a seat and played with smaller units for the recovery.

The thing I like the most about this 3 group strategy is that there are many, many variations you can employ.

I am also learning some VB and bias strategies, which seems to fall in line with some of the groups you can set up using sectors on the wheel.  I'm thinking combining the two may make sense.

Thanks for your note.  Hope that helps.

Lanky

Wally.

Good Posts Mate.

It Gives the whole Forum a lift when there is a winner from a Member of ours over the Casino.

Well done mate.

Good job Cobber You adapted to the conditions available to You at The time and came out a Winner.

Lanky.


Ronjo

Quote from: Wally Gator on January 04, 2009, 02:33:30 AM
The thing I like the most about this 3 group strategy is that there are many, many variations you can employ.

I am also learning some VB and bias strategies, which seems to fall in line with some of the groups you can set up using sectors on the wheel.  I'm thinking combining the two may make sense.

Thanks for your note.  Hope that helps.

Hi Wally,
Its great that you are using a deciplined way of playing the three groups,I will help you along with a three group of 12# sections on the wheel,copy a few copies of the diagram below and send me three spins from a real wheel that you have played in the casino and I will guide you along and we can run your records through,and treat it like a trip to the casino together,anybody else is welcome to come along as well.

Regards,
Ronjo.

(nolinks://imageshack.us)

Wally here is the 00 version for you,as you can see the layout is identical to the single 0, the only difference is there is another pocket for the casinos advantage.I dont look at the numbers as numbers but a section on the wheel, its not about numbers,its about predicting where the ball will land.

(nolinks://imageshack.us)

Lets play both wheels if someone can suggest who should supply the spins to make this interesting as we go along.

Regards,
Ronjo.



Wally Gator

Ronjo,

Thanks very kindly.  No question your strategy provides for consistent play.

I would love to do this with you, but it appears your graphic is based on the single 0 wheel.  I can only play double 00 wheels, as I'm in the US.  Do you have the graphic for that?

Lanky showed me how to use sectors using 13 number groups on the 00 wheel.  Obviously this does not provide for the same play as with a single 0 wheel.

Your thoughts, please.
(p.s. there is one single 0 wheel that I know of where I play, but the minimum bet anywhere on the table is $50 bucks .... right now too steep for my bank)

Best, Wally

TwoCatSam

Wally

Had no idea you were a fellow American.  Or are you an expatriate?  Anyway, have you considered opening an account at Bella Vegas?  I truly think they are good and they have a fifty-cent minimum per number.

Now, here's the interesting thing.  You can't see the real wheel unless you deposit, but you can deposit only $20 and you don't have to bet.  You can just monitor the results.

I would very much like to see Ronjo's explanation and I would be happy to supply numbers from two years ago from a real wheel.

Sam

Wally Gator

Sam,

I'm US born and bred.  But, have lived all over the world .... 10 years in Europe (Germany and Italy).  Liked playing there.

Please look for a PM I sent you about Bella Vegas.

And, Ronjo was just in a chat with me and said he would post a graphic for the 00 wheel and we can go from there.  I'm very excited about that.

Best, Wally

Mogwai

A big hello to everybody and especially Ronjo  [smiley=vrolijk_26.gif]

I have been following this forum for quite a while without registering, trying out various systems people post. Lately I studied Ronjo's section and especially the 3 group play with Lanky's and Wally's suggestions, I have not paid much attention to Ronjo's section posts previously  :-[

I have been testing the last days several sessions using Spielbank numbers, I picked a specific table and I play the numbers recorded there (I think they are from 2005) like I would go there and play everyday one session.

The 3 Groups Method of Ronjo seems to be doing very well, up to now I have tested 42 sessions (6 weeks worth of playing that is) and it seems to win about 7 out of 10 sessions, bringing me up to about 1500 units in profit. I think this has worked better than anything else I have tried testing on this forum, and I think it really can provide some profit in combination with discipline when playing.

I play the due group for 4 spins and if that fails, I change to the dominant group like described...The only variation I use sometimes is when I get something like this:

G3
G3
G2 here G1 is due
G3 bet 1 lost
G3 bet 2 lost
G3 bet 3 lost
G2 bet 4 lost

So I have to change in the dominant group that is G3, but many time I try out playing G2 as it seems to "awake" too, as G3 has hit a lot in the last spins. I have noticed this works good on several occasions, not always of course  ;)

I think a divisor plan like the one Lanky has described in the forum could be very helpful too, but I have not elaborated on this yet (need to understand it better) and how to apply it.

I would like to thank Ronjo for giving us this method and I am looking forward to reading anything more he will post.

Since a 00 wheel will be used I hope these stuff can be also be applied to single 0 wheels...

My Best Regards  :)

TwoCatSam

Welcome, Mogwai

Your name sounds like something out of Kipling!

Sam

Ronjo

Hi Mogwai,

Welcome glad to help,Lanky and myself used this method in a challenge on the "RR' forum and kicked some serious butt with the 3 group system,we made a tidy profit.

Regards,
Ronjo.

Mogwai

Quote from: TwoCatSam on January 08, 2009, 05:23:07 PM
Welcome, Mogwai

Your name sounds like something out of Kipling!

Sam

Thanks TCS

Gizmo you see in my avatar from the movie Gremlins is a Mogwai. It is also the name of a band I like.

Mogwai

Quote from: Ronjo on January 08, 2009, 06:47:00 PM
Hi Mogwai,

Welcome glad to help,Lanky and myself used this method in a challenge on the "RR' forum and kicked some serious butt with the 3 group system,we made a tidy profit.

Regards,
Ronjo.

Thank you Ronjo, I am waiting eagerly to read more about the way the 3 Groups can be used!

Wally Gator

Ronjo,

Thanks so much.  I would love to provide the spins for the 00 wheel.  I've got about 4,500 current (within the last 90 days) spins from an airball machine at a US casino.

How many do you want at a time?  I am assuming this is not some kind of a challenge, but rather how you would have played these particular numbers, as they are real numbers from a real wheel at a real casino.  We're using this in an educational format.  Is that correct?

Here are the 1st 36 spins:

7
17
10
29
29
8
00
35
8
7
21
26
12
14
27
36
0
36
14
2
8
33
10
8
12
17
19
0
19
8
7
16
17
28
0
32

Wally Gator

Mogwai,

As per the highlighted text it appears that it failed 3 times for you.  Can you please tell me how far you went in the progressions?  Thanks, Wally

Quote from: Mogwai on January 08, 2009, 02:50:17 PM
The 3 Groups Method of Ronjo seems to be doing very well, up to now I have tested 42 sessions (6 weeks worth of playing that is) and it seems to win about 7 out of 10 sessions, bringing me up to about 1500 units in profit. I think this has worked better than anything else I have tried testing on this forum, and I think it really can provide some profit in combination with discipline when playing.

Wally Gator

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