The new guy sais hello and needs some help :)

[Jakkalsdraai]

haai Trylobit! Kannie kla nie ou maat. Ons het lanklaas gepraat. Hoop dit gaan goed!.

Hi Jerek, yes I was not referring to TNT or any specific system. Just that to my way of thinking that testing for 100K spins, or 1 million spins or 10 million spins is crazy and has no real world land based merit. Guys like Shorty and co who first of all do not believe in systems at all, should know that as they point out, roulette is random. That means effectively 1234567 can appear in that order 20 times in a row. Which could potentially sink you because you might be on high numbers.

Also you might program a system put it in to RX and run it for 100K spins and have a profit at the end. The problem is what happened inbetween. How many "mini-games" happened within the 100K spins. You might be 10k down in chips on spin 33 and on spin 2000 you might be 20K up, after 60 k spins you might be 2000 units down and after 100k spins you might very well be 200units up. But what after 110k spins? You could be 1000 units down again. Does this means it failed now? What if we continued and after 200k spins we are back up again? What does this tell us? This tells me that it is pretty useless info. When I go play I will play say 300 spins for the day (and that is on rapid roulette) So what i would want is  a system that we play under certain conditions.Triggers if you like. Stop-loss and a Win limit. If i can walk out with my win limit after 50 spins, great then I leave.

I believe that we are our own worst enemies when it comes to roulette......greed is such a b***h.

Cheers
Jakk

P.S. Shorty, not taking a stab at you, just my opinion.

[pins]

the words sometimes i lose. so when you walk into the casino you do not know when you are going to win or lose. that rules out playing for high stakes.  and if you lose once. your next visit might have the same result.

[xman1970]

the words sometimes I lose. so when you walk into the casino you do not know when you are going to win or lose. that rules out playing for high stakes.  and if you lose once. your next visit might have the same result.

Hi Pins 

Nobody knows for sure if they are going to win or lose Right?

2 losses in 2 visits isn't the end of the world providing you have a large enough "lifetime" bankroll say 25 sessions as least...

That way it doesn't matter if your playing with $1 or $25 it's all relative.....  

[trylobit]

Hi Jakk!
I don't know what "lanklaas" mean... But I understood that you're doing good:)

About what you said that "roulette is random", it is, although it goes with the Laws of Math, as everything in this world... But I don't want to go any deeper in numeronomy in this topic

BTW It's crazy how this topic developed!

br
trylobit

[Shorty]

This thread has actually been quite constructive for once instead of the usual mud slinging, I will reply when I get home tonight.

[Shorty]

Okay I'll explain why I would have to see a system go through 100k placed bets before I would consider it a winner.

When I first got RX I mucked around with it while I had nothing to do. And I ended up placing over 11000 bets (with flat betting) before I actually went back down to 0. And all I was doing was selecting 1 single number randomly and playing it for 36 spins, then changing numbers every 36 spin cycle. That was in the green for over 11k spins, playing every single one.

So it is very possible that you can get lucky for a huge amount of time. Imagine if I used a progression? How far ahead would I have been during the test before getting smashed downwards?

So you see, even a joke system like that can win for a decent amount of bets even flat betting. I definitely believe that you guys win, and have won more than you lost, but it doesn't make the system a winner.

[2nd12forlife]

I dont know why people care if whoever only counts it as a good system if it goes over 100,000 spins.  WHO CARES.  If i have the holy grail and im making a crap tone of money, i dont care if anyone believes me.

[Sealine]

Hello mate,

Yes shorty is right. The Tera TNT is no holy grail,I have said this repeatedly many times to warn others about the dangers of the system. It loses just like any other system and you require a big bankroll to play this and balls of steel as it can go high on progressions when you hit a string of bad results. However,it is a decent system with merit. If you ask me,Roulette can be beaten,I am pretty sure about this.

Using systems coupled with strict and proper money management,ultimately every system will lose. Good system players accept losses as part and parcel of it,they do not go chasing their losses.

Roulette physics,VB,biased wheels,Dealer Signature are professional methods use by advantage players

You are so right about this

Even the holy grail needs to lose sometimes. .

[Proofreaders2000]

Hello Sealine. Good to have new members. 

First off, be aware of the casino, online and land-based.  Are they honest? Do they manipulate their wheels to their benefit?  RNG's are all dangerous and some "live" wheels online are motion picture RNGs.  Be careful.

As for the Holy Grail, seek an expert.  VLS has several to learn from.  Winkel and Mr. Chips back their systems with science.  VLS, Lucky Strike and Lanky have years of success under their belts.  Kon-Fu-Sed is the mathematician-at-large.
If you're into alternate science (numerology) there's Clothdog and Gamlet.

[trylobit]

(...) some "live" wheels online are motion picture RNGs (...)

Can you name any?

[Proofreaders2000]

The Microgaming Live Wheel I strongly believe is a motion picture RNG because you don't consistently hit an uncovered number with 32/36 numbers covered consecutively, regardless of who's spinning.

There have even been reports of internet connection problems with Dublinbet in which bettors lost money with a large progression or were not paid for a winning number because of "connection problems" while betting.

[WannaWin]

I call convenient connection problems. They are always in favor of the casino. Why is always the player who has to lose? Why never leaves: connection problem, the casino read a number which the player won and paid for by a number not bet?

Why always error has to be player bets and the casino is not paying because connection problems?

WannaWin

[Shorty]

Is there a lesson to be learned here?

Don't use progressions.

[trylobit]

@ Shorty

I agree!

[lucky_strike]

Easy comes and easy goes.
Talk about no progressions and promote flat betting sounds good.

Sealine if some one is going to use flat betting then they have to have an positive expectation.
Roulette will give you a negative expectation no matter how you turnaround numbers to become a bet selection.

If you looking for a positive expectation, an edge, then I suggest you start to learn all about bias and visual ballistics.
That is the truth.

Cheers LS

[lucky_strike]

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