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Started by djroulette, May 03, 2009, 11:55:00 AM

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Joker

thanks... well, but here is the thing...but i would say there is two different spin i see ... pete sampras spin.. yes he push the ball and come up... more flatter spin... and i see nadal.. completely brush.. ball got lots more spin.. for nadal.. i don't think there is push... i would say his very fast racket speed which comes from mainly wrist.. i don't see any push to the ball.....


djroulette

I have lots of slow motion footage on a lot of players. The thing we need to be careful of here is are we talking wrist or forearm? The massive amounts of spin come from a rapid internal rotation of the forearm with the wrist adding a very small snap. Nadal does still use the push/punch action you speak about however due to things such as his grip and swing path he does not have as big a strike zone as Sampras therefore making it appear he does not push through however he does as far as his grip allows him to and uses masses of racket head speed from the internal pronation of the forearm across the ball.

This is just the way how i see it however everybody has there different views

Joker

Yes that's what everybody will say about top spin.. "no wrist involve"  once i took lesson from Zack Fleishaman who has reached top 100 said he just close the racket fast with wrist.....

so your point of view is wrist isn't major part of top spin right? have you tried hit the ball without really betting the wrist? i tried and i can't get the racket head speed to go... you should try it.. hit forehand without breaking the wrist.. just maintain the angle of wrist brush up without using wrist.. it is actually hard to put more spin with it...

and also you said it is a lot to do with forearm right?  but don't you think forearm rotation comes from wrist action? if you block the wrist then forearm can only roate with elbor movement... 

okay this is another body movement you should try...

try winshield wiper movement without racket.. so elbor is the center.. and move right hand from 3 oclock position to 9 ocklock postion...
1) do this without moving the wrist... how fast you can do
2) do this using wrist movement only... see which one goes fast....


djroulette

I agree with you that wrist is involved. As someone who when they were playing hit with heavy spin and grinded from the back i will vouch for that. What i will say is though the level of wrist action you are talking about is correct and i think once you reach a certain level the wrist is heavily involved. Due to their great control at contact they can do this massive movement with their wrist and still hit the ball with great control on the other hand i would not coach this someone unless they had the right level of control at the contact which is one reason i dont agree with people being taught to use the wrist as  now we have lots of players who can generate high levels of speed but have no control at the point of contact. Also i think the wrist is in the same predicament as all the other body parts as yes it does generate speed and it can move quickly however in order for it to do that it needs the build up work through the chain like other body parts do. that is my point of view.

i know that i use a lot of wrist work with my forehand however i find that when playing if i use a good rotation and pronation i am goig to acheive great racket head speed.

im enjoying this discussion very much. lets keep going with it..

many thanks

dj

Joker

Great thanks Dj.. well, i am totally not arguing with you just getting information... and same here is great to share the information.. belive me. tennis swing isn't simple as what we think.. especially top spin involves... nadal, djorkovic , federer , del potro... all hit differently.. i mean not only the take back but when they contact through the ball is different... having all said that.. i actually don't teach top spin anymore... i used to love top spin and i only taught top spin.. but not anymore... i like more though the ball much better it is much more simple and easier to generate the pace.. when i play the match man.. my top spin kills my game.. i just put too much spin and ball is not going anywhere... and now i have this very heavy western grip it is also hard for me to though the ball... i believe how you start is such a key.... i like robert landsorp teaching method. ... though the ball with eastern grip because nothing can go wrong.. pete sampras learn from him and he give so much credit to his teaching.. and he said he will send his kids to him if he is still around...

I really like how Kimiko Date plays tennis.. don't you know her or not.. you should see her on Youtube.. just so simple but gets the job done.. similar to connors.. takes the ball early and though the ball.... i really believe that one of the reason why nadal can win a lot of match is because of cource is great player but i think so many players nowadays hit too much topspin... so no body can beat him from the baseline.. those people who can beat him are those who can through the ball more... like Blake, djorkovic, Del Potro.... i won't include federer for it.. he is more spinny shots...  so if sampras, becker, i would say peter koda,  they have chance to beat nadal not clay though.. but fast court... i would say that's why spanish player can do well on hard court.. due to many player uses spinny shots...

oh by the way.. i have work with these top coach in US... and they believe that there is no wrist involve when you hit.... everybody is different....

but one thing i know for sure...... follow through the ball nothing can go wrong.. like you watch guys backhand they follow through the ball very well....

thanks

djroulette

Ok guys here is my update for this week just to show you what i have been doing betting wise.

20/10/09

Grigor Dimitrov vs Jarkko Nieminen £150 Win    Grigor Dimitrov (To Win Match)    2.75  lost £150

day end bankroll £1,487 profit £1,487

21/10/09

Nikolay Davydenko vs Marat Safin  £100 Win    Marat Safin (To Win Match)    3.1 profit £210

Juan Carlos Ferrero vs Marcos Baghdatis £200 Win    Marcos Baghdatis (To Win Match)   2.2  profit £240

Day end bankroll £1,937

22/10/09

Feliciano Lopez vs Olivier Rochus £100 Win    Olivier Rochus (To Win Match)    3 profit £200

Illya Marchenko vs Andrey Golubev £300 Win    Andrey Golubev (To Win Match)    1.56 loss £300

Day end bankroll £1,837

23/10/09

Sergiy Stakhovsky vs Mikhail Youzhny £500 Win    Mikhail Youzhny (To Win Match)    1.25     profit £125

Robin Soderling vs Guillermo Garcia Lopez £100 Win    Guillermo Garcia-Lopez (To Win Match)    11 loss £100

Day end bankroll £1,862

24/10/09

Thomaz Bellucci vs Olivier Rochus £200 Win    Olivier Rochus (To Win Match)    1.72     profit £144

Day end bankroll £2,006

25/10/09

Janko Tipsarevic vs Mikhail Youzhny £300 Win    Mikhail Youzhny (To Win Match)    1.5 profit £150

Marcos Baghdatis vs Olivier Rochus £500 Win    Marcos Baghdatis (To Win Match)    1.4 £200

Day end bankroll £2,356 profit £2,356

not a bad week total profit for this week was £719 so not to bad.

this coming week i am hoping for a lot of action as 4 tournaments this week.

many thanks

dj




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