Is This the Holy Grail, or a Huge Waste of Time System - Help!

Moreof · May 17, 2009, 01:59:55 PM

2. 5k profit after 1 mill spins :-P and thats with a 5k BR. you "beat" roulette in terms of your up after an awful long time. So congrats on that, BUT is it practical? that is what you need to ask yourself

Mr J · May 17, 2009, 02:04:02 PM

Ok, help me with this....+$7K in one million spins? According to the graph. Correct? Ken

RouletteBR · May 17, 2009, 02:04:36 PM

I don't imagine what is the principle behind this, but, maybe with a diferent approach on Money Management is possible to raise the profits a little bit. I'm also skeptical about if the casino will allow you logged in 24/7. . .

celiza427 · May 17, 2009, 02:15:49 PM

Quote from: Mr J on May 17, 2009, 02:04:02 PM
Ok, help me with this....+$7K in one million spins? According to the graph. Correct? Ken

No, I believe he started with a $5000 BR and is now up $2500.

rjeaton1 · May 17, 2009, 02:24:02 PM

Quote from: RouletteBR on May 17, 2009, 02:04:36 PM
I don't imagine what is the principle behind this, but, maybe with a diferent approach on Money Management is possible to raise the profits a little bit. I'm also skeptical about if the casino will allow you logged in 24/7. . .

Thanks for the input! (I love moving towards a solution instead of looking for a problem). I am currently in the process of making two changes. They allow for a significantly smaller BR (the test I'm running currently started at 500 units, I'm at spin 7,000 and my BR is 780 units, and the lowest they were at any given point was 464.)

I will let you all know soon enough if it works out long term.

Innovcon · May 17, 2009, 02:28:09 PM

Just a quick question. . .

If you code this into a bot you will need to make bets on those spins that the method ignores. Simply to 'move the wheel' along. In your testing are you accounting for those -EV bets required to 'move the wheel'?

Are the results posted a true 100% representation of the systems expected results as would have to be played with a bot?

-SC

Mr J · May 17, 2009, 02:36:04 PM

"No, I believe he started with a $5000 BR and is now up $2500." --- Well thats even worse. I'll stay out of it. Have fun. Ken

rjeaton1 · May 17, 2009, 02:37:42 PM

Quote from: Innovcon on May 17, 2009, 02:28:09 PM
Just a quick question. . .

If you code this into a bot you will need to make bets on those spins that the method ignores. Simply to 'move the wheel' along. In your testing are you accounting for those -EV bets required to 'move the wheel'?

Are the results posted a true 100% representation of the systems expected results as would have to be played with a bot?

-SC

Excellent point Innovcon!! In fact I meant to ask this question before and I completely forgot. It does not take that into account. What I have to do here in the us is place a unit on red and black (this would cause these results I've shown you to show a loss, not a profit because zero shows up more often than a win).

So my question to you guys is, do you know of any online casino that allows for spinning the wheel while still having the same speed as the casinos I mentioned?

rjeaton1 · May 17, 2009, 02:45:47 PM

While it is sometimes discouraging to have so many people shoot things down, it is what drives me to look for better results (so thanks guys!).

Here is the absolute best thing I have ever come up with. It's the same as before but I have made a few adjustments. If this isn't enough for the people who said what I've done isn't a waste of time, then I don't know what is. Please offer feedback (it helps whether it's positive or negative):

Starting BR - 500 units
Current BR - 1,627 units (1,127 unit profit)
Spins - 30,000
Lost Sessions - 0
Sessions Played - (Right Around 100)
Lowest BR - 464
Largest Drawdown - 320 units

Picture Below, spins still going

celiza427 · May 17, 2009, 02:50:08 PM

^^

Wow, even better. Dying to know how you tweaked the Perfect Bal System. All in due time I suppose.

I like the smaller bankroll, and even if your biggest draw down was on your first session, it wouldn't have wiped you out. Nice!

Innovcon · May 17, 2009, 02:54:49 PM

Hers what I would do. Keep in mind I have been botting for a few years and have some level of experience with this type of thing.

I would first prove the method viable. I leave that to you. If you believe the method as it stand now will show a long term profit so be it.

Then I would have a bot created for a non-zero wheel. Bet voyager I think has one. I also think they are 'bot-friendly' or at least not 'bot-haters'. This would eliminate the cost of the non betting spins required.

So at this point you have a bot that wins long term on an internet casino that you know is reliable. Only problem is you cant play there because you are a US resident. Simply enough. . . take on partners.

Find at least 3 people willing to create and fund an account on Bet Voyager. You can then long on 8 HRS a day per account and play a full 24 HR schedule. You will need to arrange a sharing of profits but that can all be worked out. You can then scale this as much as you want. Six accounts. . . Nine accounts. . . Two computers. . . . so on.

At some point you will run the well dry. Bet Voyager will pull the plug in some fashion eventually. But that is a problem for another day.

**It is a known fact that you can not create and fund an account on a non-US casino if you live in the US. You can however play from the US on an account created and funded from a non-US address. **

In other words if someone has an account set up you can go on and play with that account from the US. They do this to allow people who travel access to there casinos at all times.

hope this helps a little and gets you thinking.

-SC

**I have done this exact same thing with my poker bot. I have partners who have funded accounts on PartyPoker which is a non-US site. I then log onto there accounts and run my bot from my home in the US. Once a week they transfer me 50% of our net winnings thru PayPal. Has worked out very well. **

boatran8 · May 17, 2009, 02:57:35 PM

Impressive!!! Very nice results RJ...

Keep going!!

If you need any help for testing sthing, do not hesitate.

Cheers

boatran8 · May 17, 2009, 03:03:07 PM

Quote from: Innovcon on May 17, 2009, 02:54:49 PM

Then I would have a bot created for a non-zero wheel. Bet voyager I think has one. I also think they are 'bot-friendly' or at least not 'bot-haters'. This would eliminate the cost of the non betting spins required.

So at this point you have a bot that wins long term on an internet casino that you know is reliable. Only problem is you cant play there because you are a US resident. Simply enough. . . take on partners.

Totally agree with that. If it can help, I already have an account on betvoyager. Their non-zero wheel is great, and more of that there is a hardware randomness for generating the numbers.

The only matter I can see is that they have set up an house fee (10% when you want to withdraw the funds).

lucky_strike · May 17, 2009, 04:47:06 PM

I do this in a polite way I will let you tell if you are going to post what you are doing, the method or I have to move this topic.

This is the system libary where we post complete systems or bets selection to use as a method.

LS

rjeaton1 · May 17, 2009, 05:38:19 PM

Quote from: Lucky Strike on May 17, 2009, 04:47:06 PM

I do this in a polite way I will let you tell if you are going to post what you are doing, the method or I have to move this topic.

This is the system libary where we post complete systems or bets selection to use as a method.

LS

I apologize for that Lucky, I shouldn't have posted this here. It won't happen again, I can assure you. Feel free to move this topic to the appropriate area.

rjeaton1 · May 17, 2009, 05:38:19 PM

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