Why so quick to ban?

[akiraa]

Why is it that so many are now being banned before they have even done anything wrong? It seems that now to have your account deleted all you have to do is have an ip close to other previous so called 'trouble makers'.

For what its worth (not that I believe that this thread will be allowed to stay) I believe that the user chez88 was banned for having an interest in Dyksexlics methods as he sent me a pm asking me about them - suffice to say I didn't get a chance to respond to him before he was banned for apparently no reason.

Can I just say now that if anyone is interested in studying d's methods further as I am if they want to get in touch with me please email me at akiraa1979@hotmail.com - there are still some of us who believe that studying these methods can lead to some very good things - even if the powers that be at this forum clearly do not.

Cheers!

Akiraa

[lucky_strike]

Why is it that so many are now being banned before they have even done anything wrong?

They have done some-thing wrong that are aginst forum policy.
Well why should they send you an email to learn about hes method.
You can make a post here.

Just have to ask because I don't like a hidden agenda if there is one.
I could read that he wanted to sell one of hes methods.

Now you want to get in contact with other members but not use the forum for it and make a post about it.
Then it sounds a warning bell and I ask my self if we got a puppet here.

LS

[akiraa]

They have done some-thing wrong that are aginst forum policy.
Well why should they send you an email to learn about hes method.
You can make a post here.

Just have to ask because I don't like a hidden agenda if there is one.
I could read that he wanted to sell one of hes methods.

Now you want to get in contact with other members but not use the forum for it and make a post about it.
Then it sounds a warning bell and I ask my self if we got a puppet here.

LS

No hidden agenda from my end - I would like nothing more than to openly discuss the methods without being silenced or jumped upon from people who say that this is BS. Unfortunately, this does not seem to be possible recently in here - I mean I had written up a lengthy reply to Chez but when I hit send I had found that he was ' no longer a member' so i'm sure you can see why I might be a little hesitant to discuss the ideas in here.

[Mr Chips]

akirra,
 
Someone who produced over 40 pages of nonsense and you can't say anyone was the wiser, at the end of it. It was absolute garbage.
 
No system, no results, nothing. He or she was seeing how far he or she could take in the gullible, before the people who actually play roulette with
several years experience confronted him or her, then he or she got very abusive. Such people are not wanted on this forum. It's not that difficult
to spot a trouble maker.
 
Mr Chips

[lucky_strike]

No hidden agenda from my end - I would like nothing more than to openly discuss the methods without being silenced or jumped upon from people who say that this is BS.

You are Thread OWNER when you make one then you can split and remove posts you don't think is okay.
Try it out you might like it.

LS

[VLSroulette]

Akiraa,

When a user makes above 80% disruptive posts from day 1, we get complains.

He is too much linked to "that other poster" and we know that means trouble.

Look, while we accept there may be random coincidences in the world, two IP's from the same server both trying to disrupt... too similar mate, we can't pass those unnoticed.

It is my understanding someone who makes more than 80% disruptive posts, or bad-meaning ones with the intent to provoke/insult can be safely labelled a disruptive user; here we don't want those. We want to move on from the recent events which happened.

Be certain no user who makes fair use of our forum will be banned. If there are no bad-meaning posts, why should someone only using the forum in a good-meaning fashion be removed? He/She who uses the forum in a good manner won't be ever banned. No complains about him/her = no ban.

Any case, bad users know exactly what they are doing, nobody insults others and makes rogue posts because his hands typed by themselves. They know, so disruptive users shouldn't be surprised if their accounts are removed.

It isn't too much to ask here; simply asking to register in good faith and use the forum in good standards, without hidden agendas nor bad-meaning intentions, and above all, helping us to keep the peace.

No hidden agenda from my end

It is good to know you aren't coming with bad intentions or agendas mate, this is appreciated.

I would like nothing more than to openly discuss the methods without being silenced

As long as you don't incur in abuse to others, no complains from other users will be raised, and hence no need for moderators to remove anything.

It is really simple, and it is the expected, we protect fair users, we remove disruptive users.

-  or jumped upon from people who say that this is BS

As a thread owner, you are the one who chooses what stays and what is removed from your thread. Now each thread owner becomes the first line of defense against abusers. Feel free to stand for your threads if anyone tries to abuse it.



Thanks for being around as a productive poster Akiraa.

Best regards,
Victor

[akiraa]

akirra,
 
Someone who produced over 40 pages of nonsense and you can't say anyone was the wiser, at the end of it. It was absolute garbage.
 
No system, no results, nothing. He or she was seeing how far he or she could take in the gullible, before the people who actually play roulette with
several years experience confronted him or her, then he or she got very abusive. Such people are not wanted on this forum. It's not that difficult
to spot a trouble maker.
 
Mr Chips

Hey mr chips - thats the thing though - something which may seem like garbage and nonsense to you might, in fact, seem very useful to someone else (like me).

Granted there was no 'great reveal' at the end but who can say there may not have been more clues to help individuals figure this out if the thread was left only to the study of the system rather than 'experts' telling how it was rubbish and could never work. I have no idea about d's motivation for coming on here but something I do wonder is though - before this who had ever heard of the pigeonhole principle and how it relates to roulette? This to me is the first constant in the chaotic randomness of roulette - the big problem being how do we utilise this whilst staying within the table limits and not exploding our bankroll?

It seems to me that if someone who was already a regular on here had posted about the pigeonhole principle then we would be having a much more productive debate on the subject rather than looking for hidden agendas.

Cheers

Akiraa

[Herb]

Akirra,

I'm glad that you don't have a hidden agenda.

It's the leading on that gets everyone so mad.  People don't want to read endless empty testimonials about how smart the system creator feels he is.

It doesn't matter whether the system works or not, It's fine to post it.  People want to read other people's ideas without the bs.  Even dumb ideas are welcome.

The key for a system poster is not to cross certain lines:

1. Don't lead people on with wild claims. 
2. Don't insult people when they ask you questions.
3. Don't claim that you have the only grail and fly off the handle when people ask you legit questions.
4. Don't brag about how you've made millions and recently bought a new car with your new holy grail.
5. Don't claim to be smarter than Einstein, etc.
6. One big bad thing that you don't want to do is play the hints game.  If you claim that you have left hints in your avatar or play the hints game, you will be destroyed in short order.   


Good Luck,

-Herb

[lucky_strike]

Well first you can not try to defend some one that in the end of 40 pages try to make a sell and post hes email.
I can understand some things is good for you and old news for some one else.

Well i hope you can get past the past and become a productive member.
My suggestion is that you make a post about what you find interesting and i am sure there will be notice by other members.

There you can exchange experiences and find new ideas or improve old ones.

LS

[akiraa]

As a thread owner, you are the one who chooses what stays and what is removed from your thread. Now each thread owner becomes the first line of defense against abusers. Feel free to stand for your threads if anyone tries to abuse it.


Hey Victor - whilst I do understand that this has been implemented with the best intentions this goes against pretty much everything I am trying to stand against here ie censorship and banning. I would never delete any post from any thread as I see this as a blow against free speech.

The main thing I am trying to achieve here is a change in attitude of some of the 'old school' members who won't give a new theory a chance as they have seen it all before - if they don't believe something will work let them post why they think that then move on! No need for deleting posts!

Cheers!

Akiraa

[VLSroulette]

It's not that difficult to spot a trouble maker.   Mr Chips

This is very true, "by the fruit you know the tree"; those who register here to disrupt can't stand NOT showing their true intentions...

It seems to me that if someone who was already a regular on here had posted about the pigeonhole principle then we would be having a much more productive debate on the subject rather than looking for hidden agendas.

Akiraa, feel free to bring a topic about the pigeonhole principle at the "roulette & gambling framework" section.

I want to voice my own opinions about this principle.

It is my understanding for he pigeonhole principle to be extrapolated to roulette correctly, we need a drawer with 36 holes and the certainty there will be 37 unique numbers spun.

We have neither of them.

We measure standard deviations based on cycles of 37 spins, this is our REAL measuring unit.

The REAL/existent roulette cycle (Dirichlet's box/drawer) is 37 spins long, and there are 37 numbers, so there really isn't any chance for the pigeonhole principle to "kick in" at its actual sense where you need to have a shorter amount of cycle than items to fill it.

There are enough numbers to fill the drawner as the drawer has the same number of holes (37 spins = 1 full cycle, enough to hold roulette's 37 numbers without a repeat).

Of course, you can MAKE your own non-real measuring unit (cycle of 38 spins), where 1 number must repeat, but problem is you would have to use 37 numbers and while the repeat does kick in, you have covered 37 numbers and have been paid 36 units, hence, the embedded payout in the real game makes it a loss.

Also, you could fake larger "boxes" I.e. a drawer with 50 spaces to fill... but then the pigeonhole principle wouldn't be making its appearance in the pure sense, but a repeat would be confined to pure chance as there are enough "holes" to fill in all the pigeons (numbers).

Anyway perhaps there is a way to make this random distribution event pay, not in the pure sense of the pigeonhole principle (less holes in the drawer than items) but in the random sense (while there are enough holes to fill all items, the accidental distribution of them will make some holes be void and some get two or more pigeons -numbers- by chance).

Perhaps we need to study this not as a pure pigeonhole principle, but better in the form of a gaussian-like distribution.

Regards,
Victor

[akiraa]

Anyway perhaps there is a way to make this random distribution event pay, not in the pure sense of the pigeonhole principle (less holes in the drawer than items) but in the random sense (while there are enough holes to fill all items, the accidental distribution of them will make some holes be void and some get two or more pigeons -numbers- by chance).

I believe this 'accidental distribution' is what d was alluding to before he was banned. Regardless what you thought of his donation to charity post (i personally thought it was a joke - surely he never expected anyone to fall for it?) he definitely had some very interesting points/clues which could have been expanded upon had he been given the freedom to do so.

I'm not one for crying over spilt milk but it has left me very frustrated that we were unable to get any more insights into his methods (something which he said he would do before he was banned - for those that were interested).

Cheers!

Akiraa

[Herb]

If you want insight into such a method, then I can discuss it with you.

Tell me what you would like to know?

[Mr Chips]

akiraa,
 
Take notice of the six points in Herb's post he is absolutely correct ( I have actually agreed with Herb   )
 
Mr Chips

[Jakkalsdraai]

  Herb Come on. You are not interested in stupid system posts. You know that allso-called systems fail. And you know what.....you are right. i agree no system can be the grail. I'm only saying this cause I have seen proof........maybe of something else.

cheers

jakk

[Jakkalsdraai]

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