hello my lovely friends!!!
I can see that from the day I left the forum ,a lot of sick scams cAME around!!!
and also not good ideas left.....
u know that I have posted here some good systems.....u have test them and u seen that they were good!(but as always they weren t the HG)
a lot of members when I 1st joined that forum posted that I gave this forum new inspiration and fresh air!(thank u so much..I am tryng to do my best!)
BUT 1 month ,me and my very good FRIEND-ROULETTE PARTNER SKRIZYwe were exploring and engineering a system 24/7,that in the end
showed us sooooooooooooo great resaults!(it needed it a hell lots of tesstings and 4 times engineering!!!!!!!!!!!in order to use more sefety and smaller br)
RESAULTS:
400 seasons won 4.000 chips
only 1 season lost(the 401 season)and we lost 500 chips...
SO WE LEFT WITH BR 3.500 chips!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(that meens that before lose we had made up 8 times!!!!out starting br!!!!
if this is not the HG?????then what is it??????
so the average profit is 1.2 chips per spin
and the anerage season profit is 18chips!
the win rate is something like 99.6 %and it is soooo enough to be always up even when u will lose!!!
we won 8 times our br!!!!
it is so rare to lose(0.4%)that even if we had lost 7 times!!!!we would still be up BR+ 500 chips !!!!
we spoke togeather today and we agreed to expose it...
we like this forum so much that it was so stressfull to know such a system and keep it to our selfs...
as always I and skrizzy we don need money,or we don t do puzzles!!!lol
I just need to see if u are all interested.....
APPLY TO THIS QUESTION AND we WILL EMEDIATELY POST THE HOLE SYSTEM IN THE NEXT POST!!!!!!!!
DO U WANT TO EXPOSE IT????
ps.this system is based on logic and events...and not luck and hugeeeeeee progrations!!!!!
special thanks to matijjono(u will understand later )
Hello Mate
Do we wanna see it?? You betcha we do!
Thanks
TSK
Hello viper5,
We are always ready to learn and test new system.
Thanks & Regards
sniper
its in the full systems section,couse there us no HG SECTION ;)
and if someone has problems with my writing, i and skrizy will be here to explain
BUT AS IT HAS PROVED THE SMART ONES HERE ,UNDERSTANDS MY SYSTEMS FROM MY 1ST POSTS!
OUPS!!!!
did anyone see any system??? :nono:
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Thank you Skrizy and Viper/Viper and Skrizy
Im gonna take a look.
Sounds interesting....as usual :ok:
TSK
Thanks Viper and Skrizy.
Regards
sniper
Hello Viper and Skrizy,
On a lost, do we continue playing when we hit or do we retrack and follow the progression?
Regards
sniper
my old friend sniper ......
what do u meen on a loss??????????????
u can t lose!!!!!!! ;)
LOL
hey sniper,
the procedure is like this,
1) track for repeaters and single numbers that complete a street
2) when u get you're first number start betting it with the 0 (I always retrack last 8 numbers and see if there are triggers, then I start betting on spin 9)
3) u bet those numbers until the first win, if you are up in bankroll do a happy dance, otherwice look at you're lost chips and adjust betsize to be up or even.
4) if u come to the point where u are 200 units down split it and hunt 2 more wins with progression. our absolute stoppoint is a loss of 500 units (this happend ones. that is why we are open for debate and tweaking)
In all the test sessions and real sessions we did we never saw a session where there is no 3th repeater or a full street (during testing the absolute minimum we saw was 4 winners, that is why we only hunt 2 winner, or 3 if u do a split)
plz inform us.
Kind Regards,
Skrizy and Viper5
oHHHHHHH yes!!!!
thanks skrizy partner.....
mates i forgot to mention that we alwayssssssssssss bet the 0!!!!
but i modify it in now.....
and its complite! :dance1:
Thanks viper5, my old friend, and thanks Skrizy for the explanation. What I mean is this, we track the numbers and have 2 numbers in a street and we start betting. Another 2 numbers from a different street appears, now we bet 2 numbers. Other numbers keep appearing and we continue to bet more numbers. Finally 1 number hit and we are still at a lost. Do we retract on our first win even we are losing and start the progression on the next signal? Or do we continue betting the remaining numbers since we are still negative, and start the progression till we are positive?
Thanks & Regards
sniper
@sniper
u must continue betting the remaining numbers(i always bet all the numbers with trigers and don t leave out the winning one couse in a lot of sessons i had there double hit!)and as continueing,if other triggers come,u bet them too!
couse the less 4 wins will come!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks viper5, it means we only retrack when the bank roll increases?
Regards
sniper
yes a session is complete if the bankroll increases.
I can say 50% of the time u will win in the flat phaze, the other times u will need progression.
In worst cas scenario the session is complete if u encounter a loss of 500 units.
Thanks Skrizy for your explanation. I am very clear now and will start testing.
Regards
sniper
thats great @sniper.....
we are here to see ur posting tests resaults!!!!
take it easy....do not kill the cow!!!!LOL
just milk her to death!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
i have played this system in a real casino ...won 12 sessons and left with profit
143 chips.....played with 5 euro so 715 euros ;)
If there are any questions, just fire away.
I will now elaborate another thing. the 1 loss we encountered was not due to a 3 repeater or a complete street not hitting. It was because we had alot of spins between 1th win and second win, if this is the case the progression has time to build up. This can happen but is very rare because of the balance of the events and the way we bet. Because if the first win come early u will win flat. If first win come late, the second win will come faster and the progression doesn't have much time to grow.
I hope that people post there results and there comments.
Kind Regards,
Skrizy and Viper5
Thanks viper5,
Quotetake it easy....do not kill the cow!!!!LOL
just milk it to death!!!!!
Lol!! That's a good one.
Regards
sniper
LISTEN to something very inportant too!!!!
skrizy when he had a winer and was going for an other 1 with progration he always was leaving the winning number out of the bet!!!!
i don t do that....and i have never lost!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i think he lost couse of this!!!!!
so my advise!!!!!
never never leave a trigger out of the bet!!!!!!!couse u have in 2 reapeates...sleepings.....and 1st time hitted
I need to tell u something in order to be clear and trustfull!!!!
me and skrizy we are too nice to publish this system and u know that!!!!
but in order to keep it as more safe as we can we will leave it in this forum just 2 days!!!!!
so if u have any questions we will answer all of them and after the 2 days!!!
but the system will be deleted
I think that u all understand!!!
please do not repost it again
its four our good!!!!!
I'm going to work on a little tracking chart for this bad boy I think.
which bad boy u meen?
Quote from: viper5 on May 04, 2009, 10:27:29 AM
I need to tell u something in order to be clear and trustfull!!!!
me and skrizy we are too nice to publish this system and u know that!!!!
but in order to keep it as more safe as we can we will leave it in this forum just 2 days!!!!!
so if u have any questions we will answer all of them and after the 2 days!!!
but the system will be deleted
I think that u all understand!!!
please do not repost it again
its four our good!!!!!
With all do respect to you, this is not anything secret. I have played this way in the past the only difference is I plyed the streets with only 1 hit and numbers that hit once and unhit numbers. It is a good system though, and thank you for posting.
Hi Viper5.
Just to be clear My Friend.
Are You saying the triggers are after a number repeats you then play for that number to hit the 3rd time.
And the other trigger is the only unhit number on the street.
Correct ??
Lanky.
@ppro
my friend it s not the same system at allllllll
the secret here is not only the combination of the events...but the hard engineering also!!!!!!
u haven t understand yet what we have exposed.....
inn order to understand u must play it!!!!!!!
i ll also in the next post give u all as a gift the progration table
Quote from: RPro75 on May 04, 2009, 10:31:47 AM
I'm going to work on a little tracking chart for this bad boy I think.
Here's the tracker you looking for, it will show the last number to complete the street as well as the 2 time repeaters.
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=295
@LUNKY
yes that s right!!!!!
take the gift....
for the members that don t know how to track the triggers just read the
3repeats
fullstreetmusthit
in the full systems area
@top_man go and read again how the system is played??????
Here is a chart to help you track for this system. I did not explain the details of the system out of respect for Viper and Skrizy. Those of us who read this thread will know how to use the charts. Good luck and kudos to Viper and Skrizy!
Hi Viper5,
I think I get it,
but just to be sure could you post a 37 spin session the way you would play it,
Regards,
Davemd.
Hey dave,
give us any sample of 37 spins and i'll post when to bet and how much. This sample must be real spins ofcors.
Kind Regards,
Skrizy.
one more advice from me!!!
i start betting after spin 10!!!!
that is giving me the advantage to win more times flat(couse i don t lose so many chips)and also if i will need progration,i will have lost less chips,so safer progrations...
BUT some times i lose early wins....
make ur style!!!!!!!
milk the stinky cow!!!!hahahha
we are waiting for resaults of sessons.....please post and profits too
respected VICTOR will say his opinion soon!
Hi
Here we go again lol
Session 1 5 spins +25
Session 2 4 spins +30
Obviously good and quick sessions(real money @Dublin Bet)
Will see how a tougher session turns out.
regards
TSK
Ok,here are 37 live spins form Joyland casino 01/05/09
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5
20
29
7
31
6
31
22
4
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20
17
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kind regards,
Davemd.
lol
easyyyyyyyyyyyy season
u just win flat with the num 4couse is full street!
and befor that u bet the 31 couse is 2 repeats...
So far, 6 winning tests! The one below is test #4 which was the best of the 6 tests. These are actual numbers from the casino I play at. I varied my bets and did not use any particular progression, just increased when necessary to almost always be in profit.
Test Results
Spin Number Type Bet Unit Win Loss Net Unit Bal. Bet Layout
0 400
1 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
2 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
3 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
4 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
5 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
6 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
7 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
8 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
9 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
10 27 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
11 13 Bet 3 0 -3 -3 397 1 : 4,12,27
12 6 Bet 4 0 -4 -4 393 1 : 4,12,13,27
13 34 Bet 5 0 -5 -5 388 1 : 4,5,12,13,27
14 33 Bet 5 0 -5 -5 383 1 : 4,5,12,13,27
15 36 Bet 6 0 -6 -6 377 1 : 4,5,12,13,27,33
16 33 Bet 7 36 -7 29 406 1 : 4,5,12,13,27,33,35
17 4 Bet 7 36 -7 29 435 1 : 4,5,12,13,27,33,35
18 22 Bet 7 0 -7 -7 428 1 : 4,5,12,13,27,33,35
19 34 Bet 7 0 -7 -7 421 1 : 4,5,12,13,27,33,35
20 6 Bet 8 0 -8 -8 413 1 : 4,5,12,13,27,33,34,35
21 14 Bet 9 0 -9 -9 404 1 : 4,5,6,12,13,27,33,34,35
22 29 Bet 20 0 -20 -20 384 2 : 4,5,6,12,13,15,27,33,34,35
23 28 Bet 22 72 -22 50 434 2 : 4,5,6,12,13,15,27,28,33,34,35
24 4 Bet 33 108 -33 75 509 3 : 4,5,6,12,13,15,27,28,33,34,35
25 19 Bet 12 0 -12 -12 497 1 : 4,5,6,12,15,27,28,33,34,35
2 : 13
26 11 Bet 12 0 -12 -12 485 1 : 4,5,6,12,15,27,28,33,34,35
2 : 13
27 22 Bet 24 0 -24 -24 461 2 : 4,5,6,11,12,13,15,27,28,33,34,35
28 5 Bet 26 72 -26 46 507 2 : 4,5,6,11,12,13,15,22,27,28,33,34,35
29 20 Bet 26 0 -26 -26 481 2 : 4,5,6,11,12,13,15,22,27,28,33,34,35
30 3 Bet 28 0 -28 -28 453 2 : 4,5,6,11,12,13,15,21,22,27,28,33,34,35
31 14 Bet 28 0 -28 -28 425 2 : 4,5,6,11,12,13,15,21,22,27,28,33,34,35
32 4 Bet 45 108 -45 63 488 3 : 4,5,6,11,12,13,14,15,21,22,27,28,33,34,35
33 16 Bet 45 0 -45 -45 443 3 : 4,5,6,11,12,13,14,15,21,22,27,28,33,34,35
34 31 Bet 45 0 -45 -45 398 3 : 4,5,6,11,12,13,14,15,21,22,27,28,33,34,35
35 6 Bet 48 108 -48 60 458 3 : 4,5,6,11,12,13,14,15,21,22,27,28,32,33,34,35
36 22 Bet 48 108 -48 60 518 3 : 4,5,6,11,12,13,14,15,21,22,27,28,32,33,34,35
37 3 Bet 16 0 -16 -16 502 1 : 4,5,6,11,12,13,14,15,21,22,27,28,32,33,34,35
38 14 Bet 17 36 -17 19 521 1 : 3,4,5,6,11,12,13,14,15,21,22,27,28,32,33,34,35
39 10 Bet 17 0 -17 -17 504 1 : 3,4,5,6,11,12,13,14,15,21,22,27,28,32,33,34,35
40 22 Bet 18 36 -18 18 522 1 : 3,4,5,6,10,11,12,13,14,15,21,22,27,28,32,33,34,35
41 7 Bet 18 0 -18 -18 504 1 : 3,4,5,6,10,11,12,13,14,15,21,22,27,28,32,33,34,35
42 16 Bet 18 0 -18 -18 486 1 : 3,4,5,6,10,11,12,13,14,15,21,22,27,28,32,33,34,35
43 36 Bet 38 0 -38 -38 448 2 : 3,4,5,6,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,21,22,27,28,32,33,34,35
44 21 Bet 80 144 -80 64 512 4 : 3,4,5,6,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,21,22,27,28,32,33,34,35,36
45 33 Bet 80 144 -80 64 576 4 : 3,4,5,6,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,21,22,27,28,32,33,34,35,36
46 12 Bet 80 144 -80 64 640 4 : 3,4,5,6,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,21,22,27,28,32,33,34,35,36
47 33 Bet 80 144 -80 64 704 4 : 3,4,5,6,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,21,22,27,28,32,33,34,35,36
48 6 Bet 80 144 -80 64 768 4 : 3,4,5,6,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,21,22,27,28,32,33,34,35,36
49 34 Bet 80 144 -80 64 832 4 : 3,4,5,6,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,21,22,27,28,32,33,34,35,36
50 18 Bet 80 0 -80 -80 752 4 : 3,4,5,6,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,21,22,27,28,32,33,34,35,36
+352 units in 50 spins
As you can see, I had a string of 6 hits in a row in the last 7 spins. I stayed at a flat bet for those hits, but if I had increased on a win, well, we would be talking some major cake! I stopped when I was betting 20 numbers.
34 Tracking
5 Tracking
20 Tracking
29 Tracking
7 Tracking
31 Tracking
6 Tracking OK we have got our first trigger 6 and 5 are spun => number 4 will complete a street. I said I always track 8 numbers first and bet on spin 9
31 Tracking Spin 8: we also have a repeater now number 31.
22 Betting: Number 0,4,31
4 Betting number 0,4,31 and Winning!! (happy dance) 30 units // END of session
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Kind Regards Skrizy
Rpro i think u where just lucky on that one. more testing will result in losses if u play on. We tested all possible combinations we could think of and this was the best way. So try that first, but if u keep getting those results we will be looking at it.
Kind Regards,
Skrizy
Quote from: Skrizy on May 04, 2009, 11:50:23 AM
Rpro I think u where just lucky on that one. more testing will result in losses if u play on. We tested all possible combinations we could think of and this was the best way. So try that first, but if u keep getting those results we will be looking at it.
Kind Regards,
Skrizy
I see. You think I played far too long then? I don't know, I played 6 tests like that and all positive! I played until I had 20 numbers to bet and stopped on the last hit with 20 numbers bet. The test that I posted, I just kept going to see what would happen and I got 6 hits in a row. You're right, probably luck.
Viper5 & Skrizy,
Thanks guy's,
will give it a bash later this evening and post how I get on either later tonight or tomorow,
Regards,
Davemd.
Hi Viper and Skrizy
Firstly thank you both for sharing with us all. In order to test this thoroughly please could you elaborate on the following please. I understand everything up to this point as follows.
"If u are down 200 chips u immediately do the SPLIT!
U split the lose to 2...so if u have loss 200 u say u have lost 100...and start the progration to this point! When u will win the 1rst...u do that for the next winner starting from loss 100 chips again....and when u win u are up!!!!"
I am unable to open xls files (pdf would be helpful) I assume that you increase your units by 1 if your balance is lower than your previous high following a win? However I am still am unsure how the "splitting your losses" works?
Sorry if I am missing the obvious, I probably am!!! :scratch_ones_head:
Kind regards
Bali
Another test betting 20 numbers. A little more conservative betting this time but the same principle. I used a different set of actuals. This time I did not increse my bets as frequently and stopped on the first hit when betting 20 numbers. Also, I don't play the zeros unless they qualify as a repeater. Also, I wait 10 spins before betting.
Test Results
Spin Number Type Bet Unit Win Loss Net Unit Bal. Bet Layout
0 400
1 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
2 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
3 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
4 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
5 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
6 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
7 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
8 00 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
9 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
10 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
11 7 Bet 2 0 -2 -2 398 1 : 12,16
12 8 Bet 2 0 -2 -2 396 1 : 12,16
13 34 Bet 3 0 -3 -3 393 1 : 9,12,16
14 20 Bet 4 0 -4 -4 389 1 : 9,12,16,35
15 15 Bet 4 0 -4 -4 385 1 : 9,12,16,35
16 30 Bet 4 0 -4 -4 381 1 : 9,12,16,35
17 32 Bet 5 0 -5 -5 376 1 : 9,12,16,29,35
18 26 Bet 6 0 -6 -6 370 1 : 9,12,16,29,32,35
19 5 Bet 6 0 -6 -6 364 1 : 9,12,16,29,32,35
20 29 Bet 12 72 -12 60 424 2 : 9,12,16,29,32,35
21 15 Bet 6 0 -6 -6 418 1 : 9,12,16,29,32,35
22 2 Bet 7 0 -7 -7 411 1 : 9,12,15,16,29,32,35
23 1 Bet 7 0 -7 -7 404 1 : 9,12,15,16,29,32,35
24 20 Bet 8 0 -8 -8 396 1 : 3,9,12,15,16,29,32,35
25 17 Bet 9 0 -9 -9 387 1 : 3,9,12,15,16,20,29,32,35
26 24 Bet 20 0 -20 -20 367 2 : 3,9,12,15,16,18,20,29,32,35
27 0 Bet 33 0 -33 -33 334 3 : 3,9,12,15,16,18,20,24,29,32,35
28 5 Bet 36 0 -36 -36 298 3 : 3,9,12,15,16,18,20,24,29,32,35,0
29 16 Bet 60 180 -60 120 418 5 : 3,9,12,15,16,18,20,24,29,32,35,0
30 19 Bet 12 0 -12 -12 406 1 : 3,9,12,15,16,18,20,24,29,32,35,0
31 23 Bet 13 0 -13 -13 393 1 : 3,9,12,15,16,18,20,21,24,29,32,35,0
32 1 Bet 28 0 -28 -28 365 2 : 3,9,12,15,16,18,20,21,22,24,29,32,35,0
33 1 Bet 45 108 -45 63 428 3 : 1,3,9,12,15,16,18,20,21,22,24,29,32,35,0
34 7 Bet 15 0 -15 -15 413 1 : 1,3,9,12,15,16,18,20,21,22,24,29,32,35,0
35 31 Bet 16 0 -16 -16 397 1 : 1,3,7,9,12,15,16,18,20,21,22,24,29,32,35,0
36 32 Bet 34 72 -34 38 435 2 : 1,3,7,9,12,15,16,18,20,21,22,24,29,32,33,35,0
37 7 Bet 17 36 -17 19 454 1 : 1,3,7,9,12,15,16,18,20,21,22,24,29,32,33,35,0
38 35 Bet 17 36 -17 19 473 1 : 1,3,7,9,12,15,16,18,20,21,22,24,29,32,33,35,0
39 15 Bet 17 36 -17 19 492 1 : 1,3,7,9,12,15,16,18,20,21,22,24,29,32,33,35,0
40 10 Bet 17 0 -17 -17 475 1 : 1,3,7,9,12,15,16,18,20,21,22,24,29,32,33,35,0
41 28 Bet 18 0 -18 -18 457 1 : 1,3,7,9,11,12,15,16,18,20,21,22,24,29,32,33,35,0
42 18 Bet 19 36 -19 17 474 1 : 1,3,7,9,11,12,15,16,18,20,21,22,24,28,29,32,33,35,0
43 00 Bet 19 0 -19 -19 455 1 : 1,3,7,9,11,12,15,16,18,20,21,22,24,28,29,32,33,35,0
44 00 Bet 20 36 -20 16 471 1 : 1,3,7,9,11,12,15,16,18,20,21,22,24,28,29,32,33,35,0,00
+71 units in 44 spins
@ Bali
The split doesn't occur that frequently its just a sort of plan that gives us more time to recover.
we always hunt the first win flat even if this means we can not recover the losses from this first win.
Afther the first win and we are still down we look at our lost chips and adjust our betsize to recover the loss to the break even point or a little profit.
Whenever u come at a situation between -200/ -250 units we do the split. To make this easy lets say we are down 200 units and we wanne do the split.
On the next spin we will bet the amount as if we where -100 units. we play until the second win comes. because we did the split we will have recovered half of our loss afther the second win, so we have to hunt for another win starting the progression again from the -100 point.
Kind Regards,
Skrizy.
Thank you.
Trylobit
Hi Skrizy,
Thank you for your prompt reply. Your explanation makes perfect sense now! May I ask one more favour? Would it be possible for you to post the progression table in pdf format as I am unable to open an xls file on my mac.
Thank you and kind regards
Bali.
P.s I have so far completed 2 x 35 spin sessions and both ended in the positive :good:
Will post later with further results.
If u could tell me how i can convert an excel file into a pdf file i will gladly do that. I'm not a computer genius...
I have Excel 2007
Kind Regards,
Skrizy.
prog-table97-2003
i am back!!!
lol sorry i was at work...but i saw that my partner is covering the questions.....
so are u testing people???? :yahoo:
After your first win (and you won on a repeater) if you are still down do you continue betting on the repeater that won? So you would be looking for the same number to come up a 4th time?
Well me and viper do difference here a little,
We both keep the bets on the repeaters, but for the streets we have different opinions.
If first win is a full street i erase the number that completed the street, to lower the numbers. Viper likes to bet them all. Both have there pro's and contra's.
But we keep the bet on repeaters!!
Kind Regards,
Skrizy.
YES
U DON T LEAVE TRIGGERS OUT....
PEOPLE PLESE READ THE POSTS CAREFULLY
SOME QUESTIONS ARE ALREADY ANSWERED
Did I play it right?
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QuoteMay I ask one more favour? Would it be possible for you to post the progression table in pdf format as I am unable to open an xls file on my mac.
You can open excel files with openoffice. It's a free download and there's a version for the Mac. nolinks://nolinks.openoffice.org/
I'm not sure how to use this progression table. :-\
Could you explain what the columns and rows mean? Thanks! :)
YES @TRYLOBIT
EXELENT PERFECT
@trylobit
you played it right mate! inform us of you're results.
Kind Regards,
Skrizy.
Hey gang,
I'm also testing and results are good so far (6/6 I think). averaging just over 1 unit per spin (like they said it would). Playing the exact same way as they suggest except I only play the zero if it qualifies.
The progression can be a little tricky, but so far so good. Hits very often and early, thats for sure.
I have also created a spreadsheet to track, but I can't post from this computer. But I can email it if you want a copy (send me a PM).
Cheers,
Matt
PDF progr table for those who need it. :)
Thanks Skrizy and Viper for this system! :good:
LiZrD
well done viper and Skrizy :dance1:
this sounds great and will certanly be having a look at this system more.
I would like to suggest something I think it is a bad idea to retrack the numbers after a win I think we start tracking from the next spin.
example
11,
23,
16,
33,
34,
1,
11, lets say here we just won on the flatbet stage and are in profit. I would not start retracking from number 23. have a break ((in profit)).
22, START TRACKING FROM THE NUMBER THAT YOU WON ON (11)
34,
17,
23, TRIGGER we bet single number 24.
26,
17, TRIGGER we bet single numbers 17,24
24. win now we start retracking from THIS NUMBER.
hope you understand what I mean, the reason why I am saying this is because when I have seen a set of 36 numbers without a number hit 3 times, or a full street not complete is when I retracked from the previous spins.
cheers,
mattjono
Hello guys.
I tested this for the last few hours and I have won 16/16 games. It is a very good idea and like the other guys testing my win rate seems to be just over 1 unit per spin. :clapping:
i say we need to all try to find as many losing session as possible everyone try and experience a losing session see how long it takes.
we can learn from all the losing sessions so please always post the losing ones if you ever do have a losing session that is. ;D.
cheers,
mattjono
this is a PERFECT balance of 2 systems. POWERFUL STUFF I SAY.
:diablo: just the devil to worry about now.
cheers,
mattjono
:pleasantry: Hi guys. Very nice work. I will also test it.
Thank you very much
Hi!
I will test it and give results.
Meanwhile... here is little something from me.... A present!!!! ;)
Here is an idea to calculate the unit size faster:
=balance from last spin + unit * 36 - unit * numbers betted
if result is >0 the unit we've put is enough
if result is <0 the unit we've put is not enought
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I have created an excel spread sheet.
Here is how to use it:
1. Spin - no comment ;)
2. Number - we put the number came out here (not necessary if you keep track of them somewhere else)
3. Numbers to bet (not necessary if you keep track of them somewhere else)
4. Bets - a.k.a. numbers covered as we can see in the example we have 0 8 qualified so the number of bets is 2
5. Unit - here we put out unit
6. Balance - we keep track of our balance (for now put manually, maybe I will improve it later on)
7. Prog - the balance in case of win.
Now if the "Prog" is <0 then we need to put bigger "Unit" as soon as the "Prog" will show us result >0 we have the right unit.
For me it's a faster way...;)
Best regards.
Quote from: MATTJONO on May 04, 2009, 01:52:35 PM
well done viper and Skrizy :dance1:
this sounds great and will certanly be having a look at this system more.
I would like to suggest something I think it is a bad idea to retrack the numbers after a win I think we start tracking from the next spin.
example
11,
23,
16,
33,
34,
1,
11, lets say here we just won on the flatbet stage and are in profit. I would not start retracking from number 23. have a break ((in profit)).
22, START TRACKING FROM THE NUMBER THAT YOU WON ON (11)
34,
17,
23, TRIGGER we bet single number 24.
26,
17, TRIGGER we bet single numbers 17,24
24. win now we start retracking from THIS NUMBER.
hope you understand what I mean, the reason why I am saying this is because when I have seen a set of 36 numbers without a number hit 3 times, or a full street not complete is when I retracked from the previous spins.
cheers,
mattjono
I have been tracking from the first spin after the number I won on. I thought that was how it was supposed to be done. For example, I track 10 spins, then start to bet if I have any triggers (usually 1 or 2 at this point). After I get a hit, the next number spun would be the first number in my 10 spin tracking stage.
Tough going here, but not a really bad finish.
Test Results
Spin Number Type Bet Unit Win Loss Net Unit Bal. Bet Layout
0 400
1 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
2 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
3 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
4 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
5 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
6 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
7 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
8 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
9 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
10 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
11 21 Bet 1 0 -1 -1 399 1 : 31
12 35 Bet 2 0 -2 -2 397 1 : 21,31
13 17 Bet 3 0 -3 -3 394 1 : 21,31,35
14 8 Bet 3 0 -3 -3 391 1 : 21,31,35
15 2 Bet 3 0 -3 -3 388 1 : 21,31,35
16 26 Bet 4 0 -4 -4 384 1 : 1,21,31,35
17 11 Bet 4 0 -4 -4 380 1 : 1,21,31,35
18 28 Bet 5 0 -5 -5 375 1 : 1,11,21,31,35
19 15 Bet 6 0 -6 -6 369 1 : 1,11,21,28,31,35
20 14 Bet 14 0 -14 -14 355 2 : 1,11,15,21,28,31,35
21 4 Bet 16 0 -16 -16 339 2 : 1,11,13,15,21,28,31,35
22 14 Bet 27 0 -27 -27 312 3 : 1,4,11,13,15,21,28,31,35
23 27 Bet 30 0 -30 -30 282 3 : 1,4,11,13,14,15,21,28,31,35
24 25 Bet 44 144 -44 100 382 4 : 1,4,11,13,14,15,21,25,28,31,35
25 22 Bet 11 0 -11 -11 371 1 : 1,4,11,13,14,15,21,25,28,31,35
26 6 Bet 12 0 -12 -12 359 1 : 1,4,11,13,14,15,21,23,25,28,31,35
27 3 Bet 26 0 -26 -26 333 2 : 1,4,5,11,13,14,15,21,23,25,28,31,35
28 12 Bet 42 0 -42 -42 291 3 : 1,3,4,5,11,13,14,15,21,23,25,28,31,35
29 31 Bet 60 144 -60 84 375 4 : 1,3,4,5,10,11,13,14,15,21,23,25,28,31,35
30 30 Bet 60 0 -60 -60 315 4 : 1,3,4,5,10,11,13,14,15,21,23,25,28,31,35
31 24 Bet 80 0 -80 -80 235 5 : 1,3,4,5,10,11,13,14,15,21,23,25,28,29,31,35
32 28 Bet 102 216 -102 114 349 6 : 1,3,4,5,10,11,13,14,15,21,23,24,25,28,29,31,35
33 9 Bet 17 0 -17 -17 332 1 : 1,3,4,5,10,11,13,14,15,21,23,24,25,28,29,31,35
34 25 Bet 36 72 -36 36 368 2 : 1,3,4,5,7,10,11,13,14,15,21,23,24,25,28,29,31,35
35 17 Bet 18 0 -18 -18 350 1 : 1,3,4,5,7,10,11,13,14,15,21,23,24,25,28,29,31,35
36 11 Bet 57 108 -57 51 401 3 : 1,3,4,5,7,10,11,13,14,15,17,21,23,24,25,28,29,31,35
37 22 Bet 19 0 -19 -19 382 1 : 1,3,4,5,7,10,11,13,14,15,17,21,23,24,25,28,29,31,35
38 8 Bet 60 0 -60 -60 322 3 : 1,3,4,5,7,10,11,13,14,15,17,21,22,23,24,25,28,29,31,35
39 1 Bet 84 144 -84 60 382 4 : 1,3,4,5,7,8,10,11,13,14,15,17,21,22,23,24,25,28,29,31,35
-18 in 39 spins
If I had quit at spin 36, I actually would have finished +1. Also, I went to 21 numbers to try and get some more profit, but to no avail.
First short test pretty good:
Start: 500
End: 532
Net profit: +32
Spins: 42
Av. unit per spin: 0,76
Hey mates
tested 7 sessions.
1st session the hardest. I did win all 7 sessions though. 1st session had to go to a bet of 12 numbers. Altogether 23 spins before a hit. I did by hand and did not look at units. Were just interested in the win rate.
Looks good.
The other 6 sessions never went more than 7 numbers with one session only going to 2 numbers. Very nice.
Cheers
Jakk
Rpro75 u got it all wrong or u are using you're own system lol. i have never had a session where i betted 21 numbers, the most i have ever expierenced was 16.
Post all you're results please even the bad ones!!!!
Kind regards,
Skrizy
It's awesome :yahoo:. Thanks Skrizy and Viper for this system!
SO PEOPLE!!!!
IS THIS SYSTEM THE BEST OR NO?????
IT DOESN T DEPENT ON LUCK.....OR ON SLEPERS ONLY ......AR THE REPEATS ONLY.......OR BULLSHIT!!!!
COMBINATION OF PURE MATHS AND POSSIBILITIES FROM THE GAME ITS SELF!!!!!
MILK ,MILK AND KILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
WE NEED TESTSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS U WILL SEE THAT ALL TOGEATHES U WILL WIN AT LEATS 4000 CHIPS TILL A LOSE COME!!!!
MABY THE LOSE WILL NOT COME EVER!!!!!!
SOMEONE SAYD HE DOESN T BET THE 0(AS WE SAID)
MY FRIEND THIS SYSTEM WAS ENGINNEARED FOR 1 MONTH 24/7!!!!!!!
AND THE LAST ENGINNEARING WAS THE O!!!!!!!!!!!
MABY WE KNOW A LITTLE THING MORE THAN U........... ;)
PEOPLE DO NOT DO WHAT U THING!!!!!
PLAY BY THE BOOK!!!!!!
MILK MILK AND KILL
I THINK EINSTAN WASN T SO CLEVER....... ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
DO U SEE MY LINE????
if i can t do it it can t be done
Quote from: MXkid77 on May 04, 2009, 10:38:42 AM
Here's the tracker you looking for, it will show the last number to complete the street as well as the 2 time repeaters.
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=295
For those that missed it, link above
;D Hey Viper I see modesty isn't your strong point......BUT I like your energy mate! Well done. I like it and will give it a good go. See my previous results. 7/7 sessions.
Cheers
Jakk
Thanks lizard911 for the pdf great help mate!!! :yahoo:
Quote from: Skrizy on May 04, 2009, 02:55:01 PM
Rpro75 u got it all wrong or u are using you're own system lol. I have never had a session where I betted 21 numbers, the most I have ever expierenced was 16.
Post all you're results please even the bad ones!!!!
Kind regards,
Skrizy
If I had not continued betting, I would not have ended up with just a loss of 18 units. It would have been a lot more. The hits took a long time to come. I think I had bet 18 numbers before actually being in profit 1 unit. This is a good system but not the HG by far.
That's more like it. These are actuals from Kewadin Casino. I think I could have kept going but I stopped at 12 numbers bet after I experienced 3 hits in a row at the end. I felt I should quit while ahead and start another session. I varied my bets but basically just flat bet. I upped it to two units or more if I felt a hit was due. It works really well. I think I will have to play with real money tomorrow.
Test Results
Spin Number Type Bet Unit Win Loss Net Unit Bal. Bet Layout
0 400
1 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
2 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
3 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
4 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
5 27 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
6 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
7 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
8 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
9 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
10 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
11 32 Bet 2 36 -2 34 434 1 : 26,32
12 36 Bet 2 0 -2 -2 432 1 : 26,32
13 20 Bet 3 0 -3 -3 429 1 : 26,32,36
14 26 Bet 4 36 -4 32 461 1 : 20,26,32,36
15 9 Bet 4 0 -4 -4 457 1 : 20,26,32,36
16 00 Bet 5 0 -5 -5 452 1 : 7,20,26,32,36
17 4 Bet 5 0 -5 -5 447 1 : 7,20,26,32,36
18 30 Bet 6 0 -6 -6 441 1 : 5,7,20,26,32,36
19 20 Bet 12 72 -12 60 501 2 : 5,7,20,26,32,36
20 24 Bet 12 0 -12 -12 489 2 : 5,7,20,26,32,36
21 11 Bet 12 0 -12 -12 477 2 : 5,7,20,26,32,36
22 33 Bet 12 0 -12 -12 465 2 : 5,7,20,26,32,36
23 5 Bet 14 72 -14 58 523 2 : 5,7,20,26,32,33,36
24 15 Bet 14 0 -14 -14 509 2 : 5,7,20,26,32,33,36
25 16 Bet 14 0 -14 -14 495 2 : 5,7,20,26,32,33,36
26 6 Bet 16 0 -16 -16 479 2 : 5,7,18,20,26,32,33,36
27 3 Bet 27 0 -27 -27 452 3 : 5,6,7,18,20,26,32,33,36
28 16 Bet 30 0 -30 -30 422 3 : 1,5,6,7,18,20,26,32,33,36
29 00 Bet 33 0 -33 -33 389 3 : 1,5,6,7,16,18,20,26,32,33,36
30 16 Bet 36 108 -36 72 461 3 : 1,5,6,7,16,18,20,26,32,33,36,00
31 32 Bet 24 72 -24 48 509 2 : 1,5,6,7,16,18,20,26,32,33,36,00
32 36 Bet 24 72 -24 48 557 2 : 1,5,6,7,16,18,20,26,32,33,36,00
+157 units in 32 spins
ppro
with the way u play it is is sure not the hg......lol
@Rpro75: in your example (reply #69) why did u bet 2 units on each number at spin 20 ?
Quote19 15 Bet 6 0 -6 -6 369 1 : 1,11,21,28,31,35
20 14 Bet 14 0 -14 -14 355 2 : 1,11,15,21,28,31,35
I think it's not the way it should be played as stated by viper:
QuoteSo we bet till the first win absolutely flat(even if we are down 36 chips and more!)
please correct me if I am wrong.
@Skrizy/Viper:
could u show how u would have played Rpro75 series ? Till 1st hit is clear for me but short after that we need to split, and things become bit messy for my understanding. By the way in each session we can split only once or in case the session goes very bad we will need to split more than once ?
Thanks
LiZrD
Quote from: lizard911 on May 04, 2009, 04:27:12 PM
@Rpro75: in your example why did u bet 2 units on each number at spin 20 ?
I think it's not the way it should be played as stated by viper:
please correct me if I am wrong.
@Skrizy/Viper:
could u show how u would have played Rpro75 series ? Till 1st hit is clear for me but short after that we need to split, and things become bit messy for my understanding. By the way in each session we can split only once or in case the session goes very bad we will need to split more than once ?
Thanks
LiZrD
I was under the impression we split only if down 200+ units. I know that you are supposed to flat bet until the first hit, I just adjusted my bet a little to produce more profit on the first hit. I have only had one losing session with the way I have been doing it so I think I'll continue that way. I always try to cover my losses so that when I do hit, I am in profit at least a couple of units. I have yet to be down 200 units. I think my biggest drawdown was 122 units and my loss was only 18 units so far. My biggest profit was 408 units and my lowest profit was 34 units. Great results so far. I like it.
spliting more than 1ce will bring trables to count all the factors....
and the other problem to that is that u may not have so many winners....
couse if u split 2 times u will need
1winer flat
2 winers for the 1 split
2 winers for the 2nd
so 5 winners in a season that shows that is a bad sesson is bad ......
u just bear with the los...if u lose ,couse u will have won sooooooooo many chips befor that u won t care!!!!
no system on earth can win roulette 100%without losing sometimes
the succes is the win/loss ratio to be in the ballance that u win soooo many so when the loss comes u are so up,u don t care!
I hope it will go well @PPRO!
continue do this way and if its better that ours it will be a very good thing!!!!!
the 1st reason we desided to expose this system was to give u hope and a lot of money
the 2nd was that couse we are so brilliand members here,maby we could improve it more
Quote from: viper5 on May 04, 2009, 04:31:59 PM
spliting more than 1ce will bring trables to count all the factors....
and the other problem to that is that u may not have so many winners....
couse if u split 2 times u will need
1winer flat
2 winers for the 1 split
2 winers for the 2nd
so 5 winners in a season that shows that is a bad sesson is bad ......
u just bear with the los...if u lose ,couse u will have won sooooooooo many chips befor that u won t care!!!!
no system on earth can win roulette 100%without losing sometimes
the succes is the win/loss ratio to be in the ballance that u win soooo many so when the loss comes u are so up,u don t care!
The results of my tests so far prove that this is definitely a consistent winner. All of them have been done with casino actuals. I am confident I can play this system tomorrow at Indian Bend for at least a 200 unit ($50.00) win. So far, in May I am up $42.00. I had one win of $96 and one loss of $54 in 2 sessions so far. That was playing my Diodoro Sector Mod. I can't wait to add the Perfect Balance System to my arsenal! Thanks Viper and Skrizy!!!
playing the system in a looooot of sessons u will see a lot of numbers paterns and u will know roulette better......
then u may thing of other things to insert in order to make it better...........
hey testers where r u???LOL
u win so much that u don t have time to post the winnings?LOLOLOLOL
I have a few questions, I' m not sure about certain things
Do you stop to bet after the 1rst profit of your balance or do you continue until the profit be enough for you?
Is a bankroll of 500 is really necessary or I can have less?
Thank You
with our way of betting the br u need is 500...not less
and when u have 1 win profit u stop
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Difficult trot, but managed to go in profit ;)
Hi
some tougher sessions but....
spins 71 +101
Nice
TSK
Rpro75 what logic do u use to adjust betsize?
I will now tell some facts about my and vipers testings.
The fastest we have seen a winner is on spin 3, pretty obvious just a full street in 3 spins.
The longest run we had was 29 spins without a winner. spin 30 was the first winner. Rpro u can now see that if u would play u're style this would be a bad session for u.
The average session is won between spin 15 and 18
The average point at wich the lost units reach -35 and u will be needing a second win to end the session in profit is somewhat the same as above around spin 15 till 18. That is why not only the 2 events work as a balance but also the way of betting.
anyway, keep posting results and improvements!!
Kind Regards,
Skrizy.
2nd test:
Start: 532
End: 640
Net profit: +108
Spins: 56
Av. unit per spin: 1,93
Superb result but I had three very high winnings.
trylobit,
In 10 sessions u will see that 4 to 5 result in big flat wins. the rest will be thougher and need progression. Its lovely to catch those easy flat wins. I always get a smile on my face, when i start betting on spin 9 betting the 0 and one other qualified number. and than it hits my numbers :p its like voodoo but with some logic.
Kind Regards,
Skrizy.
Skrizy... so betting on spin 9, on spin 10 or after spin 10?
What's the final word.
And another question: what do you do when you have a full street in first 8-10 spins?
Well its up to preferance, Viper likes to wait till spin 10 or 12 to get the bets in, i like to wait 8 spins and bet on spin 9.
When I see a full street before spin 9? i usually call my computer some ugly words and than i wait for new spins LOL!
Kind Regards,
Skrizy.
@Skrizy
"I usually call my computer some ugly words and than I wait for new spins LOL!"
Good one! ROTFL
I just had:
32
17
22
19
5
6
33
31
1
4
TWO FULL STREETS IN 10 SPINS!
and after that
6
33
31
1
4
26
26
34
1
7
5 Hit in first bet!
Hi Guy's,
just finished 142 spins at joyland +125,
Kind regards,
Davemd.
TYIPICAL SESSION THIS LASTED 42SPINS WHEN I DECIDED TO QUIT.
THESE ARE THE RULES THAT I PLAYED THIS SESSION FLATBETTING ONLY AS IM SCARED OF THE PROGRESSION :diablo:
1. START SESSION WITH 100 UNITS.(IF WE LOSE THIS 100UNITS WE QUIT FOR THE SESSION)
2. TRACK FROM THE FIRST NUMBERS SPUN AND BET ON A TRIGGER AS SOON AS IT COMES.TRIGGERS= NUMBERS HIT FOR 2ND TIME OR UNHIT NUMBER FROM A STREET, AND 0 IF IT HITS. 0 IS A TRIGGER FOR ME.
3. ONCE WE HIT A WIN WE LOOK TO SEE IF THIS SESSION IS IN PROFIT IF IT IS THEN START AGAIN AND RETRACK FROM THE NEXT NUMBER, IF YOU ARE DOWN WHEN YOUR FIRST SINGLE NUMBER WIN COMES THEN WE CARRY ON PLAYING THE SESSION WITH OUR TRIGGER NUMBERS UNTIL WE END UP IN PROFIT. OVERWISE AT THIS POINT THE ONLY WAY WE CAN QUIT IS IF WE LOSE 100UNITS. 8)
THIS LASTED 42SPINS WHEN I DECIDED TO QUIT. ( +77UNITS )
BOLD NUMBERS = WHERE I START TRACKING FROM
GREEN NUMBER = THE WINS
SPIN/BETS/BALANCE/NUMBERS BETTING//
14 0 100 ..
17 0 100 ..
14 0 100 14,
5 -1 99 14,
30 -1 98 14,
30 -1 97 14,30
17 -2 95 14,17,30
23 -3 92 14,17,30
11 -3 89 14,17,30
5 -3 86 5,14,17,30
30 32 118 ..
27 0 118 ..
35 0 118 ..
25 0 118 26
28 -1 117 26
16 -1 116 26
15 -1 115 26
27 -1 114 26,27
13 -2 112 14,26,27
3 -3 109 14,26,27
29 -3 106 14,26,27,30
14 32 138 ..
0 0 138 0
0 35 173 ..
3 0 173 ..
33 0 173 ..
9 0 173 ..
0 0 173 0
12 -1 172 0
18 -1 171 0
2 -1 170 0,1
21 -2 168 0,1
32 -2 166 0,1,31
33 -3 163 0,1,31,33
3 -4 159 0,1,3,31,33
7 -5 154 0,1,3,8,31,33
12 -6 148 0,1,3,8,12,31,33
32 -7 141 0,1,3,8,12,31,32,33
2 -8 133 0,1,2,3,8,12,31,32,33
3 27 160 0,1,2,3,8,12,31,32,33
18 -9 151 0,1,2,3,8,12,,18,31,32,33
2 26 177 END SESSION +77UNITS.
CHEERS,
MATTJONO
3rd test:
Start: 640
End: 763
Net profit: +123
Spins: 73
Av. unit per spin: 1,68
Quote from: Herb on May 04, 2009, 07:35:25 PM
Are you guys joking? :sarcastic:
Meaning? Let me guess, you think the system is a joke, right? If that is your opinion, I respect that, but I would like to see your reasons why this will fail when everyone else is winning and having good positive test results with casino actuals.
Quote from: Skrizy on May 04, 2009, 05:44:06 PM
Rpro75 what logic do u use to adjust betsize?
I will now tell some facts about my and vipers testings.
The fastest we have seen a winner is on spin 3, pretty obvious just a full street in 3 spins.
The longest run we had was 29 spins without a winner. spin 30 was the first winner. Rpro u can now see that if u would play u're style this would be a bad session for u.
The average session is won between spin 15 and 18
The average point at wich the lost units reach -35 and u will be needing a second win to end the session in profit is somewhat the same as above around spin 15 till 18. That is why not only the 2 events work as a balance but also the way of betting.
anyway, keep posting results and improvements!!
Kind Regards,
Skrizy.
Absolutely correct, however, that is a chance I am willing to take because I am sure the wins will far outnnumber the losses. As Al Pacino says in Scarface, "Once you get the money, then you get the power. Once you get the power, then you get the women", or something to that effect anyway! What I am trying to say I guess is no guts, no glory.
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Session I had just few minutes ago... I thought it's going to crush... but no!!!!
Bravo!
Ps. Sorry I didn't fill out the numbers I was betting, because I was at play mode in dublinbet.
Thanks for sharing guys :good:
BR
Kingpin
Here comes the tanker...
Maybe I did something wrong but If I really had bankroll of 500 units it would sink.
After spin 28 I wouldn't have enough money to place next bet.
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:clapping: CAN WE GET A BOT FOR THIS??! :yahoo:
did a test on this method few weeks ago when it hits it tends to hit easy but sometimes those hits are few and far between you need a lot end on end wins to come to bring your bank in to profit a progreession can kill you you need lots of hits
I abandoned it neither thinking was a winner or a loser but Vipers results are second to none But I am thinking it is possible with these type of methods to lose two or three progression within a few sessions
Having siad that I am thinknig Lankys 35 point divisor staking plan would work but profits would not be as high but the divisor plan allow you to stay in the game longer without busting out as those wins will come along in clumps eventually
WHERE IS THIS SYSTEM AND WILL IT WORK ON A AMERICAN WHEEL.
I THINK ROULETTE IS TO HARD SO I WILL TRY IT OUT THIS SYSTEM THAT IS WHERE IS IT LOCATED AND CAN IT BE FLAT BET.
WILL IT WORK ON A US DOUBLE ZERO WHEEL.
STUART
Quote from: Number Six on May 04, 2009, 08:47:41 PM
It just tanked massively! It won't work on any wheel
I think that is a bit of an overreaction. We have all been getting great results. One bad session does not mean it is a loser by far.
Here is a better chart to help you all track.
The Chart is fine, what they need is more money since they just lost it.
Here is it is, the new quack meter. In recent months, the number of quacks on the board has gone up very quickly. Some of these quacks are regular people that just make an occasional outlandish claim. Others are people like James Wendall that are completely out of touch with reality.
How do we determine if a poster is worth reading, or whether it's delusional gibberish by someone that is a real quack?
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1. The poster can't form a sentence, but claims to be smarter than Einstein. 10000 points.
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3. The poster claims that ordinary math doesn't apply to their system. 500 points
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14. The poster claims to donate most of his winnings to children's charities. 200 points.
15. The poster offers hints in his avatar. 500 points.
16. The poster talks about himself in a daily diary. (Yes, like James for example.) 300 points.
17. The poster claims that there is a secret flaw in the layout of the roulette wheel that can be exploited. 500 points.
18. The poster claims to win $50 or more a day by just using gaming discipline and money management. 200 points.
19. The poster claims to win every time he plays. 500 points.
20. The poster claims to have a successful system that enables them to win on the outside in the long run. 200 points.
21. The poster claims that there is a consistent winning bet in roulette. 300 points.
22. The poster thinks that you can win if you can find "just the right progression." 100 points.
23. The poster thinks that the "hemi" or "bow tie" is a long term winner. 100 points.
24. The poster claims to win in the long term by making educated guesses. 400 points.
25. The poster claims to make educated guesses that are correct more than 50% of the time. 300 points.
26. The poster keeps an online journal of his betting results on the outside bets. 100 points.
27. The poster has either the family dog or cat as an avatar. 200 points.
28. The poster has an Animee figure as an avatar. 200 points.
29. The poster refers to educated people as "Math Boys." 200 points.
30. The poster claims to have developed a long term winning system. 200 points.
31. You believe "Win With Math" is real. 500 points.
32. Someone is going to find and post the "Holy Grail" any day now. 200 points.
33. You belong to a numerology study group. 200 points.
34. The poster claims that using his method that, "It's harder to not to hit the lottery then hitting it. Yes my method in fact it's not even possible to lose." 10,000 points.
35. The poster believes Dysexlic's, or Murph's posts. 100 points.
Ratings:
If you score:
Over 2000 points: You're James Wendall. You should be in a straight jacket. You belong in an institution. You believe in gov. conspiracies. You're heavily medicated and drift in and out of reality. You're blissfully ignorant and blowing spit bubbles.
1000 points or more: You're definitely a big quack. Chances are, you believe in gov. conspiracy theories as well. You should not be allowed to handle money. Other people should administer your medications. Someone else should manage your daily affairs and finances. You're blissfully ignorant and blowing spit bubbles.
700 points or more: You're a big quack. You might believe in gov. conspiracies. You probably should be medicated. You should only be allowed to hold small amounts of money at any given time. Someone other than you should manage your finances. You're ignorant and sometimes blow spit bubbles.
400 points or more.. You're probably a quack. You might believe in gov. conspiracies. You should have your wife or another family member provide you with a limited weekly allowance. Also, tell your wife to hide the checkbook if you're married.
300 points or more.. You might be a quack. You might just be ignorant. Either way, stay out of the casino, unless you go with a close family member that can monitor your gambling activities.
200 points or more.. You could be a quack. You might just be ignorant. Read more information about probability and the mathematics of gambling before going to the casino.
Listed above is just a partial list. I'll add more to the list as I find time. Please feel free to add your own suggestions, unless your a quack.
-Herb
Viper told me in the chat room yesterday that "when I lose all my money playing my own strategies, to use his system."
I think he must have meant - If I want to lose all my money, then use his system.
Hi
I won some sessions with real money then last night I switched to play money cos didnt wanna push my luck.
I lost over 1000 units in 1 session.
Im glad I swapped from real to play or I would have been wiped out.
Not sure where to go from here :(
TSK
Well, I just returned from Indian Bend and I am totally disgusted. I tried this system and the first word that comes to mind is TERRIBLE. My first go I played exactly as specified and I got only two hits in 29 spins for a loss of over 200 units. I did the "split" and then proceeded to go 18 spins until I got my first hit, then another 5 until I hit another. Now I am down about 350 units. I gave it a third go and only two hits in 20 spins for another 120 unit loss. Altogether I lost 480 units ($120.00). The worst part of it was, all of the unhits were spinning in exactly as they always do when I play my Diodoro Mod. If I had been playing the Diodoro Mod, I would have won probably $80-$100 tonight. Never again. Sorry Viper and Skrizy, but what you experienced was luck, this system is no good.
QuoteHere comes the tanker...
:-\
QuoteNever again. Sorry Viper and Skrizy, but what you experienced was luck, this system is no good.
???
QuoteI lost over 1000 units in 1 session.
:no:
Eish.... this was just getting good. :'( :skull:
Viper, Skrizy.... what now? I believe you guys made big money with this, but we simply cannot replicate your success. Are we doing something wrong?
First of all can I just say that the guys are to be congratulated for bringing this one to the table. :clapping:
From what they say they spent a solid month testing this.
I spent most of yesterday testing it to see how it performed. I was impressed with all the winning sessions and YES I did have a bust where I lost the 500 units. At the end I was a few hundred units up.
For me the mechanical side of this system is one of the best I have seen. Unfortunately sooner or later the progression WILL bust out and you will lose a stack of money. So rather than give up on it I think it needs looking at and finding how it can tweaked playing flat bets or maybe using a small progression with a stopping point. It still may fail long term but it is too soon just to give up.
Sorry to hear about your loss RPro. That is one of the downsides that anybody's first game could be the one where the progression gets to steep.
QuoteI am thinknig Lankys 35 point divisor staking plan would work but profits would not be as high but the divisor plan allow you to stay in the game longer without busting out as those wins will come along in clumps eventually
Any one tested this with Lanky's 35 point divisor plan? I am not well versed in that. I did read the post, but not sure I fully understand how to utilize the 35 point divisor with this system.
Quote from: johhnyg on May 05, 2009, 05:01:25 AM
First of all can I just say that the guys are to be congratulated for bringing this one to the table. :clapping:
From what they say they spent a solid month testing this.
I spent most of yesterday testing it to see how it performed. I was impressed with all the winning sessions and YES I did have a bust where I lost the 500 units. At the end I was a few hundred units up.
For me the mechanical side of this system is one of the best I have seen. Unfortunately sooner or later the progression WILL bust out and you will lose a stack of money. So rather than give up on it I think it needs looking at and finding how it can tweaked playing flat bets or maybe using a small progression with a stopping point. It still may fail long term but it is too soon just to give up.
Sorry to hear about your loss RPro. That is one of the downsides that anybody's first game could be the one where the progression gets to steep.
Like I said in an earlier post I had trouble gettingit to work it win easy then at times the numbers that come out wont suit the system but i say if one is willing to be more patiant the divisor plan wil lwork with this I think
Hello,
Viper5 and Skrizy...
I have tried this for a few sessions and I think it looks great.
But of course I did it my way:
1) Whenever a trigger comes I start betting the trigger and Zero.
2) I bet only to the first win.
3) If I have to make a bet that makes the bank-roll -36 or worse (start = 0) I progress to 2 units on each number.
4) If I have to make a bet that makes the bank-roll -72 or worse I stop.
So the worst case is 71 units lost in one session.
I absolutely think that a longer progression is too dangerous.
I just used one Wiesbaden day I had on the desk-top and started a new session immediately after a win:
Tisch: 3
Datum: 15.04.2009
Version: 1.00
********* Gewinnzahlen ********
N Z R
SESSION 1:
4 - - -
27 4 - -
36 7 8 -9
7 - - -
8 - - - Bet 0+9 = -2
0 - - -18 Win 0 End +34 (Tot: +34)
8 - - -
22 - - -
24 - - 27
16 - - -
35 - - -
9 - - 36
SESSION 2:
8 - - -
22 - - -
24 - 8 9 Bet 0+23 = -2
16 - 11 - Bet 0+23 = -4
35 - - - Bet 0+23 = -6
9 16 - -18 Bet 0+7+23 = -9
31 - - 21 Bet 0+7+23 = -12
21 22 - 24 Bet 0+7+23 = -15
11 - - -27 Bet 0+7+23 = -18
0 - - - Win 0 End +18 (Tot +52)
28 31 - -
20 - 35 -36
SESSION 3:
28 - - -
20 - - -
19 - - -9 Bet 0+21 = -2
11 - - - Bet 0+21 = -4
21 - - - Win 21 End +32 (Tot: +84)
12 - - -18
31 19 20 -
21 - - -
16 - - -27
13 28 - -
32 - - -
2 - - -36
SESSION 4:
12 - 2 -
31 - - -
21 - 8 -9
16 - - 12
13 13 - -
32 16 17 -18 Bet 0+33 = -2
2 19 - 21 Bet 0+33 = -4
27 - - 24 Bet 0+33 = -6
34 - 26 27 Bet 0+33 = -8
29 - 29 30 Bet 0+33 = -10
19 31 32 - Bet 0+20+33 = -13
17 34 - -36 Bet 0+18+20+33 = -17
30 Bet 0+18+20+28+33 = -22
24 Bet 0+18+20+28+33 = -27
27 R Bet 0+18+20+27+28+33 = -33
8 Bet 0+18+20+27+28+33 x 2 = -45
-- -- --
26 Bet 0+18+20+25+27+28+33 x 2 = -59
18 Win 18 End +13 (+97)
SESSION 5:
15 1 - 3
31 - - -
26 - - -9
28 - 11 12
16 - - 15
1 16 - -18
19 19 - -
12 22 23 -
23 - 26 -27
12 R 28 - - Bet 0+12 = -2
3 31 - - Bet 0+2+12 = -5
34 34 - -36 Bet 0+2+12 = -8
11 Bet 0+2+10+12 = -12
22 Bet 0+2+10+12+24 = -17
23 R Bet 0+2+10+12+23+24 = -23
24 Win 24 End +13 (Tot: +110)
SESSION 6:
-- -- --
35 1 - -
24 - - -
1 7 - -9
22 - - - Bet 0+23 = -2
28 - - - Bet 0+23 = -4
24 R - - -18 Bet 0+23+24 = -7
21 - - 21 Bet 0+23+24 = -10
29 22 - 24 Bet 0+23+24+30 = -14
7 - - -27 Bet 0+23+24+30 = -18
30 28 29 - Win 30 End +18 (Tot: +128)
2 - - -
-- -- -- - 35 -36
SESSION 7:
2 - 2 -
-- -- -- - 5 -
21 - 8 -9
21 R - 11 - Bet 0+21 = -2
8 - - - Bet 0+21 = -4
17 16 17 -18 Bet 0+21 = -6
30 - - 21 Bet 0+21 = -8
11 - 23 - Bet 0+21 = -10
16 - - -27 Bet 0+18+21 = -13
5 - 29 30 Bet 0+18+21 = -16
23 - - - Bet 0+18+21 = -19
29 - - -36 Bet 0+18+21+28 = -23
30 R Bet 0+18+21+28+30 = -28
28 Win 28 End +8 (Tot +136)
SESSION 8:
-- -- --
30 - - 3
7 4 - -
27 7 8 -9
8 - - 12 Bet 0+9 = -2
25 - - 15 Bet 0+9+26 = -5
28 - - -18 Bet 0+9+26+29 = -9
7 R 19 - - Bet 0+7+9+26+29 = -14
4 - - - Bet 0+7+9+26+29 = -19
12 25 - 27 Bet 0+7+9+26+29 = -24
3 28 - 30 Bet 0+7+9+26+29 = -29
15 - - - Bet 0+7+9+26+29 = -34
19 - - -36 Bet 0+7+9+26+29 x 2 = -44
-- -- --
9 Win 9 End +28 (+164)
SESSION 9:
18 1 2 -
2 - 5 -
1 - 8 -9 Bet 0+3 = -2
23 - - - Bet 0+3 = -4
5 - - - Bet 0+3 = -6
25 - - 18 Bet 0+3 = -8
8 - - - Bet 0+3 = -10
27 - 23 - Bet 0+3 = -12
3 25 - 27 Win 3 End +24 (+188)
35 - - -
4 - - -
10 - - -36
SESSION 10:
35 - 2 -
4 4 - -
10 - 8 -9
2 10 - -
8 13 14 -
31 - - -18
13 - - -
26 - 23 -
-- -- -- - 26 -27
33 - - - Bet 0+32 = -2
14 31 - 33 Bet 0+15+32 = -5
2 R - 35 -36 Bet 0+2+15+32 = -9
23 Bet 0+2+15+32 = -13
33 R Bet 0+2+15+32+33 = -18
33 Win 33 End +18 (Tot: +206)
SESSION 11:
21 - - -
28 - - 6
6 7 - -9
7 - - -
33 - - -
20 - - -18 Bet 0+19 = -2
36 - 20 21 Bet 0+19 = -4
23 - 23 - Bet 0+19 = -6
0 - - -27 Win 0 End +30 (Tot: +236)
16 28 - -
36 - - 33
23 - - 36
SESSION 12:
16 - 2 -
36 - - -
23 - 8 -9
32 - - 12
28 - - -
21 16 - -18
12 - - 21
-- -- -- - 23 -
33 - - -27 Bet 0+31 = -2
34 28 29 - Bet 0+31+35 = -5
29 - 32 33 Bet 0+30+31+35 = -9
8 34 - 36 Bet 0+30+31+35 = -13
36 R Bet 0+30+31+35+36 = -18
2 Bet 0+30+31+35+36 = -23
36 Win 36 End +13 (Tot: +249)
SESSION 13:
10 1 - -
1 - - -
11 7 - -9 Bet 0+12 = -2
36 10 11 - Bet 0+12 = -4
7 - - 15 Bet 0+12 = -6
15 16 - -18 Bet 0+12 = -8
7 R - - - Bet 0+7+12 = -11
29 - - - Bet 0+7+12 = -14
29 R - - -27 Bet 0+7+12+29 = -18
1 R - 29 - Bet 0+1+7+12+29 = -23
31 31 - - Bet 0+1+7+12+29 = -28
16 - - 36 Bet 0+1+7+12+29 = -33
1 Win 1 End +3 (Tot: +252)
(Between the numbers and the bets is the table-layout for my records.
What looks like "-9" is only a guide for me and 9 has not won)
I played 13 sessions (<150 spins)
I won all 13 sessions
I used the progression twice: -59 and -44 before the win
End +252 units.
This system should really be tested large-scale and in many different variations.
Thank you Viper5 and Skizy for bringing this idea to us.
Best regards,
Homeito Bemek
PS! I found a small mistake in the third session.
I should have started betting one spin earlier so the end-total is really +252 not +254...
I will edit that.
- DONE!
Quote1) Whenever a trigger comes I start betting the trigger and Zero.
2) I bet only to the first win.
3) If I have to make a bet that makes the bank-roll -36 or worse (start = 0) I progress to 2 units on each number.
4) If I have to make a bet that makes the bank-roll -72 or worse I stop.
So the worst case is 71 units lost in one session.
I absolutely think that a longer progression is too dangerous.
I like this idea. Will test it also
I just played this with real money (I know... perhaps not the most intelligent thing in the world to do). I had a BR of 111 units and I followed Homeito's advice: to stop when you lost 71 units.
I played 3 sessions and ended up with 202 units, thus a profit of 91 units. I think this system is worth it. I stopped playing there, for now. Even if i played a fourth session and lost (according to Homeito's advice) I would have walked out with a 20 unit profit.
I also played this on a mini roulette wheel (only 12 numbers and 0) for about 20 sessions just for fun. Man, it was wicked. Although the mini roulette was RNG, I really cashed in big time (so sorry it was only playmoney). Do not drown this system yet.
Hey Babs,
U play this on RNG mate? Watch out! It will figure u out mate.
Nice win though!
Cheers
Jakk
QuoteU play this on RNG mate? Watch out! It will figure u out mate.
Hey, Jakk. Nice hearing from you again. It was just the mini roulette I played with RNG, just for fun :thumbsup: Also it is the fastest way. I know I was lucky. The first game of 3 sessions I played on a live spin wheel (African Palace). I could have gone further but I was just doing a test. Testing on RNG is useless, that is why I tried to play some real money. I have some confidence in this system, although I am not always sure if I understand the whole process correctly.
Well said Homeito. If I followed your rules instead of gaining 200 units in my tests I would have gained just over 500.
The idea is very good. It is just a question of the style of play. Do you like a more attacking game (which carries more risk) or are you a more conservative player. The way I look at it is that winning beats losing. I would rather go home winning 1 unit than losing 500. So that puts me in the conservative camp.
I'm done with this one I think. I need to stick with what wins for me and that is my matrix betting system and my Diodoro Sector Mod. I almost can't lose with those. I was going to add this one to my arsenal but it wasn't just 1 bad game it was 3 terrible games in a row. I just don't see what makes the system balanced or what makes it logical. I have also had several bad tests as well. This just isn't the one for me.
Hey all,
I just read everything between page 7 and 9.
As for the people who saw it tank, it tanked for me to but only once. So of all the sessions i played the winnings cover the loss more than enough. The reason we posted this and we said if from the beginning is that it would open debate to tweak it. I see many of u are allready having good ideas. The balance between the 2 events is good, maybe we can figure out a way of betting that is better.
As for me i started testing this system on a live casino (i'm not going to tell the name) that gave me a 25 euro signup bonus for free ( i think we now know wich casino i'm talking about). i started playing with 0,10 chips, i was pretty lucky because that is only 250 chips. I managed to get that 25 euro to well over 160 using 0,10 cents. Than i saw dozen 1 hit for 8 consecutive spins, i switched tables to higher limits and placed 50 euro on dozen 2 and 3 (i got lucky). So now i was at 210 units. than i kept adjusting my betsize after each session so that i would have a minimum of 500 chips. Than my bankroll started growing. I past the 1000 euro marker, the 1500, even the 2000. Than it was time to read the wagering requirements. I didn't care before because it was a free 25 euro for mee. I needed to wager 3500 euro, i thought wel that's done. But than i continued reading and i saw only bets placed on classic slots games where counted in towards the wagering. So every euro that i made over 2000 euro i putted in slots. This song could'nt last forever and eveantually i lost 500 units. I was playing 2 euro/ chips so that is a 1000 euro.
Bottem line is today i only need to wager 722 euro more and i have a 1000 euro left. I started with 25 euro, u make up you're mind. Was i lucky, i would say in the beginning YES, at the end it seemed like a mathematical system that actually works.
I hope u, me and viper can make it even better. This thread will not remain here for long. I see non members 'guests' monitoring this thread. They get the cake but don't need to give any imput. that doesn't comfort me. Everyone that wanted to read this have, and we can keep debating about it, But essential information about it will be deleted some time today.
Kind Regards,
Skrizy.
Hi Skrizy,
I will surely miss this discussion when it is deleted, but I understand why you are doing it. I was just wondering if you will perhaps add more info in the future when you and Viper improved this method? Thanks again for sharing. I think this can work, but MM will be extremely important
We will not delete the discussion! we will delete essential information about the system. There will be space enough for discussion on this thread. this was the idea, from the beginning. We are working on a flat method, we have been from the start. Its just not good enough yet. Babs nothing stops u from thinking on you're own and putting in some ideas. Even the most crazy idea can lead someone else to finding a good solution!!!
Kind Regards,
Skrizy
Why delete information about the system? It's not like it is some top secret information or something. Nothing new here. I made a note file regarding the system so anyone who would like it just has to PM me. Information must be shared and be made available. This secrecy is nonsense. I have all of the info for anyone who would like to know about the system. Send me a PM and I'll send you the file.
@r_pro
WELL DONE ...u make us feel so bad with what u have just said....as we can see u can t respect anything!!!!!
@jihhnyg thanks very much and u are right to what u said
@homeito good thinking!!!!!
we must all try to find the best money management way to do safest beting in that system......
This system definitely isn't any kind of "secret". Just another system that loses big when it busts...
Shorty recommends: Only play this on fun money! :)
Quote from: viper5 on May 05, 2009, 07:31:44 AM
@r_pro
WELL DONE ...u make us feel so bad with what u have just said....as we can see u can t respect anything!!!!!
@jihhnyg thanks very much and u are right to what u said
@homeito good thinking!!!!!
we must all try to find the best money management way to do safest beting in that system......
Don't feel bad, and please don't feel disrespected. I have the utmost respect for all forum members but I am certainly not a fan of the "give and then take away" school of thought. If you would like to take the information away that is your right and I respect that but I will make it available to those who want it. I won't advertise it, but if someone needs it of course I will help them. We are here to help each other and to remove certain information from the thread will detract from the value of the thread and as such impedes our research and the spirit of giving.
Viper5 and Skrizy,
I have been reading this thread with interest, thanks for the system and all the hard work to test it.
I agree that it is not a "secret" I used a system almost the same, not exactly how you play it, and I'm
sure others have seen something very similar, so I don't think you need to erase it, it's NOT the HG !
You will find that it will have some good winning runs, so to win money with this system DO NOT go
to a progression level of betting. Set a target loss and if you hit it flat betting, STOP !
Start a new session, it should win more than it loses, so you can build your BR if your target loss is low.
Many years ago I played a system to track until you had a repeat number, then a sleeper from a street
that hit the other 2 numbers. I would flat bet ONLY those 2 numbers until they hit, surprisingly I would get
a win before 10 or 12 spins for a profit, then retrack for another session. Again, have a low stop loss level
and you can make a profit long term, but I am not saying it is the HG either ;)
cheers !
hammy
well,
I'm still getting good test results. 1329 spins, +1410 units (76 session, 76 winners). There were a few tough sessions, but overall great stuff. I like the split idea when you start losing... just aim to get half your money back. I had one session were it would have lost more than 500 units, but when I was down -200, I split, and won, then lost a couple more, split again, won... and so forth.
I do believe a bigger BR is required though, because you will lose 500 units on this (I like to have 5000 units as a BR). But I'm still impressed with it so far. Thanks guys.
I'll keep on testing and post results. I won't try any new system until I've tested atleast 10,000 spins, so that's my next goal.
MM
@hammy
very interesting idea...and safe
@mattymats
thanks
Hello Viper5 and Skrizy,
I strongly believe this system of yours can be a winner long term. What hammy say is true, we must take care of the losses. We tend to try and win every session and this put a strong pressure on us while playing for real money. We just refuse to take losses while at the table. I have played MATTJONO's system sometime back and I noticed it hit quite often and the losses can be recovered quite easily. I was betting flat when I played at B&M casino. I have to admit I did not play long enough but I always ended positive. If we try a milder progression on your system we may come out with a long term winner. Lucky Strike use to say "when we lose try to lose less or break even", I strongly agree with him. I have numerous occasion winning day after day and one fine day the casino take everything back plus interest. I suggest we try to work on the stop loss as what hammy mentioned above and make this a long term winner. Anyway thanks for your system, my friend.
Regards
sniper
I just played this method for 50 minutes on jbet but with play money, I doubled my bank in 50 minutes.
I think this would be almost impossible to play here in the US hard to place so many bets in 60 seconds plus double zero wheels any opinions.
It does work but when it don't you in big poop lol.
Stuart
Here is the system for the enjoyment of all of our wonderful forum members. Thanks to Skrizy and Viper for breathing new life into the system and showing us how its done! Enjoy!
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=343 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=343)
U just created a pdf file, scammers will use to sell to unknowing ppl...
Hi guys,
will someone please test this twist on the perfect balance system. I played a few games and I made 51 units in 6 sessions (48 spins in total).
The system rules remain exactly the same, except instead of betting on the numbers, bet on the streets. If one number is sleeping in a street, bet the street. If a number is repeated, bet the street. I also bet on zero everytime (I won one nice bet this way :thumbsup: ). If there is a street with one sleeper and a repeater I bet double units on that street.
When you start betting, take your bankroll and subtract 12: i.e. 100-12=88. 88-12=76. 76-12=64 etc. This determines your progression. When you win, you win 12 units (unless you hit zero). Just before your BR reaches these points add one unit. So just before your BR reaches 88, add one unit to your bets. If you reach 76 (or close to it) with not win, add another unit etc.
Any suggestions
OK i asked everyone to be discreet!!!!
what R_PRO did was the worst thing to do.....
i regreted the moment i disided to expose this......
VICTOR please delete my account now.....
i don t want to be in this site anymore.................
Quote from: RPro75 on May 05, 2009, 12:44:13 PM
Here is the system for the enjoyment of all of our wonderful forum members. Thanks to Skrizy and Viper for breathing new life into the system and showing us how its done! Enjoy!
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=343 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=343)
and why did you share it when viper and skrizy specifically wanted it to remain a little bit discreet? is it your work?
Don't take this personally, i mean, i admire your work, but to post someone else's system and make it downloadable is not correct in my honest opinion. Now the forum has lost 2 valuable members due to your ignorance.
Viper/Skrizy, Thanks for the system, Hope that in the future you will find the HG and NOT SHARE it.
Hi Viper and Skrizy
Don't take it bad, I don't think Rpro had a bad intention. He wasn't conscious that you really want to keep the system discret. He just wanted to do pleasure to other members but forgot to think to your wishes.
Victor , please delete the concerned topic and let's forget that!
guys RPro did a wrong thing because he did what he wasn't ask to do, but every one who wants a system, he can get it just from this thread without reading any pd files... so many test examples and so many questions and answers that, it is clear how system should be played... SO, no big deal... and even if this system is "holy grail" not everyone will use it
HEY GUYS,
FOR THE LACK OF A BETTER WAY TO PUT IT THERE IS REALLY NOTHING NEW IN ROULETTE FOR YOU OR OTHERS TO PROFIT FROM, IF THERE WAS THE CASINOS WOULD GET RID OF IT OR COME UP WITH A COUNTER MEASURE TO PREVENT THEM FROM LOSING MONEY.
THAT WOULD BE ONLINE AND LAND BASED CASINOS, IF YOU GO TO A CASINO AND WIN ON A DAILY BASIS YOU WILL BE GONE IN A WEEK, THERE IS A GUY IN AC WHO PLAYS 100 DOLLAR CHIPS, COVERS ALL THE NUMBERS EXCEPT TWO OR THREE. HE MAKES AROUND 500 DOLLARS A DAY, BUT HE COMES AND GOES VERY DISCREETLY SO THE CASINOS LET HIM SLIP BY CAUSE HE IS QUIET AND UNASSUMING, HE IS A PRO AND DOES A LOT OF WALKING LOL.
HAVING LIKE 14 CASINOS IN THE AREA DOES NOT HURT I AM SURE.
THE ABOVE SYSTEM IS JUST LIKE THE PIVOT SYSTEM, REMEMBER NOTHING IS NEW UNDER THE SUN NOTHING,LOL.
STUART ;D
I FORGOT TO MENTION THE LAYOUT ON THE TABLE HAS NO RESEMBLANCE TO THE ORDER OF NUMBERS ON THE ROULETTE WHEEL, STREETS ARE NOT NEXT TO EACH OTHER, THE TABLE LOOKS NOTHING LIKE THE WAY OR ORDER THE NUMBERS ARE
ON THE WHEEL.
IT IS THAT WAY FOR A GOOD REASON.
I THINK THE ABOVE SYSTEM IS JUST HOT TEMPORARY NUMBERS.
IT IS THAT SIMPLE, THAT BE THE WAY IT IS LOL. >:(
STUART :P
this system can surly be a winner for some people who have the correct money managment and do not risk there bankroll with stupidly steep progressions.
IN THE MEANTIME.
ill doing some testing on finding a different approach and triggers.
1. as soon as we get a full complete street, we bet the number that made up the complete street. bet this number flatbetting and only take your bets of this number when it doesn't hit in 12 spins in a row.
2. As soon as a number hits for the 3rd time, we bet this number. flatbetting this number and only take your chips off when it doesn't hit for 12 spins in a row.
cheers,
mattjono :ok:
P.S going to have to change my profile picture getting bored :boredom:
Quote from: viper5 on May 05, 2009, 01:05:07 PM
OK I asked everyone to be discreet!!!!
what R_PRO did was the worst thing to do.....
I regreted the moment I disided to expose this......
VICTOR please delete my account now.....
I don t want to be in this site anymore.................
Ok, give me a break now. This system is not an original or copyrighted system. Viper and Skrizy did not "invent" this system and many people have played this way. I myself have a system almost exactly identical to this one that I came up with months ago and did not post because it is a bad system and fails far too often. This is an information sharing forum and there is no need to delete posts after 2 days. That is quite childish indeed. You have nothing in this system that is top secret and nothing that has not been done to death. Once you put the post on here it has become information that anyone can use anyway they want. If you did not want other people to have the system because you thought it was a HG then you should not post at all. Dangling a bone in front of a dog then ripping it away is immature behavior. I am sorry if you do not like what I did but I have done nothing wrong. I hope you decide to stay members of the forum because it will be a big loss if you don't but I have to say that I believe I am totally in the right for anything I might have done. Victor himself has shared things with members that have been deleted from the forum by the members themselves. I believe it is because he is of the same belief as myself in that all information should be shared to benefit the greater good.
Quote from: Skrizy on May 05, 2009, 12:56:30 PM
U just created a pdf file, scammers will use to sell to unknowing ppl...
Unfortunately, anybody who buys a system like that deserves what they get. There are hundreds of files of roulette systems on the web and any of them can be used to scam people. All of my systems have been posted here and they can be used by scammers as well, but that does not stop me from posting them for the good of the forum members. Scammers will always find somebody to scam, if not with your system, then with another. You should not let that stop you from posting. If you do, the scammers have won.
Hi guys,
After reading a book on the market called KILLER ROULETTE by Carl Sampson, i have completly gone off systems but was almost there anyway due to never seeing a winning one in the past three years.
Here is a quote from the intro in the book...
"So you thought roulette could'nt be beat? Well you are far from being on your own because the overwhelming majority of people think this as well. On the evolutionary ladder of roulette knowledge, you start off with punters at the bottom who think that they have come up with some foolproof system to beat the game and that they are in possession of knowledge that no one else has. To put it crudely, these people are suffering from delusion and deserve everything they get. The term 'a fool and his money are soon parted' springs to mind.
If i'm being overly critical of these people then forgive me, but i had to endure their crap for nearly ten years (as a croupier) so I'm sure that you will excuse my low opinoin of these pople coupled with the odd rant. Armed with what little they know, how on earth they can believe can overcome a professional industry, or that they discovered a holy grail that has eluded some of the greatest mathaticians on the planet over the past several hundred years is beyond me.
Then we start to move on from the deluded system players to the people who know better. They understand that the house has a undisputed edge and that the structure of the game forbids it from being beaten by any gambling system.
They know the casino offers odds that are in their favour and this edge will eventually defeat even the luckiest of punters. These people are in the overwhelming majority and either never play roulette or they fully understand they can't beat it and only play the game recreationally."
I know some here won't agree with it but its really opened my eyes and just confirmed what my intuiton was telling me from the start... on the bright side though i still love the game and can't wait to read on to see how this game can be beat :spiteful:
C
Cabbage,
sounds like a nice book,
Let us know if it has the grail LOL :thumbsup:
lets keep are heads down boy's and keep on pumping out thoughs systems! everyone in here is after the same thing! let's all help eachother!!! since i have lost my job 6 months ago i have dedicated my time to roulette! and some of these systems in here are very good! i do make good money everyday at this and some of the techneaks and systems in these forums help me! REMEMBER. . . . . . ROULETTE HAS BEEN AROUND A VERY LONG TIME! the things to remember. PLAY WITH NO EMOTION, MONEY MANAGEMENT, PLAY WITH MONEY YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOOSE, STICK TO THE PLAN OR SYSTEM TO THE END!, AND PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE!!!!!!!!!! you guy's all know this!! so lets not get side tracked with the BS!!!!
Has anybody tested this system with flat betting over a period of time? I've only gotten thru 200 spins and so far am still up +52 units with largest downfall @ -33u
Mr. Dyksexlic, I will have you know that my Diodoro Mod is one of the best systems out there right now. You only need to read the posts of some other forum members to know how much they have been winning with it. I won almost $800.00 last month playing quarters. If I had been playing dollar units, I would have made close to $3200.00. I'll put it up against any system you have and it will blow your supposed system away all day.
Quote from: RPro75 on May 05, 2009, 10:14:00 PM
Mr. Dyksexlic, I will have you know that my Diodoro Mod is one of the best systems out there right now. You only need to read the posts of some other forum members to know how much they have been winning with it. I won almost $800.00 last month playing quarters. If I had been playing dollar units, I would have made close to $3200.00. I'll put it up against any system you have and it will blow your supposed system away all day.
And what in your system makes you win?
RPro75, did u post wrong topic? I mean u post this one in this topic - Online RNG Crack. How To Beat RNG Roulette 100% !! - right?
btw, I'm practicing your Dio sector Mod. Thanks again for sharing your systems.
BR,
Trung.
QuoteThis system is not an original or copyrighted system.
...actually it would be, in the United States. As of January 1, 1978, under U.S. copyright law, a work is automatically protected by copyright when it is created. Specifically, "A work is created when it is "fixed" in a copy or phonorecord for the first time."
So technically speaking anytime anyone writes anything original and for the first time, they have copyright protection in the U.S., just so you know.
But ofcourse there is blatant disregard of copyright protection all over the Net, to the point where some people have even put their names on other people's work and sold it as their own (I saw this happen to Dr. Lim who has authored some serious works on roulette and baccarat, and someone took his entire e-book on baccarat and put their own name on it and re-sold it on the Net.)
Bottom line is right or wrong, once anyone puts anything in an email, message board or on a web page they cannot expect it to remain private.
Quote from: celiza427 on May 05, 2009, 08:33:14 PM
Has anybody tested this system with flat betting over a period of time? I've only gotten thru 200 spins and so far am still up +52 units with largest downfall @ -33u
Hi celiza
As far as I am aware no one has tested this, flat betting long term.
Im sure we will all be interested to see your outcome for that.
regards
TSK
hi skrizy
first I'd like to congratulate you for your system seems to be very good (sorry for my bad english)
Is it possible to have one precision please:
when you select numbers in 8 precedent spins, do you continue to play them until hit or only for 8 spins
my second question is: do u always play 0 ?
regards
Quote from: simon on May 06, 2009, 04:15:19 AM
...actually it would be, in the United States. As of January 1, 1978, under U.S. copyright law, a work is automatically protected by copyright when it is created. Specifically, "A work is created when it is "fixed" in a copy or phonorecord for the first time."
So technically speaking anytime anyone writes anything original and for the first time, they have copyright protection in the U.S., just so you know.
But ofcourse there is blatant disregard of copyright protection all over the Net, to the point where some people have even put their names on other people's work and sold it as their own (I saw this happen to Dr. Lim who has authored some serious works on roulette and baccarat, and someone took his entire e-book on baccarat and put their own name on it and re-sold it on the Net.)
Bottom line is right or wrong, once anyone puts anything in an email, message board or on a web page they cannot expect it to remain private.
The key word there being "original". How can it be proved that is an original system? It is obviously not as there is nothing about it that would make it "original". Since roulette bets have been around since the game was invented, one could argue that there is indeed nothing "original" about any roulette system because all they are is a re-hash or variation of bets that have existed since the game itself. I suppose one could argue that the manner in which the bets are placed is what deems the work "original", but then one would have to prove that they were indeed the creator of this method and that they were the first person to think of this. The question is, how can that be proven? How can it be proven that they did not "borrow" the work from someone else as well and that were the first to put this in writing? Also, anyone who takes the work of another and puts their name on it and sells it is a scumbag, plain and simple.
Quote from: ckb18 on May 05, 2009, 07:53:17 PM
REMEMBER. . . . . . ROULETTE HAS BEEN AROUND A VERY LONG TIME! the things to remember. PLAY WITH NO EMOTION, MONEY MANAGEMENT, PLAY WITH MONEY YOU CAN AFFORD TO lose, STICK TO THE PLAN OR SYSTEM TO THE END!, AND PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE!!!!!!!!!!
This is certainly wisdom.
IMO this should be the first line of any topic on this forum.
Or maybe just a permanent qoute in the corner of this site, like the qoutes from Gandhi or something like that.
Would be nice to be constantly reminded of this, everytime we visit this site.
BR
Kingpin
Hello,
Rpro75 and Simon...
There is some misunderstanding here...
You can not copyright a system, method or process. You may apply for a patent for them.
What is copyrighted is the DESCRIPTION of it.
So if Rpro75 explain the system in his OWN words the copyright of the pdf is HIS.
But if he has simply copy-and-pasted text that is not written by him without permission he is violating international copyright laws.
Because you must not publish any one elses words without permission.
That is the principle of copyright.
Best regards,
Homeito Bemek
Quote
REMEMBER. . . . . . ROULETTE HAS BEEN AROUND A VERY LONG TIME! the things to remember. PLAY WITH NO EMOTION, MONEY MANAGEMENT, PLAY WITH MONEY YOU CAN AFFORD TO lose, STICK TO THE PLAN OR SYSTEM TO THE END!, AND PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Kingpin
This is certainly wisdom.
IMO this should be the first line of any topic on this forum.
Or maybe just a permanent qoute in the corner of this site, like the qoutes from Gandhi or something like that.
Would be nice to be constantly reminded of this, everytime we visit this site.
BR
Kingpin
I don't agree with red. That's why most people end up losing and write their systems off as failures. You can't just roll over and let a bad sitution overcome you - you have to adapt.
Quote from: Number Six on May 06, 2009, 09:12:32 AM
I don't agree with red. That's why most people end up losing and write their systems off as failures. You can't just roll over and let an bid sitution overcome you - you have to adapt.
Well isn't that why we have the MONEY
MANAGEMENT?
First session i won on third spin , second session i won on fourth spin. Looks a good system to me. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Kingpin
Well isn't that why we have the MONEY
MANAGEMENT?
Well, no. MM is important, however, most people's systems don't compensate for randomness, which is why they seem to fail. People design systems that pivot on one event, and if that event doesn't happen within the limits of your BR or stop-loss then it screws up the session. Randomness is randomness, but it produces visible sequences. Look at the martingale - it will work if the random sequences are choppy, that is if the e/cs are alternating a lot. But if you are betting red and the black begins to dominate over a long cycle, then it fails and you've lost your shirt. That's why the martingale is ridiculous...it can't cope with raw randomness. A system should have multiple bets built into it, one to capitalise on each different sequence the wheel throws out. When the outcomes turn hostile to one bet, they will by default suit another. All you have to do is identify when the shifts are happening and act accordingly. Surely you have seen one man at the table cleaning up while another is on the phone remortgaging his house? I'm not telling you you're wrong or anything like that, it's just the way it is.
Quote from: Number Six on May 06, 2009, 08:11:50 PM
Well, no. MM is important, however, most people's systems don't compensate for randomness, which is why they seem to fail. People design systems that pivot on one event, and if that event doesn't happen within the limits of your BR or stop-loss then it screws up the session. Randomness is randomness, but it produces visible sequences. Look at the martingale - it will work if the random sequences are choppy, that is if the e/cs are alternating a lot. But if you are betting red and the black begins to dominate over a long cycle, then it fails and you've lost your shirt. That's why the martingale is ridiculous...it can't cope with raw randomness. A system should have multiple bets built into it, one to capitalise on each different sequence the wheel throws out. When the outcomes turn hostile to one bet, they will by default suit another. All you have to do is identify when the shifts are happening and act accordingly. Surely you have seen one man at the table cleaning up while another is on the phone remortgaging his house? I'm not telling you you're wrong or anything like that, it's just the way it is.
A mix, or "arsenal" of different systems is an excellent way to attack the table. Many times, I have run two systems simultaneously and where one misses, the other will hit.
Is there another people who tested this system? I'm interested by the results
I have tested 15 sessions for no loss on DB. I like to wait until about the 15th spin. On a win i re-track from the last 10 numbers and start again.
THATS WHY I SAID PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE. YOU DONT GO TO THE CASINO NOT BEING PREPAIRED!! STICK TO THE SYSTEM TO THE END DONT CHANGE THE PLAN THAT YOU PRACTICED! GET IT.
meaning end of the system not your bank roll.
Only programming the system with Roulette Xtreme u ave results, using real imported permanence.
I am having this system coded for Roulette Xtreme (but instead of the coding betting with the amounts viper mentioned it is betting with amounts that I have been playing this system with, so it's different although the bets are placed in the same places) and will have the results for you guys soon. I will also post the . dgt file for those of you who have Roulette Extreme. Hoping for good stuff on this one, although maybe first I should have had it coded to bet the way Viper suggested. . . hmmm. . .
ok, post the . dgt please :)
Well, I must say Viper definitely had something with the Perfect Balance System Idea. I had it programmed for RXtreme (with my modifications made to it, so it's not quite the same system) and I just put it through it's paces for 4500 spins in the automated spin mode in RXtreme. After it AutoSpun 4500 times I stopped it and looked at where I was at and these are the results:
+2977 units...well I really don't know what else to say, because it's really quite unbelievable. For those of you who can't believe it I have uploaded the betting history of all four thousand five hundred spins so you can see for yourself...incredible.
I am testing this system and I'm currently at almost +500 units after 10 sessions (of around 40 spins). I had one loss (-500). So I think its pretty good!!
Rjeaton, how do you play the system? Do you think it's better than the original?
Vix
Rjeaton i for 1 more would to see the system you are having good results with thanks for reading good punting , Colin
rj, download 40-50000 boules from one casinò and test our program. 40 or 4500 boules is nothing. After a positive test in 50000 boules, test it in 200000 and post results. cya.
i see still alot of interest in the system me and viper designed. 4500 spins is good but for the long term we would nee something like 100K spins (se we can see if the wins recover the losses).
@rjeaton could u post the changes u made, i would like to test it!!!
Everyone thx for the support.
Kind Regards.
You guys were right... :( I ran this system (with my modifications) for 100,000 spins last night while I slept and when I woke up my BR was -6000 units. Although not a bad loss for 100,000 spins haha. But for those of you who would like to check this out I have posted the .dgt file in the downloads section (and at the bottom of this post) under modifiied perfect balance system. Keep in mind it's in .txt format because I cannot upload .dgt files so you will have to copy and paste it into the system editor and then save it as the modified perfect balance system. I will have the coding changed to match vipers system exactly and see the results that way. But in the meantime these are the modifications to the system as I played it:
Track 15 Spins, if there are no full streets and no number hit 3 times then place bets (always betting the zero)
the aggression level is set to 50 when us RXtreme and opening this .dgt
The program increase your bets until you win or you hit $100 max bet on each number (not hunting the first win with $1 bets and then increasing your bet to an amount sufficient to bring your BR to a profit and not quitting when you are down $500)
Hope you guys enjoy this .dgt file because although I lost, it shows a lot of promise!
I just want to let you guys know that I had the system coded by the awesome people over at UX Software. They actually had to modify RXTreme for me because my formula for deciding the bet amounts involved rounding a number up or down and RXtreme didn't have support for that. (oh, and also I added the modified perfect balance system to the RXtreme coding section in the downloads section. They do allow me to upload .dgt files there so I uploaded it in correct form)
So, in only two days, they coded the system for me and changed RXtreme's coding so that it would do what I needed it too, then sent me a special download link of the new BETA Version of RXtreme so I could see what my system could do. Come to think of it...I don't think you guys will be able to accurately test this with your version of RXtreme...
But, there is a solution. When you guys open the .dgt file in RXtreme it says "aggression level" set that to whatever number you'd like, but add 0.5 to it. That should fix it (although not perfectly.) Keep in mind the higher the aggression level, the less aggressive you are actually being (and vice versa). Whatever number that is is the divisor in the formula below: (30 in the example below would be the aggression level)
(bankroll at start of current betting session - (current bankroll - current bet layout))/30=bet amount (rounded up to the nearest whole number)
Hello ppl....
I like that u still like my system...but I have to tell u somethings
these things I am gonna tell isn t abou the system BUT for every math system that is for roulette.
rule of roulette:Roulette is producing RANDOM numbers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and that is her power and kills all the sytems!
thats why the casino have the edje.
so even with the perfect ballance system(that is so unique and powerfull)u can t win the roulette couse when u win u win average 15 chips and when u lose u lose 500!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know that u will tell me(as I thought )that if win is more than lose its a good system....
but the thing that roulette is unpredictable couse its random makes u DO NOT know when the lose will come!!!
so u can play 2 sessons and lose 1000chips!
or u can play it for 2 years and never lose and win 100000chips.
will u risk it....I won t..(even thought I have withdrow 700 wining chips from a online casino with my system).
so that make us tell that the reason we win so many sessons in this system is n from the magic ballance!!
is because we bet a lot of spins with a lot of numbers.
if u will test it that way:
do not look at the events...and just put the amound of chips that u would bet with the system,but in any place of the table!!!!u will have exactle the same resaults
and let me tell u 1 more time why this will happen!!!!!
COUSE ROULETE IS RANDOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!
I hope I helped u.
I know it was bad to tell u that couse I cut ur wings but I more care about not lose money....
no system is good....
couse of the edje of the roulette!!!!!
Viper, then why did u put so much effort into designing the system? You seemed so convinced that this was "it", what made you change your mind?
Regards,
Vix
He realised what you will all realise in time; roulette can't be beaten by a system, and it never will be.
I don't understand also your reaction, Viper. Before you was proud of this system and now it seems you want to compromise this system. Maybe because you want it discret and we don't play it???
Seems to do well so far on bet365 wheel. Get a lot of 3 repeats on that wheel. I try to hold out as long as possible around the 15th spin and also helps if there is a nice even distribution of numbers hit in each of the 3 dozens before placing bets.
@ sed 82
@@@ vix
lol....u mates are a little slow i think!
@
shorty explained exactly what i told above!
i didn t post that this sytem is bad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(i said that ..didn t I? >:()
i said that ANY system based in maths can t win!
please try to read my posts 100 times befor u reply ok?
but if u insist on playng roulette with maths systems...no doubt this is the best by far!!!!
but i adviced u never to play again systems............
Dude relax, i'm just new to this. I didn't even know there was a different way of playing roulette other than systems. But now I realise I should look more into Advantage play :scratch_ones_head:
So. . . why again did you put so much effort into it?
couse i was in the place that u are
OK, well thanx. . . for opening my eyes (some credit goes to shorty) :good:
Vix