:lol:
You might think this one is Nutty, until you test it.
Whatever you are up for the week, take half.
The goal is to double half your winnings in about 30 minutes.
You need an outcome to start, so place 1 unit on each of the three
dozens and 1 unit on each of the three columns and a bet on 0 to cover.
After the outcome click "rebet". Whichever dozen/column hits , move the two dozen bets
that did not hit to the come dozen and the two column bets that did not hit
to the come column and place 1 unit again on each of the unhit dozens and columns.
Of course, if you already have an outcome you can place 3 units on the come
dozen and column and 1 unit on the unhit dozens and columns.
It should be obvious you are betting for a dozen and/or column to repeat. After each loss
(a loss being a dozen/column outcome that does not have the big bet on it) click "rebet"
and move the losing bets to the come dozen/column bet and add 1 unit to the unhit dozens/columns.
You can continue in this fashion until you decide you have won enough or you lose your stake.
I'll leave when to reset up to you, basically it boils down to the size of you bankroll and how
invincible your feeling at the time.
It's a system dependent on luck, dozens/columns repeating that is, but when it hits, it hits big.
Lee
P.S. Always cover the zero.
Google translator had problems with this.......
Is can non exsisto reddo Mr RobbieD
To bet one unit on all three dozen to start is a VERY BAD start. You got to think of something better than that....
Insider
Hello Sir,
If you need an outcome to base a bet put 1 on red and 1 on black.
You might have missed the point. To play this you need an outcome to start.
The first bet is place 3 units on the come dozen and column and 1 unit on the unhit dozens and columns.
As long as the drop is on the dozen OR column with the high bet you profit.
If the drop does not land on either dozen or column, with the high bet, you move the two
losing dozens/column bets to the winnings dozen/column and place 1 unit again on the losers.
If the drop lands on one dozen or column, with the high bet, you move the two losing bets to the
losing dozen/column and place 1 unit again on the losers.
It's a progression play betting for a doz/col repeat.
Regards,
Lee
Haven't fully tested it yet, but I was able to win on it. . . $40-$50 in 20 minutes. . .
Peter
:thumbsup:
Hi leroy! :)
What sense should it make to bet 1 unit on the unhit doz/col? Wouldn´t it be the same to bet only 2 units on the winning doz/col and rise the bet with every spin by 2 units, always following the winning col/doz? I can´t see an advantage in this, even if we cover the zero, a zero win would be a little bigger without betting the unhit doz/col?
Hi Leroy,
Thanks for the post, interesting, but, If I've tested it right (the losses are always transferred to the previous dozen or column, the unhit are always covered with 1 unit), when the zero hits, we hold the bet, then this is a sure looser. OK, there are small "islands" where you win, but overall it is a loser.
Please note I resetted a cycle as soon as I was in profit, this was on average after 6.79 spins (I'm sure that some people will start thinking of hit 'n run, before they do that, have a look at the chart + think 10 minutes what this means, knowing that I simulated a hit 'n run....)
reddwarf
I think you guys are right. This one is going in the trash can.
I appreciate your comments and expertise.
There is a system posted by BarCode at Situational / Strategy play.
Betting on just one dozen. It looks a lot smarter than my Nutty Dozen System.
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=18983.0 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=18983.0)
You should proberly change the topic name now xD :D
Another jab James?
I play online. Advantage play is of little use to me.
I can't be effective at observing the wheel and tracking the ball.
The physical aspects also have little use to me. I have no idea where
on the wheel the ball is released, or the differences of the speed of the
wheel and the speed of the ball upon release from spin to spin, which must
change. And if it changes, even a miniscule amount, the outcome is hard to
track sitting in my recliner.
I read through your posts and a lot of them are argumentative, condescending
and negative, which I would expect from a 22 year. But I have yet to find an
original thread from you describing a method you play, or even an idea of
a system.
A statement you posted that I can agree with you is, "You can't beat roulette
with probability".
I'm a creative person and I am determined to find a method that works more
often than not. I post my system ideas for others to test and critique and I
understand I may get negative comments. If the idea doesn't hold up for the
long-run then it's trashed.
I'm really not a sensitive person, that is, until you cross the line with unnecessary
and unproductive comments. I don't know, maybe I'm overreacting again.
Lee
P.S. Look for a new thread here in the next few days. I made $340 in less than an
hour tonight. I need to test some more. The beauty of this Method is NO progression on a loss.
leroy,
Just ignore all negative points thrown at you. If you have made your plan of play and played your plan and have come out ahead that`s all that matters.
If you lose once in while well those things do happen.NO system is infallible. As for my part I am prevented from playing with real money on line.
Then again I like the atmosphere of a B & M casino and whatever comes with it. That`s where MM discipliine is of paramount importance.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Leeroy! I'm just kidding around with you mate. I am not disrespecting you. I am sorry if it looked that way.
And i do not mean to be condisending in other posts. It just winds me up when chaps go on about something they do not truly know the facts about.
I am not here to be flash or be rude. I am straight as a dice.
I believe you.
To be honest, I am one who does not know ALL the facts
about the game, but I'm learning.
Being an Aries I tend to follow the Ram's way of smashing
through obstacles, and sometimes people.
I'm sorry I called you argumentative, condescending
and negative.
Happy Winning Brothers!
Lee
What do You do if You placed on 2nd dozen 5 units and came 14 for example. Do You restart stake to 1 unit or continue 5 or add 5+1 unit+1?
Lee you make a basic failure. You Dena the maths. Every system follows the law of the big numbers .The roulette has an Expected Value.For this reason the results of long run test are predictable. The EV of the France roulette is lying between 1,35 and 2,7.
Only a strategy can beat the roulette. A strategy consist in small special samples.
All these small samples together is not a random row.This is why a strategy can beat the roulette.A positive result depends also on the experience of the player.
The knowledge of the features of random sequences can help you to develop a profitable strategy.
Wikm, I would always follow the winner, betting for a repeat.
If my large bet was on 2nd doz and 2nd col and 14 hit I reset, which would be
1 unit on 1st/3rd doz
3 units on 2nd doz
1 unit on 1st and 3rd col
3 units on 2nd col
Any hit on a doz OR col with the large bet is a profit. Hit BOTH for bigger return.
I think I understand you schoenpoetser. "A strategy consists of small special samples"
The more I play the more I see outcomes like the waves on a beach, ebb and flow,
sometimes the surf comes in a little more, sometimes not so much, sometimes it brings
a piece of wood, sometimes a shell, sometimes debris.
A method must NOT attempt to force a win through a large progression.
The last few days I've been viewing outcomes as waves on a beach.
I WAIT. RRR I bet B. OOO I bet E. LLL I bet H. I wait for 3 E/C's in a row and
bet the opposite. Double on a loss, reset. On a win I bet half the profit from the
win on a repeat, then wait for a new trigger.
Thank you.
I'd like to add something...
With a single zero wheel, the odds are 19 to 18 against red coming up
(as well as black, odd, or even). That gives one a 48.6% shot at hitting
any of them; not far from 50-50. But as you press on, the house edge
begins to grind away at you. After just 15 wagers, your mathematical
chance to have won more bets than you lose would be down to 45%.
And after 100 bets, the probability of being ahead drops off to 35%.
If you keep at it, you'll eventually have virtually no chance at all of being ahead.
You have to set a specific stop loss to protect yourself on the days you
are unlucky. Likewise you also have to set a stop when your bets are hitting
because the longer you play (more wagers) the lower your win percentage gets.
I started a thread that takes advantage of this mathematical negative by
increasing 1 Unit on a loss and decreasing 1 Unit on a win. If you win 5 out of 10
you still profit 5 Units.
Something to explore further...
Lee
Hi.
Leroy Please explain exact betting on example of 8 spins.
I wouldn't put my hard-earned cash on this bet but I would use
half my profits for the week.
Example 1 - A Loss
Number out is 4 (1st Doz/1st Col)
Bet 3 units on 1st Doz/1st Col
Bet 1 each on remaining 2 Dozs
Bet 1 each on remaining 2 Cols
So, all Dozs and Cols have a bet for a total of 10 units (3,3,1,1,1,1)
The bet is on a repeat.
If the next outcome is 24 (loss) I move all bets on the Dozs to the 2nd Doz
and all bets on the Cols to the 3rd Col and place 1 unit on the unhit Doz's/Col's
Bet 5 units on 2nd Doz
Bet 5 units on 3rd Col
Bet 1 each on remaining 2 Dozs
Bet 1 each on remaining 2 Cols
So, all Dozs and Cols have a bet for a total of 14 units (5,5,1,1,1,1)
Again, I'm betting on a repeat on 24.
If the next outcome is 20 (win on Doz/loss on Col) I only move the Col bet
or reset if bankroll is at a new high.
Bet 5 units on 2nd Doz
Bet 7 units on 2nd Col
Bet 1 each on remaining 2 Dozs
Bet 1 each on remaining 2 Cols
So, all Dozs and Cols have a bet for a total of 16 units (5,7,1,1,1,1)
If you test this you will find as long as a Doz OR Col with the high bet
hits you profit but you may not reach a new high after several progressions.
When both Doz and Col with high bet hits you profit big. But if you don't get
a repeat you will bust your bankroll. When you get to a new bankroll high reset.
I've never gone to an 8 spin loss on both Doz's or Col's. I usually hit after 5 losses
in a row, if not the progression after 5 is more than I'm willing to risk.
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Example 2 - A Win
Number out is 4 (1st Doz/1st Col)
Bet 3 units on 1st Doz/1st Col
Bet 1 each on remaining 2 Dozs
Bet 1 each on remaining 2 Cols
So, all Dozs and Cols have a bet for a total of 10 units (3,3,1,1,1,1)
The bet is on a repeat.
If 7 drops you profit 8 units.
If you get a hit on a Doz OR Col with the high bet you profit 2 units.
So just continue with the 3,3,1,1,1,1 bet with the high bet on the
Doc and Col that drops.
I can't see how I can explain it any easier.
Good Luck!
I don't understand why people cant and won't understand that you cannot beat this game betting on outsidebets.
ReDs ....
I am in total agreement with your statement. :ok:
Outside bets are like " waterboarding" a bankroll. :diablo:
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Nice example :D
Quote from: ReDsQuaD on November 20, 2011, 04:50:01 PM
I don't understand why people cant and won't understand that you cannot beat this game betting on outsidebets.
Can I ask how you know this for sure ?
Quote from: xman1970 on November 20, 2011, 10:13:26 PM
Can I ask how you know this for sure ?
Becuase its fact. Once you learn this, you can progress.
Then its a case of how far you can progess.
Quote from: ReDsQuaD on November 20, 2011, 10:19:04 PM
Becuase its fact. Once you learn this, you can progress.
Then its a case of how far you can progess.
Yikes !!! You n me live in 2 different worlds.....
Yours appears to be black n white while mine is a million shades of grey......
IF it is a fact then, why do you think that the guy who has helped you win (Mr.Stevie H) offers an 100k challenge over 1million spins on RNG for a winning system ?
Why is his mind open to the possibility ? After all HE has progressed ?
Quote from: xman1970 on November 20, 2011, 10:41:25 PM
Yikes !!! You n me live in 2 different worlds.....
Yours appears to be black n white while mine is a million shades of grey......
IF it is a fact then, why do you think that the guy who has helped you win (Mr.Stevie H) offers an 100k challenge over 1million spins on RNG for a winning system ?
Why is his mind open to the possibility ? After all HE has progressed ?
Yes I agree. We do live in different worlds.
But I can answer that question. Its quite simple, the challenge is for RNG - Which is mostly likely never going to be beaten.
If you had done research, you would realize that beating roulette is all about physics.
This is why there is no 100 k challenge for real wheels. (Kinda obvious)
Quote from: ReDsQuaD on November 20, 2011, 10:51:58 PM
Yes I agree. We do live in different worlds.
Yep of that there is no doubt
But I can answer that question. Its quite simple, the challenge is for RNG. Which is mostly likely never going to be beaten.
So why is Steve doing it then ? As in why do you think Steve is doing it ?
If you had done research, you would realize that beating roulette is all about physics.
I'm sure you can using your mobile/cell phone it just doesn't appeal to me. My blood pressure is high enough without the fear of getting caught out!!!
This is why there is no 100 k challenge for real wheels. (Kinda obvious)
Because people with your kinda mobile/cell phone CAN win that challenge, yes i get that.....
If you could try n answer my last question from my last post that would be appreciated.....
Why is his mind open to the possibility ? After all HE has progressed ?
Sorry but i don't understand what you mean.
He's mind open to the possibility of what? :blink:
Quote from: ReDsQuaD on November 20, 2011, 11:04:59 PM
Sorry but I don't understand what you mean.
He's mind open to the possibility of what? :blink:
That roulette can be beaten via something OTHER than the "physics" of the game......
Quote from: xman1970 on November 20, 2011, 11:07:29 PM
That roulette can be beaten via something OTHER than the "physics" of the game......
Yes.
Lite
Uber
Hybrid computers.
I think you are a bit confused. Its still all about psychics, that's how these devices work.
Quote from: ReDsQuaD on November 20, 2011, 11:10:38 PM
Yes.
Lite
Uber
Hybrid computers.
Ok, looks like you just don't wish to answer my question so I will leave it be......
No point in banging my head against a virtual brick wall.....
Quote from: xman1970 on November 20, 2011, 11:14:36 PM
Ok, looks like you just don't wish to answer my question so I will leave it be......
No point in banging my head against a virtual brick wall.....
I anwserd your question already.
I cannot make it more clear.
Quote from: ReDsQuaD on November 20, 2011, 11:17:18 PM
I anwserd your question already.
I cannot make it more clear.
Nope you didn't, but like I said let's just let sleeping dogs lie eh ?
That's it from me on this thread, I have no desire to go round n round in circles...... :nono:
Quote from: xman1970 on November 20, 2011, 11:20:58 PM
Nope you didn't, but like I said let's just let sleeping dogs lie eh ?
That's it from me on this thread, I have no desire to go round n round in circles...... :nono:
No need to be so condescending. I am trying to be helpfull here. You asked me, so i told you.
That's all i can do.
Hey James, Aren't using computers illegal in casinos?
Why is his mind open to the possibility? I don't think it is. That's
why there is a challenge. And I think the challenge is only open
to RNG because a lot of people feel RNG processes betting history
and the software is programed to ALWAYS insure the casino profits.
So you make a 100k bet against a play you do not believe works on
a machine you fell is probably rigged. And JUST in case it does work
and you win the 100K Challenge?
Read it here - nolinks://nolinks.genuinewinner.com/100k.html (nolinks://nolinks.genuinewinner.com/100k.html)
Those that say betting outside is a suckers bet do so because
betting the table is not the same as betting the wheel. The numbers
on the wheel are not in a 0-36 succession order like the table.
Those that bet the wheel (inside) are standing next to it. They clock the
wheel, watch dealer signature for bias, and bet after ball release based on
release position and an expected sector drop based on release position,
wheel speed and ball speed.
I've addressed the physics involved before. The shear variables involved in
using the physical characteristics of each spin to predict an outcome is near
impossible playing online.
If you can not effectively clock the wheel playing online then in order to bet
inside you have to use some type of Gamblers Fallacy and use past results to
make your bet. Or you can pick a couple numbers at random and bet them
every spin using a progression until you win or bust.
Outside bets require patience and personal control. You must wait for the
proper triggers, follow a strict positive and negative progression and stick
to the right money management, which incorporates effective stops, getting
in and out when you lose and win.
History is full of those who thought this or that, is not, can not, and will never be, possible.
At this point in my journey I'm not willing to accept defeat.
An interesting read is the Ten Commandments Of Gambling
nolinks://wizardofodds.com/gambling/tencom.html (nolinks://wizardofodds.com/gambling/tencom.html)
Quote from: leroy on November 20, 2011, 11:49:08 PM
Hey James, Aren't using computers illegal in casinos?
About 50% of the world they are legal,most of europe. If your caught in the USA you could be doing jail time.
Why is his mind open to the possibility? I don't think it is. That's
why there is a challenge. And I think the challenge is only open
to RNG because a lot of people feel RNG processes betting history
and the software is programed to ALWAYS insure the casino profits.
The chalenge excists becuase RNG has not yet been beaten.
So you make a 100k bet against a play you do not believe works on
a machine you fell is probably rigged. And JUST in case it does work
and you win the 100K Challenge?
Read it here - nolinks://nolinks.genuinewinner.com/100k.html (nolinks://nolinks.genuinewinner.com/100k.html)
Those that say betting outside is a suckers bet do so because
betting the table is not the same as betting the wheel. The numbers
on the wheel are not in a 0-36 succession order like the table.
Yes. When I look at a roulette wheel, all I see is pockets with numbers writen on.
Those that bet the wheel (inside) are standing next to it. They clock the
wheel, watch dealer signature for bias, and bet after ball release based on
release position and an expected sector drop based on release position,
wheel speed and ball speed.
I've addressed the physics involved before. The shear variables involved in
using the physical characteristics of each spin to predict an outcome is near
impossible playing online.
I am not sure where you read this, but I can tell you its not impossible. Far from impossible. Why would it be different? All you need is a clear feed to that wheel.
If you can not effectively clock the wheel playing online then in order to bet
inside you have to use some type of Gamblers Fallacy and use past results to
make your bet. Or you can pick a couple numbers at random and bet them
every spin using a progression until you win or bust.
Outside bets require patience and personal control. You must wait for the
proper triggers, follow a strict positive and negative progression and stick
to the right money management, which incorporates effective stops, getting
in and out when you lose and win.
History is full of those who thought this or that, is not, can not, and will never be, possible.
At this point in my journey I'm not willing to accept defeat.
An interesting read is the Ten Commandments Of Gambling
nolinks://wizardofodds.com/gambling/tencom.html (nolinks://wizardofodds.com/gambling/tencom.html)