Help please

[Pillow head]

Hi guys just wandering if someone could help me with this. If I have (4 main numbers) to lose from what are the odds one of them numbers will show up within 10 spins if I play a European wheel.
Also how do you all feel about playing rgn wheels? I have played a little rgn lately and find it to be very unfair although I may have just been caught on the wrong side of random (doubt it tho)! I only play them because they are a lot faster and have a lot lower minimum stake. Do you guys no any other live wheel with stakes as low as 0.10p.

Thanks

[Steve]

See nolinks.genuinewinner.com/truth.html that explains how you can and cannot win roulette

[chrisbis]

Do you guys no any other live wheel with stakes as low as 0.10p.

There are a few...........William Hill for one. (inside & outside)
Celtic Casino (inside numbers only)
Fairway         (   "            "         "   )
Castle           (    "           "         "   )

There are some more too.

Register at Latest Casino Bonuses site, and they usually have all the stats for the various casinos.
Cheers

[Pillow head]

Thank you both. Do any of you play or have an opinion on playing rng vs live wheel?

[Proofreaders2K]

I play RNG real money and Live Wheels (Fun Money)

Live wheels (Celtic American Wheel and Dublinbet Euro) are my preference
because unlike RNG their biases show over time (regardless of whose dealer).

If you really want to try RNG Roulette I understand BetVoyager is the most honest.

[Pillow head]

I have played at betvoyager quite recently and although it might of just been bad luck I managed to lose quite abit. The reason I asked wether people prefer rng vs live wheel is because I enjoy the fast spins of rng but refuse to believe they are 100% genuine. For example when I tried to double check my numbers on betvoyager (after a lot of iffy spins) it said unable to check at this time, which made me think unfair! But who knows.

Have you had any success playing rng yourself? How come you play live wheel only with free mode?

Thanks

[chrisbis]

How come you play live wheel only with free mode?

Because he is an American, and they are not* allowed to play for real on sites out of their country.
(there may be an odd exception, but then they can not get their money out easy)

*at the moment!

[Pillow head]

Betvoyager are dirty cheats.

PLEASE DON'T GIVE THEM YOUR MONEY

[ADulay]

Betvoyager are dirty cheats.

PLEASE DON'T GIVE THEM YOUR MONEY

OK, coming from a newer user, this story should prove interesting.

Would you care to elaborate?

AD

[ausguy]

Mr.P head - You're searching for the impossible. Live wheel, low stakes, fast spins, fast answers for winning results. If you're in the USA then even more difficult with your countries far too restrictive International gambling money transfer laws?

Everything fast tracked. Reluctant to do your homework with so much info. available on the forums. The SEARCH icon up top near the orange HOME logo is gold to find answers.

Look up things such as Cheating RNG, MM (money management), BR (bank roll), Progressions, BV plays (Bet Voyager). On the forum look at bet strategies that use more than 4 numbers to increase your win odds. There was a new post today from Steve that included a suggested USA casino.

As to your odds question. The base Euro wheel calc. is 4/37 or 10.8% to WIN & 33/37 or 89.2% to LOSE. The last part = a show of any of those numbers within 10 spins can't really be answered as each spin is a random event. You can check records of spins to see the variations.

Some tables on your plays may see your numbers SLEEP for 80 - 100 + spins ? Other times some of your numbers may repeat multiple times within 10 spins ?

I think your betting play ideas are flawed. That is the idea that huge numbers of small amounts will give you worthwhile profits without risking too much money.
As you've already experienced the only winner has been the casino.  1c/2c poker/slot machines do similar as they slowly but surely whittle away at the players credits.

I subscribe to the opposite of your play. That is a big fat bankroll & a fractional profit goal off a workable bet number choice & progression.

Mr. J talks about these things in his very recent posts. He finds success at real casinos on live dealer tables. Success is to consistantly win more than you lose day after day after week after month etc. Wages/salary type earnings rather than PEANUTS.

Also lets see if you're a "stayer" on the forum as you develop your gambling discipline or like most "NEWBIES" that only briefly visit here & then flutter away like a butterfly in the futile search for rapid easy answers as they continually curse the cheating spin results ?

[Pillow head]

OK, coming from a newer user, this story should prove interesting.

Would you care to elaborate?


ADulay sure. Basically I was practising in demo mode for roughly a month using a strategy with a mild progression (not a fan of progressions although I believe you cannot win long term with out one).While practising i had not lost using my strategy. I play the no 0 wheel and cover roughly 80% of the table. I have noticed the progression kills your BR more on real mode rather than free play. I have played live wheel quite a lot over the last 5 years and I feel I no when an rng is taking the out of me. Ovcourse I have no proof that BV is fixed it is just a strong feeling I get while playing. Also since I have played there the random results checker has NOT worked once. Any way it's just my experience and I was just trying to give ppl a heads up.

Thanks

[Pillow head]

Ausguy thank you for your detailed reply. You are totally right about searching for the impossible. BV is just used for fast play and low stakes and is pretty convenient. I am based in the uk so no worries about gambling laws for me etc.

I am not reluctant to do my homework at all I have researched roulette for years then had a break and now came back to try my luck again. My ideas may be flawed I am not sure after all roulette is a game of personal preference and can at times make you think your onto something good.

I also believe a big fat BR is needed and a small win % is the way to play for consistant winnings. Yes I am a newbie to the forum but not the game itself and will be sticking around dont worry . If you don't mid me asking how many numbers do you bet? Are you up in the long run.

Thanks

[ausguy]

PH - I play the even chance bets on live dealer roulette only, never RNG.  I'm down here here in OZZ & currently play live on line at Party Casino (PC). Latvian dealers, Malta admin. & UK owned. Bet limits ECs 2GBP - 2,500GBP a range better than most.

Since last month I've been using (for me) a fat BR of 1,000GBP. My dollars always gets converted to quids for play. An extra bonus is the 66% exchange rate leverage on win withdrawals. To date I've transferred 3,200GBP back to my OZZ a/c.

I still have my 1kGBP BR plus 460GBP in my PC a/c. So all very positive as I'm now in a no lose situation even if my current a/c tanks to nil.

In earlier months prior to my fat BR start in July last I spent a lot of time testing & tweaking my bet sheet. I bet Martingale with stop loss nil money virtual bets when the progressions climb. I also have a randomly chosen same/opposite directed bet prompts. I use the last spun as the bet trigger. I bet the 3 even chance choices in sequence.

So far my randomness has been successful. The guided betting takes a lot of stress out of the play as it virtually eliminates emotional betting decisions, a failing of all too many, including myself in the past.

I also put zero insurance cover bets at the higher levels.  So far all is good. I've had no losing sessions, some break even sessions & many profitable plays as already mentioned.

The road ahead is looking very positive.

ps - have you done any study/testing on the Guetting progression comparison chart ?

[Pillow head]

Thanks for sharing ausguy. Wish you luck for the future. Am I understanding correctly that you bet 1 even chance at a time using the martingale? Sorry if I misunderstood. I have not used the guetting progression personally but do believe it has its place for sure. I'm actually going to look back at this approach as I can't remember the whole thing.

[ausguy]

PH -Yes 1 EC bet per spin. In order H or L then O or E then R or B as directed by the same or opposite preset.

What's interesting with the Guetting comparison chart is how it limits your losses on a bad run. The comparo has Marty & the other main progressions.

Keep in mind Guetting was around about 100 years ago so the 1.5 amount he could use then probably doesn't fit the table limits of today ? Like at Party Casino & their 2 quid minimum, so all his numbers would be x2 to get a whole number on the 1.5 & keep all the Level ratios the same.

[ausguy]

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