Hi People, i have just been cheated at dublinbet live roulette, i have placed a bet of 11 euro x number on 12 numbers, i was following a progression, at the high-limit roulette n.1, and the 4 has came up, it was one of mine, but they didn't pay me...the dealer simon took the money from the players, but no money x me....and after they said that the table was close and currently random number generation...yeah right just when i did the high progression and even won the bet, and they don't pay me...i'm really disgusted about this. i'll take the money away and i'll not play anymore in there, no point to play when they do like this....i'm really really upset, i have lost 246 euro on a progression that i have won....
I have sent a email to them, there is no live support...so i don't really know what to think...i supposed that dublinbet they were honesty and serious...my faith on the roulette is less than zero now....
Ivo
Hi, I was playing at that same time, I saw that 4 spin up.
I was in fun mode, on the low limit table. I had a bet on
black, and wasn't paid. Did you notice that 4 didn't show
on the marquee? Then they changed to RNG mode.
I'm pretty sure it was a computer error, I doubt they'd
cut everyone's connection to cheat you out of 246 euros.
Sucks that happened to you, though...
Yeah i have seen it, and of course i didn't bet on the rgn mode...the point is the number 4 come up, and it was normal, and after the server has lost the connection as they said, but just after, not before has they have said on the email reply...if the server has got lost before bet i can understand, but to not put on the sistem the number just spun is behind any reason...if is like that is too easy x excuse, so that mean everytime that i'm on progression not only i have to worry x my numbers to came up, but even x the connection...i'm waiting to get another reply from them, because i have confirmed that my bet was before and the number 4 was winner, ho can i trust them now..??
If i play roulette live, sometime i would like to win, and if when i win i don't get the winnings...
Ivo
It just happened. Why don't you cool down and sent them a e-mail concerning what happend. I'm pretty sure they will refund your money. We're not talking abouth a hugh amount of money here. It surely is depressing for you to lose that money.
Yeah i already did, sent 2 emails to reply, because i wasn't happy with their explanation...they have told me that they will check the logs well and they'll get back to me, things like that they shouldn't happen, because is pretty upsetting when a winning bet is switched to a lose bet...
I'm calm but disappointed, 262 include the winnings is not just a few euros..and i'm not sure about they'll refund my money... :-\
Ivo
I've seen this happen before. I've also seen a few times when the dealer makes a "false spin" or so called error so they refund all bets and re-spin, after the ball has already landed - this sucks big time.
I hope you get back what you should have won. You should do.
Cheers,
CD
Quote from: thypon066 on October 24, 2008, 01:05:55 PM
Yeah I already did, sent 2 emails to reply, because I wasn't happy with their explanation...they have told me that they will check the logs well and they'll get back to me, things like that they shouldn't happen, because is pretty upsetting when a winning bet is switched to a lose bet...
I'm calm but disappointed, 262 include the winnings is not just a few euros..and i'm not sure about they'll refund my money... :-\
Ivo
If you don't get your money back. Maybe you can try via nolinks://nolinks.casinomeister.com/forums (nolinks://nolinks.casinomeister.com/forums).
Succes, I would be PISSED when they 'stole' 262 from me in stead of paying me.
Forum Friends and Friendly Freaks
OK, this is no commercial, but if you guys are serious about your betting you should invest $30 in a screen recorder. WM Capture is great! You can make the video and then delete it if you have no problems. Then you could go to Dublin and show them the video. They may not pay, but you would have a better case.
I record every betting session.
And that has happened to me, also, at Bet365. With a dozen people telling them the number hit, they swore it didn't!
As to progressions, do you wonder why this never happens on the first bet? Always when you have the max down? Today I bet 12 numbers and got one wrong. Guess who hit?
It just happens!
Sam
I stopped playing at dublin bet about 10 months ago for reasons i won't disclose except to say i think they should be avoided. I won't go back to dublin bet , it's easier to throw my money into the bin than play at dublin bet.
Hi there, i just got a reply from dublinbet...
Hello Ivo,
The connection to the casino was lost, and the gamesever did not receive the result from the table. As no result was recorded, then it is impossible for the system to process the outcome until a result is received.
While you may have seen a result in the video, this is connected via a different server, and connection, and has no bearing on delivery of results to the Gameserver.
You will recall from the Terms & Condition, Section 4, Rules & Instructions:
"For live games, valid results are those results which are detected by the electronic sensor equipment installed for that purpose. If for any reason a result is not detected and registered by the electronic sensors, then that result is deemed to have not occurred, and any bets locked will remain locked until a valid result is determined."
We have no desire to cheat you. You lost no money, as your bets were not processed. The game switched to RNG mode, and you cancelled your bets.
Each and every result is independent, and is not affected by past results, and has no influence on future results.
If you were following some betting strategy, then you can simply resume that after the live feed is restored.
This connection failure was beyond our control, as we rely upon communications providers for connectivity, etc.
We apologise for any inconvenience the communication failure may have caused you.
Regards,
--geoff
....So x them if you are betting a sistem or progression you simply wait until the game server came back and you bet again...yeah right that's say all...the comunication failure or whatever f...k is it has been costly x me...and was not the n.4 only, but before another number close to the zero was spun, and of course has not been counted on the sistem...is really strange that x 8 losers spins the server was perfect...and after with 2 winnings spins the server was wrong...do i need to tell you wich numbers have come up with the rgn...8-17 not on my sistem of course...luckily i didn't bet.
Fair enough x me dublinbet is done, no trust no party
Ivo
OK, my nickel's worth.........
I once played progressions exclusively. These things would happen:
1. I would just absolutly, positively have to "go". I'd miss a bet!
2. My power would go off.
3. My internet server would crash.
4. My wife would come home.
5. I would fall asleep.
What to do; what to do!
I would wait until the exact same conditions came around again and just resume where I left off. Just for a silly example, you're betting on red with a five-step Martingale and you get cut off at four. Wait until you're at level four again and resume betting. OR..bet your normal progression and then just add the two together at the proper time, assuming you don't hit the table limit.
Sam
Hi Sam, all your points are correct of course, but i won the progression...they have spun 2 numbers that i got on my numbers, after the 1st they have left my chips on there, and after the 2nd that was 4 they did the same...and the connection that was perfect until then it gone lost...when the connection gone lost all the screen has a freeze and all is stopped, but nothing like this has happened at that time, it was all normal, they did show the 4 number as winner, but they didn't put it on the last 10...and after the rgn appeared on the live screen...i'm not talking about that they have cutted me off before bet, is even worst...they have switched a winning bet to a loser one, because without this winner bet i've lost 246 euro...
Just beware of that guys if you want to play there, i had some bad review before about them, but at the time they were some people that they claim a lot of money won on there, and that they were honesty and fair....
And about to do the same progression again you know Sam, is not easy to catch another one at the last leg and to get one of your numbers.. :)
Ivo
Ivo
It is not easy. I made a film today. The dealer spun and it landed in 32. She picked it up and spun again!! Why?
This is the stuff we deal with!
Sam
Quote from: thypon066 on October 25, 2008, 09:16:32 PM
Hi Sam, all your points are correct of course, but I won the progression...they have spun 2 numbers that I got on my numbers, after the 1st they have left my chips on there, and after the 2nd that was 4 they did the same...and the connection that was perfect until then it gone lost...when the connection gone lost all the screen has a freeze and all is stopped, but nothing like this has happened at that time, it was all normal, they did show the 4 number as winner, but they didn't put it on the last 10...and after the rgn appeared on the live screen...i'm not talking about that they have cutted me off before bet, is even worst...they have switched a winning bet to a loser one, because without this winner bet i've lost 246 euro...
Just beware of that guys if you want to play there, I had some bad review before about them, but at the time they were some people that they claim a lot of money won on there, and that they were honesty and fair....
And about to do the same progression again you know Sam, is not easy to catch another one at the last leg and to get one of your numbers.. :)
Ivo
I doubt they'll pay you as the winner.
If you take the game number and force it a little bit hard, you might be able to get a refund on your bets.
As for the technical issues, I take dublinbet's side. It seems even though you saw the video, the server didn't get the result that fast. (that's why you didn't see the number 4 on the marquee - it seems like a genuine technical failure.) However, I think they must refund the bets on these doubtful situations.
As Simon says, if you miss at a progression, wait for the conditions are met again and bet. You don't need to have same numbers, just the same 'stage at the progression'. If you wait long enough, sooner or later it will come.
I don't trust Dublin live play. I can play in fun mode and write down the bets I'll make and do great. Then when I bet in fun mode, I'll do OK, but never great. In real money mode, I never do well, and all I do is flat bet. I know they're cheating, but damned if I can figure out how.
They will be under the Uk Gambling Commission Spike, why not try something / anything via them???
Just a thought.....
Quote from: TwoCatSam on October 24, 2008, 06:43:35 PM
Forum Friends and Friendly Freaks
OK, this is no commercial, but if you guys are serious about your betting you should invest $30 in a screen recorder. WM Capture is great! You can make the video and then delete it if you have no problems. Then you could go to Dublin and show them the video. They may not pay, but you would have a better case.
I record every betting session.
And that has happened to me, also, at Bet365. With a dozen people telling them the number hit, they swore it didn't!
As to progressions, do you wonder why this never happens on the first bet? Always when you have the max down? Today I bet 12 numbers and got one wrong. Guess who hit?
It just happens!
Sam
I managed to find a free Video Recorder, Freez Screen Video Capture, download here nolinks://nolinks.smallvideosoft.com/download.php (nolinks://nolinks.smallvideosoft.com/download.php)
Quote from: Spike on October 27, 2008, 02:12:00 AM
I don't trust Dublin live play. I can play in fun mode and write down the bets I'll make and do great. Then when I bet in fun mode, I'll do OK, but never great. In real money mode, I never do well, and all I do is flat bet. I know they're cheating, but damned if I can figure out how.
How are you so sure? Maybe it's just bad luck. You can see people in the casino playing. Do you really think they are monotoring you and your bets and communicate with the croupier ''Spike is on the table, hit sector 1''. Or something like that?
Quote from: Spike on October 27, 2008, 02:12:00 AM
I don't trust Dublin live play. I can play in fun mode and write down the bets I'll make and do great. Then when I bet in fun mode, I'll do OK, but never great. In real money mode, I never do well, and all I do is flat bet. I know they're cheating, but damned if I can figure out how.
Well i'm not sure about this, i had the same sensations before, i was about 4 months playing in fun mode and checking the numbers to suppose to bet, and the result was v.good, when i've started to play x real i had a loss at the 1st day...recovered and loss on the 3rd...so it was up and down like jojo, it wasn't good as the fun mode, but as JHM said it can be bad luck, to be honest in last 2 months that i'm playing there i'm winning ;) specially from when i've started to play a 12 number sistem, in the last 20 days more than 1000 euro, but i've noticed that in the last 2 weeks my progressions were more dangerous, almost every day i had a negative progressions, and sometime with luck and risk i have managed even to win that day...before the negative progression was about 1 every 5-6 days...it still can be a bad week or so, my claim was just that i've felt cheated as my winner number has came up on the last leg of the progression, but the server went wrong and they didn't put it on the marquee...it can be bad luck too, sure, i'm just worry if is going to happen again when i got high stake on there...well i'll give them another chance, and i want to recover that winner bet as well..actually i did bet on the last 2 days, just short time, enough to recover 59 euro :)
so i'll keep you update, if i smell something wrong behind the bad luck or normal lose days i'll let you know quickly :)
Regards
Ivo
Have you already heard something from them concerning you 'error' bet?
Quote from: JHM on October 27, 2008, 01:38:22 PM
Have you already heard something from them concerning you 'error' bet?
Yeah i have already posted it, is the last and final reply from them
Hello Ivo,
The connection to the casino was lost, and the gamesever did not receive the result from the table. As no result was recorded, then it is impossible for the system to process the outcome until a result is received.
While you may have seen a result in the video, this is connected via a different server, and connection, and has no bearing on delivery of results to the Gameserver.
You will recall from the Terms & Condition, Section 4, Rules & Instructions:
"For live games, valid results are those results which are detected by the electronic sensor equipment installed for that purpose. If for any reason a result is not detected and registered by the electronic sensors, then that result is deemed to have not occurred, and any bets locked will remain locked until a valid result is determined."
We have no desire to cheat you. You lost no money, as your bets were not processed. The game switched to RNG mode, and you cancelled your bets.
Each and every result is independent, and is not affected by past results, and has no influence on future results.
If you were following some betting strategy, then you can simply resume that after the live feed is restored.
This connection failure was beyond our control, as we rely upon communications providers for connectivity, etc.
We apologise for any inconvenience the communication failure may have caused you.
They will not pay my winner bet, for the terms and conditions they are in the right side, for the common sense and customers service maybe less...
Well what to say, i hope that has been just a bad luck x me on the that day..
Regards
Ivo
So you lost your previous progression bets? That's bad for you.
Hope this occasion happens once in a lifetime and this was yours.
How are you so sure? Maybe it's just bad luck.>>>
I don't have 'bad luck'. I know what my hit rate is, so if its not there for a length of time, I'm being cheated. I play bac on Dublin, not roulette.
You can see the dealer, the card machine and people in the casino. Live or fun is the same as both is live from the casino. Same table, cam and dealer. You can play with people who are in the casino. So you think that when you play in fun mode they let the people on the table and you win. Then you play for real and they think ''there is spike, let's make him lose and the people in the casino'. Sorry I don't see the connection. We have members winning there for real on roulette. I think you need better arguments for the cheating, than only your hunch. It's all live.
Quote from: JHM on October 28, 2008, 06:27:49 PM
You can see the dealer, the card machine and people in the casino. Live or fun is the same as both is live from the casino. Same table, cam and dealer. You can play with people who are in the casino. So you think that when you play in fun mode they let the people on the table and you win. Then you play for real and they think ''there is spike, let's make him lose and the people in the casino'. Sorry I don't see the connection. We have members winning there for real on roulette. I think you need better arguments for the cheating, than only your hunch. It's all live.
I agree, I have been winning with Dublinbet over the last 4 months & I can't fault them. It has been rare that there have been any software problems during a game & since they last updated the software I have found it more reliable to log in.
Its easy to say it must be rigged as soon as results dont go in your favour.
Quote from: switcher on October 28, 2008, 09:36:00 PM
I agree, I have been winning with Dublinbet over the last 4 months & I can't fault them. It has been rare that there have been any software problems during a game & since they last updated the software I have found it more reliable to log in.
Its easy to say it must be rigged as soon as results dont go in your favour.
Hi Guys,
Connection Lost.
The same thing has happen to me with Dublin Bet on a live table. This has happen 3 times.
You can be in a progression and the connection is lost, and so are you bets are lost in limbo.
When you log back in your bets have been removed and not re credited to your account.
When you look at what was the last number on the board, you will see it was the correct number
in your progression. The loss of connection is always after no more bets.
I like playing at Dublin Bet, but there methods of fair play I am staring to doubt !!
I can understand one loss of connection, but 3 times? ???
Smokey22
Quote from: smokey22 on September 21, 2009, 06:39:11 AM
Hi Guys,
Connection Lost.
The same thing has happen to me with Dublin Bet on a live table. This has happen 3 times.
You can be in a progression and the connection is lost, and so are you bets are lost in limbo.
When you log back in your bets have been removed and not re credited to your account.
When you look at what was the last number on the board, you will see it was the correct number
in your progression. The loss of connection is always after no more bets.
I like playing at Dublin Bet, but there methods of fair play I am staring to doubt !!
I can understand one loss of connection, but 3 times? ???
Smokey22
I made a post about this recently and thats why I stopped playing there for the moment.
There are plenty of other reputable online casino's.
Cheers
just my opinion : i dont thing they chaeting i play daily on fun account true is that some week the server is horrible and it is affect as well fun acount player,disconecting,not apearing numbers on board, not pay bet. i was in month when didnt happened nothing and i was on week when happend everything 4 times daily so if they want do do it regulary they have to set special premissions for software which they use and monitor every single user ....now can u tell me if this is point???????? it is useless to say that they will set up software for example if you win 5 bets after and after???thing is that all this is about sensors and if they start buggin then happned what usualy happen to some player but no often. in fact i know that they have set on some things about game if you catch more then 6 colors they automaticly disconect you ...... mean if you left you bet on black 6 times and more and you still winning they disconect you can be just false but if is this possible there can be possible more things ,i just dont thing this will afect players with small bankroll under 500. i play there realy long time i dont thing they cheat exactly on you guys they dont need it. if you dont winning 5 ooo per sesion they never will know about you.and if you want tell me that feed with live wheel and accses on fun account and real money is diferent then actualy it is not becouse you play the same game as with real money and the same camera and the same feed. if is here someone who know that i dont have right so please YOU CAN START EXPLAIN THINGS IM ONE EAR
IM ONE EAR
Laughed like a fool over this!! :lol:
If anyone had a winning system they wanted to discuss--hey, I'm one ear, too!!
Geez, I needed a good laugh.
Sam
what is your problem you litle psycho???? you want laugh??? i will give you laugh if you wish....what a winning system >???you know wery well that you can have milions systems and if you dont have right condition you are blown so ???? is it wrong if you bet just if you know you can win ??? most of systems are progression thats why all donkeys loose especialy online becouse they cut them out so you ar old school i have respect about people but dont try me piss off mr.clever instead of said something what we can do about that orr make some trick orr plan what ever .....ya you have laugh ...ok you laugh i will take my money from account tomorow and go play diferent casino.dont need any system orr thing about how they f**k me yaaah ,god training for real BM mate this is my 12 sesion no loss for real have god laugh
All online casino's cheat, Put that in your head and keep it there.
neverwin
Quote from: neverwin
All online casino's cheat, Put that in your head and keep it there.
neverwin
:haha:
What? You can't even winwithmath?
Quote from: neverwin on September 21, 2009, 10:03:07 PM
All online casino's cheat, Put that in your head and keep it there.
neverwin
No they don't, they don't need to. They win anyway without having to cheat.
Hi # 6
Not with any winwithmath or any system playing online. They all cheat online learn to live with it. ]
ANYONE that post and say I win online have their reasons. Just past their post up because they are plainly telling a big fat lie.
Not one person here can really say, they can beat the online casino's.
neverwin
Seriously, you can't WINWITHMATH?
Hi # 6
How can you win with anything my friend. They cheat. Only fools bet online
Now Real casino's can be beat.
neverwin
Quote from: neverwin on September 22, 2009, 01:03:09 PM
Hi # 6
Not with any winwithmath or any system playing online. They all cheat online learn to live with it. ]
ANYONE that post and say I win online have their reasons. Just past their post up because they are plainly telling a big fat lie.
Not one person here can really say, they can beat the online casino's.
neverwin
Don´t shout against the wind
I play daily on OC and win. But not with math but with intelligence.
And I am not partner or affiliate of OC´s.
OCs win because people think they can start with a small BR and end up as millionaire.
br
winkel
Hi winkel
They all meaning online casino's cheat. Live with it or people will think you're nut's if you say you win online.
neverwin
I´m not nuts I´m a genius, that´s all what it needs.
br
winkel
Hey wink
I can't keep posting about online casino's that they cheat, because everybody has known for years they cheat. If you say they don't great nobody in the world would belive you on that one so just live with it.
neverwin
Quote from: neverwin on September 22, 2009, 03:20:16 PM
Hey wink
I can't keep posting about online casino's that they cheat, because everybody has known for years they cheat. If you say they don't great nobody in the world would belive you on that one so just live with it.
neverwin
When you know they cheat, use this information to beat them with their own weapons.
Most people who say OC´s cheat are just stupid gamblers.
They would loose their money in B&M-casinos as well.
They cannot afford to play there, so they play in OC with penny-bets and cry if they loose 50$
They don´t know nothing about relation between BR and aspected win
They think they can win with progressions
They think they can win on every spin
They think Casinos are there to make them rich
All over this forum it is written that you can´t beat the house edge by playing a stupid system betting x after y.
Gambling is hard work. You have to know what can happen and you have to see what is going on.
Most Cheating-convinced people are just stupid gamblers.
This year I tripled my bandroll 4 times. If OC would cheat, that would have been impossible.
br
winkel
Wrong I test my system online and they can beat you. I test also for people on online casino's for people to see if they cheat for I have the only system in the world that never lost.
All people that say they beat online casino's tell a big fat lie Just live the fact my friend they all cheat.
neverwin
Quote from: neverwin on September 22, 2009, 05:31:15 PM
Wrong I test my system online and they can beat you. I test also for people on online casino's for people to see if they cheat for I have the only system in the world that never lost.
All people that say they beat online casino's tell a big fat lie Just live the fact my friend they all cheat.
neverwin
Are you referring to LIVE WHEELS ONLINE OR RNG WHEELS?
Are you calling Winkel a liar then because he says he wins online?
You obviously have lost a lot of money gambling, you have all the hallmarks of a frustrated loser having lost his piggy bank.
You should think about giving up gaming or do some study into why you are losing.
Live wheels online are not fixed, why would they when they risk their reputation and all for nothing, they win anyway without cheating.
Quote from: neverwin
Hey wink
I can't keep posting about online casino's that they cheat, because everybody has known for years they cheat. If you say they don't great nobody in the world would belive you on that one so just live with it.
neverwin
Seriously, you can't
winwithmath? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
What on earth is your malfunction?
If only some of you guys really knew what was happening. ::)
bet365 live casino.
You place your bets and then there is a 20-30 second wait before the girl spins the wheel. This is to check the liability. Then the picture zooms in on the wheel. At this point you can not see the "live" CNN recording in the background anymore. They can now switch the video and bring up any number they want which is best for the casino. Let's say the number they want is number 2. So you watch number 2 come in. Now anybody who plays at bet365 will know the camera sticks on the number for about 20 seconds. This allows the dealer to place the ball in number 2 regardless of which number she has just spun. One thing to bear in mind is that even though 2 was the best for the house, you may have had $50 on 2. They can do a few things if they do not want to pay you out because number 2 will take you in to profit for that particular session. They can say the server broke down and cut you off, or they may say the server did not pick up your bet confirmation. When you complain, they will say there is nothing they can do about it and they have refunded your bet, so at least you have not lost and nobody else has complained about any malfunctions. ok so now the picture will go back to the dealer and there is CNN playing "live" in the background and she will take the ball out from number 2. Everything appears ok but they have managed to get the best result possible for themself and at the same time make sure a few people do not go into profit. Easy when you think about it and trust me, I know what I am talking about.
Quote from: elmo on September 22, 2009, 06:33:48 PM
Easy when you think about it and trust me, I know what I am talking about.
What make you an expert on this?
The live feed that bet365 uses, is used my many casino's. Are you saying that different results a given on these casinos at the same time? even though they are using the same feed. LAUGHABLE
CMON dude, less of the paranoid stuff, I have been winning consistanly on the Betfred live wheel for the past while and have had no problems. I had a bad session last night but that is to be expected.
In my honest opinion, you have not a clue what you are talking about, you are just another complaining loser.
elmo,
Sorry but as Diarmaid has explained, that's nonsense. (I did fine on the playtech live feed too)
Of course you are a big winner like everybody else :thumbsup:
Makes me laugh.
Why do you think they use a casino from the phillipines dork?
because people will do what they are told over there and it is cheap labour.
Show us some screen shots of your fabulous winnings. I am not a paranoid loser, I am telling the truth. You are a distorted wannabe.
Men with money run this world and you can believe whatever gullible shit you want, but one day you will wake up and smell the coffee. I hope it's sometime soon.
Quote from: elmo on September 22, 2009, 06:50:57 PM
Of course you are a big winner like eerybody else :thumbsup:
Makes me laugh.
Why do you think they use a casino from the phillipines dork?
because people will do what they are told over there and it is cheap labour.
Show us some screen shots of your fabulous winnings. I am not a paranoid loser, I am telling the truth. You are a distorted wannabe.
Bet365 are regulated by the UK gaming commission, not by some dodgy makeup commission on an island in the pacific.
They use a feed from the philippines, because its cheap and makes good business sense. What do you think they should pay dealers in the UK ten times the cost to spin a wheel. LOL
Get real dude.
@elmo,
Btw, I captured many playtech spin videos (I use the Latvian feed btw, not the Philippine one) and analyzed the hell out of them at low speeds using video software. I couldn't see anything suspicious in any of the many analyzed spins.
Your claims are quite serious, do you have any proof of this "truth"?
The way I see it, That which can be presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Quote from: elmo on September 22, 2009, 06:54:26 PM
Men with money run this world and you can believe whatever gullible s**t you want, but one day you will wake up and smell the coffee. I hope it's sometime soon.
There is a missive FLAW in your argument which I explained and you never commented on, of course.
I will point it out again for you.
You say that the camera stays on the number for a while so that the dealer can place the ball on the required number.
I replied in saying that many online casinos use this same live feed. If they were switching numbers at any stage then this would result in different results coming out from these casinos that use the same feed.
So you are then saying that this is happening, which I can assure you is not.
carry on playing at these places and your financial record-keeping will be all the proof you need. I am saying no more on the matter. I am not trying to offend anyone or create controversy. It is your money and you do with it whatever you like.
Quote from: Marven on September 22, 2009, 06:57:56 PM
@elmo,
Btw, I captured many playtech spin videos (I use the Latvian feed btw, not the Philippine one) and analyzed the hell out of them at low speeds using video software. I couldn't see anything suspicious in any of the many analyzed spins.
Your claims are quite serious, do you have any proof of this "truth"?
The way I see it, That which can be presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
The latvian feed is not on Bet365, which casino are you playing on?
Diarmard. Did you read what I said.
when the ball hits the winning number, that is the same number for all playtech live casinos. When and if it is necessary to switch the ball to the number that they want, this will appear at all the casinos using playtech software. It is a non brainer and I am surprised you see this as a flaw. It proves you did not read what I said.
Quote from: elmo on September 22, 2009, 07:00:58 PM
carry on playing at these places and your financial record-keeping will be all the proof you need. I am saying no more on the matter. I am not trying to offend anyone or create controversy. It is your money and you do with it whatever you like.
But you argument is FLAWED mate and you are ignoring what I am saying to you.
Quote from: elmo on September 22, 2009, 07:04:23 PM
Diarmard. Did you read what I said.
when the ball hits the winning number, that is the same number for all playtech live casinos. When and if it is necessary to switch the ball to the number that they want, this will appear at all the casinos using playtech software. It is a non brainer and I am surprised you see this as a flaw. It proves you did not read what I said.
LOL, now they're all in on it. Even playtech. LOL
I have no more to say to you. baseless comments.
Quote from: Diarmaid on September 22, 2009, 07:02:56 PM
The latvian feed is not on Bet365, which casino are you playing on?
Joyland and Eurogrand. They used to use the Philippine feed but switched to the Latvian one a few months ago (both Playtech feeds).
I could say a lot more about the casinos who use paytech software where the feed comes from the phillipines, but I am not going to.
I think you need to think through what I said and look around you in this world and you will see there is manipulation in everything where a lot of money is concerned.
On betfred the dealer often spins the wheel before the "no more bets" is called.
How would they work that one Elmo. LOL
Quote from: elmo on September 22, 2009, 07:00:58 PM
... It is your money and you do with it whatever you like.
So why are you bothering us with your stupid theory?
Go better and claim that man hasn´t been on the the moon.
In your word there are no monopolies and everyone plays fair and by the book. You have no clue how clever and manipulative these people are and for that reason there is no point in discussing it further.
Quote from: elmo on September 22, 2009, 07:08:01 PM
I could say a lot more about the casinos who use paytech software where the feed comes from the phillipines, but I am not going to.
I think you need to think through what I said and look around you in this world and you will see there is manipulation in everything where a lot of money is concerned.
Oh so now its only the playtech wheels that use the phillipines live feed, a while ago it was ALL ONLINE CASINOS.
And how do they manage to rig the live blackjack and the live baccarat.
More video swapping is it? Or maybe its only the roulette that is rigged. :haha:
I'm sure everyone has their misgivings about online casinos, especially playtech and intercasino, which is owned by the mafia. But at the end of the day, where is the proof (disregarding mafia-ownership)? Saying "Trust me, I know what I'm talking about" is nothing on which to base an argument, neither is the location of the actual dealer and device. It is true that most people who complain about casinos cheating are losers.
Hi elmo
Great post I wish I had the time to post all the information you have. But this is the fake world on these forum don't waste your time on stupid people who lie and have gains of their own for reasons they only have most likely they are selling some of their crap later or have thoughts of helping people bet on online casino's to lose their money because they are a loser themselves.
I repeat all online casino's cheat It's been posted thousands of times that they cheat all over the internet.Case is close all online casino's cheat A few out of thousands of posts that say they cheat maybe one or two fools believe they don't
elmo said it all online casion's
Great post elmo one of the best post I ever read You may have saved thousands of people to save their money and their life. Nice job
Your friend I say friend because you gave a great post to help people save their life.
neverwin
LOL
I have made 700 units in the past weeks on betfred, strange. And when I withdraw I have the money in my neteller account within 24 hours.
The casino must like me since they don't cheat me.
Neverwin, you keep kidding yourself. Makes no difference to me.
We are all winners on the internet but at least I tell the truth.There are thousands of posts saying the casino's cheat and they are all right .They cheat.Only a hand full say they don't only people that say they don't are telling a big fat lie.The thousands of posts that say they cheat even post how they cheat, yet the stupid people that hate winners post bull crap that they don't So stop the crap all online casino's cheat. Live with it.
neverwin
Quote from: neverwin on September 22, 2009, 10:50:58 PM
We are all winners on the internet but at least I tell the truth.There are thousands of posts saying the casino's cheat and they are all right .They cheat.Only a hand full say they don't only people that say they don't are telling a big fat lie.The thousands of posts that say they cheat even post how they cheat, yet the stupid people that hate winners post bull stuff that they don't So stop the stuff all online casino's cheat. Live with it.
neverwin
LOL, video swapping, :haha:
here is an example for you.
I live in a town called Gorey, in Co. Wexford. Ireland.
Gorey is 60 miles from Dublin, and this is where the live feed for the Dublinbet site comes from. A casino club called the fitzwilliam.
In the fitzwilliam the have both the wheels that the feed comes from and down the side of the room there are many computers for the punters to play on the computer (DUBLINBET) when the roulette tables are full.
NO HOW IN HELL ARE THEY GOING TO CHEAT.
YOU CAN SEE THE NUMBERS SPUN ON BOTH THE REAL TABLES AND ON THE DUBLINBET SITE IN THE SAME ROOM AT THE SAME TIME.
Wait I know, its all an illusion, they have vaporized ACID in the air and this makes you imagine the same numbers on both the computers and on the real wheels.
Get a brain and stop being so paranoid. :lol: :haha:
All I say is get a life and stop hurting people with crap that casino's don't cheat. Read the thousands of post about online casino's they all had proof not just words Go play your make believe system and stop hurting people here ALL. online casino's cheat live with it.
neverwin
Quote from: neverwin on September 22, 2009, 11:08:08 PM
All I say is get a life and stop hurting people with stuff that casino's don't cheat. Read the thousands of post about online casino's they all had proof not just words Go play your make believe system and stop hurting people here ALL. online casino's cheat live with it.
neverwin
more meaningless dribble, with no context. GREAT :haha:
All true all online casino's they cheat. The thousands of posts that have proof aren't lies it's all true . They cheat. Just because one stupid person posts crap like you won't change a thing. Live with it
neverwin
Quote from: neverwin on September 22, 2009, 11:16:39 PM
All true all online casino's they cheat. The thousands of posts that have proof aren't lies it's all true . They cheat. Just because one stupid person posts stuff like you won't change a thing. Live with it
neverwin
I definately must have had ACID in me when I was in the Fitzwilliam casino the last time.
Must give that stuff up. Its bad for me.
Quote from: neverwin
All true all online casino's they cheat. The thousands of posts that have proof aren't lies it's all true . They cheat. Just because one stupid person posts stuff like you won't change a thing. Live with it
neverwin
Wendel you are a troll. You've been banned twice from here already. Take the hint.
And in these "thousands" of posts, where is the proof? Speculation and paranoid rubbish from consistent losers doesn't count. Just show us the evidence.
Just read the thousands of posts that's enough poof where there is smoke there is fire.
Yet they have posted the fire meaning the proof . Go somewhere else with your crap.
All online casino's cheat.Live with it.
neverwin
Quote from: neverwin
All online casino's cheat.Live with it.
That is your argument? Where is the substance?
Can you actually say anything else or is your brain just programmed to disgorge BS?