Funny..i was just thinking about that!!

[Marven]

It's based on Visual Ballistics, so even if you guys do post it here, very few will actually put the effort into mastering it.

If it's some mechanical system that wins consistently (does not exist) then that would be another story. It would be all over the net in no time, both, sold/re-sold and distributed for free.

If it's not a mechanical system but it's something that can still be taught (??) and conquers the stochastic process, then it would also be spread, a bit slower though. Someone would sooner or later publish a book about it and get himself famous.

In both of these two latter cases it would only be natural that the casinos would change the rules to avoid being exposed as an open gold mine.

[seykid29]

Again you have a point.

[iboba]

I might say instead you can't beat every spin with a mechanical bet. I also believe that a method that never loses is a fallacy. Which seems to be the direction most HG seekers go.

In the casino's mind, table games are a long term money generator. So you need a long term solution in my opinion.

As far as I can tell the very few legit winners are branded liars anyway, and the majority of people here pad their stats. Then those who want the winners methods are too lazy to go out there and find them for themselves. All anyone has to do to get a long term winning method/system/bet, whatever you want to call it, is read a couple books and do some research. That's it. Then the rest of your time is spent perfecting the strategy. But you'd still be amazed at how lazy people are. They want the free handout. I have shared my method(s) with a few people who claimed they wanted to learn. I have yet to hear one of them come back and say "Thanks! That's a great method! I won X dollars with it!" Does this mean the method is very lucky for me? And unlucky for everyone else? Nope. It means people are lazy, and don't want to do the work it takes in order to win. It also means people don't like getting rich slow. They want a way to win a million overnight. Keep the search alive you dreamers...

Explain to me why anyone would want to share their personal HG? There is not much gain in it. In my early days when I first came to this forum I said that if I ever found a winning method that was proven, I would post it and share it with all to read. Nothing would satisfy me more than draining every casino. Of course, I know now that this was a very naive view. First of all, if I share it, no one would take it seriously just on the basis that I shared it. Second, I would bring a huge amount of heat to my own play with every donkey that goes in there and plays the exact same way I am only much more recklessly. I totally understand why people keep their methods to themselves. It's not greed. It may not even be for privacy. I know for me... It's to save myself a headache. People I don't know begging me at all hours for help with question that they could answer if they just thought for 10 minutes in quiet. As well as people I don't know calling me a liar, idiot and a fake. Where's my motivation?

Thanks DJ,
I really meant to say something similar on this subject,
but you have said instead.Agree with every word you have stated.
Even if I would show my every day account on DB,from last 18 days since
am playing there,and that each day have won 15 euros/that's my aim/with
100 euros deposited......they would tell me it is fabricated.
So who cares,really....................................Iboba

[Number Six]

Davey, in my book you would be exempt from having to prove anything. Most of us know the principles your method is based on are real. All you would be demonstrating is how good you are at executing them. You are beating the WHEEL, that is doable with methods like *DS* and VB. People who claim to win with a conventional system or bet are claiming to beat the PROCESS, that is not so easy. When someone claims that, I feel they should at least make some sort of effort to summarise in theory why their system works. Otherwise they're time wasters. And honestly, if you had a HG system, would you really go round public forums dropping hints about it? That is what I don't get.

hideseek, I don't actually play RNGs much, not for serious money anyway. I use one RNG casino for practise, that's about it. Mainly I stick to real wheels, and as there are around 10 casinos within 30 minutes of my house, there is no shortage! Though I don't see why RNGs aren't beatable if you can find a way of minimising the impact of fluctuation. Like everyone I have dabbled in the systems and progressions and all the rest of it, but I know they simply will not work in the long run.

[seykid29]

Reckoning that im really a newbie to roulette in a way of speaking,it seems many has been there done that in many aspects,cant deny that many may be actually enjoying big constant wins.
seykid.

[WannaWin]

There have to be winners, because otherwise, the casino would not experience fluctuations.

We all know that the larger the sample the greater the fluctuation expected even with the benefit of the house edge in your favor.

Someone has to take advantage of the negative fluctuations of the house = the winners.

[Davey-Jones]

People who claim to win with a conventional system or bet are claiming to beat the PROCESS, that is not so easy. When someone claims that, I feel they should at least make some sort of effort to summarise in theory why their system works. Otherwise they're time wasters.

In my opinion for anything to work, make money, or win whether it be in the casino's, stocks, or any form of investing... There MUST be a logical/rational reason behind why it works. "It just does" is not an acceptable answer to me, yet it is the most common one out there. Sometimes it can work and you may not understand why it works, that's different. But in a case like that I would think you would be more willing to share to find out exactly why it works. I never understood why all these supposed "Winners" cower whenever any form of rational critique enters the equation. Being critical to these HG's is very important, and in most cases a money saver for alot of people. There is nothing wrong with asking "Why does it work". You can still answer that while being vague about your method.
ie: Physics, math, situational conditions allow it to.

I do agree that if you can't put up, then shut up... Anything else is a waste of everyone's time.

[GARNabby]

Sometimes it can work and you may not understand why it works, that's different. But in a case like that I would think you would be more willing to share to find out exactly why it works.

Eg, a magic trick.  Perhaps those guys, with their thusly-developed way of thinking, have found ways to apply it to casino-gaming?  I remember the "Amazing Kreskin" being barred from bj in Vegas, because of his shear stage-presence.

Anyway, getting back to the original topic... I believe being consistently in sync with events (as those are occurring in general) comes when one can state his scientific understandings in philosophical terms, when the two aren't in conflict.

Well, I know, but it's a slow evening here.

[GARNabby]

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