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[madupz4]

TCS,

Again, your getting into the reasoning as to why and your thinking too much, forget about all that.  Forget about "a crossing!"  Bet like a robot any difference of 0 or 1.  That is what Winkel did in his tests and that is what I am copying.  In your above example, yes he bet the 11, just like he should have, was it a diff btw 0 or 1?  Yes, so bet!

I know you experienced some wins on the 2vs3, I have too, but for the testing purposes, the 0,1, and >1 take priority.

My best advice is to stop trying to understand why this why that, and just copy instead.  That's what I started doing and It worked much better.  I just have to see if starting a new 50 spins after a loss produces better results.

[kompressor]

It might not seem logical but there has to be a reason why when you lose and jump back, you continue to lose.  Those past numbers were NOT performing the way they should and it seems to affect the future crossings as well.

this make sense to me...you winkel ?

please give me any 150 spins and I´ll show you the answer to your question.

br
winkel

this is mad conclusion...me i never jump back...a session is 50 spin period

[madupz4]

50 spins regardless of win or lose?  What are your results so far?

[TwoCatSam]

Time for me to let this go......

[Novobetor]

Hi Sam,

To me, a crossing is always completed in 3 steps.
1st, when the diff is 1 point away (meaning the lines are approaching each other, greater number is on left eg, 12-11)
2nd, when the diff is 0 point (the lines have touched but may never cross, they may move in parallel eg, 12-12)
3rd, when the diff is 1 point (greater number is on the right eg, 11-12)

Whenever a 2 lines are going to cross, they must move in order of this 3 steps. That's why winkel said that only bet on the diff of 0 or 1, because that's when they're going to cross or they are crossing. On the 3rd step, eventhough the diff is 1, the lines have crossed (eg, 11-12) so there's no point of betting on the numbers.

Well, that is my understanding of crossing. I maybe wrong in winkel's perspective.

Cheers

[Novobetor]

Mad,

Winkel said that his tests that netted +2117 for 50 days, he betted these crossings
0vs1
1vs2
0vs>1
0vs2
1vs>1
1vs2

I think you should incorporate these crossings in your test to see if it's as good as he's claimed. Just a suggestion 

[JHM]

Sam,

You started playing with your own money, how is testing going?

[TwoCatSam]

see testing

[JHM]

This is your testing thread, or am I wrong . You're still on $ 202,-?

[TwoCatSam]

Well, the truth hurts........

[table=,]
Date,,W/L,,Running Total
Begin,,5,,205
10.21.8.2,,61,,$266
10.22.8,,<$130+>,,$130
10.22.8,,4,,$134
10.23.8,,2,,$136
10.24.8,,28,,164
10.24.8.1,,72@.50,,$202
10.25.8,,<$$$$>,,$29
[/table]

[JHM]

It does. Sorry to read Sam. It happened even though you stick to the G.U.T. rules?

[TwoCatSam]

Jur

But I was jumping back when no more crossings were in sight.  This was (I thought) one way winkel said to play.  Numbers are numbers and droidman incorporated the "jump" feature into the software so we would not have to start over at spin 1.  Now, mad and novo say that starting over at 1 is the way to go and then some other rules.

So, we'll try it this way!

Now, I probably should have said, "This is not my day!" and left.  But---PEOPLE---if numbers are just numbers, it doesn't matter.  If numbers are connected/related/run in packs/whatever, then it does.  I think my loss proved numbers gather in groups and sometimes those groups will beat you at your best game.

Sam

[JHM]

I think you should only stick to the rules of Winkel. He found and designed the system. Novo and Mat are only confusing you. If they know better, let them test with their own money and not yours. But that's only my opinion.

I'm testing gut too. And still winning. I play with track2 from droidman (track 4 confuses me). I play crossings 0vs1 0vs2 1vs2 and only play Winkels rules:

GUT rules

17-13 numbers rebet after loss = total bets 2
12-10 numbers rebet after loss 2 times = total bets 3
9-8 numbers rebet after loss 3 times = total bets 4

36/numbers=times to bet (use first number only; 3,5 = 3)

stop at >39
otherwise play till spin 50, no stopploss no limit

we rebet a crossing as lon as it is alive
15-14 moves to 15-13 stop betting
15-14 stays 15-14 rebet (once see above)
especially later in the spins when bet 0vs2 appear:
9-9 loss
9-9 loss
9-9 loss
9-8 loss stopp betting

9-9
9-8
9-7 stopp
9-8 (a 1 has hit) start betting max 4times again

hope that´s what you wanted to know

I tested a stop-rule
+40 and -40 it worked very bad
+40 and try to recover till spin 50 is nearly to the clinical rule ->
play every crossing til spin 50 without any other stop-rules

Play
0vs1
1vs2
0vs1>
0vs2>
1vs1>
1vs2

[TwoCatSam]

Jur

Money beside the point.....what I am trying to accomplish is a "clinical" trial of this system.  I would love to play by winkel's rules but he said NOT peeing into the wind was one of them.  He lost me there.

I am going to work with this a week or so and then either let it go or bet some money on it.

winkel did run what he called a clinical trial, but his betting was all over the place. 

mad and novo say don't pay any attention to what winkel says; just bet as he does.  You say don't pay any attention to them!! It's a comedy of errors!!

Sam

[JHM]

Sam, example

Spin Nr 0 1 2 3 3>
1     20 36
2     12 35
3     16 34
4     31 33
5     9  32
6     34 31
7     5  30
8     4  29
9     23 28

Example 2

1     20 36
2     12 35
3     1235
4     31 34
5     20 34
6     31 34
7     31  34
8     12 34
9     23 33

In example 1 the table is really going well on the 0's seem to hit a lot. In example 2 the 0's seem to go very slow. Mostly when we approach the situation 0vs1 (can be 17-16/16-16/16-15/15-15 etc.). When we bet the 0, in my experience example 1 makes more winners than 2.

Do you get what I'm saying and where the table is going?

Maybe Winkel can confirm this?

I don't want to confuse you Sam. This is just my opinion.

[JHM]

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