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[madupz4]

the gut have solid rules for me :

i dont jump back at all...if my last 50 were loosing I cross my finger on the next 50

If your last 50 were losing, what specificallly do you do next? 

Do you collect a brand new 50 spins?  Or do you jump back and use some of your old numbers in your new 50 spin session?

[kompressor]

i collect a new set of 50...the next day....the probability of loosing one day is high but 7 days in a row is low

if you play with 0.50 cents bet and play 5 hours a day your wife is with another man as fast as she can

play with 5$ units one hour a day(50 spins)...then switch to 10$,20$.....every 400 to 600 units gain

[madupz4]

That's what I thought!

I think this may make a difference!  i'm gonna continue testing!

[kompressor]

winkel's 50 days test gain 400 units approx. every 2 weeks...

[madupz4]

TCS,

Looking at the clinical tests in the GUT testing thread, I saw him bet consistently on any crossing a difference of 0 or 1 without thinking or getting into specific's of "why."  When there were two or more crossings, from what I looked at, it appeard he always bet the "left most" bet, meaning the '0' falling first, then the '1' then the '2.'  

-also in the clinical testing it looks like he never made a bet on the small bets for testing such as 2vs3 if it was 2-1.  Stick to the '0' then the '1' crossings first.  It looks like the stead fast rules are:

-Look at every line going horizontal across the page on it's own!  Forget about what happend before, looking for trends etc.....Just look to see if there is a trigger anywhere. (eg. 16-15, 9-9, etc...)
-Play every possible trigger, (any diff of 0 or 1), forget about trying to figure out why it's really not a trigger or getting into technicalities.  Just bet every trigger like a robot.
-bet every trigger the appropriate amount of times (eg. 17x2, 11x3, 9x4), if it loses after the appropriate amount of times STOP!  Look for a new trigger.  If that trigger goes away and then comes back 2 spins later, you continue to bet on that trigger again for the appropriate amount of times. (eg. 17x2, 11x3, 9x4)
-If you win a trigger and the trigger is still there, bet again because it is still a trigger. (eg 15-14 bet,, goes to 14-14, still another trigger = bet)
-Play to spin 50 regardless of total win or loss.
-Never jump back anywhere!  Play to spin 50 PERIOD!

This is the way I tested and I had VERY good results, I was up 250 units in a steady progression upward.  However like I said, I noticed that when I lost after spin 50 (and jumped back) I would lose again, then again, then again and again!  All of my losses came in groups and made my profits disappear!

Winkel and Kompressor play the exact same way as me in their clinical tests and had much better results?  Why?  The only difference between my testing and theirs is after they had a loss after spin 50, their next sessions started with 50 brand new numbers.  

So that is my NEW RULE:

-After spin 50 with a loss, NO jump back!  Start over with 50 brand new spins.

We'll see if it makes a difference.

[madupz4]

I have tried to be more than fair to winkel in my tests of his G.U.T. but I'm of the opinion that what the man says and what he actually does are two different things. 

Show me in black and white I'm wrong.

Sam

I agree with you that he does and has said many things that contradict each other and he has confused me many times.  So I got to the point where I stopped listening to his words and watched what he actually does!  Looking at the GUT testing, he seems to be pretty consistent in what he does and that is what I am copying trying to duplicate his results.  Forget about the "hints" or "pointers."  Just study the GUT testing results and what I just posted above, and these seem to be the rules of the game, at least for the "basic way" of playing.

[winkel]

I have reviewed the print outs of winkel's posts, the scrolling ones.  There are dozens of crossings that were not bet and many bets were made on non-crossings.  Either a crossing is imminent or it isn't.  The thing is fish or fowl!

As I said: I´m playing nearly in a Live-situation because the spins are coming up at the marquees of wiesbaden. Soe there might be some crossings I just didn´t see.

I will accept your statement, if you can prove I did those things to increase the bankroll and tried to cheat people.

Especially this statement:

many bets were made on non-crossings

If you make up your mind that 1 vs >1 is no crossing than you are right, but it is not my definition of playable crossings.

br
winkel

[madupz4]

mad

Let's take your rules one at a time:


-Look at every line going horizontal across the page on it's own!  Forget about what happend before, looking for trends etc.....Just look to see if there is a trigger anywhere. (eg. 16-15, 9-9, etc...)

The above I understand.

-Play every possible trigger, (any diff of 0 or 1), forget about trying to figure out why it's really not a trigger or getting into technicalities. Just bet every trigger like a robot.

In the above red statement you have said two things:  1.  Bet any trigger with a diff of 0 or 1 and 2. don't worry if it's really not a trigger.  Again I ask,
is 0 v 1 with 12 10 a trigger.  Yes or No!  Is 0 v >1 with 12 10 a trigger.  Yes or No!



-bet every trigger the appropriate amount of times (eg. 17x2, 11x3, 9x4), if it loses after the appropriate amount of times STOP!  Look for a new trigger.  If that trigger goes away and then comes back 2 spins later, you continue to bet on that trigger again for the appropriate amount of times. (eg. 17x2, 11x3, 9x4)

So if I have a 1 v 2, 7 6 trigger appear at spin 20, I bet it?  There are many, many such triggers before the 19/18 crossing?  What if I'm betting a trigger like 2 v 3 and a NEW trigger on a leftmost number appears, do I quit on this one and jump to that one?



-If you win a trigger and the trigger is still there, bet again because it is still a trigger. (eg 15-14 bet,, goes to 14-14, still another trigger = bet)
OK

-Play to spin 50 regardless of total win or loss.
OK

-Never jump back anywhere!  Play to spin 50 PERIOD!
OK

Then you wrote, "So that is my NEW RULE:

-After spin 50 with a loss, NO jump back!  Start over with 50 brand new spins."

What if there's a win at 50?  Can you jump back and continue playing?

So these are your crossings then?

0 v 1
0 v >1
1 v 2
1 v >2
2 v 3

Clear me up mad!  I'll play this sucker with a voice-over video and hope every minute you are right!

Sam

The way I played:

is 0 v 1 with 12 10 a trigger.  Yes or No!  Is 0 v >1 with 12 10 a trigger.  Yes or No!  -------12 10 is NOT a trigger that is a diff of 2.  Only a diff of 0 or 1. which would be 12vs11.  0vs.>1 at 12-10 is still not a trigger, must be 12-11 or 12-12, or 11-11.

So if I have a 1 v 2, 7 6 trigger appear at spin 20, I bet it?---- NO!  Forget about trying to win with those little numbers on 1vs2 7-6 before the 0 or the 1's are crossed first.  First wait for the 0 to cross the 1 OR for the O to cross the >1 or 1 to cross the >1 FIRST, then you can look at other possible crossings.

There are many, many such triggers before the 19/18 crossing?  What if I'm betting a trigger like 2 v 3 and a NEW trigger on a leftmost number appears, do I quit on this one and jump to that one?-------YES, you must decide.  That is what I did and more times than not I was succesful.  Drop the 2 vs. 3 and go for the new trigger with the higher odds of hitting. (eg. 0, 1, >1)

What if there's a win at 50?  Can you jump back and continue playing?----- Yes, because you just won, the numbers were performing like they should.  After I won I jumped back to save time and had good results.  However, after a loss at spin 50, NO jumpbacks, start over with 50 new spins.  8 out of 10 times when I lost and then jumped back I would lose again, and usually again right after that!  So from now on, no jumpbacks after a loss, new 50 spins!
It might not seem logical but there has to be a reason why when you lose and jump back, you continue to lose.  Those past numbers were NOT performing the way they should and it seems to affect the future crossings as well.

Play like Winkel and Kompressor and come back fresh with 50 new spins.

[kompressor]

It might not seem logical but there has to be a reason why when you lose and jump back, you continue to lose.  Those past numbers were NOT performing the way they should and it seems to affect the future crossings as well.


this make sense to me...you winkel ?

[winkel]

If we have a 12 v 10 and it's a 1 v >1, then winkel calls it a crossing.  Why then is 12 v 10 NOT a crossings when it's 1 v 2>? 

Where did I say that or where did I bet this?

[madupz4]

It might not seem logical but there has to be a reason why when you lose and jump back, you continue to lose.  Those past numbers were NOT performing the way they should and it seems to affect the future crossings as well.


this make sense to me...you winkel ?

Kompressor,

What were your specific results playing this way?  I know you must've had ups and downs, but if you didn't record your results, approximately how much profit did you earn and what was your ratio of Wins vs. Losses?

[winkel]

It might not seem logical but there has to be a reason why when you lose and jump back, you continue to lose.  Those past numbers were NOT performing the way they should and it seems to affect the future crossings as well.

this make sense to me...you winkel ?

please give me any 150 spins and I´ll show you the answer to your question.

br
winkel

[JHM]

Triggers
17-17
17-16
16-16
16-15
15-15
etc. etc.

No triggers

17-18
16-17
15-16
14-15
13-14
etc. etc.

[Novobetor]

Yeah, from my understanding 12-10 is not a trigger, a trigger must be in the difference of 0 or 1.
Sam, perhaps that's what affecting your results so far...

[JHM]

We have a win @ spin 28 and 40 

[JHM]

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