Thomas Grant Scam

[thomasgrant]

Scammers desperate for sales, nothing new here. 7000 reasons to not to buy your crap.

Wow, so many good reason not to buy crap.
If I had a wad full of money and stuck it under your nose.
You would still not be satisfied.

Ohh well, no one is forcing you to purchase it.
Or asking you to. You complain all you like.
Some will, some wont. So what, next.

PS: just as a side note.
The price of the bot has gone up.
Since Matt added in a LIVE casino.

$375 I think the new price is.
Wow the commissions on that would be nice.
May have to talk to Matt about getting some.

[Number Six]

I find it remarkable how Grant is the only person on the face of the earth who is using bots and winning. Every bot he uses, he wins. He never loses. Hollywood should make a film about him. $375? That price is utterly inflated beyond all reason. You really would have to be out of your very small mind to pay that sort of money for something that is going to lose you your BR. Got money to burn? Buy super roulette. The price has gone up because it now interfaces with DB, where there is a house edge the bot will never overcome. This scam is sick.

Tangram, you will never be given that kind of information. That is too much of a challenge and would prove the system to be absolutely useless and the seller a robber. If super roulette was a manual system the seller would have been booted from this forum as soon as he signed up.

[super-roulette]

Tangram, you will never be given that kind of information. That is too much of a challenge and would prove the system to be absolutely useless and the seller a robber.

You were offered this information unconditionally N6 and you declined.

Matt

[super-roulette]

@ Matt,

As I've said before, I believe it could be possible to make money with your bot using a simple system provided you have the necessary bankroll and are playing a no-zero wheel, and I'd like to put this to the test. Would you be willing to give us details of one of the systems your bot uses so that I can write a simulation? What I need is: (1) bet selection and money management (progression if used, plus any stop losses or wins) (2) Average number of spins played per session. (3) Recommended bankroll.

Preferably nothing too complex, but something that has made money in the past and continues to do so. It will be interesting, if nothing else, to see what kind of drawdowns you get. 

Tangram,

It would not be fair on people who have purchased the software to publicly disclose how and why it works. Saying that you seem to be a person of integrity and someone who at least realises the HUGE advantage removing the house edge gives the player against RNG; Tom's results are testament to this.

We are not playing against the game of roulette at BV, but against a random number generator, in an even chance game. Cleverly designed strategies based on logical, expected outcomes allow us to actually manipulate the odds and put them in our favour during a session.

I would be happy to email or PM you details of the way the software works and the strategies embedded into it and you can determine whether or not you can code it into RX. If you can I would be interested to see the results and feel free to publish them here.


Matt

[Skrizy]

First the bot only worked on no zero wheels. Now that it is compatible with dublin bet (a popular online casino) it just happens to also work on the single zero wheels. IF THAT IS NOT A SURPRISE. What happend to the bot? did it get SUPER powers?

@ everyone who is thinking about bying this, plz try to think about what u are bying. What does it actually do? Its not all roses and sunshine.

Kind Regards,
Skrizy.

[TwoCatSam]

Thomas Grant

Sorry, Mate, I forget you're Australian and I American and we have a different vernacular.  When one of us see another doing something real well, we might say, "I hate you, man!".  Now that doesn't me we hate you; it means we hate that we can't do what you're doing.  It's misplaced jealousy or envy.  Or when a woman looses twenty pounds her friends say, "Don't you just hate her?"

No offense directed to you.  I hope you hit 10,000 before the week is out.

Sam

[Tangram]

I would be happy to email or PM you details of the way the software works and the strategies embedded into it

Thanks Matt, I've sent you a PM.

[thomasgrant]

Thomas Grant

Sorry, Mate, I forget you're Australian and I American and we have a different vernacular.  When one of us see another doing something real well, we might say, "I hate you, man!".  Now that doesn't me we hate you; it means we hate that we can't do what you're doing.  It's misplaced jealousy or envy.  Or when a woman loses twenty pounds her friends say, "Don't you just hate her?"

No offense directed to you.  I hope you hit 10,000 before the week is out.

Sam

Thanks Sam.
If you like.
I can do a live 1 on 1 session with you.
Just skype me.

[Tiago2]

First the bot only worked on no zero wheels. Now that it is compatible with dublin bet (a popular online casino) it just happens to also work on the single zero wheels. IF THAT IS NOT A SURPRISE. What happend to the bot? did it get SUPER powers?

@ everyone who is thinking about bying this, plz try to think about what u are bying. What does it actually do? Its not all roses and sunshine.

Kind Regards,
Skrizy.

It originally started of for a no-zero roulette board so the betting styles were geared towards a no-zero board. Now with the single 0 capability to the bot new systems have been implemented to better suit the live 0 board. Different system will likely be added to Super Roulette as time goes by.

[Spike]

I find it remarkable how Grant is the only person on the face of the earth who is using bots and winning. Every bot he uses, he wins.>>>

He's a scammer, of course he's going to say anything he needs to say to sell his crap. These people disgust me..

[Number Six]

Yep, they are sick as f***      I can't believe people are actually buying into it, though.

If you ask me absolutely not a single seller should be allowed here, let alone actually accommodated and encouraged by moderators. It's irresponsible. Like I said before, if super roulette was pushing a PDF he'd have been booted a long time ago. It just goes to show how FOOLED people are by automation. Schmucks. Somehow because this product is a bot and not a manual system it's all OK. Super roulette is just a system seller and his presence here is insulting to all those who have been scammed in the past.

[xman1970]

If you ask me absolutely not a single seller should be allowed here, let alone actually accommodated and encouraged by moderators. It's irresponsible.  

I cannot say I agree with you here No.6

NO clickable links are allowed here @ VLS to any "sell able" product

The only moderator who I am aware of who has tested this is 2Cats & he lost......

ONE moderator NOT moderators BTW

So I for one don't see that as encouraging

My personal view on bots ?

Well surely they are only as good as the system / way the are programmed to play.......

& IF I paid ANYBODY to programme my HG (I wish) then that person would have it as well....

So bots are definitely NOT for me....

[Number Six]

Hi Xman,
You disagree about the moderator reference? OK, I think it is irresponsible for ANY moderator to associate with a system seller. My opinion. I have said it, and I doubt I'll mention it again. Even though the super roulette link isn't posted anywhere, they are using the forum as a marketing ground. I think it's unacceptable. And I will badger them ad nauseam until they vanish. They are not helping anyone. They contribute nothing. The truth is no one can use this bot and win consistently. Anyone who says otherwise needs maths lessons. Anyone who is winning is either the luckiest person on earth or a liar.

No one would sell the HG for $375, lol
Vero nihil verius

[xman1970]

Hey No.6 

That's fine mate  Like everybody here your opinion is respected. You state they use this forum as a marketing ground & to a certain degree I concur with that.

But at least here the likes of you, Spike & anybody else have the chance to put your 2 cents forward......

People will makes their own decisions in the long run, but at least here BOTH sides of the coin are on show.

& just to be clear on this :-

I am in NO condoning ANY bot of any description

But I AM condoning the right to discuss them here.....

Finally as I stated in my previous post :-

Well surely they are only as good as the system / way the are programmed to play.......

& IF I paid ANYBODY to programme my HG (I wish) then that person would have it as well....

So bots are definitely NOT for me....

[super-roulette]

No one would sell the HG for $375

You are still missing the point, I never have once said it is the grail. I have stated and continue to state, that the automation along with cleverly designed strategies allow it to be used as an investment tool - and it works. The strategies used at BV do not work at the live dealer. Live dealer requires beating the wheel and not the game and the software is accompolished at doing that

Matt

[super-roulette]

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