What about trying hypnosis techniques on the dealer?

[Mr J]

I'm not joking around so lets calmy discuss this. If someone mastered hypnoisis, is it possible to put the dealer in a mild trance? Say like...pay you extra chips or put the marker on the wrong number (your number) etc.

Lets say I put a black chip on the winning number after the ball stops. Dealer says, "no way mister, thats cheating"! I calmy look into his eyes for a few seconds and all of a sudden, he says, "hey, nice hit, check 35 black". Think of the possibilities. Any polite thoughts on this?  Ken

[GARNabby]

I'm not joking around so lets calmy discuss this. If someone mastered hypnoisis, is it possible to put the dealer in a mild trance? Say like...pay you extra chips or put the marker on the wrong number (your number) etc.

Lets say I put a black chip on the winning number after the ball stops. Dealer says, "no way mister, thats cheating"! I calmy look into his eyes for a few seconds and all of a sudden, he says, "hey, nice hit, check 35 black". Think of the possibilities. Any polite thoughts on this?  Ken

Only if that person is already highly-suggestible, and deeply-down wants the players to win.  (We tend to see what we want to, especially when under some sort of stress/trauma.)

Over longer periods of conditioning (an other person), the idea is to re-inforce those innate tendencies already w/i the person... to "amplify" those rather than try to move those past some mean to those types/degrees of tendencies not alrealdy present.

But everyone is prone to distractions... and that's all about timing.

[Steve]

It's not impossible for some dealers, but if you wanted to manipulate the dealer or CHEAT, there are plenty of more practical ways to do it. Like have a chip under your sleeve. Have your arms on the table with another chip in your palm/hand. When the ball lands, you know the color. Then reach forward to place a bet on the inside. It will be rejected as it was too late, but from under your arm you will have slid the other chip onto a color.

Will this work in all casinos? Nah. It's old and a lot of casinos now track actual chip movement. Besides the penalties for doing it are serious. It's not like mere computer predicting. This is pure cheating.

I'm not sure how hypnosis would be from a legal view. Realistically though, possible or not I just dont think it would be practical even for dealers that were more susceptible to suggestions.

[GARNabby]

Realistically though, possible or not I just dont think it would be practical even for dealers that were more susceptible to suggestions.

The well-known mentalists and hypnotists are not allowed to play the casino-games.

The "Amazing Kreskin" for one, in his day.

[Steve]

I've heard of magicians being banned from card games, but never from games like roulette.

[simon]

is it possible to put the dealer in a mild trance?

........... what are you, nuts?  no, it's not.

I think the dealer is a little too busy to get hypnotised.  hypnosis is bs anyway.

[Steve]

Hypnosis is not nuts. It is simply nothing more than altering the state of mind to make people more susceptible to suggestions. Please do your research on what it is. Dont be swayed by the rubbish stage hypnotists on TV. But yes I dont believe it would be possible at a table - way too much going on. For it to be possible the dealer would need to be as weak as jelly, with nobody else paying attention.

[simon]

you have to be real willing to get hypnotized and even then it doesn't work, not for me anyway.  I TRIED to get hypnotized, so I know a little about it.

[Steve]

hypnotism isnt necessarily completely unconscious. In almost all cases, the person is 100% aware of the suggestions made to them. almost all hypnotism is where you lay down, relax, and open your mind to suggestions. very very few people are susceptible to the point where they can be full hypnotized to do something like leap of a cliff.

[GARNabby]

you have to be real willing to get hypnotized and even then it doesn't work, not for me anyway.  I TRIED to get hypnotized, so I know a little about it.

Even having the masses make a comment like that... is hypnotism, creating a (extreme) mind-set?

[GARNabby]

nolinks://nolinks.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=1515&forum=General_Discussion

I must say Ken, how many more chances is an "arse" like yourself allowed?  You posed a straight-forward question, and some of us gave straight-forward replies... for the benefit of ourselves, and the others.  Who did you make a fool of, with that post in the GG, really?  Are you that special?   Is this the only way you have of trying to look the winner?  Getting the clowns at the GG to "pee up against it" to mark it for you?  (Get a load of Ken's dialog in that thread, what an "arse"!)

Funny thing is, when you get a reply that really "ups" your other "pull the rug out" posts... you suddenly "turn it off", pretending to ignore it all then.

Yes, when Steve or someone else "bans" you again, then you'll be off to some other board to bore some more people there with it your "sob stories" everywhere else... to try again (to win something).

GETTING BORING.

P.S.  Dealers make errors all the time, even the hardest-core ones... wouldn't it be nice to know why, just in case it mattered?

[Mr J]

"then you'll be off to some other board to bore some more people there with it your" >>> #1 If you dont like it, dont reply. #2 That thread is out in the OPEN at GG, hardly hidden.  "Is this the only way you have of trying to look the winner?" >>> I make more than you do, sleep on that coolbreeze.  Ken

[GARNabby]

"then you'll be off to some other board to bore some more people there with it your" >>> #1 If you dont like it, dont reply. #2 That thread is out in the OPEN at GG, hardly hidden.  "Is this the only way you have of trying to look the winner?" >>> I make more than you do, sleep on that coolbreeze.  Ken

Ken,

My, how your demeanor has changed over night.

Not so out in the open as just posting a link with it, such as this, nolinks://nolinks.rouletteforum.net/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1264377398/s-0/ ... but you apparently had no intention of replying to this thread here anyway, right?  (Notice the "wagons beginning to circle" over there, as some fairly-accurate adjectives become Anagram's next target.  That's the thing about, dare I say it, the scammers... how can they discredit the obvious "nuts" when they're all using similar methods?  Everyone is "chummy" again.  Lol.)

"If you don't like it... ."  Who said I don't "enjoy" all of these posts/replies?  Maybe you're the one with the problems?

"I make more than you... ."   I already posted my first university degree over at the GG, in the thread, nolinks://nolinks.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=992&forum=Baccarat_Message_Board .  And in this thread, nolinks://nolinks.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=1003&forum=Baccarat_Message_Board , I afforded johno another opportunity to redeem himself in any way... other than the same old neurotic claims of glory.

Perhaps you can do no better?

P.S.  Is there no message-board you aren't constanly on?  What's up with that?

[Mr J]

Hang on coolbreeze, you're up next. I'm eating right now.  Ken

[manaman]

I'm not joking around so lets calmy discuss this.    If someone mastered hypnoisis, is it possible to put the dealer in a mild trance? Say like.   .   .   pay you extra chips or put the marker on the wrong number (your number) etc.   

Lets say I put a black chip on the winning number after the ball stops.    Dealer says, "no way mister, thats cheating"! I calmy look into his eyes for a few seconds and all of a sudden, he says, "hey, nice hit, check 35 black".    Think of the possibilities.    Any polite thoughts on this?  Ken

Sadly hypnosis dos'nt work that way! ALL HYPNOSIS IS SELF HYPNOSIS! the hypnotist doing a stage hypnosis show needs the permission of the audience members that take part in the show (usually the easily suggestable people are picked before the show starts) because you CAN NOT HYPNOTIZE A PERSON TO DO SOMETHING AGAIST THEIR WILL!

Now take a hypnotherapist for example, If he/she had a client that wanted to give up smoking and the hypnotherapist suggested to the client that he/she instead of lighting a fag and putting it to thier mouth, instead lit it and put it in thier eye( lit side first), do you think the hypnothearipsts suggestion would have much power of the sub-conscious mind? NO, because it would most defently be agaist the sub-conscious minds inbuilt protection system.   (the same system that makes you instantly without thinking put your hands over your head if some shouts "WATCH YOUR HEAD!!!!!!!!!!"

I've had  hypnotherapy to give up smoking,and the guy had a 95% success rate, I quit (1 session)after 13 years solid smoking,BUT, had I not been ready to quit, no suggestion would of worked! and I proved this because as I so thrilled at the results,I told my best mate at the time who had only smoked for 5 years and he booked up, now he said he wanted to quit(consciosly that is) but sub-sconsciously was not ready and went to have the treatment but it never worked! the hypnotherapist charged £250 backed up by unlimted free follow up sessions if the first was uncusessful, anyway, he went back 3 times and gave up on given up,and still smokes to this day.   

So simply put: For hypnosis to work, the persons sub-conscious mind thats being hypnotized needs accept the suggestion given to it to be able act on it,hence what I said earlier.   .   .    ALL HYPNOSIS IS SELF HYPNOSIS!

You cannot suggest to anyone "do this" or "do that" agaist their will otherwise all a really really good hypnothearpist would have to say is "go rob me a bank and bring all the money back and then when I click my fingers you will not remember a thing that you did today"  And from experience.  .   there is no trance in hypnosis like the old cartoons with the black n white swirling eyes had you believe, the whole process feels like sitting with your eyes closed.  .   yes that's it!

But saying that,one thing that would influence a croupier is N.   L.   P (Neuro-linguistic programming ) Persuasion Techniques,which is basicly using covert language patterns, and would only work if 1)You spent the years doing the very hard work learning to use covert language patterns.    2) the croupier was highly suggestible.    3) The croupier had been a croupier long enough that he's able to sub-consciously hit sectors of its choosing.   (afterall a top tennis player hits the ball subconsiously becuase the conscious mind dos'nt have enough time to process all the information to actually 'see the ball' )

[manaman]

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