One Man's Meat,another Man's Poison..

[Number Six]

I rephrase,

"[...]systems profitable TO HIM"

How can a system be profitable to one person only? If a system is a true winner it should apply on a universal scale, ie it should work for everyone.  The problem is, only very few people actually know what they're up against. They try to brute force their way through negative fluctuation by using progressions. It's medieval and demonstrates a critical lack of mathematical knowledge. Systems are designed for and suited to only one random state, be it depending on repeating numbers, chops of dozens, whatever. If the sought-after state appears and remains suspended in time, then the system will win. If the state changes, the system loses. Randomness has a myriad states and a system will only hold its own against one of them. Ultimately that's why they all fail. Bet selection needs to be flexible and reactive to the current state. Absolutely nothing else works.

[VLSroulette]

"How can a system be profitable to one person only? "

Hello dear Six, may I ask you another question:

"How can a person have an unique set of experienced actuals" 

Since we all experience different casinos, different wheels and different playing timeframes,  each gambler is a world my friend, each gambler is a world...

[VLSroulette]

By the way, please re-read my former post mate  .

I'm not discarding the "universal winning system" (I talked about common traits for all samples), but I'm not discarding either some person silently milking a system regardless of it being tagged as a loser by the world.

[bombus]

No More Bets,

I like your reply.  Welcome to the forum.  

Yes, nice reply...

Out of curiosity, didn't our old friend dyksexlic sometimes sign off with, "no more bets"?

I seem to remember someone like her did...

Oh well, back on topic please.


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In a nutshell,

All systems win, until they lose.


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So it's how you deal with the losses that might save your "meat" from spoiling - I keep mine in the freezer...

[Davey-Jones]

Personally, I'm not interested in playing with another man's meat.

[GARNabby]

How can a system be profitable to one person only? If a system is a true winner it should apply on a universal scale, ie it should work for everyone.  The problem is, only very few people actually know what they're up against. They try to brute force their way through negative fluctuation by using progressions. It's medieval and demonstrates a critical lack of mathematical knowledge. Systems are designed for and suited to only one random state, be it depending on repeating numbers, chops of dozens, whatever. If the sought-after state appears and remains suspended in time, then the system will win. If the state changes, the system loses. Randomness has a myriad states and a system will only hold its own against one of them. Ultimately that's why they all fail. Bet selection needs to be flexible and reactive to the current state. Absolutely nothing else works.

Very astute point... losing big isn't very different from eventually losing all bit by bit.  Ie, if the outcomes over the long-run are fairly-even,  better bet each of the possible oucomes rather than the same one, over and over.  The latter shall (certainly) "even out" to the vig (for the house), over the long-run; whereas the former will at least allow for the possibility ((only)) of matching a lot, or a few, of the outcomes... to win big, or lose big.  ((There are some truly-reactive logical strategies, but which i will not further strive to outline in this forum.))

In my previous reply in this thread, i neglected to mention another AP-type problem i came across at some of the bj-only sites.  The symbolically-cryptic/excessive (pure) math, which just has no practicality for anyone "out in the field".

[No More Bets]

The problem is, only very few people actually know what they're up against.  They try to brute force their way through negative fluctuation by using progressions.  It's medieval and demonstrates a critical lack of mathematical knowledge. 

Amen to that brother.

It's just like my Math Professor used to say -

"Aerodynamically, the foolish bumble bee shouldn't be able to fly, but the dumble bee doesn't know any better, so she just goes on flying anyway. "

[bombus]

Amen to that brother.

It's just like my Math Professor used to say -

"Aerodynamically, the foolish bumble bee shouldn't be able to fly, but the dumble bee doesn't know any better, so she just goes on flying anyway. "

That's not entirely true...

The bumble bee (bombus) achieves flight by beating its wings faster than any other insect, and beats them over a wider aperture than any other insect. These two conditions allow the humble bumble bee to compensate for his disadvantage... similar to the way I play roulette, actually... hence my nick.


                                                                                             

[poxet pool]

Here,Here to Number Six post..Hamlet could not have spoken better on the subject..I was so moved i reread the post 666 times..

[seykid29]

Indeed finding our own way to lead the way is the way to go.

[Tangram]

Personally, I'm not interested in playing with another man's meat.

[VLSroulette]

"unique actuals"? Could you elaborate.

Hello dear Spining7,

There's not much to elaborate regarding the unique set of actuals each gambler experiences on his/her own.

We all play on different casinos, different tables, different times, hence our very own stream of experienced real-money bets is different (I am only taking in consideration real-money bets, just not to get in problems ).

It would be very very VERY weird to see two gamblers experience the exact same set of numbers.

[VLSroulette]

This concept of personals actuals has been exploited from ages ago, reminds of the players who "do the homework" at home by analyzing their data considering only a big joined session.

Some do have the thinking of: "no matter where the spins are from; as long as the source is random, the distribution will be the same" (I.e. series of 1 outnumbering series of 2 at the even chances, more "Dozen jumps" than staying, deviations hovering at 3 SD, etc. etc. etc.) so if you are of that thought, then you would have no problem in applying the same strategies you would apply in a session to that multi-session stream that fits the same.

[VLSroulette]

By the way, the closer person I know who does like this is my ex-dealer friend -he lives one block ahead from my house-. He analyzes the most delay in events like "How many times dozen X shows and doesn't repeat" and so on (pure gamblers' fallacy) and he has been winning by adding more steps (or waiting) the longer the skips.

He has been betting considering all his spins for some years now. For one of his approaches he uses a 10-step single-dozen progression and waits for his signal -I.e. dozen 1 has the most shows without repeating (to form a series of 2+) at 14 at his samples, he would then wait 5 times for this event not to happen and then enters each time the dozen shows, betting on it to appear again, covering zero. I've seen him go to the bold extremes of his progression plenty of times. When something goes beyond his progression, he adds more wait, if he waited for 5 times without the event showing, he would wait for 6 times now and so on.

Three days ago we went to the local casino and he won as usual with his logically flawed methodologies.

We go regularly to the casino on the weekends together and it's been a long time since he lost a progression. Last week we went to another state and played and it took him 7 hours straight to achieve his win goal.

He DOES extrapolate actuals from one wheel to another successfully(!) and he does win his goal plenty of times; when not, it is usually because of time. So much waiting makes him look like "The thinker"
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By now, he only bets the automated wheels as at regular dealer roulette the pitboss complains about him skipping so many spins, and is always embarrased with the "Are you going to color-up sir?" question.  

[Bo0Merang]

well i have it past problems with actuals becouse  i didnt see before what i see it now but in a fact we deal with pure randomnes what can be your advantage orr disadvantage i was  take advantage i think i was tryit on diferent  wheels difernt numbers and everywhere it is the same becouse it is random which is easy understandable if we know what to lookingfore i just experienced  with  this couple days im  quiet omg  having something under nose and dont see it well i do nno

[Bo0Merang]

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