Hi Forum.
Well My Friends its time for Me to move on and Resign as the Administrator and also as a Global Moderator of this Forum.
This agreement with the Forum being Owned by Steve will not work for Me to remain as the Main Administrator.
And I will put some reason why.
1-There was to be no changes......
There has been and Steve makes them off His own bat without first conferring with the Administrators (well at least not with Xman and Me) and or the Mods.
2-I cannot and will not put up with Steve talking down to the Members in His reply posts.
Some have been little more then how a person would talk to a dog.
And of course there is His Favourite saying of "You Don't have to be here "
What sort of an Admin or and Mod would I be if I condoned this type of talk to the Members.
3-There was once a policy of No click-able links.
Now they are starting to spring up and I think that this is only the Tip of the Iceberg.
4-As My Friend BerlinerBruce once said to Me in a post "put Your hand over Your Heart"
Well I just can't do that and say that I think the sale of this Forum to Steve is/was in the best interest of You the Members.
I was/am personally Pissed off that Members donated to keep the Forum going and get Victor out of debt then shortly after that it was sold to Steve.
That to Me was not the right thing to do.
There was other options other then to do this.
What puzzles me the most about all this is that I notified Victor that I had a Friend that was interested in buying the Forum.
Victor informed Me that if My Friend was the highest Bidder He would get the Forum.
I never even received a reply with what the highest Bid was so that My Friend could have the chance to top that Bid.
That to Me was strange behaviour at the very least.
And I am led to believe that I was not the only one that did not get a reply either.
You could be forgiven to think that some sort of a sweetheart deal was done here with the sale of this Forum.
Having said all this I would like to Thank some people now.
To all the Mods Administrators etc past and present I thank You for what You have done for the good of the Forum.
To the Present Mods You have been great people to work with.
To sector players such as Kimo Li and Ronjo.
I thank You Both and even though I have tweaked Your methods somewhat to suit Myself I have won money with Your ways in the past Years.
To Herb and Chuck thanks for the education and the info on the VB and Bias ways of playing.
To All the System players (especially Victor & Steve Morgan)I thank You as well as there has been some very good ideas come forward.
If it Works DO it.
If it Don't work STOP it.
I have personally Met Six wonderful people from this Forum that are all great to be in the company of.
And in the coming months I will be meeting at least 3 more.
I have also Met many Members Via phone calls all over the world so many that I can't mention each name.....But To You people I thank You from the Bottom of My Heart........Thanks Mates.
Lastly but not least I would like to thank You The Members of this Forum past and present.
In one way or another You have enriched My life in a positive way.
My Wife and I wish each and every one of You all the very Best going forward into the future.
Steve and Or Victor You can now take away My Administrators and Global Moderator Status and return Me to being a Member.
Thank You All.
Your Friend.
Lanky.
Hey Lanky,
If I take nothing else away from this forum, I know I can take away the fact I can call you a friend! This forum will never be the same.
Victor, Steve - Please take away my Mod status as well.
Thanks and Good Luck
Lanky
I have been in this forum for around a here and your have ALWAYS helped everyone with your super fast replies and vast knowledge of roulette, including me. You have been a great mentor. We will definitely miss your etiquette in running the forum. Wish you all the best. If you need anything, you know my details.
Cheers
ozshab
Hi
I spoke via email to Lanky a couple of days ago about a few things I wasnt happy about.His advice to me was hang tight and see what happens...well I can see what happens....Steve,whoever,please take away my Mod status too...thanks to all the Mods and admin who made me feel welcome...
The Spiders Kiss
it's a shame u can't be a moderator, Lanky. At least don't leave the forum as a member. I have not been here for long, but I still feel that u were a great moderator, and gave lots of knowledge to the people.
THANK YOU
Quote from: Lanky on January 20, 2010, 05:31:25 PM
Hi Forum.
Well My Friends its time for Me to move on and Resign as the Administrator and also as a Global Moderator of this Forum.
This agreement with the Forum being Owned by Steve will not work for Me to remain as the Main Administrator.
And I will put some reason why.
1-There was to be no changes......
There has been and Steve makes them off His own bat without first conferring with the Administrators (well at least not with Xman and Me) and or the Mods.
2-I cannot and will not put up with Steve talking down to the Members in His reply posts.
Some have been little more then how a person would talk to a dog.
And of course there is His Favourite saying of "You Don't have to be here "
What sort of an Admin or and Mod would I be if I condoned this type of talk to the Members.
3-There was once a policy of No click-able links.
Now they are starting to spring up and I think that this is only the Tip of the Iceberg.
4-As My Friend BerlinerBruce once said to Me in a post "put Your hand over Your Heart"
Well I just can't do that and say that I think the sale of this Forum to Steve is/was in the best interest of You the Members.
I was/am personally Pissed off that Members donated to keep the Forum going and get Victor out of debt then shortly after that it was sold to Steve.
That to Me was not the right thing to do.
There was other options other then to do this.
What puzzles me the most about all this is that I notified Victor that I had a Friend that was interested in buying the Forum.
Victor informed Me that if My Friend was the highest Bidder He would get the Forum.
I never even received a reply with what the highest Bid was so that My Friend could have the chance to top that Bid.
That to Me was strange behaviour at the very least.
And I am led to believe that I was not the only one that did not get a reply either.
You could be forgiven to think that some sort of a sweetheart deal was done here with the sale of this Forum.
Having said all this I would like to Thank some people now.
To all the Mods Administrators etc past and present I thank You for what You have done for the good of the Forum.
To the Present Mods You have been great people to work with.
To sector players such as Kimo Li and Ronjo.
I thank You Both and even though I have tweaked Your methods somewhat to suit Myself I have won money with Your ways in the past Years.
To Herb and Chuck thanks for the education and the info on the VB and Bias ways of playing.
To All the System players (especially Victor & Steve Morgan)I thank You as well as there has been some very good ideas come forward.
If it Works DO it.
If it Don't work STOP it.
I have personally Met Six wonderful people from this Forum that are all great to be in the company of.
And in the coming months I will be meeting at least 3 more.
I have also Met many Members Via phone calls all over the world so many that I can't mention each name.....But To You people I thank You from the Bottom of My Heart........Thanks Mates.
Lastly but not least I would like to thank You The Members of this Forum past and present.
In one way or another You have enriched My life in a positive way.
My Wife and I wish each and every one of You all the very Best going forward into the future.
Steve and Or Victor You can now take away My Administrators and Global Moderator Status and return Me to being a Member.
Thank You All.
Your Friend.
Lanky.
Lanky,
I didn't get the chance to much interact with you, an administrator, but i got the feeling (from the start) you were trying to do your best... while expecting nothing in return. Therefore, the greatest loss by your departure from that station has to be the board's, in general.
Thanks for taking the time to repond to a couple of my posts, and for emailing me about the problem with access to the disputed-posts section.
Being relatively-new to the (commercially-competing) gambling/gaming message-boards, i am wondering, "What are the benefits of being a moderator/administrator, as opposed to being an owner?"
Goodbye Lanky I miss you already. Same here, as short lived as it has been, I do not want to be moderator.
Sorry to see you resign Lanky. But I can't say I blame you, under the circumtances. Thanks for all your kind help over the years. You are one of the true 'good guys' around here.
CD
It's a shame to see the forum has come to this, but nice to see that Lanky, Lohnro, Spider's Kiss and Proofreaders 2000 have some integrity, well done for standing up for what you think is right guys. Steve H buying this forum was only ever going to lead to this, i'm just surprised it's taken this long.
"And of course there is His Favourite saying of "You Don't have to be here "
What sort of an Admin or and Mod would I be if I condoned this type of talk to the Members" >>> Very true sir and I also was confused with taking a good chunk of donations and then sell the site. :spiteful: You are a good buddy Lanky, you are best of the best. Well, two mods leaving.
Let me take a WILD GUESS who will fill those spots. (It'll be a couple guys from RF, in the "crew") I said it six times and I'll say it again. Slowly, slowly is how the non-AP posters will see the changes, MORE towards the RF style. I warned you guys and it fell on deaf ears. Ken
well, i am a new guy here, but here is my 2 cents: we should not start "religious wars" here. Who is bad and who is good, and blame those and these. Not a good way to handle things i think. You may not agree to someone's decisions but mutual respect and being friendly and positive is important. I think.
after all we are here to defeat casinos, not each other. Past is past.
And i think this is Victor's right to decide what to do with the forum and what is the best. And he deserves respect, whatever decision he has taken. Even if some mistake was made from someone's point of view, whatever, it is not excuse to start wars here and be extremely negative.
i am not trying to be an asslicker to everybody, i just want peace, i found lots of nice people and nice stuff here, would be extremely terrible if all this gets lost in mutual conflicts. Too much effort has been put into this forum by different people.
Good on you Lanky. You have a good heart and stand up for what you believe in. I don't know you but I remember you used to post Tommy Cooper jokes a while back which made me laugh. I agree about what you said about Steve, he doesn't command himself in an honourable manner when answering posts.
Uly
Lanky bless him kinda said it all........ :rtfm:
I'd like to thank god, my parents, & my agent......
Ooops wrong speech :blush2:
Many thanks to the friends I have made & Victor, Lanky & Sam, the original VLS
& the Mod Crew for helping Lanky & I as Admins......
Well guys, ALL good things must come to a end........ :good:
Steve / Victor if one of you would kindly remove me from being an Admin & Global Mod & return me to a member that would be greatly appreciated :good:
To one & all, take it easy..... 8)
Moderators that requested removal of moderator status - it is done. If I missed anyone, PM me. There were far too many moderators here anyway, and several members complained about this.
When you break down and analyze what each of your said, clearly there is a large over-reaction but I sincerely have no issues with it. You can either accept or reject the following. The problem is many of you are so set in what you believe, which tends to be based more on emotion rather than fact. But if you have an open mind, then carefully consider what I'm saying. It will not change anything, except perhaps enlighten you.
Lanky I'll respond to your reasons:
Quote1-There was to be no changes......
There has been and Steve makes them off His own bat without first conferring with the Administrators (well at least not with Xman and Me) and or the Mods.
What changed?
I. I ran ads, which you knew about.
ii. I shuffled boards around so it was more user-friendly and easier to follow. The same content remains. Victor without me asking created AP boards which is fine as I was going to do it anyway. No roulette board is complete without including everything, wouldn't you agree?
iii. Members like Wendell attempted to return, but were promptly banned again. Other members like Herb came back, but I had no knowledge that he was banned until later. But there was a vote in the moderator section, and he wasa voted back anyway. I had clearly said on one of the threads when it came to things like banning members and/or bringing them back, people like Lanky (you) had a better idea of what was best because you had been here longer. I think you have jumped the gun Lanky, but I'm not going to argue about it.
iv. The forum is more prone to attacks from people like competitors. Big deal. It happens to RF to and the solution is a click.
Lanky, nothing significant changed except member perception. When it came to deciding things like the pit and members, there were votes, and my actions reflected the votes unless you count board shuffling and addition which has enhanced the forum, so I dont understand your issue with it.
Quote2-I cannot and will not put up with Steve talking down to the Members in His reply posts.
Some have been little more then how a person would talk to a dog.
And of course there is His Favourite saying of "You Don't have to be here "
What sort of an Admin or and Mod would I be if I condoned this type of talk to the Members.
Lanky, when someone attacks me calling me every insulting name such as scammer etc etc, I have every right to ban that member because it is a breach of rules. But rather than ban, I respond with facts and detailed information. Do you really expect me to be nice as pie to someone who attacks me personally? Look at both sides, Lanky. Who was talking to who like a dog? Who was attacking who?
Where was YOUR moderation when I was being attacked outside the rules, Lanky? Strange you cannot see this.
And sure, when people like Mr J and Garnaby who havent the vaguest idea about relevant issues and complain about me being the new owner and attack me personally, I will tell them they dont need to be here. You are all adults. And if you or anyone dont like the way things are run, you do not need to be here. Since I took control, the changes I have made have been positive. The only negative thing has been reactions from ignorant people like ganaby. I dont mind them speaking their mind provided they dont attack personally, which is what he did. Who spoke to who like a dog? Did you even read his posts, Lanky? At least I responded with facts to establish the man really had no idea what he was talking about.
Quote3-There was once a policy of No click-able links.
Now they are starting to spring up and I think that this is only the Tip of the Iceberg.
I was under the impression the links posted by members were automatically modified. Correct there should not be clickable links from standard members unless it is justified.
Lanky, you and the other moderators never informed me you were unhappy with anything I was doing. Nevertheless, you made your decision. Not a problem and your wish to be removed from being a mod is respected.
As for the rest of what you said, it has nothing to do with me.
Thanks for all your hard work xman1970! Ken
HEY LANKY,
YOU HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A GREAT GUY TO ME AND TREATED ME WELL, YOU ALSO HELPED ME WHEN THE OTHERS THOUGHT I WAS NUTS WITH MY TINKERING IDEAS.
REGARDS
STUART BRANDT :)
Thanks lanky for moderating this forum above the T.V. reality class..Go wallabies..
ehh Stewe when you will wrote some book ?? it is look like you have good skills with pen _well means keyboard :) i never have somethink to do with you even if i was see some complains it is not happened to me but im sure one thing IF YOU ARE SCAMMER ONE THAT BIG LIKE EVERYONE SAID YOU are not here you are death it means you still allive it is not that bad maybe you just piss of somebody :)))))))) i cant even imagine if you sell what ever you have - if you sell somebody from western europe like yougo,slovenia,bulgaria,croatia, orr biggest fun somebody from russia if there from this countries live someone in sydney and you are big scamer i do not believe that you still have hands orr ears :)))))) so seems like you have both hands eyes as well then no problem :sarcastic: :sarcastic: :sarcastic: :dance1:
Well the resignations suck, but I am glad and thank you guys for staying members.
I hope the board can continue being a place for open roulette debate and count with your presence in the present and in the future.
This is open to always being your "roulette home".
Quote from: GARNabby on January 20, 2010, 07:43:51 PM
"What are the benefits of being a moderator/administrator, as opposed to being an owner?"
Hello there dear GARNabby, may I answer:
Owner: The holder/keeper of the ".com" and the rights for the online presence. In charge of finding sponsorship, and the responsible of paying the bills to keep the place running, and of course collecting the financial benefit shall there be any as a result of the sponsorship.
Administrator: The CEO/manager/overseer person who manages the forum and is calling the shots on what goes and what doesn't. His benefit is purely personal satisfaction of steering the place in the right direction. A forum community gets imprinted heavily on the personal views of the administrator(s).
Moderators: In charge of keeping the bad posts out (spam/hate/illegal/disruptions) and the good threads clean. Benefit being personal too. Knowing they are doing their part in keeping the community they care about in good standing.
Hi Steve.
I will be somewhat kind in My reply to You THIS time.
QuoteWhat Changed..
Steve You did not communicate with You appointed Admins and or Mods about almost anything.
Like this Statement of Yours which I will Quote below.
QuoteThere were far too many moderators here anyway, and several members complained about this.
See Steve there was Not a word out Your mouth to any of us about any of this Mate.
And besides that was in My opinion always going to be Your Excuse if anything like this ever happened with even the departure of only one Mod.
QuoteBut there was a vote in the moderator section, and he wasa voted back anyway.
Steve You wanted to call yet another Poll about Herb coming back.
And I said something like this to You.
"Steve there is already a Poll in process right now about Herb "
If You would stop arguing with people over on GG and here on this Forum You would see what Your Moderators are trying to achieve for You"
QuoteI had clearly said on one of the threads when it came to things like banning members and/or bringing them back, people like Lanky (you) had a better idea of what was best because you had been here longer.
I think You did that post Yesterday or the day before if I am not mistaken Steve.
QuoteWhere was YOUR moderation when I was being attacked outside the rules, Lanky?
Steve By the time I saw any post that You had replied to...
You had already admonished the Member who posted it.
Why would I cause any Member further embarrassment after You had already addressed the Matter.
Where would the Aussie Fair Go be in doing that.
And Yet again Your Whingeing about stuff now that You never said a Word about while We were Mods.
QuoteAnd if you or anyone dont like the way things are run, you do not need to be here.
No shit Sherlock.
You use that so much You may as well put that up as Your Signature.
Is there any wonder why so Many Mods have resigned while You have that sort of attitude.
I understand that If I don't want to be here I can leave.
But I also have the right as a Member to reply to Your post to Me.
Steve may I suggest that both of us leave it here.....and thereby keep the peace here on the Forum.
If You Antagonise Me (Piss Me Off) I will not be so Kind to You Next time.....
I can assure You of that.
Lanky.
Quote from: VLSroulette on January 21, 2010, 12:19:52 AM
Well the resignations suck, but I am glad and thank you guys for staying members.
I hope the board can continue being a place for open roulette debate and count with your presence in the present and in the future.
This is open to always being your "roulette home".
Hi Victor.
Mate as far as I know none of us want to leave as Members.
However I think that will depend on what and how Steve conducts Himself concerning those that have resigned as Mods.
If He is fair with us I am sure all will stay.
Lanky.
Ps .> Thanks to all for the kind words and the support....Its very much appreciated.
Quote from: Lanky on January 21, 2010, 12:56:32 AM
Hi Victor.
Mate as far as I know none of us want to leave as Members.
However I think that will depend on what and how Steve conducts Himself concerning those that have resigned as Mods.
If He is fair with us I am sure all will stay.
Lanky.
Ps .> Thanks to all for the kind words and the support....Its very much appreciated.
It is good to know this dear Lionel.
I too hope to have a long road ahead of roulette debate and info exchange from the guys around here.
Do as I do, and see the relegated position as a RELIEF. (I.e. Now I don't own the place, I get the "Steve pays" benefit. I am very happy I simply have to forward the hosting bill to him and it is not my responsibility to find dollars in a dollar-restrained Venezuelan economy or asking each month for support... now the members can get the forum truly for free without any donations required, a relief for the supportive members too).
You can do the Relief game now and look at it this way: I don't administer the place "Steve has to care about administration issues now").
Now that you don't have administrative burden, ENJOY engaging on roulette debate, enjoy life and enjoy your hobby around here, let's start at our beloved situational-play section.
Look at this thread on Strategy-play nolinks://vlsroulette.com/situational-strategy-play/systems-do-not-win-players-do/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/situational-strategy-play/systems-do-not-win-players-do/)
Let's enjoy the debate and sharing and interacting with each other; let Steve handle the burden, he has agreed to them in exchange of the ownership benefits :)
Lanky, agreed to leave it at that. Partial misunderstandings, poor communication on both sides, and plain differences of opinions. So be it.
On other matters (to EVERYONE):
1. If I am attacked personally, I will respond - not with personal attacks back, but with facts and information to refute false claims about me. However, as you'd expect, I will not be so "kind" with wording when people attack me personally. If facts I present "embarrasses" people, it is not my doing directly. Simply don't attack me in an unjust way, and truth wont be embarrassing - cause and effect. Get to know me and I am a very benevolent person. I am well against conflict. I generally love life and wish the best for everyone, including my so-called "enemies", sincerely. But as Bombus once said, push me and I'll push back - not in a malicious way, but defensive. When members break rules to attack me, it would arguably be easier and more constructive to just ban members, but perhaps I have a stronger desire to correct ignorance.
2. If any member attacks another on a personal level, they will be warned. If they continue, they will be banned. I'm not exclusively talking about me - I mean for all members.
3. If anyone wants to attack my credibility or my techniques, DO IT WITH FACTS. DO NOT ATTACK ME PERSONALLY. CONDUCT YOURSELF IN A FAIR MANNER. ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. BE VERY CLEAR - IDEALLY NUMBER QUESTIONS AND MAKE SHORT CONCISE POINTS AND QUESTIONS. YOU WILL HAVE YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED. THERE IS NOTHING TO HIDE.
4. Many people have a pre-conceived idea about me. I knew this when I acquired VLS, even in the face of Ronjo's testing to prove my claims. you'd think a well known and trusted VLS member's testing would be enough, but there you go.. Anyway I knew there would be opposition and attacks, and I anticipated something like this would happen and it is fine. One way or another I'm sure you will see things over time here. You will see what I'm about. Just to everyone that "doesn't like" me: keep in mind the points above.
And finally: we can sit all day going around in circles with this stuff, but I suggest we just get on with it. Develop your systems. Discuss, share.
QuoteLanky, agreed to leave it at that. Partial misunderstandings, poor communication on both sides, and plain differences of opinions. So be it.
OK Steve
I think that is a Wise choice from the Both of us....Thanks for the reply.
Now on a lighter note.
Who pays Me My Long Service Leave and or Redundancy Pay......You or Victor.....LOL.
Lanky.
QuoteWho pays Me My Long Service Leave and or Redundancy Pay......You or Victor.....LOL.
That's the spirit.. let's lighten up a bit. Apply:
Are you an Aboriginal or Torres Straight Islander? Yes [ ] No [ ]
(They have special rights and this question is on just about every government form.
Victor has all my money now - he should pay.
Quote from: Steve GW on January 21, 2010, 01:32:08 AM
That's the spirit.. let's lighten up a bit. Apply:
Are you an Aboriginal or Torres Straight Islander? Yes [ ] No [ X ]
(They have special rights and this question is on just about every government form.
Victor has all my money now - he should pay.
No wonder Victor disappeared off the Forum Quick then.....
Victor get back here You Mongrel....Lmao
Lanky.
You crazy cats. Steve...lets go out for a beer sometime! :wub:
QuoteYou crazy cats. Steve...lets go out for a beer sometime!
Ken, I have even invited Mark Howe to visit me and have a beer, and promised not to spike it with laxatives. He didn't accept. I have tried everything conceivable to work issues out with people like Howe and Forester, the loves of my life. But they are just very, very different people. I just dont like conflict. I would happily have a beer with you, spike your drink with some roofies and have my way with you. I try to get along with everyone - even those who attack me. But some people just want to keep attacking. I have said many times especially to mark howe I never want conflict. But I WILL defend myself when attacked unjustly, which tends to get under people's skin when the truth is too confronting. But when someone wants to stab your eyes out like Mark Howe, it is a bit hard to grab his arse and call him pal. On that note i'm sure he reads here, so mark babe call me sometime like a man to resolve issues, just dont continue your threats and emails under fake names - it gets nowhere.
You Aussies should get together and sing "Waltzing Matilda" :clapping:
Thats not how it really works here.. down here, there are more than one meanings to the term "VB". One is advantage play, and the other is sacred and relates to what we do an inordinate amount of time. I've personally never sung that song, but if I did, I would have been very inebriated.
Quote from: Lanky on January 21, 2010, 01:44:03 AM
No wonder Victor disappeared off the Forum Quick then.....
Victor get back here You Mongrel....Lmao
Lanky.
Well, my new "salary" for keeping the technical aspects around here is
not to pay site expenses on the 27th/28th of the month, so I guess that goes up to Steve...
(If we go offline on the 28th, then people knows which payment Steve chose to make ;))
I'm glad everything is fine by now. Make me a "Forum Aussie" as an "honourable mention" title :)
On that note victor we need to sort out the hosting issues. Best via email. I'm hopeless with PMs they get messy and hard to follow conversations.
"Thats not how it really works here.. down here, there are more than one meanings to the term "VB". One is advantage play, and the other is sacred and relates to what we do an inordinate amount of time. I've personally never sung that song, but if I did, I would have been very inebriated."
Steve, maybe your enemies just feel miserable unable to understand your level of English? ;D
I don't often have to use a dictionary I swear, but "inebriated" I could not even find in lingvo.ru, only meriam-webster has helped me. :rtfm:
What about the term "pissed"? Surely that is a worldwide thing.
Quote from: Steve GW on January 21, 2010, 02:45:11 AM
On that note Victor we need to sort out the hosting issues. Best via email. I'm hopeless with PMs they get messy and hard to follow conversations.
Email sent Steve...
"piss-artist" :pleasantry:
Hi Steve.
Please remove my status as Global moderator. Time for me to move on as well.
Cheers
Jakk
Hi Hi captain Steve
All on board! This is the Titanic. Hope you can swim.
No man can have peace of mind if he doesn't do what he knows is right.
Steve you are heading for the ice burg. You know what's going to happen.
Good Bye
Hi guys,
Lanky's resignation ends my days as a mod. Time to move on. :)
Kindly demote me from the mod status. Thank you.
I wonder if the problem is with the mods or is it Steve so many left must be something to it I guess .
Well there were to many anyway stock standard answer :laugh:
Victor are you going to give the donations back not that I donated anyway
People donated in the assumption people like Steve wouldnt run this joint he has his own forum anyway very disappointing
Lionel this forum will miss your mod skills but i had a feeling it would come down to this knowing you personally and how you are
BTW I met mark Howie years ago seemed like a descent bloke
I guess it all comes down to perception
Oh and another thing I guess win3 million were right all the time wont they have a ball over this now
Why would I want my donation back? I like this forum whoever runs it. This is the best forum I have ever seen.
Why anything should change now? I understand the mods, they are all good friends with Lanky, they want to show their friendly solidarity and support for him. Maybe if I was a mod I would resign as well, just to support my good friend in his decision.
It doesn't mean though that everybody hates Steve I think. But it does mean that lots of people love Lanky. He is indeed a nice guy, and have done a lot for this forum I guess. But the fact that Lanky is a nice guy doesn't mean that Steve is bad. This world is not black -white, there are many colours, many people, many opinions. People don't always agree in everything, but because of some small disagreements - why predict a world's end. That's not 2012 yet, we can wait. :angry2:
u know this joke: a diver on a bottom of a sea gets an advice from "upstairs" : "don't bother to climb up, the ship is going down" :diablo:
Quote from: iggiv on January 21, 2010, 06:46:48 AM
Why would I want my donation back? I like this forum whoever runs it. This is the best forum I have ever seen.
Why anything should change now? I understand the mods, they are all good friends with Lanky, they want to show their friendly solidarity and support for him. Maybe if I was a mod I would resign as well, just to support my good friend in his decision.
It doesn't mean though that everybody hates Steve I think. But it does mean that lots of people love Lanky. He is indeed a nice guy, and have done a lot for this forum I guess. But the fact that Lanky is a nice guy doesn't mean that Steve is bad. This world is not black -white, there are many colours, many people, many opinions. People don't always agree in everything, but because of some small disagreements - why predict a world's end.
Spot on iggiv. :)
Hi Lanky, :thumbsup:
im not as involved with the roulette forums as I used to be but I couldnt help myself from replying on this thread to say Thankyou for all the help in the past, as im sure you have saved people from losing lots of money and given hope to those who believe roulette can be beaten with experience and money managment.
I wish I had a big succes story to tell you guys but YEP I still havnt visited a casino. the last 6 months I have been trying to find strong trigger points to start betting for example I love it when I see something like 12 spins 11 streets appeared as I try to catch a sector or two go mad for awhile.
anyway thats it for now I think just on friends laptop. :-X
mattjono
Quote from: iggiv on January 21, 2010, 02:08:38 AM
You Aussies should get together and sing "Waltzing Matilda" :clapping:
haha
Regarding VLS everyone can think and do whatever they want. Who cares if CEH gets off on it. That man gets off on his own reflection. The members are what makes the forum and you all make of it what you will. At RF the majority of members get what they want. The same goes for here.
My advice is just get on with the job. That's sure what I'm doing. In a week or so most of you probably wont even consider the fact there is a new owner.
Hi, y'all.
I haven't been here in a while. Looks like the neighborhood has really gone downhill. New (crooked) sherriff in town and all.
Usually I am a "let the buyer beware" kinda guy. But, I can see what's going on here.
Time for CHEERS and JEERS.
CHEERS
Charles Hamphire
-Got it right again. Maybe, the newbies here should check the sight out. They can learn alot.(for free) Not newbie? Maybe, you should read it again. Good stuff.
Natural9
-calling like he sees it
Mr. J
- Fight the good fight.
JEERS
Victor
-Looks like this deal was done a while ago. Sad Victor, sad
Steve
-Seems he doesn't really care what mods go. Probably going to put in his own "yes" men. (reference rouletteforum)
Lanky
-So you are just going to step aside and let him do that?
I am dissappointed.
-other leaving mods. Same as above.
It looks like the mass exodus is staged is all I am saying. If true, that would be a very sad statement. At best, Steve doesn't care if you stay or go, what does that say about your leadership and the new direction of BSLS?
Quote from: Steve GW on January 21, 2010, 07:45:52 PM... the majority of members get what they want. My advice is just get on with the job. That's sure what I'm doing. In a week or so most of you probably wont even consider the fact there is a new owner.
What do most of us want?
As for getting at something profitable, I think the idea here has to be to eventually simplify our ideas, and the development of those, on the journey to/from the complex... only found in the related academia.
Can't simplify what isn't complex, simple stuff won't work (here), and the masses require simplicity to function. (I, myself, can vouch for that process, with the most-amazing-ever new progress with my baccarat in specific, and gambling/gaming in general... people, it just takes time, BUT NOT the YEARS of "shooting in the dark" THE OTHER WAYS.)
Quote from: LL Church on January 22, 2010, 09:40:57 AM
Hi, y'all.
I haven't been here in a while. Lanky
-So you are just going to step aside and let him do that?
I am dissappointed.
-other leaving mods. Same as above.
It looks like the mass exodus is staged is all I am saying. If true, that would be a very sad statement. At best, Steve doesn't care if you stay or go, what does that say about your leadership and the new direction of BSLS?
LL church.........your right you havent been here for a while so you have no idea what been going on or said..either in here ,via emails ,via the Mods lounge or anything...so to say that the exodus looks "staged" is ridiculous....dont
bother rushing back if you cant do any better than cast aspersions....dont let the door hit your arse on the way out.
TSK
Quote from: The Spiders Kiss on January 22, 2010, 04:16:17 PM
LL church.........your right you havent been here for a while so you have no idea what been going on or said..either in here ,via emails ,via the Mods lounge or anything...so to say that the exodus looks "staged" is ridiculous....dont bother rushing back if you cant do any better than cast aspersions....dont let the door hit your arse on the way out.
The Spiders Kiss
No, I haven't been here in a while. But, I can read.
You are right I have no idea what is said via email, via the mods lounge etc,
Why are the mods just getting out of the way? That's all I am asking. Just seems to me you all are doing the wrong thing.
"don't let the door hit your arse on the way out" is just what Steve is saying to you guys, seems to me.
Good luck and fortune to you SP.
Hi Church.
QuoteLanky
-So you are just going to step aside and let him do that?
No....I am still here as a Member...and I can still have My say if I think other Members are being treated poorly.
QuoteI am dissappointed.
Be that as it may.....Its Your Opinion and Your entitled to it.
But I would have thought that You would not be doubting My Integrity in this matter.
Now I am disappointed that You would even think that.
QuoteNo, I haven't been here in a while. But, I can read.
Yes but it would appear that You have only read what it is that wanted to.
I will answer You Pm By Email at a later time.
Please pass on Our regards to Your Family Mate.
Lanky.
Hi Lanky,
Thanks for responding.
Sorry to see you resign. I hope the best for you and yours. I hope you can still keep some balance to VLS.
There are two ways of making money with roulette.
1. Play and win
2. SELL bogus ways to play and win
Which way will this forum go?
I am done here. I will try not to let the door hit my 'arse' on the way out.
I wish everyone the best.
Good luck with the big wheel everyone
-LL Church out
I thought I was done. :)
@philc
yep, the one and same.
If he asks for you to give him money, do as I do.
SAY NO THANK YOU
I never have and never will pay for a system or 'formula'
I wish you well :)
-Church finally out(I hope)
...... i think everybody should decide for them selfs if they want to stay here or not....... those who want stay, those who want not do not stay........ maybe an nice alternative...... the VIP forum........??
Carlitos
VIP is a very nice site. Not the busiest but its pretty cool there. Ken
....Yah exactly....not the busiest......it is quite slow.......but that can change ........... I would say those who do not want to stay here.....maybe this could be something....... lots of members are registered with more then 1 forum......
Carlitos 8)
Quote from: Carlitos on January 23, 2010, 04:57:55 AM
...... I think everybody should decide for them selfs if they want to stay here or not....... those who want stay, those who want not do not stay........ maybe an nice alternative...... the VIP forum........??
And why should anyone do that? VLS is still the best roulette forum on the internet.
As a member I do not see any major differences to make me leave... for now.
....if you read well, i wrote, everyone should decide for themselfs....... clearly, if you have been following this thread, you know that some people are not happy with the way that it is going and went...... so........
Well compared with the other forums it is still one of the better forum.......but it used to be much better...... especialy in the beginning.......
And.....like i said, lots of members are member to most of the forums on the Internet.......
Do as you want........ :pleasantry:
Carlitos 8)
QuoteNew (crooked) sherriff in town and all.
LL you are going to need to do more research. For example, you probably have no idea about Ronjo's testing. But for all I care, sure, I'm crooked. I sacrifice goats too. Like I said before, in a week or so skeptical people will start to realize nothing significant has changed here, and if they dont, so be it - other members who remained will continue as usual, plus new members who join. And people that have left will later realize they over-reacted to nothing. If you want details of what has changed, read earlier posts. Sure a few boards were shuffled. Same content, just easier to follow for everyone - especially new members. If you think it is too much of a change and that I'm "crooked", so be it.
Quote from: Steve GW on January 23, 2010, 08:34:41 AM
LL you are going to need to do more research. For example, you probably have no idea about Ronjo's testing. But for all I care, sure, I'm crooked. I sacrifice goats too. Like I said before, in a week or so skeptical people will start to realize nothing significant has changed here, and if they dont, so be it - other members who remained will continue as usual, plus new members who join. And people that have left will later realize they over-reacted to nothing. If you want details of what has changed, read earlier posts. Sure a few boards were shuffled. Same content, just easier to follow for everyone - especially new members. If you think it is too much of a change and that I'm "crooked", so be it.
Steve. I Think that if you are The modorater of this forum you need to be open minded and swallow your pride! Even if you dont beleive you still have the right to laugh in your head
Quoteif you are The modorater of this forum you need to be open minded and swallow your pride
If you are saying when someone attacks me and calls me a scammer without having any idea what they're talking about, that I should just grin and bare it. No. Firstly it would be a breach of rules for such a personal attack, secondly when I respond to such rubbish I present factual information that people can verify, and thirdly I'm not going to be nice as pie to someone who fails to read and as a result attacks me out of ignorance.
Sure as a mod I need to to be as neutral as possible. If I were that, I would plain ban warn then ban member for the attack (if personal attacks continued). But instead I let the member stay so I can refute the claims, provided what they say is within reason and not wild attacks, which they usually are because it comes from ignorance.
Quotebut it used to be much better...... especialy in the beginning.......
Carlitos, care to give precise details on this in the improvement thread?
Hello Lanky,
It's been awhile. Sorry to hear you have resigned your position. I am pleased to hear you are winning with GPM. I hope you and Nancy enjoyed "lunch on me."
Estavrue
aka Kimo Li
Hey Lanky,
Best regards to you and your wife mate. Now get down to Star City and make some use of your extra free time!
In regards to post #65 by Kimo Flee above:
Does this mean that you really returned his $55 US? Or does it mean that you really think he earned lunch from using GPM? As Mr. J/Ken would say "cough", Opps, am I gonna get banned or warned for telling the truth Steve? I am anxious to hear your reply Kimo Flee. Or maybe your "shill", I mean under-study Benmaster will be your voice. Just check Amazon. com reviews of Kimo Flee's book. Ben your one in a million thank goodness. Are you still playing the 25 cent rapid roulette machines at the Native American casinos after 2 1/2 years of tutoring? I can hardly wait. This should be good folks so stay tuned!
best regards,
Armclaydion
QuoteOpps, am I gonna get banned or warned for telling the truth Steve?
Nope you dont get banned for telling the truth, only for things like childish behavior - perhaps even fake names. Hey, you have 2 posts to your name. Peculiar. You know the rules.
Lanky
Hope you enjoy your retirement - you old b*stard. Kick back, relax, and enjoy the lack of stress over who said what, or who did this or that to whom. Just remember the circumstances of our meeting. God finds ways amongst the most extaordinary of circumstances. I salute a true warrior of Christ and a friend.
P.S What's a coincidence?
Hi Steve,
No problem bud. Everyone here know's I'm a square shooter. Check my IP it matches, and put me back as LeBear please. We are one and the same. So remove Armclaydion if you would, thanks. The truth always prevails, it always has. When on a journey of revenge it is always best to dig two graves. In this case one is for Kimo Flee, and the other is for Benmaster. Stay tuned folks, this is going to get really interesting! I guarantee it!
best regards,
Lebear/Armclaydion
I like straight shooters provided they have an open mind. Not f-ing around.
Who's More Foolish, The Fool, Or The One That Follows The Fool!
You better take an extra notch up on your jock strap Steve, and put on a fire resistant suit. The c**kroaches are going to be pouring out of the woodwork. No one is above reproach including me, but it's going to be laundry days at VLS!
best regards,
Armclaydion/Lebear
Hello Lebear,
Money was wired to Lanky days before he resigned via third party as "lunch on me". He now knows it was from me. Lanky stated in his post:
QuoteTo sector players such as Kimo Li and Ronjo.
I thank You Both and even though I have tweaked Your methods somewhat to suit Myself I have won money with Your ways in the past Years.
Lanky has great loyalty and friendship to you Lebear, hence, his decision to leave the group. I respect that.
There is something that I will never understand. Why is it when I give information to one person they fully understand and profit from it, while others feel they have been betrayed?
The lesson I learned from giving private information is no good can come from it.
Kimo Li
....well, there was more going on..... in the beginning with Gamlet and others..... there was more excitement......
Carlitos 8)
Hi Kimo,
The return of Lanky's money has been verified folks. Originally I was the one who was the third party that sent it to Kimo Flee. Now the original $50 was sent by me and another $5. 00 in a birthday card. The $50 from Lanky was a birthday gift for lunch for Kimo and his wife. The other $5 was for oh my, the private, private off site group where Kimo Flee was going to give it's members the Holy Grail. But wait, there is more. This is good, so stick with me folks. Not only did KF have his public site here on VLS, he had, lion's and tigers and bear's oh my, a private site here on VLS of which I was a member. There were a ton of private sites here on VLS gang. but that's not in play right now. We cab get into that later. That wasn't good enough because: drum roll here, the holy grail was to be given out in a private, ;D private site away from VLS. So for a number of months the chosen few to receive this great gift had to send KF $5, a picture of themselves, phone number, yada yada. Here is the picture I sent hxxp: skyblu. files. wordpress. com/2006/11/smokey-the-bear. jpeg Hadsome isn't he. Now, some of the international guys in the group sent coins through the mail and that was the first hold up as needless to say the enevelopes arrived empty of coinage. So as to speed things up I sent KF another $20 to get things moving as almost 2 months had past now, and a few of guys who really did need the HG were really in bad financial shape. Just to set the record staright here. I was not going to be in the group because of the picture thing. Even my State issued driver's licensce does not have a picture on it. But one of the guys went to bat for me and said what's the big deal with the picture. LeBear's a square shooter. So I was in. Details are not needed, but needless to say it all went very very poorly almost from the get go. More to follow. Armclaydion/LeBear
Let's clarify something here KF:
"fully understand and profit from it, while others feel they have been betrayed?
The lesson I learned from giving private information is no good can come from it. "
That's a quote from your above post. In Lanky's resignation post: "To sector players such as Kimo Li and Ronjo.
I thank You Both and even though I have tweaked Your methods somewhat to suit Myself I have won money with Your ways in the past Years. "
The key words here are: " have tweaked your methods". It is most interesting that your save all way of playing needed to be tweaked by a real pro Lanky, to even come close to working, and still there are issues with it. I told Lionel that was going to bite him after he posted, and it has.
Now back to the serial cliff hanger: "while others feel they have been betrayed?" Maybe some of the guys that were in the hush now, priavte, private group could come forward and say how they feel. I'm not going to put any of them in that position, but I can gurantee you most if not all feel betrayed". Here is a quote from KF himself when he fled the private, private group in severe depression after stringing everyone along " I'm spent ". His idea ie: HG you see was going to take possibly years to explain. Like I said earlier some of the members had months at best, not years.
Then Benmaster went after one of the members in the group, and that was a no no. That's when the really big melt down occured. See folks, there a number of us here that have been mates for a very very long time, years as a matter of fact. We are like an extended family, even though we are thousands of miles apart. Like every family we don't always see eye to eye, but when someone goes after a family member then the family members set aside there differences to come to the aid and protect the family memeber that is under attack. Benmaster under-estimated or did not know how tight the family really was as he was never a member of it.
Ben's probably an ok guy but he started a crap storm and it ended poorley. For what it is worth, I said before the thing even got off the ground it might end badly because of the teacher and I am sorry to say it did.
Hey Ben no hard feelings bud, I aplogize for dimimg you about the 25 cent play above that was un-warranted. I guess I'm still a bit annoyed about you going after one of my extended family members. But now that is put to rest too. Gee isn't laundry day great! Now if I could just knock the dung off my sandals.
So that's about it folks and that's how the honorable Kimo Flee got his name.
"The lesson I learned from giving private information is no good can come from it. " a quote from Kimo Flee from above.
And the lesson I learned is that no useful private information was ever disclosed and if it is to good to be true, it probably is.
best regards,
Armclaydion/LeBear
P. S. Kimo: Lionel/Lanky and I are still attached at the hip and that will never change. My wish for you is that at some point in your life you get to have that type of attachment to someone other than your spouse. Peace
Quote from: Armclaydion on January 25, 2010, 01:04:16 PM
Hi Kimo,
The return of Lanky's money has been verified folks. Originally I was the one who was the third party that sent it to Kimo Flee. Now the original $50 was sent by me and another $5. 00 in a birthday card. The $50 from Lanky was a birthday gift for lunch for Kimo and his wife. The other $5 was for oh my, the private, private off site group where Kimo Flee was going to give it's members the Holy Grail. But wait, there is more. This is good, so stick with me folks. Not only did KF have his public site here on VLS, he had, lion's and tigers and bear's oh my, a private site here on VLS of which I was a member. There were a ton of private sites here on VLS gang. but that's not in play right now. We cab get into that later. That wasn't good enough because: drum roll here, the holy grail was to be given out in a private, ;D private site away from VLS. So for a number of months the chosen few to receive this great gift had to send KF $5, a picture of themselves, phone number, yada yada. Here is the picture I sent hxxp: skyblu. files. wordpress. com/2006/11/smokey-the-bear. jpeg Hadsome isn't he. Now, some of the international guys in the group sent coins through the mail and that was the first hold up as needless to say the enevelopes arrived empty of coinage. So as to speed things up I sent KF another $20 to get things moving as almost 2 months had past now, and a few of guys who really did need the HG were really in bad financial shape. Just to set the record staright here. I was not going to be in the group because of the picture thing. Even my State issued driver's licensce does not have a picture on it. But one of the guys went to bat for me and said what's the big deal with the picture. LeBear's a square shooter. So I was in. Details are not needed, but needless to say it all went very very poorly almost from the get go. More to follow. Armclaydion/LeBear
Quote from: Armclaydion on January 25, 2010, 02:06:14 PM
Let's clarify something here KF:
"fully understand and profit from it, while others feel they have been betrayed?
The lesson I learned from giving private information is no good can come from it. "
That's a quote from your above post. In Lanky's resignation post: "To sector players such as Kimo Li and Ronjo.
I thank You Both and even though I have tweaked Your methods somewhat to suit Myself I have won money with Your ways in the past Years. "
The key words here are: " have tweaked your methods". It is most interesting that your save all way of playing needed to be tweaked by a real pro Lanky, to even come close to working, and still there are issues with it. I told Lionel that was going to bite him after he posted, and it has.
Now back to the serial cliff hanger: "while others feel they have been betrayed?" Maybe some of the guys that were in the hush now, priavte, private group could come forward and say how they feel. I'm not going to put any of them in that position, but I can gurantee you most if not all feel betrayed". Here is a quote from KF himself when he fled the private, private group in severe depression after stringing everyone along " I'm spent ". His idea ie: HG you see was going to take possibly years to explain. Like I said earlier some of the members had months at best, not years.
Then Benmaster went after one of the members in the group, and that was a no no. That's when the really big melt down occured. See folks, there a number of us here that have been mates for a very very long time, years as a matter of fact. We are like an extended family, even though we are thousands of miles apart. Like every family we don't always see eye to eye, but when someone goes after a family member then the family members set aside there differences to come to the aid and protect the family memeber that is under attack. Benmaster under-estimated or did not know how tight the family really was as he was never a member of it.
Ben's probably an ok guy but he started a stuff storm and it ended poorley. For what it is worth, I said before the thing even got off the ground it might end badly because of the teacher and I am sorry to say it did.
Hey Ben no hard feelings bud, I aplogize for dimimg you about the 25 cent play above that was un-warranted. I guess I'm still a bit annoyed about you going after one of my extended family members. But now that is put to rest too. Gee isn't laundry day great! Now if I could just knock the dung off my sandals.
So that's about it folks and that's how the honorable Kimo Flee got his name.
"The lesson I learned from giving private information is no good can come from it. " a quote from Kimo Flee from above.
And the lesson I learned is that no useful private information was ever disclosed and if it is to good to be true, it probably is.
best regards,
Armclaydion/LeBear
P. S. Kimo: Lionel/Lanky and I are still attached at the hip and that will never change. My wish for you is that at some point in your life you get to have that type of attachment to someone other than your spouse. Peace
My god, how often are the "highest" the lowest?
Have youze all learned your lessons yet? I doubt it... . :o
"My god, how often are the "highest" the lowest?
Have youze all learned your lessons yet? I doubt it. . . . "
Gees GARNabby if i want a lecture I'll call my Mother in the future! But I can't because she is dead! And a lecture from you does not even make the Z list much less the A list. Your opinin of " I doubt it. . . . " is kinda like backsides, everyone has a different one. Thanks for showing yours mate. It's s really really a bad visual by the way. HAHAHAHAHAHAH! Just take the above as a good lesson for everyone and let'all just let go. Sometimes the truth hurts but non the less it is still the truth.
best regards,
Armclaydion/LeBear
Hi Forum
OK Let Me clear a few things up here.
Yes I have used Kimo ways at times since 2007 when I tweaked it to suit My style of play.
This was after I exposed Chippo as selling Kimo's GPM as His own way.
(all He (chippo)did was add the zero to 2 of the sections of the GPM)
In fact Chippos secret 6 Numbers were all actually Kimo's Numbers from the GPM Method as told by Kimo Li in His book.
Let me be Quite clear here this is nothing from any Private Group that was formed.
I could never use anything that came from that.
I could not be taught that for some reason I could not understand the teaching and I never had any success with it what so ever.
Yes Kimo and His Wife and Me and My Wife were/are Friends.
Yes I sent Him a Birthday Gift of $50.
Yes He has Returned the Favour of $50 + Via a third person Not long before I Resigned as the Administrator.
So I thank Him and His Wife for that.
As to this Part.
QuoteWhy is it when I give information to one person they fully understand and profit from it,
If thats meant as anything that was shared between Kimo and Me on a personal or as a Private group thing.
Then the answer is NO that's not Correct...I never could learn those ways.
However as I have said earlier I did and have and are still winning at times with way I tweaked the GPM method from since 2007....I use it as a type of sector method...and I would play it differently then most would think of doing it.
I have never denied that.
Lanky.
QuoteFrom roules .
Hey Lanky,
Best regards to you and your wife mate. Now get down to Star City and make some use of your extra free time!
Thank You Roules I appreciate it Mate....Check Your Pm Mate.
Lanky.
Quote from: Iwonder on January 25, 2010, 06:58:04 AM
Lanky
Hope you enjoy your retirement - you old b*stard. Kick back, relax, and enjoy the lack of stress over who said what, or who did this or that to whom. Just remember the circumstances of our meeting. God finds ways amongst the most extaordinary of circumstances. I salute a true warrior of Christ and a friend.
P.S What's a coincidence?
Hi Mate.
Yes Your right Mate...and I thank God everyday for You and Your Family Mate.
coincidence <> My fat arse it was...hahhahahha.......Lmao.
Love to the Family Mate.
Lanky.
QuoteP. S. Kimo: Lionel/Lanky and I are still attached at the hip and that will never change. My wish for you is that at some point in your life you get to have that type of attachment to someone other than your spouse. Peace
Never a truer word spoken My Mate.....I wish for other people as well.
Good OnYa My Mate.
Love to the better half Mate.
Lion.
@Lanky >> I have not asked in awhile. How is your wifes health doing? Ken
Quote from: GARNabby on January 25, 2010, 03:16:53 PM
My god, how often are the "highest" the lowest?
Have youze all learned your lessons yet? I doubt it... . :o
GARNabby.
I hope you don't think that there is anything wrong with people forming there own Groups,On-site or Off site be it by Pms,Emails and at different Forums etc.
I could not even begin to count how many of our Members do that.
You Yourself have one do you not Mate ?
Actually if You drop me a PM with the Link I would like to have a look around there.
Lanky.
Quote from: Mr J on January 25, 2010, 08:33:54 PM
@Lanky >> I have not asked in awhile. How is your wifes health doing? Ken
Hi Ken.
She is doing really well now Mate.
The Leukaemia did arc upwards on the graph when She had Her last Operation.
But that has all settled down again thank God.
She sees the cancer Specialist again on the 22 nd Feb.
Thanks for asking Ken.
Your a Good Bloke Mate.
Lanky.
Quote from: Armclaydion on January 25, 2010, 03:58:45 PMGees GARNabby if I want a lecture I'll call my Mother in the future!... Thanks for showing yours mate. It's really really a bad visual by the way.
Armclaydion,
Why can't the experts here, as they anywhere else, "sit down" and think the thing through from start to finish, given they already possess a consistently-winning system, and crystal-clear guidelines of the philosophical, ethical, professional, logistical, etc sorts... parts of which may be dissembled to the masses as some sort of proof of, and hence something to strive for.
The only reasonable conclusion, and well before you posted that, was that they were never experts, at least not expert gamblers. Eg, secrecy for the sake of its self has more to do with getting scammed.
Why even hold a board such as this by which the masses are expected to contribute something of (potential) value, yet be excluded from a few of the refinements by the experts?
If you, yourself, really want to "get on with it" [paraphrased], then please forget about the avatar-material.
Hi GARNabby,
I think you need to direct that last post of yours to Victor mate. He was at the throttle of the locomotive ie: VLS as the engineer. I just happened to be a commuter riding on the train at the time. I may not get to blow the whistle as a passenger, but when the train comes off the tracks it's not my problem either.
Victor, for once just come clean with the board and list all the private groups that were here in the past 2 years. And while your at it list the sub-groups of the annointed ones too. I was just another boot on the ground and never made it to the altar of the Gods GARNabby. Hey, here is a great idea Victor, since you were the engineer, maybe you should list all the members of the groups and the other sub-groups and there other member names and alias's that way GARNabby might be satisfied. How about it? Waiting eagerly for your reply.
best regards,
Armclaydion/LeBear/Chuck yeah we are all the same guy.
Amoxicillin/Lebovine
I think Kimo did use good judgement excluding u from knowledge sharing..All ur post proves what a sqaulid pigsty u are...gotta find somebody to blame for ur losing streak eh?....Since u already let urself down... try steve for his winning system? He tinks ur a square shooter. don't dissapoint him if u cannot come up with a 50/50 split... u demeaning mudslinger...
Hey Pocket Pool,
Before you stick your head any further up your arse without complete information, and need every proctologist in your local area to remove it, you better wise up. Kimo Flee shut the whole group down not just me you clown. His understudy Benmaster set the whole thing into motion, not me you jerk. It would not surprise me if that was not a pre-planned event, that's just my opinion. So before you go spouting off anymore, don't bring a knife to gun fight amigo. If anything I have said is not true, prove it. You can't, because it is the truth. Since you think Kimo Flee is your saviour, ask the annointed one how big a bank roll he needs to play his so called method. He never has said, and was asked many times by those in the group because it has to be enormous to carry over the dispersion that occurs in this game of chance. I wish you all the luck in the world my friend, because you are going to need it if you play his method for big money.
best regards,
Armclaydion/LeBear/Chuck
Hey Lebovine...proof? to some languid couch potato...I recant my suggestion...just stick with play money.
Hey Pocket Pool,
Gee that is some original material there " play money " How long did it take you to come up with that one? And gee couch potato, that is really original too. Come on down to LV sometime hot shot, let's see what ya got. Oh by the way I have no connection with Steve amigo. So next time when jump into a barrel of tits and come out sucking on your thumb you won't look like such a fool. because you've had the experience already.
best regards,
Armclaydion/Lebear/Chuck
Hi Forum.
OK now I would like to ask Steve and Victor a very important Question.
Can the PM's that the Members send to each other be read by You as the Owner or by Victor as the I.T. Guy.
Let Me broaden the question to this below.
Have all the PM's ever sent on this Forum remained just that Private Messages between the Members to one another .
Can You and Victor categorically state that this is case.
And that PM's can't and could not ever be read by anyone else.
Lanky.
....and even after deleted by a member? Ken
I rarely post anything but I feel that I have to make a comment here.
I would first like to say that both Lanky and LeBear are two of the most honorable people I have ever known and anything they say can be taken as the truth.
It was not just Lanky and LeBear that were unable to learn Kimo's teachings. I was also in the private groups along with "several" other people. I do NOT know of one person that was able to take Kimo's methods and make them work.
I spent countless hours reading Kimo's books, observing at live local casinos and "live" online casinos and was unable to find his methods to be any better than any other system. They win at times and LOSE at times. Trouble is that because of the progressions when you lose you lose in a BIG way. You would need a huge bankroll and even then there are table limits.
iggy
fellas, quarrels and calling each other different names won't do any good at this forum. This forum is supposed to be a friendly community as far as i know. when u start fighting and hating each other it doesn't do anything except a damage to this forum.
u can say the same things looking more neutral than using insulting nicknames and so on. and be more constructive.
if u think that some system doesn't work u can say so without attempts to put down its creator. If u have some facts proving some system is not working out why not just state the pure facts without getting into someone's underwear looking how clean it is .
just my humble opinion
dear Lanky i wish your wife to feel good a be healthy from the bottom of my heart
Thing is....its just a simple question. Ken
I told myself I would always stay off threads like this, I'm not even reading them as soon as I spot the true nature / intentions of the thread, but I was pointed here by a member who told me if I didn't answer here he would know everything said here is true and some other name callings, that I was a ****. So mature. So I checked and saw this. What's this all about anyway?
Chuck, I was asked to create some boards away from disruptors (I.e. private) where only productive members would take part. NO evil conspiracy from me to achieve... what? :blink:
Lionel, everything you type on your computer can be tracked and read by 3rd parties if they would wish to, INCLUDING YOUR PM's, emails, all your submitted form data, everything... at every website and every single forum in the universe... It can't be prevented, it is simply the way the internet works. There are logs at every single point of your connection to overseas.
The only way to keep something private is to never type it online.
The part to keep the eye on is: "IF THEY WISH TO"... As to me, I respect people, I respect their PM's.
Charles Hampshire knows better than anyone that I don't care the least bit as to what people do at their PM's. Him and his minions claim to do everything they wish in our forum via PM's as he even advices his followers to recruit using our very own PM infrastructure. I sincerely don't care. Private is private to my eye and frankly I don't have the will.
@Ken
Internally, the PM's are stored only once for any sender-receipt pair. This data is presented then marked as read, but as long as one of the members has the message in either their inbox or outbox, it stays.
For the messages to completely be eradicated by the forum software they must be removed from both the sender and recipient's inbox and out box pair.
So well. Everyone can feel free to remove the PM's it makes no difference to me, I don't read them, never have, never will.
I couldn't care less as to what people do and talk via PMs I won't and have never taken a single second of my time to the witch hunt of reading raw database files to hunt anyone's private messages.
There are no conspiracies. This sort of thing is what makes me NOT want to make any other single forum EVER. I will better simply offer online tools and paste ads on them. Old-fashion read-only website. After my personal commitment with Steve ends on Jan 2011 (1 year of support), I think I'll simply disappear from the forum scene forever.
I guess my VLSforum.com endeavor is never to see the light. It simply isn't worth to spend time creating things that people would submit to such a crappy "conspiracy theory" mentality instead of just using them and enjoying the features and having a ball while doing so, deriving a healthy benefit out of it.
"I was asked to create some boards away from disruptors (I.e. private) where only productive members would take part" >>> These boards exist now? Productive means: Everyone agrees with each other? Ken
Quote from: Mr J on January 28, 2010, 06:54:02 PM
These boards exist now?
Some were wiped clean by their owners, some are still at the database but as dead as a ghost town.
Public or private, this is still roulette what we are dealing about, which means what some person claim is the holy grail is totally 100% losing for the next guy.
Whoever believes ANYONE would hand out an invincible system, is still at a very early stage of his roulette learning; it may be "invincible" at the samples existent to the present day, no guarantees in the samples from the day that person told you the system to tomorrow and the day after. This is reality to accept. Like Manrique keeps telling and telling to newcomers, the first step to move forward in this game is accepting "THERE IS NO SYSTEM" (but that doesn't mean you shouldn't play systematically, or apply a form of order or criterion to your bets). Meditate on it.
Quote from: Mr J on January 28, 2010, 06:54:02 PM
Productive means: Everyone agrees with each other? Ken
No. I've seen the same quacks and quarrels in the private groups as well as the public, plus the added paranoia of "the big brother is watching you". Productive means the disagreements are in between less people, which happen to be friends. Which means there are more chances to get over them.
Thanks for responding Victor. Thats twice in one day! Once here and also on another board (Funkyg). I ask a question...I get an answer. Lets keep the ball rolling! Ken
Victor, please don't be too angry, take it easy and DON'T DISSAPEAR for god's sake. I understand that u r upset at this moment...
pero por favor!
We know that u put lots of your effort, your own sweat, nerves and your private time into this project, but people DO APPRECIATE it. And you know that! One question at one moment of the time doesn't change the whole picture.
take it easy ok? We know u would never read other people's correspondence. Maybe somebody else would, not u.
(that's why i don't like virtual quarrels -- they are very destructive)
The unappealing thing about owning a forum is that you are in the spotlight, and such people tend to be targeted for attacks. Nobody wants to be attacked, but you cannot please everyone. So all you can do is just use your own best judgement to do what is right, what is best for the forum and its members - and not take attacks from morons to heart.
From what I've seen, Victor was attacked from absolute morons - as he put it, people with bad hearts. There are a lot of such people on forums, but more so on "gambling" forums. Loads of screwy people in this industry.
I'll tell you whats worse. Try going to a bar where everyone is F***ED UP. Talk about sports, religion and politics. >:D Thats where I got my training. Joking aside, I have seen some HEATED arguements. Face to face stuff, no message boards. Ken
lots of bad people everywhere online. Internet forums kinda attract bad people, "trolls". But there are lots of nice people in this forum, that's why i like it. and i am not even talking about lots of valuable info u can find here.
though i havent been in this forum for too long ( used to read it before registered), i still feel it is gonna be a GREAT LOSS, if this forum with its spirit as it has been is gonna be destroyed, and also if Victor leaves it. And there is not question that without VLS himself -- VLS will not be VLS anymore. :(
but despite some bad people, attacks, some wrong questions whatever, we know for sure that Victor gets lots of respect from most of people here, respect which he deserves.
"I'll tell you whats worse. Try going to a bar where everyone is F***ED UP. Talk about sports, religion and politics. Thats where I got my training. Joking aside, I have seen some HEATED arguements. Face to face stuff, no message boards. Ken"
u and Steve wanted to have another kind of drinking training session :lol:
something new for u maybe
Can you see Steve and I drunk, sitting around, talking? Ken
Dear Iggiv, I'm not really angry, it is another emotion, not anger.
Regarding the leaving, only time will tell. As for me, I posted my way to play, I helped at least 1 member = I'm happy.
This is a hobby, and a hobby would it remain. I won't quit at the game for the time being, so in that regard, I'll keep posting at what I'm active at while I keep enjoying it; despite some losing sessions lately, I'm not losing on it overall so I guess I'll keep milking it slowly with patience, looking at time as my friend to help me build my weekly, monthly, and yearly goals, without wanting to "rush the times" just like the "perfect loser" figure demands to do.
By the way, Ken puts it clearly: the "I quit this game" factor has to be taken seriously when considering a forum's "health" in regards to active members. They come and go as soon as they burnout with the game.
Some people want roulette to make them rich, I already know it isn't possible. What I can see myself missing is helping the newcomers to avoid making the same mistakes I did in the past (explosive progressions such as the martingale, thinking "it can't get another XYZ spun", etc.). I do enjoy helping, both in public as well as privately; even if it is to help someone to "lose less" (I.e. analyze more, do more virtual game in between real-money bets, etc.).
I know VLSroulette wouldn't be the same without VLS, I can only hope I am a) still up in my game averages for this date next year. b) not "burnout" by the ratio of helped people versus people who dislike me. I guess I'll either get more bitter and get into the "I don't care" attitude OR shall I remain actually caring, just leave.
I'll calm down and time will tell dear Iggiv. Thanks a bunch for your words. P.S. would you like posting access at my section? I want to bring life to it to make it a calm place for me to debate with the chums, to have a little space in the forum the way it should be!
All joking aside Victor, I do agree with that. I think a good percentage of people either get burnt out, bored, lost quite a few bucks, dont have a BR to even start out, no B&M casino in town etc. Ken
Quote from: Mr J on January 28, 2010, 10:34:26 PM
All joking aside Victor, I do agree with that. I think a good percentage of people either get burnt out, bored, lost quite a few bucks, dont have a BR to even start out, no B&M casino in town etc. Ken
Ken, this is due to the "Some people want roulette to make them rich" factor...
There are gamblers and there are "grinders".
Quote from: Mr J on January 28, 2010, 10:34:26 PM...I think a good percentage of people either get burnt out, bored, lost quite a few bucks, dont have a BR to even start out, no B&M casino in town etc. Ken
When you learn what not to do to be a good gambler, somehow the game gets very serious and the fun is taken out of it IMO. It is a lot of pressure trying to maintain your bankroll against the casino's edge.
Not bragging but I kind of have it good. B&M casino 20 minutes away, multiply BRs, TONS of trial and error over the years, I have the TIME to devote to playing, I answer to no one if I/when I lose. I like it, I love it, I want somemore of it. :sarcastic: Ken
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on January 28, 2010, 10:47:28 PM
When you learn what not to do to be a good gambler, somehow the game gets very serious and the fun is taken out of it IMO. It is a lot of pressure trying to maintain your bankroll against the casino's edge.
For those who have approached such games with the single intent of preserving his/her BR until a proved (practicable and practical) consistently-winning system for one of those has been found/invented... it is "the best of times".
QuoteLionel, everything you type on your computer can be tracked and read by 3rd parties if they would wish to, INCLUDING YOUR PM's
Yes well the fact that other people can read what I thought were Private between to the two parties does not exactly fill Me with joy Victor.
In fact it makes Me bloody angry that it could happen.
If I had known that...I would never have written one of them.
Its amounts to nothing more then having Pm's read by Stealth.
QuoteHey, Lanky you have 1003 messages,
Seeing I have that many PMs and some have very sensitive and personal information in them Including some to You as well Victor.
To have a Forum set up where outsiders can read PMs is Ludicrous.
When other People can read what is private is just plain Stupid.
What is Private about it if others can read it ?????
Anyway I have asked the Question not only for My own benefit but on behalf of a fair few other Members who Voiced their concerns about this to Me because rumors were running rife about it.
Let Me say this to those people and Others.
I have found out that if the Forum is not set up Correctly then OTHER people meaning MORE then Victor or Steve could read them.
I will go through the Laborious task of deleting every one of them and I would advise anyone that has a Pm from Me to do the same thing.
As was advised by Victor as the only way to make sure they are completely safe.
Lanky.
Lanky,
As requested I have deleted ALL your messages to me, no matter what content ,. :ok:
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Quote from: Lanky on January 29, 2010, 07:05:10 AM
I have found out that if the Forum is not set up Correctly then OTHER people meaning MORE then Victor or Steve could read them.
Lionel, WTF???? Please do tell me the exact settings you have found out in the forum's setup that need to be addressed or otherwise it allows for people to come and read your messages? What is the security hole you found out? What file is it and which is the exact line of the forum's source code that does allow an outsider to enter your private inbox and read it?
IT IS ONLY A RUMOR LIONEL... A RUMOR... and a
very bad-meaning one.
ANYWAY, THE PRIVATE MESSAGE FUNCTIONALITY CAN BE REMOVED COMPLETELY IF WISHED BY THE MEMBERS.
THERE ARE NO CONSPIRACY THEORIES ABOUT READING SOMEONES' MESSAGE INBOX.
You want a poll? Let's have a poll to remove the PM's if you guys want.
By the way, those voting "YES" in such a poll also be certain ask every administrator from every forum on the world wide web to remove the PM functionality too, because it can be a huge privacy risk due to the way the internet works: the data packets typed at your computer are bounced from network to network from every route to destination and they can be read at every point by the evil sysadmins worldwide.
Better yet, never use the internet again, because this process happens with everything including your email whatever service you have and with any data you submit to every website in the universe.
...This sort of paranoia only shows how poorly informed people is regarding the infrastructure of the internet. Data travels from point to point physically and it *COULD* be intercepted in the travel time.
C'mon, you wouldn't think you typed the data on your PC and it would be magically teleported to the destination PC without it passing for plenty of routers where it can be intercepted and read, do you?
Final solution to paranoid people: STOP USING THE INTERNET :swoon:
Anyway, you know why people can be certain there isn't an evil conspiration to intercept and read their person-to-person messages? BECAUSE OF THE VALUE OF THE DATA ITSELF.
Are they Banks exchanging powerful financial information? NO.
Are they Companies exchanging trade secrets information? NO.
What is the data they could get? PERSONAL IMPLIES IT IS AS VALUABLE AS: "OMG, I had a dream where Stephanie told sportacus to f**k off from lazy town"... sort of that value. This is why sysadmins don't lose their sleep and time over it. The reward simply doesn't worth mounting the conspiracy, then better just sleep.
Quote from: Mr J on January 28, 2010, 11:05:23 PM
Not bragging but I kind of have it good. B&M casino 20 minutes away, multiply BRs, TONS of trial and error over the years, I have the TIME to devote to playing, I answer to no one if I/when I lose. I like it, I love it, I want somemore of it. :sarcastic: Ken
The welfare-client's dream?
Quote from: VLSroulette on January 29, 2010, 10:19:58 AM
Anyway, you know why people can be certain there isn't an evil conspiration to intercept and read their person-to-person messages? BECAUSE OF THE VALUE OF THE DATA ITSELF.
In the real world, Victor... in the real world.
But what you, and especially Steve, obviously fail to realize is that more than most of the "public" here have already "lost their shirts", hope to beat the most unbeatable of the unbeatable games, are pretty-much uneducated, and have a lot of other more- approachable/important problems they should be addressing instead.
Like Proofreaders wrote a while back, "These games are for those financially well-off enough to just tinker around with." [Paraphrased]
Garnaby, but the real world still applies here, in the form of people blaming me for what their internet service providers and every sysadmin *COULD* do with the passing data!
QuoteTo have a Forum set up where outsiders can read PMs is Ludicrous.
a) I didn't set up this forum with a big open door like nolinks://vlsroulette.com/read-everyones-pm-here/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/?read-everyones-pm-here/)
b) If Lanky is talking about every sysadmin as outsider, then the internet itself is ludicrous, but still I can't be blamed for that.
QuoteWhen other People can read what is private is just plain Stupid.
Again, the minute you hit the submit button on your email, the forum, your PM's, everything, data has to go through data pipes, to find their way to destination, and it is logged at every single point. Sysadmins have access to those logs and can have a feast at the passing data. Can I control that? NO!!!!
I can't be blamed if the tech guy at Lizzy (the australian internet provider) opens up their log files and happen to read every subscriptor's private conversations.
QuoteWhat is Private about it if others can read it ??
NOTHING in the internet is truly private, as long as the data doesn't magically teleports from the sender computer to the recipient, it *HAS TO* travel around networks open to the public for data relay. So what now, am I to blame because the atoms that carry data do not happen to magically be transferred from point to point? Am I going to be called stupid and ludicrous by whatever tech people on datacenters do with their passing data? Geez.
Absolutely true. Never send anything important over the internet, esp'ly (a gread deal of) money.
I had the same problem to the same degree with eg, a guy named "johno" over the GG. And 1/3 of the day-to-day (registered) members who just abruptly left over at baccaratforums for similar reasons when "garnabby was just being garnabby"... a little lose with the privacy, etc.
However, Lanky has a bit of a point, considering he was an admin/mod at the time... wrt their mailboxes.
I can rest assured at night that I didn't mount any conspiracy to gather people's data. NOR have I setup this forum with any doors for anyone to enter and read members' PM inbox.
There are millions of forums out there with PM functionality that has the same level of security as ours (I.e. same use of the public internet), why is that they are still having the PM feature without any problems? Should the million of forums shut down their PM messaging system? I don't know and frankly I'm starting to get to the point of not caring about this "conspiracy theory" questioning anyway. I guess it is the best path for me to take.
al owners and with the permission of the owner ,,can look into all PMs etc
:pleasantry: :pleasantry:
hope you enjoyed my donation Vic
or do i quilify for it back,,,,,,,,,,dont forget what the donations where for :rtfm: :rtfm: :rtfm:
ok Lads cya
PS please,,,,,if no one can give me a striat answer then JUST;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;DONT ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;BOTHER
:thumbsup:
Quote from: BerlinerBruce on January 29, 2010, 01:05:58 PM
al owners and with the permission of the owner ,,can look into all PMs etc
Hello Bruce,
Please do advice me where in the administration panel is the (inexistent)setting for me to give your account permission to look at the PM's from other people.
I am willing to replicate the process to enable YOUR account with such an (inexistent) setting shall you provide me with the location of it at the administration panel for me to enable.
Quote from: BerlinerBruce on January 29, 2010, 01:05:58 PM
hope you enjoyed my donation Vic
It was to pay forum's acquired debt, you better ask that question to the ones whom the owed money was returned to (I.e. Shorty). I sure didn't enjoy it.
Quote from: BerlinerBruce on January 29, 2010, 01:05:58 PM
or do I quilify for it back,,,,,,,,,,dont forget what the donations where for
What do you want me to say Bruce? The donations were for paying the forum's debt, the debt was paid.
Quote from: GARNabby on January 29, 2010, 12:49:15 PM
However, Lanky has a bit of a point, considering he was an admin/mod at the time...
More reason for him not having the conspiracy mentality.
Lionel, did you happen to see an option to enter into people's inbox at your will using ANY option from the administration panel during the time you were the forum's administrator?
If you did spot an option to enter people's PM inbox, please do tell me the exact location of it in the panel because in 3 years of seeing the same admin panel I am yet to see such an option.
@Nathan.
Thank You Mate ....All of mine are gone as well.
Quote from: VLSroulette on January 29, 2010, 01:26:24 PM
More reason for him not having the conspiracy mentality.
Lionel, did you happen to see an option to enter into people's inbox at your will using ANY option from the administration panel during the time you were the forum's administrator?
If you did spot an option to enter people's PM inbox, please do tell me the exact location of it in the panel because in 3 years of seeing the same admin panel I am yet to see such an option.
@ Victor.
Look Victor You know I did not see any such thing.
Even if it was there I would not know where to look for it.
As You know first hand My knowledge of computers is very limited.
I admit that My Ignorance of anything to do with computers could been seen as being Naive.
Sure I will put My hand up to that.
That's the fallout of coming into the Internet and or computers at an older age.
That's cool I Just have to live with that......I can't go back in time.
Victor this Conspiracy thing that YOU are on about are YOUR words not mine.
I can only say what I believe are the facts.
You say its/was only a Rumour.
Facts.
1) The chat was Hacked.
2) Xman & I received a Pm with the exact wording from a post that was put into the Mods Area within hours of it being posted in there.....We dealt with that.
And it would surprise Me if any of the Mods at the time did NOT think that the Mods Area had NOT been Hacked as well.
3) If the chat was Hacked and the Mod's Area Hacked it would be seem likely that the Administration Area was Hacked as well.
I posted about this as You well know Victor.
Now Given that these thing did happen then it would be safe to assume that the PM's were Hacked as well.
If You could not stop what did happen....How the hell could You stop the Pm's from being seen from others .??????
On top of all this owners of other Forums that have contacted Me have assured Me that the reading of PM's can be done.
Those people have been very helpful to Me throughout all this....
Telling Me things I did know anything about and I Thank Those People that have come to My aid.
I actually received this Today before I even came onto the Forum.
Quote
Hi Lanky
I can 100% confirm that PMs on any forum, using any software can be read through the database. Anyone with access to it, such as server techs and site owner can read who is sending who what. You don't actually need proof that it can be done...it is very very easy...however, you can't really prove that it is being done.
See this:
nolinks://docs.simplemachines.org/index.php?topic=451.0 (nolinks://docs.simplemachines.org/index.php?topic=451.0)
The VLS admin said this on his site:
"Lionel, did you happen to see an option to enter into people's inbox at your will using ANY option from the administration panel during the time you were the forum's administrator?
If you did spot an option to enter people's PM inbox, please do tell me the exact location of it in the panel because in 3 years of seeing the same admin panel I am yet to see such an option".
I'm afraid he's clearly spinning you a yarn. He knows how to read his members PMs, he just thinks you don't know how. Now you do. How you choose to use this info is up to you
Now Victor You and I have been Friends and as You know I usually know the answers to Questions before I ask them.
(Except for Computer things etc)
I would advise You to leave it here and leave Me be.
Otherwise this could turn into one hell of an embarrassing s**t fight.
Please pass on our regards to Your Family.
Lanky.
QuoteFacts.
1) The chat was Hacked.
The chat was INJECTED messages without a sender with malicious (malformed) submissions. NO chat files were compromised.
As annoying as it was it wasn't a full-blown hack, more just a very soft injection attack.
Quote2) Xman & I received a Pm with the exact wording from a post that was put into the Mods Area within hours of it being posted in there.....We dealt with that.
And it would surprise Me if any of the Mods at the time did NOT think that the Mods Area had NOT been Hacked as well.
I'm sad to say this is more likely a human-based leak than anything else. With so many mods, it is the most plausible explanation (sadly).
I've seen private groups with less members have human-based leaks.
Hardly would you see an actual hack of a forum that selectively gets into a single protected section. True hacks are a disaster as the whole enchilada is leaked (I.e. whole database files are compromised). You can't just "hack a section" over others in a database. It is a full-blown access to it or nothing.
Quote3) If the chat was Hacked and the Mod's Area Hacked it would be seem likely that the Administration Area was Hacked as well.
If an attacker would mess with the administration area, I wouldn't be typing this right now, as there would be horrible consequences for such (I.e. all sections wiped, loads of people added with administrative rights and the very very VERY bad things that happen when a bad-intentioned attacker gets such an access).
The way to "hack" into it is to own the password of someone with administrative rights. If done via database hacking, then again, you can't just choose to hack "only the admin area", you either get the whole attack done right and get to the whole database or not.
QuoteOn top of all this owners of other Forums that have contacted Me have assured Me that the reading of PM's can be done.
Sure it can be done, form a keylogger on your very home PC, to every router your data passes through from Australia to overseas to the reading of the database of the forum.
QuoteI'm afraid he's clearly spinning you a yarn. He knows how to read his members PMs, he just thinks you don't know how. Now you do. How you choose to use this info is up to you
The sole idea of people suggesting I'm doing it sickens me, the kind of shut the damn thing down; let's say the forum is good to have Steve as new owner as such a thing had happened I would have wiped this whole damn thing down clean and disappeared form the net. Believe me, this is what I want to do right now, and leave the whole stuff bath to the next owner. I don't deserve any of this questionings. I did what I did for the forum or against the forum, take me for what I'm worth. And I would be worth a whole brown poo poo if I were to be such a bastard to spend my day reading member messages.
I can rest assured I'm not doing so.
Twocat, soon I'll join you.
QuoteI would advise You to leave it here and leave Me be.
I'll leave it up to that.
there are too many letters to read, too smart for me, but i have one question to admins of this forum: if in this thread right here i post my credit card number, is there a chance that someone from ouside can read it and use it without my knowlegde ????? if my suspisions are right ones.....
we all live in MATRIX!!!!!!!!!! :shout: :shout: :shout: :shout: :shout: :shout: :shout: :shout: :shout:
I sent him PM with some questions, he never showed up? What, he is not gonna come here anymore?
by the way, Lanky, u are wrong to accuse Victor of anything like that. Every forum or chat can be hacked for sure, even Pentagon's files were hacked, even the bank databases with credit card numbers were hacked more than once, c'mon, I am not a database wizard myself, but anyone knows that anything like this can happen.
You want Victor to create 100% bulletproof database? It is ridiculous because even largest bank security organizations with hundreds or thousands people working there can not guarantee such a thing.
it is only a forum, u r not supposed to keep here real sensitive info u depend on. And if someone read something u just told someone about something, is it worth this kind of big deal u are making out of it? of course it can always happen and nobody can prevent it from happening. If there is a real skillful hacker with database administration knowledge who has a goal to hack this thing he will do it, just a matter of time, whatever admins will do here.
there is always a hole in these things. You just have to know how to look and where to look for it.
I am pissed off honestly, people. A person creates a great forum, puts his effort in it, struggles to pay for it without fu...ng access to f...g dollars, welcomes everyone here, gives his help, answers hundred f..g questions from hundreds people, kills his own time for it, puts on his back lots of troubles and complains, tweaking-shmeaking that option and this option, can u pls do this and open this, and close this and do it like that, tries to find some money for it, I doubt that he is that rich, if he was, he would not be looking for different ways to win at roulette, and he shares his knowledge with no problems.
now come guys who use his forum and become friends with him, and suddenly he does something they don't like to get a relieve a little to this burden after getting tired of all this forum stuff.
and what then? instead of giving him :good: for his relieve his friends start picking after him. Like a "Vologodsky" guard convoy in Gulag camps to prisoners: "You are warned, one step left or one step right from the formation is considered escape attempt, we shoot to kill" .
get a life people, think about many centuries old things like loyalty, friendship, mistake forgiveness for god's sake.
What the hell did he do? He f..g sold your private messages on ebay? every message 5 bucks.
and then coming with that "give me my donation back...". Like this donation was the present for him himself, not for the forum which everyone uses. Even if it was present, what in quarrels with your friends you demand your presents back?
I am f..g pissed off honestly. I don't want to say anything against anyone, I just want to ask u to f..g STOp and f...g THINK a little, how it is looking from the 3rd side
QuoteLanky, u are wrong to accuse Victor of anything like that
Hi iggiv.
I did not accuse Victor of anything.
Go back and read what I said .
So Your pissed about things and You have only been here since the 17th December.
All I did was ask Questions and Answers to those Questions.
Victor is not the only one that contributed time and Money to the upkeep of the Forum Mate.
Lanky.
I'm grateful to all the people who supported in the past. There were times of massive support, but then people left me almost alone in this (It is a bitter-sweet feeling to be frank). Special mention deserves Sam (TwoCatSam) for he was always there for us, I know he truly careD about us here and deserved every day of his co-administrator status.
If any, Steve is helping us stay alive without financial worries. I don't know why so much hate against me! It isn't you Lionel, I am perhaps overreactive on account of all the messages I have received in my inbox lately.
I don't really mind when I get questioned by the random "joe" but when it is coming from those whom I have considered friends for a long time it gets to me. On account of the new owner, our former forum admin and friend Addonai told me (Spanish):
"Sabes Victor , eres la persona mas miserable y indigna que he conocido en mi vida" => "You know Victor, you are the most miserable and indignant person I have ever known in my life".
He said:
"sabia que jamas podia confiar en ti porque no eres digno de confianza" => "I knew I couldn't trust in you as you are not trustworthy".
And after the other words I wont post here coming from his anger message towards me, he ends with:
"Has perdido todos tu valores Victor
Adiooooooooooooooooooooooooooooos[/quote]
=> "You have lost all your human values Victor.
Byyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyye"
This is the type of messages that gets to me, coming from those you called your "brothers" and friends hurt and dent anyone's soul mates. The last days I've been named a scoudrel, a rat and many other names, this public questioning is only the tip of the iceberg. I've been questioned not only in public but horribly as well in private correspondence by people I never though would be the in the sender field of such messages.
I'm better off posting for the time being. I totally need a rest from this.
So if anyone else doubts about me and my personal integrity, please be my guest. I won't answer anything else to stand for myself, be it in this thread or anywhere else in this forum or any other, hence you can assume whatever you think I am is true.
Good bye, now I choose to mute myself for the sake of my soul's integrity.
Victor
dear Lanky,
u can understand that u can hurt someone even without desire to hurt. I know u are a nice guy, I know u did not want to point a finger purposely, but some things can hurt the way they are. Yes I have been here not for long as a member of this forum (though I used to read it longer than I am a forum member).
Now think of this. If you have an important question to your friend Victor, why not ask it privately or in email, why put it up like that, and then u can see that he is hurt! U can see it. And u can see that he never tried anything like reading another people correspondence.
U can see that public asking of this kind of question was a little...hm...too much hard taken by him? So why not make it more diplomatic and back up, and continue everything as private friendly talk with him, but the problem is the conversation continues as if he is guilty of something, was not looking properly after the database, not telling about PMs possilby can be read, blah-blah-blah.
first it was looking as u were asking him publically: "Victor, answer me, u did not read or u did not let someone read people correspondence"? and he was hurt by this, and it is easy to undertsand why he was hurt.
And now instead of really softening the blow, u say like "OK, OK, u did not read the PMs, I know. But why didn't u do that and that? Why u never told me about the danger of PMs reading? and look what other people say about u, they say that u were supposed to know that PMs can be read".
it looks like questioning in the police: OK, u did not commit the crime yourself, but why u did not prevent it? U understand, buddy, I am not meaning it literally, convoy, police -- all these are metaphors.
I mean -- u can be a little more friendly, discreet with Victor, why if there is a possible issue with breach of security u think, why put it up before everybody, like he is questioned publically, why not ask the questions him in email,
explain to him a problem, not to do it in this way which looks...a little bit "inqiusitic" if u will...
I am a new person here. I don't claim to know everything and don't want to judge u or anybody else. but u know in my opinion looks like Victor is judged in some way. Publically. the way he doesn't deserve.
I just have some feeling of unfairness going on here. U understand what I mean?
I am not against u God forbid, not against anyone here, I just feel something wrong is goin on here...New member or old, I have right to voice my concern? what do u think?
"Victor is not the only one that contributed time and Money to the upkeep of the Forum Mate."
exactly! but Victor is the only one here which looks like one standing here before inquisition court.
sorry for those history examples, I love history, I think we can learn from it something
In years 30's-40's of the last century "witch hunt" was a very popular sport in USSR. I don't know how it looked during McCarthey "witch hunts" in the US, but in the USSR it was like that: a well known person with lots of friends,
connections, gov't awards blah-blah-blah was publically claimed "the enemy of the people". After this, while he or she was "questioned" in a basement of the secret police, most of his or her friends suddenly "forgot" who he was, and some of them even publically declared what kind of scum he has always been, and what kind of double-faced, and how this and how that...
u know what I mean
Since iggiv suggests court is in session, lets add a bit more testimony shall we. And let the jurors decide, jurors being the members.
Now from Victors last post it appears he is not going to respond anymore. Which is fine, and is his decision. Being a military person, I use the example that Victor is a tank in the middle of mine field. Now there are a number of ways to kill a tank. The easiest being shoot the track link with a APR to disable it, a . 50 calibre round is very effective. Now the tank is disabled, but it is still in the mine field, and the crew and it's commander are still in the tank. Now a lot of options become open for all the players. Victor being the commander, and the mods being the tank crew. Surrender is one option, and the mods that left didn't exactly surrender by any means. They are just annoyed that the commander got them all in the middle of a dam'n mine field so they got out of the tank. They are now outside the tank and have been led away safely through the mine field.
Now the commander is left with a skeleton crew, but the tank is still in the middle of the minefield. Nothing has changed, just fewer players. So the commander Victor, in a last ditch effort to try and save face, and the situation, resigns his command and turns it over to another guy in the tank being Steve. The new guy in the tank is a new member of the tank crew and does not know up to this point what has happened in the past.
So now the guys from the old crew are broadcasting over loud speakers informing the remaining crew that there actually are some real issues that need to exposed. Good or bad has no bearing, they just need to be made known.
So in that light, and since Victor is developing what would appear to be amnesia, as a former tank crew memeber I am picking up the michrophone and making one last statement and final post. Let the cards fall where they might.
New testimony: besides the public gamlet site there were two other gamlet sites hidden from view. Yes folks 3 sites in total right here on VLS. Right before your eyes, or not. Now let's see if other people come forward and tell you about the others, we shall all see together.
This is my first and last post as LeBear. I wonder what the final verdict will be.
best regards,
LeBear
It is assumed that forum members should enter into shock state by not partaking this Gamlet numerolonomy nonsense?
Who cares if there are 1000 silent internal sub-forums of numeronologologies if it provides no benefit to members of the forum the contents of these? If I read it correctly, not even those who were members of these groups obtained a benefit? What a shock must we other members are supposed to get then?
It is a pity to see that more people are not advocating the integrity of Mr. Victor now. He has always been there for us.
After all the bad mouth is not worth the bother.
Mr. Victor please make a separate forum for people to have a place where only good people is. I will support and publish systems only in that new forum.
Only few comments from good people worth more than the poisonous comments of 5,000 members.
"besides the public gamlet site there were two other gamlet sites hidden from view. Yes folks 3 sites in total right here on VLS" >>> I always thought that. Is it right? Well, yes and no. For the rookies, they need ALL the help they can get, thats the truth. Myself, I need little. I'll still be playing this game LONG after everyone else has gotten bored with it....or ran out of money. Thank you for the post LeBear! Long live West Allis. :give_rose: Ken
"The easiest being shoot the track link with a APR to disable it, a . 50 calibre round is very effective."
in the open field easy to disable a tank track with .50 calibre? The tank must be out of ammo, or the crew should be blind. А guy with .50 caliber to hit the track must be very close, and on this distance if he dares to open fire, in the next few moments the pieces of the guy and his APR should be airborne. :skull:
I dare to say that this tank is far from being disabled, it just needs some minor repairs. :pleasantry:
No point to use 120 mm against а toy-pistol. :haha:
Quote from: Mr J on January 30, 2010, 03:06:15 AM
"besides the public gamlet site there were two other gamlet sites hidden from view. Yes folks 3 sites in total right here on VLS"
OH YES! The shocking world-ending news! What were the other two numerolobotomy groups so disastrous apart from public view. #1.- Magical thinking systems and #2.- Magical belief systems?. Pleassseee. We read Gamlet public material. Who wants to delve into the ways of the magical forms and the ethereal shapes to stand a chance to overcome the hard physical game roulette is?
More harm to the forum to host the nonsense in public sections. If something did, Mr. Victor provided them a private space for them not to make fools of themselves in public because of themselves.
>>> Thank you for the post LeBear! Long live West Allis. :give_rose: Ken
Yes, thank you for the post LeBear, be sure to run over Mr. Victor with your tank.
Sorry, I did not read well first time. Reading your former writing better it shows your intention with your single post is ending with Victor and what he worked for with this community:
"I use the example that Victor is a tank in the middle of mine field. Now there are a number of ways to kill a tank."
Do not worry. I think he was killed outside this forum already. No need to pass over him now.
WannaWin
I don't think he is killed he is OK. I saw him in google chat not long ago and tried to cheer him up, we had some good laugh actually. :lol: he was laughing at my broken Spanish i tried to brag with. Don't u think that he was killed and burned on the stake completely by the Holy Inquisition :rtfm:
WannaWin, don't destroy my dream. I still hope someone will teach me a few Mumbo-Jumbo words I could influence the ball with. Don't tell me that they are not workin. Something must work. Maybe somewhere is a genie in a bottle after all. Maybe there are some hand waving techniques to influence dealers. And there are always magic tricks with chips as with other subjects.
What does Holy Inquisition think of the matter? Would the flame-thrower work on casino? Оh, and I forgot about .5 caliber... :sarcastic:
lol :give_heart:
Quote from: Jish on January 30, 2010, 04:56:16 PM
lol
YES LOL TO YOU TOO. Funny what they do?
Quote from: LeBear on January 29, 2010, 11:27:55 PM
Since iggiv suggests court is in session, lets add a bit more testimony shall we. And let the jurors decide, jurors being the members.
Now from Victors last post it appears he is not going to respond anymore. Which is fine, and is his decision. Being a military person, I use the example that Victor is a tank in the middle of mine field. Now there are a number of ways to kill a tank. The easiest being shoot the track link with a APR to disable it, a . 50 calibre round is very effective. Now the tank is disabled, but it is still in the mine field, and the crew and it's commander are still in the tank. Now a lot of options become open for all the players. Victor being the commander, and the mods being the tank crew. Surrender is one option, and the mods that left didn't exactly surrender by any means. They are just annoyed that the commander got them all in the middle of a dam'n mine field so they got out of the tank. They are now outside the tank and have been led away safely through the mine field.
Now the commander is left with a skeleton crew, but the tank is still in the middle of the minefield. Nothing has changed, just fewer players. So the commander Victor, in a last ditch effort to try and save face, and the situation, resigns his command and turns it over to another guy in the tank being Steve. The new guy in the tank is a new member of the tank crew and does not know up to this point what has happened in the past.
So now the guys from the old crew are broadcasting over loud speakers informing the remaining crew that there actually are some real issues that need to exposed. Good or bad has no bearing, they just need to be made known.
So in that light, and since Victor is developing what would appear to be amnesia, as a former tank crew memeber I am picking up the michrophone and making one last statement and final post. Let the cards fall where they might.
New testimony: besides the public gamlet site there were two other gamlet sites hidden from view. Yes folks 3 sites in total right here on VLS. Right before your eyes, or not. Now let's see if other people come forward and tell you about the others, we shall all see together.
This is my first and last post as LeBear. I wonder what the final verdict will be.
best regards,
LeBear
It is good to be the last post as LeBear. Now you should change user name to LeDog
Quote from: iggiv on January 30, 2010, 06:31:58 AM
I don't think he is killed he is OK. I saw him in google chat not long ago and tried to cheer him up, we had some good laugh actually. :lol: he was laughing at my broken Spanish I tried to brag with. Don't u think that he was killed and burned on the stake completely by the Holy Inquisition :rtfm:
Are you sure is OK? As judged by its last message to me is not right. He said he would quit from the forum.
It is no matter to the many. Only two member vouching for Mr. Victor from more than 3500 members. Only 2 members you and me.
He protected me from legal problem coming from flamingtorch creator when I published and not provided my data as administrator. I am grateful.
I did not see the administrator star in his profile page today so it seems that is gone.
They should be happy to have launched him from his own created forum. They get what they deserve.
Maybe now the say is they are not to blame. That he should remain enduring without question whatever they want to throw up.
The bad people is always like that.
WannaWin
yes I am sure he is OK. It is not his loss if he leaves this forum. It is our loss. In the return for his hard work he did here he did not get credit he deserves, so it is his right to get on with his own life without this forum. It is not a tragedy, the man for sure has his life without this forum as well. It is up to him to decide, he did his best. Even if some people think he made wrong decisions here.
Though I want to do my best to convince him to come back in case he really leaves. And yes, I agree with you, my friend, that he did not get a firm and loud support here from forum members for what he created for them. Support which he really deserves.
I am gonna ask you though to refrain from conflicts with other forum members which did in our opinion a wrong thing to help a "witch hunt" in some way, deliberately or not. Everybody has a right for his own opinion. If LeBear thinks his way, he has right to think so. No need to insult him. I say he is wrong, in that sense I agree with you, but I don't think we should start personal conflicts here. And please no calling bad names.
My personal opinion is that some people made a GREAT MISTAKE being unfair to Victor. I don't think they are evil or something. And I think, that because of these mistakes they lost more than he did. If people lost his trust -- it is their loss, not his. Remember, that man still has his hardcore good friends with him, and maybe he has some new good friends with him as well. I personally would be honored to be his new friend.
as for others who did that mistake by insulting him during some hard moment in his life -- it is their loss, not his. U don't get good friends every day in your life. Sometimes getting a good friend and creating a friendship is a process of many years, and destroying it easy -- u can do it within a minute, saying or doing something wrong.
think of this, people.
but i still have a hope. They say -- time is a best doctor. I hope that with some time everything will calm down and will return to the way it should be. maybe.
Owner or not, I acknowledge I am still somewhat an outsider. I dont know all that happened previously. I said this to mods and that mods like lanky would make decisions when it came to banning. Now inadvertently decisions fall to me. But an outsider or not, I can clearly see a lot of talk in this thread is just a waste of energy.
Yes, anyone with access to the database (me and victor only) can read PMs. This is the case with any forum. If you dont accept this, dont have private information in PMs. But I'm not interested in reading about dirty laundry and doubt victor is either.
I am running the forum based on a balance between what the members want, and from my experience with the internet, what I believe is best for the forum. From experience I know what members want is NOT necessarily what is best for the forum. Unless a member is new and they break the rules, any bans are carefully considered. If I banned everyone I believe is merely counterproductive, then I believe this would make for a very narrow forum without diverse beliefs. But diverse beliefs in combination with open minds is the best way for everyone to learn and progress. Constantly ostracizing other members for their beliefs and direction of research is a sure way to be banned.
I read somewhere that something from the mod's section was sent in a PM. This is much more likely to be a moderator passing on posts than some kind of hacking. There were far too many mods here and such a leak could have come from anywhere.
I do not understand some people's problems with victor. He operated a forum. He took donations that kept the forum alive. The donations paid for hosting. Nothing paid for his time to manage the forum. The donations paid for the forum at that time. That was then, this is now. Unless a member made a large donation to support the forum for many months in advance, there should be no talk about donation refunds.
All my dealings with Victor have shown him to be an honest and sincere person. It is unfortunate he takes a lot of what people day to heart, rather than understand it is the poor understanding of some people that make them say hurtful things.
I personally think everyone should just get on with it. The time people spend on this stuff could be spent on research.
@Steve >>> I already tried to get an answer but could not. Who are the CURRENT mods here? Ken
@Steve >>> I already tried to get an answer but could not. Who are the CURRENT mods here? Ken
If you ever want a clear and direct answer, ask a clear and direct question.
Current admin are me:
Me
Victor
Current mods are:
BerlinerBruce
bombus
rjeaton1
Shorty
@Steve >>> I already tried to get an answer but could not. Who are the CURRENT mods here? "If you ever want a
clear and direct answer, ask a clear and direct question" >>> Was there something wrong with the WAY I asked the question? Ken
Ken I didnt even see the question. There is no way I could read every message and question. The only sure way to get an answer is contact me directly.
No, no, I didn't mean that in a crappy way. I thought you meant I asked the question wrong. No big deal, thanks for answering. Ken
QuoteI read somewhere that something from the mod's section was sent in a PM. This is much more likely to be a moderator passing on posts than some kind of hacking. There were far too many mods here and such a leak could have come from anywhere.
Hi Steve.
And the same Question was asked about it being a Mod leak....
We even had a Member come forward and declare that without mentioning names he knew people who could do just that (Hacking) into the chat and the Mods room.....
So We dismissed the Mods Forwarding on information about that PM.
That was dealt with.....
And If Victor had those thoughts then He should have Bloody well said so somewhere between 6 weeks and 2 months or more ago.....Not just fob it off onto the people that were are are still Mods now.
Victor agreed to let things go between us.....
We will catch up in the chat...
We have agreed to that.
I have things I want to know the answers to and the reasons as to why something personal between Victor and I was breached.
These things are none of Your Business nor Your concern they have to be sorted out by Victor and My self.
However seeing as though You have seen fit to bring it "the issue"up again.
I will just say this.
By saying that this was more likely done by the Mods.
Then in Fact Your saying thats all the Mods that resigned plus the ones that still remain are under suspicion for what had happened and has already been dealt with.
A lot of people Trusted and still do Trust those that have left as Mods and those that are still there.
Why should those people still have the finger pointed at them over that.
Come on Steve.....Your an Aussie...So tell Me where the Aussie Fair Go is in that.????
Steve let Me ask You to do something...Don't answer Me straight away...think about for one day..that's all I ask.
You as an Aussie put Yourself in their shoes for that one day.
And if You still believe thats the right thing to have hanging over those peoples heads.
Then You can delete My Account from both here and over on RF.<<That's a fair deal Mate ..
You get rid of Me off both Forums.
Irrespective of how it goes Nobody can say I never stood up for these Guys over this.
Lanky.
Lanky if every roulette veteran like u and Victor is gonna leave this forum, who will stay? Newbies like me. To promote martingale and gambler fallacies. And who is gonna help us? :( Casinos probably
"gambler fallacies" >>> What does that mean? Ken
in Russian it probably means хуйня-муйня. I am not an English teacher, Ken :o
Oh, ok....thanks! Ken
Thats answered that then Ken :girl_wacko:
martingale and gambler fallacies. And who is gonna help us?>>
CHEESE will help you! Load up on blue cheese and gorgonzola and you're sure to be a winner. :haha:
>:( After reading over this thread, IMO it has generally become nonsensical and bordering on offensive.
I would ask all VLS members to show some respect for each other, and in that regard especially refer you to post No:1 of this thread.
I have now locked this thread in reference to the above sentence.
If there is any topic within this thread that any member feels worthy of further discussion then please open a new one.
bombus. >:(
Lanky if someone hacked the mods section, so be it. I would have thought that the simplest explanation is most likely the correct one. So I said a moderator probably leaked information - we dont need to make an issue out of it. I didnt say it was definite. Now you tell me it was hacked - so be it. I have no intentions of arguing about it.