Lanky's Resignation and Thank You to the Members.

[VLSroulette]

Dear Iggiv, I'm not really angry, it is another emotion, not anger.

Regarding the leaving, only time will tell. As for me, I posted my way to play, I helped at least 1 member = I'm happy.

This is a hobby, and a hobby would it remain. I won't quit at the game for the time being, so in that regard, I'll keep posting at what I'm active at while I keep enjoying it; despite some losing sessions lately, I'm not losing on it overall so I guess I'll keep milking it slowly with patience, looking at time as my friend to help me build my weekly, monthly, and yearly goals, without wanting to "rush the times" just like the "perfect loser" figure demands to do.

By the way, Ken puts it clearly: the "I quit this game" factor has to be taken seriously when considering a forum's "health" in regards to active members. They come and go as soon as they burnout with the game.

Some people want roulette to make them rich, I already know it isn't possible. What I can see myself missing is helping the newcomers to avoid making the same mistakes I did in the past (explosive progressions such as the martingale, thinking "it can't get another XYZ spun", etc.). I do enjoy helping, both in public as well as privately; even if it is to help someone to "lose less" (I.e. analyze more, do more virtual game in between real-money bets, etc.).

I know VLSroulette wouldn't be the same without VLS, I can only hope I am a) still up in my game averages for this date next year. b) not "burnout" by the ratio of helped people versus people who dislike me. I guess I'll either get more bitter and get into the "I don't care" attitude OR shall I remain actually caring, just leave.

I'll calm down and time will tell dear Iggiv. Thanks a bunch for your words. P.S. would you like posting access at my section? I want to bring life to it to make it a calm place for me to debate with the chums, to have a little space in the forum the way it should be!

[Mr J]

All joking aside Victor, I do agree with that. I think a good percentage of people either get burnt out, bored, lost quite a few bucks, dont have a BR to even start out, no B&M casino in town etc.  Ken

[VLSroulette]

All joking aside Victor, I do agree with that. I think a good percentage of people either get burnt out, bored, lost quite a few bucks, dont have a BR to even start out, no B&M casino in town etc.  Ken

Ken, this is due to the "Some people want roulette to make them rich" factor...

There are gamblers and there are "grinders".

[Proofreaders2000]

...I think a good percentage of people either get burnt out, bored, lost quite a few bucks, dont have a BR to even start out, no B&M casino in town etc.  Ken

When you learn what not to do to be a good gambler, somehow the game gets very serious and the fun is taken out of it IMO.  It is a lot of pressure trying to maintain your bankroll against the casino's edge.

[Mr J]

Not bragging but I kind of have it good. B&M casino 20 minutes away, multiply BRs, TONS of trial and error over the years, I have the TIME to devote to playing, I answer to no one if I/when I lose. I like it, I love it, I want somemore of it.  Ken

[GARNabby]

When you learn what not to do to be a good gambler, somehow the game gets very serious and the fun is taken out of it IMO.  It is a lot of pressure trying to maintain your bankroll against the casino's edge.

For those who have approached such games with the single intent of preserving his/her BR until a proved (practicable and practical) consistently-winning system for one of those has been found/invented... it is "the best of times".

[Lanky]

Lionel, everything you type on your computer can be tracked and read by 3rd parties if they would wish to, INCLUDING YOUR PM's

Yes well the fact that other people can read what I thought were Private between to the two parties does not exactly fill Me with joy Victor.

In fact it makes Me bloody angry that it could happen.

If I had known that...I would never have written one of them.

Its amounts to nothing more then having Pm's read by Stealth.

Hey, Lanky you have 1003 messages,

Seeing I have that many PMs and some have very sensitive and personal information in them Including some to You as well Victor.
To have a Forum set up where outsiders can read PMs is Ludicrous.

When other People can read what is private is just plain Stupid.

What is Private about it if others can read it ??

Anyway I have asked the Question not only for My own benefit but on behalf of a fair few other Members who Voiced their concerns about this to Me because rumors were running rife about it.

Let Me say this to those people and Others.

I have found out that if the Forum is not set up Correctly then OTHER people meaning MORE then Victor or Steve could read them.

I will go through the Laborious task of deleting every one of them and I would advise anyone that has a Pm from Me to do the same thing.
As was advised by Victor as the only way to make sure they are completely safe.

Lanky.

[Nathan Detroit]

Lanky,

As requested I have deleted ALL your  messages to me, no matter what content ,.

Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!

[VLSroulette]

I have found out that if the Forum is not set up Correctly then OTHER people meaning MORE then Victor or Steve could read them.

Lionel, WTF? Please do tell me the exact settings you have found out in the forum's setup that need to be addressed or otherwise it allows for people to come and read your messages? What is the security hole you found out? What file is it and which is the exact line of the forum's source code that does allow an outsider to enter your private inbox and read it?

IT IS ONLY A RUMOR LIONEL... A RUMOR... and a very bad-meaning one.

[VLSroulette]

ANYWAY, THE PRIVATE MESSAGE FUNCTIONALITY CAN BE REMOVED COMPLETELY IF WISHED BY THE MEMBERS.  

THERE ARE NO CONSPIRACY THEORIES ABOUT READING SOMEONES' MESSAGE INBOX.

You want a poll? Let's have a poll to remove the PM's if you guys want.



By the way, those voting "YES" in such a poll also be certain ask every administrator from every forum on the world wide web to remove the PM functionality too, because it can be a huge privacy risk due to the way the internet works: the data packets typed at your computer are bounced from network to network from every route to destination and they can be read at every point by the evil sysadmins worldwide.

Better yet, never use the internet again, because this process happens with everything including your email whatever service you have and with any data you submit to every website in the universe.



...This sort of paranoia only shows how poorly informed people is regarding the infrastructure of the internet. Data travels from point to point physically and it *COULD* be intercepted in the travel time.

C'mon, you wouldn't think you typed the data on your PC and it would be magically teleported to the destination PC without it passing for plenty of routers where it can be intercepted and read, do you?

Final solution to paranoid people: STOP USING THE INTERNET

[VLSroulette]

Anyway, you know why people can be certain there isn't an evil conspiration to intercept and read their person-to-person messages? BECAUSE OF THE VALUE OF THE DATA ITSELF.

Are they Banks exchanging powerful financial information? NO.

Are they Companies exchanging trade secrets information? NO.

What is the data they could get? PERSONAL IMPLIES IT IS AS VALUABLE AS: "OMG, I had a dream where Stephanie told sportacus to f**k off from lazy town"... sort of that value. This is why sysadmins don't lose their sleep and time over it. The reward simply doesn't worth mounting the conspiracy, then better just sleep.

[GARNabby]

Not bragging but I kind of have it good. B&M casino 20 minutes away, multiply BRs, TONS of trial and error over the years, I have the TIME to devote to playing, I answer to no one if I/when I lose. I like it, I love it, I want somemore of it.  Ken

The welfare-client's dream?

[GARNabby]

Anyway, you know why people can be certain there isn't an evil conspiration to intercept and read their person-to-person messages? BECAUSE OF THE VALUE OF THE DATA ITSELF.

In the real world, Victor... in the real world.

But what you, and especially Steve, obviously fail to realize is that more than most of the "public" here have already "lost their shirts", hope to beat the most unbeatable of the unbeatable games, are pretty-much uneducated, and have a lot of other more- approachable/important problems they should be addressing instead.

Like Proofreaders wrote a while back, "These games are for those financially well-off enough to just tinker around with." [Paraphrased]

[VLSroulette]

Garnaby, but the real world still applies here, in the form of people blaming me for what their internet service providers and every sysadmin *COULD* do with the passing data!

To have a Forum set up where outsiders can read PMs is Ludicrous.

a) I didn't set up this forum with a big open door like nolinks://vlsroulette.com/read-everyones-pm-here/

b) If Lanky is talking about every sysadmin as outsider, then the internet itself is ludicrous, but still I can't be blamed for that.

When other People can read what is private is just plain Stupid.

Again, the minute you hit the submit button on your email, the forum, your PM's, everything, data has to go through data pipes, to find their way to destination, and it is logged at every single point. Sysadmins have access to those logs and can have a feast at the passing data. Can I control that? NO!!!!

I can't be blamed if the tech guy at Lizzy (the australian internet provider) opens up their log files and happen to read every subscriptor's private conversations.

What is Private about it if others can read it ??

NOTHING in the internet is truly private, as long as the data doesn't magically teleports from the sender computer to the recipient, it *HAS TO* travel around networks open to the public for data relay. So what now, am I to blame because the atoms that carry data do not happen to magically be transferred from point to point? Am I going to be called stupid and ludicrous by whatever tech people on datacenters do with their passing data? Geez.

[GARNabby]

Absolutely true.  Never send anything important over the internet, esp'ly (a gread deal of) money.

I had the same problem to the same degree with eg, a guy named "johno" over the GG.  And 1/3 of the day-to-day (registered) members who just abruptly left over at baccaratforums for similar reasons when "garnabby was just being garnabby"... a little lose with the privacy, etc.

However, Lanky has a bit of a point, considering he was an admin/mod at the time... wrt their mailboxes.

[GARNabby]

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