Anyone that knows my writing knows that I seldom comment on VB skills.
I was just wondering something. With randomness it is impossible to remain in the dominate state of positive effectiveness. It must pass through times that are effective, ineffective or chaotic. So what happens with VB players.
Are VB players always effective. If they too pass through times of ineffectiveness is there a reason for that happening. Like wheel type, dealer changes, ball size, slow moving wheel, fast moving wheel, etc... for instance. Do VB players experience chaotic results for effectiveness. Having the playing skills a very good musician is a state of mind. It comes from experience.
I'm just wanting to compare the states of effectiveness. I wonder how VB experts see effectiveness as compared to randomness experts. Perhaps we can learn from each other.
I do know that VB goes in streaks. You might win 6 out of 10 spins and lose 12 in a row. Its a too hit and miss for me, also way to much work for the return you get.
Have you ever retrospectively analyzed the behavior of the wheel after some of your elegant patterns or dominant trends? Perhaps there is often an identifiable correlation between the two?
Quote from: bombus on April 19, 2010, 07:38:17 PM
Have you ever retrospectively analyzed the behavior of the wheel after some of your elegant patterns or dominant trends? Perhaps there is often an identifiable correlation between the two?
No I have not. My four elegant patterns in my lifetime were all from differing group types and sized groups. As far as common dominances they are from R/B, and the other EC's, the columns/sections, and specific pie shaped cuts of the wheel disk. There was never a single group of the pie shaped sections that had any consistent thing to it because of location on the wheel. In other words I can read the randomness of the wheel that is being analyzed for visual ballistics. I would never see the connection if there were one. I have no skills in that area.
QuoteIn other words I can read the randomness of the wheel that is being analyzed for visual ballistics.
That is in dead intressting comment or should i say statment - can you explain - where the playing modell you use define correlation of elements that will give you and positive expectation !!
It would be very cool to see how you would define an high probability area or areas and how you come to the conclusion that they are just that - high probability areas - where you would aim to place your bets and gain some units - having an edge ...
Cheers ...
Quote from: I have cookies on April 20, 2010, 02:18:56 PM
That is in dead intressting comment or should I say statment - can you explain - where the playing modell you use define correlation of elements that will give you and positive expectation !!
It would be very cool to see how you would define an high probability area or areas and how you come to the conclusion that they are just that - high probability areas - where you would aim to place your bets and gain some units - having an edge ... Cheers ...
I can only assume that it's possible to condense visual ballistics down to a skill of reading physics. Reading randomness is about taking the current traits of each characteristic into account. The simplest form being dominance.
Most people are aware when a streak of blacks lasts more than 10 spins. Sometimes they see when black and red alternate like a shoelace pattern in a pair of shoes, back and forth. That kind of trend can continue for a while too. The key to advantage is guessing correctly that things continue during a stretch that just coincidently continues in their favor. The trick to trends is not in recognition of the trend but recognition of the effective state that it tends to continue. The following of a trend is only the bet premise, the bet selection process. The advantage comes from knowledge about effectiveness. That comes from experience, strategy, and a little MM.
What I lack is the insight that can be gained from the same kind of experience from the VB players. I get the bet selection process. It's an acquired skill. But the effectiveness and dealing with it might be interesting too.
Quote from: Jordan27 on April 20, 2010, 03:33:03 PM
The problem with VB is to find the suitable conditions.
If you will find them you must also have the knowledje to observe if wile playing these conditions will change.
so VB-Paying just behaves like playing a "trend". So VB has no advantage. thank you for the proof, that VB is nonsense like anything else.
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winkel
Yup, If the ball hits it`s great , otherwise blame the misfortune on all the 3 factors listed by Jordan. :diablo:
Quote from: Winkel on April 20, 2010, 05:32:08 PM
so VB-Paying just behaves like playing a "trend". So VB has no advantage. thank you for the proof, that VB is nonsense like anything else.
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winkel
Using trends for bet selection is not nonsense. It just makes no sense to those that have never experienced its worthiness. Math oriented gamblers are on the very bottom of the experience list when it comes to practical sense. Proof of that is in there dogmatic rejection of trends as a source for a betting premise. They are stuck in a search for anything that will mathematically change the odds. They even think that the trends players are trying to claim that. Nothing can be further from the truth. But that's just too bad. The math types go on accusing the trend players anyway. It's all part and parcel of having to tolerate the least experienced players and their limited understanding. Be nice to those math oriented players. They need it.
Quote from: Jordan27 on April 20, 2010, 06:40:06 PM
hehe...
math trends and phisics trends have nothing in common...
what you all see in maths trends are just random spins that made by luck a random trend..
VB trends are not random...are based on phisics facts.
only if you know how VB works you can have an opinion.
I wrote a computer program that uses the factors that make up a spin result from release to final landing spot. The sole purpose was to create a real world truly random numbers generator that succeeded in being truly random. There are many things that can happen that end up effecting the results of the physics involved. It's just my opinion but the human brain can't factor all that in and expect to get it all right.
Quote from: Jordan27 on April 20, 2010, 06:40:06 PM
hehe...
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what you all see in maths trends are just random spins that made by luck a random trend..
VB trends are not random...are based on phisics facts.
only if you know how VB works you can have an opinion.
so what is the difference between an detected/expected trend which doesn´t hit and a VB-expected area, that doesn´t hit because the ball jumps further than expected?
Both bets are just unlucky. And vice-versa if both hit.
QuoteThe reason is because he doesn t play anymore with 37 numbers in every spin but in the most of the spins (when ball hit dd) the VB player is playing with less than 37 numbers...in some occasions may be 20 or even 12 If the conditions are very good...(jump of the ball + how many times theball will hit the desired point)
desired point If you need desire, there is no phyics in it, is it?
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winkel
So does this mean that AP players aren't winning these days playing wheel bias or visual ballistics?
So does this mean that AP players aren't winning these days>>>
Not like they were 10 years ago, or even 5 years ago. VB is something the casinos have aggressively attacked with counter measures, such as newly designed wheels. Now VB players spend the vast majority of their time looking for wheels to exploit, and coming up with nothing more often than not. Thats why some of them are so desperate for other ways to win at roulette, they thought bias and VB play would last forever.
I did not expect any more then poor comments from some of the members who reply - my humbel opinion ...
Sure conditions is not like the 80s - but saying that the casino would notice an true AP milking and lose money back so it does not get so obvios - is just rediculus and just show what kind of knowledge some of you have ...
I have never heard or know any roulette system player like Spike an others lose money back to the casino - why would they - casinos does not care about action players who belive they have an 72% with even money bets - it is also rediculus ...
When does an AP know he master the skills - when he starts to give some of the profits back to the casino - I would not claim the same apply for bias as it is an hole different ball game ...
Cheers
"Thats why some of them are so desperate for other ways to win at roulette, they thought bias and VB play would last forever."
Well said spike! :thumbsup:
The game is just warming up for the trend players.
Quote"Thats why some of them are so desperate for other ways to win at roulette, they thought bias and VB play would last forever."
Well said spike!
The game is just warming up for the trend players.
Give me that slow knowing smile - dude - :lol:
Was going to use the word stalker - but as you know me the last thing i would do is to offend you - action player !!
but saying that the casino would notice an true AP milking>>
But they do notice, thats why the good VB players have been kicked out of more casinos than they can go into. Its a casinos job to notice. But they mostly defeat them with new wheel designs, wheels that are very hard to read for an edge. For myself, these new wheels produce even better true random results, so I love them.
I know what you saying but you don´t know what I am saying as it beyond your knowledge ...
As I would give away any explination here about what is what - it is also rediculus ...
1 in 1000 that attempt to become an AP makes it - even then it does not mean they will become any good or succesfull with what they do ... maybe I should increase that number I just mention ...
There is no books or material to learn from that is why so many end up with an roulette computer.
The only thing you can buy for money today is just an hint about the old days.
So I guess the only way is to find does cookies from the dark side :lol:
As there is no constuctive dialog I just end it here ...
Cheers
There is no books or material to learn from>>>
But that doesn't matter anymore. I know for a fact that the VB experts, the ones who have been doing it for years and years, are having a very tough time with all the new wheels. Some of them are so desperate they are considering writing how-to books, because they need the money. Remember, those who can do it, go out and do it. Those who can't do it anymore, write books about it.
There are leaders who can think and act for themself and then there are followers or "victims".
The followers are normally greatful for any scrap of information. The problem is that they don't have the critical thinking skills to decide if it is of any use to them or not. This is just the constant merry go round that takes up a lot of peoples time.
There is no longer any point in gloryfying a lame duck. Yet the "so called" gurus persist.
Basieux was a fraud and so are some of the modern day exponents. I will keep what I have and continue to rub it in peoples noses. Life is not fair.
Yeah guys, AP is dead. No casino should worry with all those modern wheels they have.
Spread the word. :thumbsup:
I find this thread amusing. For many reasons.
I find this thread amusing. For many reasons.>>>
Whats amusing is all the old time VB players who are living in the past, and trying to convince all of us that nothing has changed. There are still exploitable wheels out there, but they are scarcer and and scarcer every year. In 5 years they will all be gone, except for some 3rd world countries, where you can't win more than a thousand dollars without getting your legs broken. Thats whats amusing.
I completely agree with Noble Savage for two reasons. :)
I completely agree with Noble Savage for two reasons.>>>
Yes, 'spread the word' about VB being dead is what the VB people want because there are a few exploitable wheels left out there, and the last thing they want or need is more people trying to find them. They are truly stuck between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand, they can't admit they were wrong and VB is getting very hard to make money at, yet they don't want to shout from the rooftops how great it is because that will just draw in more people and make it even harder than it is already. Kinda funny when you think about the box they painted themselves into, isn't it.
Those VB players are in full retreat and they can`t even call it fighting in another direction. :nono: It`s over . :skull:
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I agree with Nathan too.
A full retreat is clearly happening, as we speak. :)
Your average VB player who thinks he has it made has usually found a wheel in a local casino that he can make a little money off of. Of course he thinks he can do this forever and overplays the heck out of it and gets banned. So he sets out in search of another wheel and can't find one. He spends money to travel and check out casinos a long way from where he lives and eventually gives up in disgust. The pro's, on the other hand, have their tentacles out there all the time looking for wheels. Thats their new job, getting people looking for wheels for them. Their old job was playing, and it paid one heck of a lot better than looking does.
A full retreat is clearly happening>>
Not a retreat by you. You have more people out there than ever, beating the bushes for you, promising them the sun and the moon if they find an exploitable wheel. How much longer will that last, a year if you're lucky? The proverbial handwriting has been on the wall for years and nobody saw it till very recently.
This isn't guesswork on my part. I have personally known a bias and VB player for years and he knows exactly whats happening. He's been dreading this forever and saw it coming a decade ago. He's given up entirely and bets sports full time and does pretty well. His take on VB is, money made for time involved make it a waste of time for him now.
Beating the bushes. ;D
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Beating the bushes.>>
Don't worry, it won't last. It'll be all over sooner than you think. The casinos get smarter every day. Just write your book and be happy with that..
The End Is Near
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Nobody will buy your book, but at least you can brag about it, thats whats really important.
Maybe if I include some flashy picture of hot chicks?
Quote from: Herb6 on April 20, 2010, 10:19:45 PM
Maybe if I include some flashy picture of hot chicks?
Good idea!
Here she is... Miss VB 2010.
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French women are just weired.
Here she is... Miss VB 2010.>>>
Mrs Herb? Now thats just embarrassing, get a wax fer crying out loud..
Quote from: Spike! on April 20, 2010, 11:40:48 PM
...get a wax fer crying out loud..
A bit late for that. I think Herb's money would be better spent on a collar & leash.
Math oriented gamblers are on the very bottom of the experience list when it comes to practical sense.>>
Yup. Everything they do is on paper, and they think it makes them experts. It just makes them armchair quarterbacks, big deal.
Exactly, we mathboyz is a iNgoranT buncH. :)
Not ignorant, just inexperienced. If you had more experience, you would have figured out how to read random
Yes, I am truly a foOL. :)
You joke around, but if you knew, you'd have to wear Depends because you'd be crapping your pants at what your ignorance has overlooked.
Not my problem to wise up the chumps.
Snowman has no chance of figuring this out. He needs it to have a mathematical advantage or he will not do any work earning it. So he is the only reason he does not have the needed information that he NEEDS.
If I'm making successful bets during a time of positive effectiveness then because of the results I must be experiencing a temporary state of advantage mathematically. Perhaps Herb/Snowman needs the advantage to always be there. I wonder why some people reject opportunity while embracing something as worthless as VB? Never say die.
I post this here because it doesn't really belong in the poxed out thread it came from.
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 22, 2010, 08:20:52 PM
Effectiveness follows the same Kind of states that reading randomness does. It's important to know the differences when a perfectly good premise passes through the three states. It's important to make rapid adjustments. Change is the key to improving effectiveness results.
Using the EC's as an example, I take it that a "perfectly good premise" is one that loses to the house edge at about 2.7% on a single zero wheel.
I.e. always bet on black.
We then attempt to improve the results by betting only when randomness puts the premise in an effective state.
Once in an effective state, how many wrong guesses or decisions would it take to identify the fact that randomness has put the premise into a non-effective state?
The way spike talks, randomness is never in any state other than random. Only the guesses can be either effective or ineffective. That would make guessing when not to bet even more important than guessing what to bet on.
If not betting is an important part of the equation, then what % of the educated guessing game plan is stuck in virtual mode?
Same goes for VB players.
What % of the game plan is typically spent in "virtual mode", or, "not betting - watching" mode.
The way spike talks, randomness is never in any state other than random. >>
How could it be anything but random? But there are different states of random, chaos is one of them. Would you call 12 reds in a row chaotic? I don't think anybody would. Chaotic to me means urreadable, in case you're wondering.
<< That would make guessing when not to bet even more important than guessing what to bet on.>>
The times to bet so overwhelm the times not to bet that its really not an issue for me.
>>If not betting is an important part of the equation, then what % of the educated guessing game plan is stuck in virtual mode?>>
Not betting is not an issue and virtual betting for me is nonexistant. But thats just my method, Gizmo bets differently and he has times when he bets virtually, I believe.
Gizmo Wrote: I wonder why some people reject opportunity while embracing something as worthless as VB? >>
Because they can see and touch VB, they have to believe it. Like those kids who rode that short blue bus to school, and the teacher couldn't just hold up an orange and show them, she had to pass it around so they could touch and smell it.
VB players were short bus riders, scarred for life as unbelievers.
What would you deem a chaotic state for randomness?
Is it a choppy condition across the EC's, or a mixed condition - chops & runs across the EC's, what?
In VB only the scatter part is "guess work", so generally, if nothing has changed one would need to stick to the scatter analysis because it is based on physics. If one starts chasing the "wrong bounce lenghts", sometimes you would be chasing and always be one step behind. If the physics still apply and the ball comes down as expected, one would have to sit out fluctations or eventually hedge with a wider sector than normal. If the ball doesn`t come down as expected, you might go in to watching mode for a little while.
The random guess work doesn`t apply to VB only facts. Random reading is a forum invention that will never be exploited or shown in real life. Just a idendity creation for some people that needs the attention.
Some string of outcomes that I can't read is chaotic to me. If you can't read any of it, then its all chaotic to you.
>>Random reading is a forum invention that will never be exploited >>>
Spoken like a lifetime short bus rider, Kelly. You can't do it so nobody can. I exploit random every day, but you can't see it, so for you it doesn't exist. There's no teacher to pass the orange around the class so they can verify its reality.. Pity...
" I exploit random every day"
What ever. Don`t really give a shit about your fantasys. :haha:
Don`t really give a s**t about your fantasys.>>>
As long as the casino keeps paying me, I'll keep it alive. :clapping: :pleasantry: :dance1:
Quote from: bombus on April 23, 2010, 12:47:47 AM
Once in an effective state, how many wrong guesses or decisions would it take to identify the fact that randomness has put the premise into a non-effective state?
That's exactly what I ask myself in real time. Sometimes the answer is slightly different for each situation. The smart player gets out of the way of the downturns. There are several ways to do that. Roulette always has something better going on in it. In Baccarat you only have one single data stream.
:sarcastic:
Can I quote you on that?
Quote from: Herb6 on April 23, 2010, 01:45:12 AM
:sarcastic:
*Disclaimer*... Not necessarily the opinion of bombus... Bwahahaha!
Never outsmart the wheel ! Otherwise :diablo:
Quote from: bombus on April 23, 2010, 12:50:02 AM
Same goes for VB players.
What % of the game plan is typically spent in "virtual mode", or, "not betting - watching" mode.
About 15%. I don't bet when:
1) I just sat at the table and I'm reading what type of conditions I'm dealing with (every wheel is unique) and how my method is performing on them so I can gauge a few things.
2) There is a significant change in conditions mid-session (e.g. dealer change, ball switch, etc.), I stop and re-observe/re-gauge my method.
Quote from: Spike! on April 23, 2010, 12:56:32 AM
But there are different states of random, chaos is one of them. Would you call 12 reds in a row chaotic?
lol you say randomness is always random, but then make it sound as if randomness is sometimes random and sometimes not.
Why do you think 12 reds in a row is any more special than any of the other possible 12 spin sequence?
Bottom line is:
If you observe the random stream of Red/Black outcomes and apply a bet selection to them, the results of that bet selection would be a new EC random stream.
If you observe the random stream of Red/Black outcomes and assign a different label to each "state" you think you see (trendiness, choppiness, patterns, absence of any visual patterns, etc.), then the results would be a new random stream where each random variable is one of those labels/states (with unpredictable length and frequency).
So basically whatever you observe and whatever you label it you always end up back where you started. I.e. you only end up with a new random stream, I.e. you don't change anything.
Sorry Spike for being such a fantasy-killer, but randomness
is always random.
Quote from: Noble Savage on April 23, 2010, 12:21:27 PM
Why do you think 12 reds in a row is any more special than any of the other possible 12 spin sequence?
...So basically whatever you observe and whatever you label it you always end up back where you started. I.e. you only end up with a new random stream, I.e. you don't change anything.
With 12 reds in a row I would have 7 attacking wins and 1 attacking loss.
...and all that without changing anything.
but then make it sound as if randomness is sometimes random and sometimes not.>>
There are diferent states of randomness, but its always random. I've never said otherwise.
G'day,
I don't understand why some of you can't / don't understand, misconstrue what Spike & Gizmo write!
For all this talk about 'Math', in my situation the 'math' says my system HAS to win!
Logic tells me if I could do what Gizmo & Spike 'claim' they can do I would be better of than I am,
and I see no reason to disbelieve them at this time, the rest of you would also disbelieve me.
12 players (I take it the 13 was a banker) of the bat for me would be a 142 unit profit at $100 a unit.
Glenn.
Then evidently you aren't understanding the math involved or you have made some mistakes when making your calculations.
Quote from: Spike! on April 23, 2010, 05:03:05 PM
There are diferent states of randomness, but its always random. I've never said otherwise.
Randomness (as a process) is in one state: Random. There are no "different states of randomness", only different sequences of outcomes produced by it. It's all random noise (including both the "nice-looking" and the "chaotic-looking" sequences, those are only subjective human perceptions). Thinking otherwise is an illusion.
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no "different states of randomness", only different sequences of outcomes produced by it. >>
Different states, different sequences, its all in the eyes of the beholder.
Quote from: Spike! on April 23, 2010, 07:04:33 PM
no "different states of randomness", only different sequences of outcomes produced by it. >>
Different states, different sequences, its all in the eyes of the beholder.
especially when the beholder is blind
Quote from: Noble Savage on April 23, 2010, 06:52:20 PM
Randomness (as a process) is in one state: Random. There are no "different states of randomness", only different sequences of outcomes produced by it. It's all random noise (including both the "nice-looking" and the "chaotic-looking" sequences, those are only subjective human perceptions). Thinking otherwise is an illusion.
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You tired old hags you. I've showed you "clustering analysis." But no. You have to drag up that old useless stuff that relates to your concepts that you think you understand. If there was ever a proper description for you Math Nazis it's got to be Clustering Illusion.
Randomness
is one state, random, I agree with that. That's why its characteristic's, when tracking multiple past spins in sequence, go through identifiable states. It's not the randomness that matters. It's the trends in the characteristics that matter. Once again you aim to be logical but you end up missing completely. BTW, you don't know how to describe the characteristic or to read them. You have no clue of the importance of context. You are just stuck with your loser observations and your recruitment of followers that believe your junk science.
It's not the randomness that matters. It's the trends in the characteristics that matter. >>>
Its breaking the random down and studying it and understanding it that gives you the edge. Seeing it as one big jumbled mess is how 3 year old children see words on a page. Once they learn to break it down, they can read it.
Yes well, good luck "reading randomness".
You may as well look at the clouds someday, see one that looks like a religious symbol and bow down to the ground: It's a sign from the Gods!
You two are amusing.
Yes well, good luck "reading randomness".>>
Luck has nothing to do with it. Thats like telling a college grad 'good luck' in reading a book. Reading random is a skill, one that gets better with practice.
Quote from: Noble Savage on April 23, 2010, 09:48:22 PM
Yes well, good luck "reading randomness".
You may as well look at the clouds someday, see one that looks like a religious symbol and bow down to the ground: It's a sign from the Gods!
You two are amusing.
You two are not amusing. You are attempting to ride a white horse and wear a white cowboy hat. Everyone that takes your advice will look right past the only thing that works. I just expect a few to leave your advice behind. Just a few. I didn't look this way until I exhausted all I could with systems and progressions.
I didn't look this way until I exhausted all I could with systems and progressions.>
I did just the opposite. I had never played roulette in my life and one day I was waiting for my wife to give all her money to the slots, and I started watching a roulette marquee. Beting R/B in my head by looking at past spins, at the end of an hour I was ahead by 22 units. I thought 'how hard is this', I really thought it was how everybody played. I seriously did. So I started playing on my computer and getting better and better and I never even looked at progressions or systems until much later. Reading random was easy because I assumed it was, I had nobody telling me I couldn't until I started posting on forums.
Quote from: Spike! on April 23, 2010, 10:22:07 PM
Reading random was easy because I assumed it was, I had nobody telling me I couldn't until I started posting on forums.
Me too. I discovered it all before I ever went on the forums. I just understood guessing as to hot numbers and 2 out of 3 dozens or columns. Spike turned me on to strictly focusing on the EC's. But there was nobody telling me it was wrong.
G'day,
Funnily enough,
after winding up my DJ business in '05 at the age of 43 & becoming a 'self funded' retiree I went to the only casino in Sydney to have the smorgasbord with my 'ex employees' / mates & while standing there watching a couple of them playing roulette I said ' you know what, if you could work out when a lot of the same colour is going to start and bet more on them & less when they're all over the place. It just progressed (pun intended) from there!
Funnily enough, I didn't know this was 'impossible'!
G'day,
Quote from: Herb6 on April 23, 2010, 06:43:14 PM
Then evidently you aren't understanding the math involved or you have made some mistakes when making your calculations.
SHHHH, Don't tell the casino's, clubs, baccarat cards, roulette, craps & sic BO tables, balls & dice!
They don't know that you understand my system better than I and some present & former members of vls do.
Maybe you have a different set of decisions than we've ever see or played yet,
but as my system only needs anywhere in a 200 decisions block to have a r,r,r,r
OR b,b,b,b OR r,b,r,b OR b,r,b,r occur to win we'll just keep playing for now.
I guess like I can't, 'read randomness', do 'AP (cough) or VB', some people can't harness 'progressive systems'!
Funnily enough, I didn't know this was 'impossible'!>>>
Its amazing what you can do if you don't know you can't and aren't supposed to even try.
Are there times when educated guessers are more confident with a guess than other times, and if so what action would you take?
Let's say I'm guessing on the EC's and I'm doing reasonably well hitting at around +55%.
But there are times when the choice seems as plain as day, so at those times I feel more confident with the choice, and these bets are hitting at around +60%.
Would you advocate an increased stake on the higher % bets, or would you keep the stakes level at all times.
Are there times when educated guessers are more confident with a guess than other times>>>
Nope, not for me. Its all the same, I have the same chance on every bet of doing my hit rate. In fact it seems the obvious bets are usually the losers.
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Spike's life changed after this.
;D
Herb, back from a hard day beer drinking and tornado chasing, wonders why they've locked him out again.
That just about sums it up for me.
You see, Spike had a 50-50 chance of guessing which way that door opened... :o
That just about sums it up for me.>>>
Your're dealing with random outcomes, how can one time be better than another time to bet. I have no idea whats coming next, all I can do is a make an educated guess. Thats what you do when you don't know, you guess. Most people would hate playing this way, they want a rigid system to tell them what do so they don't have to think.
QuoteMaybe you have a different set of decisions than we've ever see or played yet,
but as my system only needs anywhere in a 200 decisions block to have a r,r,r,r
OR b,b,b,b OR r,b,r,b OR b,r,b,r occur to win we'll just keep playing for now.
Hello here is an detail - just want to mention it ...
I assume when you use the exampels of four reds and four blacks that you aslo want to show us four singels ...
But there is an loop hole that you are missing.
RBRB or BRBR as your exampel above is wrong or did your intention being two strikes of four and two strikes of three - being what you want to show us with your exampel above?
You see if we have RBRB we only know there is three singels present - note - not four.
Visual - RBRBB ...
If you would want to use four singels you should have RBRBR ...
From here you could aim for five or that it should end or what ever it is you are doing :)
Cheers
You guys have no concept of the globaling effect and how it works in your favor. You denied the existence of perfectly formed patterns that last for 30 to 40 spins. You also don't know how to take advantage of all forms of dominance. You reject trends, for obvious reasons to yourselves. None of you are qualified to comment on anything but your errant view of something that has not been laid out for you to see clearly. It's you that needs tutoring. It's you that needs to get proper instruction. You are clueless and yet you attempt to advise others. What a joke. You expect suckers to follow you. It's everything you accuse me of doing. It's Pot, Kettle, Black. Just because someone can do something that you can't does not make you correct. Giving blind advice does not make you right either.
QuoteYou guys have no concept of the globaling effect and how it works in your favor. You denied the existence of perfectly formed patterns that last for 30 to 40 spins. You also don't know how to take advantage of all forms of dominance. You reject trends, for obvious reasons to yourselves. None of you are qualified to comment on anything but your errant view of something that has not been laid out for you to see clearly. It's you that needs tutoring. It's you that needs to get proper instruction. You are clueless and yet you attempt to advise others. What a joke. You expect suckers to follow you. It's everything you accuse me of doing. It's Pot, Kettle, Black. Just because someone can do something that you can't does not make you correct. Giving blind advice does not make you right either.
Poor and your words and state of mind repeat it self with old boring things that we have read so many times.
Note - we alredy seen comments that make all of this rediculus - so let me remind you.
QuoteHere's a really good question and try to answer it honestly. You've decided to place a 100K bet on red or black and the casino has said OK. Would you just randomly pick R or B or wait till you see something like RRRR B RRR B RRRR B
and go with the trend and bet red? I would always bet red.
Be honest!
And you reply with the following - very intressting.
QuoteIf my bankroll was 1,000,000 then I would bet red at 100,000.
Now we know that you know nothing about what you are talking about - it just become rediciulus.
The scale would be 10 attempts to gain minimum +1 and that does 10 attempts would overcome the amount of times you gain +1 or above.
I understand that not all see the significant point with this - I just say it again - it is ridiculus.
Cheers
doesn't have a full box of cookies, do you think that streaks of wins happen? Can you see streaks of wins?
Winning is just a coincidence.
Streaks of wins can happen. Unfortunately in the random game of roulette, the streaks of losses will consume the streaks of wins.
Quote from: Herb6 on April 25, 2010, 02:59:58 PM
Streaks of wins can happen. Unfortunately in the random game of roulette, the streaks of losses will consume the streaks of wins.
Only a fool like snowman/herb would take that. He thinks you can't avoid the losses.
Gizmo,
You can't beat the EC's betting on trends.
If you believe differently, then PROVE IT.
Quote from: Herb6 on April 25, 2010, 03:12:04 PM
Gizmo,
You can't beat the EC's betting on trends.
If you believe differently, then PROVE IT.
I'll prove it. You are my proof. Because you are so dumb I must be at least right a little more than you. You are the proof.
Gizmo,
People can see through the scam that you and Spike are trying to run. Laurance exposed it on GG.
Below are Laurance's comments regarding Gizmotron and Spike.
--------------------------Posted: 12-Apr-10 20:39------------------------------------
"OK. I accept you can read random. Give me some insight into how you do it?
--- I can't tell you.
OK. I accept you don't want to tell me. Can you at least show some evidence that it is possible?
--- No. Not without you being able to steal what it is I do.
OK. Then what is it, exactly that you want me to do?
--- Give up your wayward Mathboyz ways and accept the reality that random can be beaten.
Uhhh...I don't think I am ready to do that unless I see some evidence that it can, in fact, be done.
--- I don't have to prove anything to anybody. This forum is made up of a bunch of arrogant, contemptible idiots. I'm outa here.
Not exactly word for word, but this is pretty much how every discussion on "Reading Random" has gone.
It was pretty much just good clean fun, until Spike contacted me and wanted me to pony up to the pump and pay $75,000 for the privilege of learning how to read random without offering any proof whatsoever that he could actually do it.
I wonder how many people actually buy his bullshit and are willing to pay $$$'s to learn the impossible.
Giz (&Spike): There is one way to make this old, arrogant and contemptible idiot really shut the f**k up. Just demonstrate you can do what you say you can do.
The fact is, I believe you are running a scam. A very clever scam based in hardcore Mathboyz statistics. Declare you can do something that is a 1 in 4 million shot, and then when it comes down to the short hairs of extracting money out of someone, pull off a demonstration that has about a 1 in 15 chance of success just by luck alone. If you can line up 50 people who will pay you big bucks if you can do the impossible, well.....do the math. The skill really isn't being able to read random, but rather the skill is being able to read a sucker.
Go ahead Giz (or Spike). Ask me to substantiate the above paragraph. Or, just go quietly into night and that will shut me up as well." -Laurance
Flat earthers are easy to impress. :haha:
It was pretty much just good clean fun, until Spike contacted me and wanted me to pony up to the pump and pay $75,000>>
LOL!!!! Poor, poor, Laurance. He left out the best parts. Before any of that happened, he offered me TWENTY MILLION to teach him my method. I have all our communications as proof. When I asked how he could have so much money, he said he would train teams of players with my method and send them around the world to make the money.
Now I found this extremey puzzling, as I had explicitly told him 5min before that whatever happened, it would be just between him and I. He could NOT teach it to anybody else. He said he understood and would not tell a soul. Yet here he is, training teams and sending them out a few minutes later. As you might imagine, any faith I had in him telling me the truth about anything went right out the window. He obviously had no intention of keeping it to himself, he was saying whatever he needed to say to get what he wanted. Once he learned my method, it was going to be his and to hell with me.
He offered 20K, but by then his lack of truth telling had made me lose interest. I said 20K was a joke and I would never consider less than 75K, but it didn't matter, I wasn't interested in him as a partner any more. He said 75K was fine with him and I said, sorry, the ship had sailed. Odd that he left all those pesky details out, isn't it. Serves me right, I had a partner in the 70's and he ripped off all my ideas and claimed them as his own too. I should have known better than to try again.
Sorry Spike,
But I don't believe you. Laruance put you in check mate and exposed you as another James Wendell.
He chased you off of GG and onto the JP forum. :sarcastic:
Laruance put you in check mate and exposed you>>
Somebody was exposed alright, and it certainly wasn't me. I never would have brought it up ever, but Laurance just couldn't keep it to himself. Too bad.
And I left GG 10 days before I ever talked to Laurance, check out the posts. Try and get your facts right.
No, you left because you felt threatened by him.
I left 10 days before I talked to him. And do I seem threatened by him? You make no sense.
Yes you do, and yes you are. :)
Poor Herb, he tries to curve fit the facts to fit his twisted view of things and ends up looking foolish. Facts are facts, live with it. If Laurance wants to dispute what I said, let him. I have the written transcripts of our conversation, so does he.
Someone over at gg offered 10,00 if they could guess correct 65% of the time,yet Spike never took up the offer.That tells you all you need to know :laugh: :haha:
Who else do you know who claimed to have over a 20% advantage over the house,would never take up the offer of proving it,and spend most of their life posting bull on internet roulette forums :sarcastic: :sarcastic:
Someone over at gg offered 10,00 if they could guess correct 65% of the time,yet Spike never took up the offer.That tells you all you need to know>>
It certainly tells me how much YOU know. Taking a test like that and you're giving your method to the tester. All he has to do is reverse engineer it and he knows what you do. 10K sounds like a fortune to you, but its not.
Charles is a loon, you can go partners with him.