I keep reading these systems where they have you tracking and waiting and waiting and then betting a couple times and getting out. You then wait and wait and do it all over again. They think because they only bet a few times that this is somehow an advantage. Its not. From the minute you start tracking, you're playing, betting has nothing to do with it. If you track for an hour and make 3 bets and go back to tracking, you've been playing for an hour. Betting this way gives you no advantage over the house, it just makes your BR last longer and it feels like you're getting away with something. Because you're using a mechanical system, the house edge will still eat away at you're BR, it will just take a lot longer. Its an illusion to think otherwise. Why waste your time.
spike how would you suggest to play
Quote from: Spike! on April 26, 2010, 06:45:05 PM
Why waste your time.
It's not a waste of time. It's just one of the lessons that players need as experience. They need to exhaust themselves until they learn the futility of it. There's a thread involving betting on a single dozen with progressions. Perhaps the lesson should be about what a dozen numbers can really do. I've seen a single dozen sleep for 20 to 30 spins. In fact, that's not that uncommon. That's just part of the nature of randomness. Knowing what can happen is important. When one dozen is being run up the ever increasing progression, for losing, the other two dozens are hitting perfectly for a very long stretch.
Warrior, I'm sending you a private message.
Think about this: If you play for a very short period, then how long must you wait before you can bet again?
What is happening during this waiting period?
A short game is VASTLY superior and profit assuring>>>>
Not its not. All you're doing is exposing less of your BR to the house edge, so it will last longer. In the end the results will be exactly the same if you yourself don't have the edge over the casino.
over the 11 years I have been running THE ZONE.>>>
I've read a lot of your posts in that thread and you sound like somebody who discovered this a month ago, not 11 years ago. You constantly change things and if you had really been playing it full time for 11 years, it would need no changes, it would be set in stone.
Fender,
It's pretty obvious that you've just discovered roulette. Don't try and convince anyone that you've been playing for very long.
Fender,
Each spin of the roulette wheel is an independent trial. Consequently, the chance of you hitting at each spin remains the same.
Ask yourself this: After each spin, does the dealer block the previous number from hitting again? Do the number of pockets on the wheel remain the same?
If you believe differently, then feel free to show us the math.
Ask yourself this: After each spin, does the dealer block the previous number from hitting again? Do the number of pockets on the wheel remain the same?
I will still be turning a profit with the zone for many years>>>
You hope. It doesn't matter to me, the casino seperates the men from the boys in a huge hurry. You don't have to convince me you can win consistantly without having the edge, you have to convince them. Saying you've been doing it for 11 years and then having half of it be a mystery to you, as is obvious by reading your thread, only convinces me you've been playing roulette a very short time.
Why do you think some of the streets hit more than the other streets? Whats up with that. Thats physically impossible, you know.
Its obvious you know nothing about roulette. >>>
Herb actually wrote a book about roulette, but I don't suppose that means he knows anything about it. But I suspect he knows a little.
So.....is virtual betting the same as 'waiting' for something to happen or not happen? (IYO) Ken
spike how would you suggest to play>>>
Find a way to play that has you betting as much as possible, hit your goal, and get the hll out. You're there to make money, not entertain yourself. If you are there to entertain yourself, do whatever makes you feel good, it doesn't matter.
"If you are there to entertain yourself, do whatever makes you feel good" >>> and do it at home, where its free. Ken
By the way, Is it just me or do Stackbundles and Fender appear to be the same person?
Quote from: fender1000 on April 26, 2010, 07:14:59 PM
Einstein got it wrong about roulette. And so have you Spike. A new order is needed. And I am hear to spearhead it and open minds to what IS really POSSIBLE.
Oh Boy, there's a new sheriff in town.
So.....is virtual betting the same as 'waiting' for something to happen or not happen?>>>
The difference with you, Ken, is when you're playing virtually you're not fooling yourself into thinking you're putting one over on the casino. You realize you're playing at all times whether you're betting or not. Once you find what you want, you attack it till its done, one way or the other, and that could take an hour of betting. I'm talking about all the people who think its some kind of advantage not to bet, like it gives them an advantage.
do Stackbundles and Fender appear to be the same person?>>
Shhhh, its a secret..
>>And I am hear to spearhead it and open minds to what IS really POSSIBLE.>>
Just so they're not dumb enough to open their wallets..
In THAT case, I agree, its no advantage. There are many 'denial' issues in a casino. Starting from the time a person parks their car. Ken
Quote from: fender1000 on April 26, 2010, 07:27:42 PM
Herb here is the difference between someone like you and I. You spend your life dreaming about beating a game like roulette. I spend my life BEATING IT. I will say it again the ONLY person you have to prove something works to is YOURSELF. I did that many years ago with THE ZONE. You are under no obligation to listen to me or follow a word I say. But I will continue to profit (as will any who adhere PROPERLY to my guidlines) from the ZONE for the rest of my life. In 2012 I will write and have published a book with the exact name. Of the THREAD that brought his forum back to life. And the world will learn once and for all the myth about roulette being unbeatable. To be old and flawed. I cannot wait!!!
Oh good. Now Roulette is going to be wrecked by the next Bozo festival.
Quote from: Spike! on April 26, 2010, 07:07:24 PM
I've read a lot of your posts in that thread and you sound like somebody who discovered this a month ago, not 11 years ago. You constantly change things and if you had really been playing it full time for 11 years, it would need no changes, it would be set in stone.
We could say similar of you spike... not so long ago you tweaked your own game a bit by adding more EC streams.
There is always room for change or improvement.
In the end the many different roulette disciplines are all searching for the same thing, a sweet spot in the game.
VB'ers look for a sweet spot on the wheel. Progression players look for a sweet spot in the nets. Wait for X then bet Y players look for a sweet spot in the results. Even random readers look for a sweet spot in the random stream.
You're all as clever as each other and equally destined for success or failure.
Quote from: bombus on April 26, 2010, 07:45:36 PM
You're all as clever as each other and equally destined for success or failure.
Are you saying that this fender1000 is as clever as, say, L. Scott, or Kelly, or the pros I know who don't post in forums?
I'm sorry but I disagree.
Sorry, Noble Savage.
I keep forgetting that sarcasm never really works on the internet. :suicide:
We could say similar of you spike...>
No you can't. I have only been playing roulette since 2005. I have only been playing anything close to full time less than a year. Saying you've been playing some specific sytem full time and making your complete living from it for 11 years is over the top. By that time the tweaking is over, the fumbling around is long behind you. Is that the feeling you get by reading that thread? The thing was just as much a mystery to the thread starter as it was to everybody else. Go back and look at some of the stuff he said when he first came here. Newbie on steroids stuff.
Quote from: bombus on April 26, 2010, 07:57:41 PM
Sorry, Noble Savage.
I keep forgetting that sarcasm never really works on the internet. :suicide:
LOL! my bad. :-[
Quote from: Spike! on April 26, 2010, 08:01:04 PM
Saying you've been playing some specific sytem full time and making your complete living from it for 11 years is over the top.
Everything he says is, including this book he claims he's going to write and will change roulette as we know it. :sarcastic: