After trying to beat roulette for several months I've come to the conclusion that yes, the math is correct, it cannot be beaten. I would have saved myself a lot of time and trouble if I had just "believed" the math in the first place.
Anyone who tries to tell you different is either ignorant or a scammer.
But it's not all bad news, you can make consistent profits from other speculative activities like sports betting, trading, or poker. The reason you can win at these is because it's possible to get a REAL edge, not an imaginary one. The odds are not fixed in poker or sports betting, in roulette they are, and that's what makes all the difference between winning and losing in the long run.
So my advice is to forget roulette, research these other avenues.
Now I expect the ignorant/scammers will come forward with their usuall blah blah blah. Who cares, I now KNOW them for what they are.
I will just LOL at this :lol: :lol: :lol: ;D ;)
Quote from: Mike on September 24, 2010, 05:02:27 AM
After trying to beat roulette for several months I've come to the conclusion that yes, the math is correct, it cannot be beaten. I would have saved myself a lot of time and trouble if I had just "believed" the math in the first place.
Anyone who tries to tell you different is either ignorant or a scammer.
But it's not all bad news, you can make consistent profits from other speculative activities like sports betting, trading, or poker. The reason you can win at these is because it's possible to get a REAL edge, not an imaginary one. The odds are not fixed in poker or sports betting, in roulette they are, and that's what makes all the difference between winning and losing in the long run.
So my advice is to forget roulette, research these other avenues.
Now I expect the ignorant/scammers will come forward with their usuall blah blah blah. Who cares, I now KNOW them for what they are.
my god several months,bet you left no stone unturned.your dedication is commendable. SIR I SALUTE YOU!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: macduff on September 24, 2010, 06:16:19 PM
my god several months,bet you left no stone unturned.your dedication is commendable. SIR I SALUTE YOU!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
I was thinking the same thing. A couple months, he must be exhausted. To examine roulette in such a short amount of time, he must have used a small plastic wheel, that would explain how he did it so fast. :haha:
five minutes should tell you the game is unbeatable. what fools we mortals be. good betting.
There are options you know. To become a successfull trader takes some time and money and some people might never learn it as there are no exact "how to do it" guide that works 100% of the time. For instance, I am pretty sure A LOT of people took profit in Apple, trading only on stochastics or RSI, wayyyy before it topped out, just look what happens if you combine some indicators:
This pretty much makes a mess of the board, please scroll to the right
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fimg832.imageshack.us%2Fimg832%2F7462%2Fappl1hour.jpg&hash=d3a68c26edc49ecff0828a21b620ee8ba5766626)
in roulette you also have the option of exploring advantage play which would come into the same category as consistent succesfull trading. I would say that AP is slightly easyer to learn than succesfull trading, the difference is that trading you can do from your sofa and no one from the pit will ever bother you or push your chips back because you were a bit late.
Quote from: cheese on September 24, 2010, 06:40:46 PM
I was thinking the same thing. A couple months, he must be exhausted. To examine roulette in such a short amount of time, he must have used a small plastic wheel, that would explain how he did it so fast. :haha:
Actually it was more like 6 months, and FYI I'm a programmer so in a couple of hours I can write a program to test a method which would take days or weeks by hand. You guys are so proud of the fact that you don't give up, but really, the joke is on you. You test one system after another in the hope that eventually something will work, but you don't see that ultimately they are all the same, because you haven't understood the math of the game. :sarcastic:
Quote from: Mike on September 25, 2010, 04:03:50 AM
but you don't see that ultimately they are all the same, because you haven't understood the math of the game. :sarcastic:
Oh well, you can go to the head of the class and move on, then. Buh Bye...... :give_rose:
Quote from: Kelly on September 25, 2010, 01:13:56 AM
in roulette you also have the option of exploring advantage play which would come into the same category as consistent succesfull trading. I would say that AP is slightly easyer to learn than succesfull trading, the difference is that trading you can do from your sofa and no one from the pit will ever bother you or push your chips back because you were a bit late.
Thanks for the tip kelly. I've looked at this but to be honest I don't think there is much of a future in it. There may be biased wheels around but if they exist the casino are far more likely to spot them before I do, with their sophisticated monitoring equipment. The only other alternative is VB, but I'm of the opinion that it will become harder to make a profit from this as time goes on, plus the fact that you have to travel to find playable wheels. I haven't decided yet which way to go, but roulette ain't it. Same goes for any other negative expectation casino game.
Quote from: cheese on September 25, 2010, 04:07:46 AM
Oh well, you can go to the head of the class and move on, then. Buh Bye...... :give_rose:
So you have found a "winning" system? :haha: :sarcastic:
Is math the only way to beat roulette?
I think the thing you should forget is the way you think of roulette.
What I believed is Probability and progression give shit on roulette.
Of course, I am talking about Live Wheel.
:)
Where did I say I used math? I agree you can't use math to beat it, what would be the point if the math already says you can't? I started off ignoring the math, like everyone else, but I found out that in the end the math is absolutely correct.
And don't try to tell me that if you have a good bet selection, or quit while ahead or any of that crap works because I KNOW it doesn't. Testing systems manually is a waste of time because it doesn't give you the true picture. You can do well over thousands of spins with a system but in the end it all comes down to luck in the short term and sure losses in the long term.
These guys claiming they win are just on a temporary high, they have ups and downs just like random. How the hell can you rely on RANDOM numbers? how the hell can you have a meaningful bet selection on RANDOM numbers? :sarcastic:
Dreamers and addicts, that's all they are.
I understand your point.
Most system claims it can beat roulette, but 99% fails.
It wins in short term, but fails in long term.
I don't trust luck either like you.
On the other hand, I agree with you on the term "random" if you are talking RNG.
When it comes to Live Wheel, I think we are on the different way.
For sure, betting on red/black even over 100,000 spins, you can win. But does it mean it beat roulette?
:)
"There may be biased wheels around but if they exist the casino are far more likely to spot them before I do" >>> Very true Mike.
Ken
I do not normally post on forums but I have read so much negativity here I thought I should
point out that there are pro-players that could teach so much that is missing here on this forum.
Why not encourage some of these pros. to give some proper tips or guidence. Or is this forum full
of has-beens with no where to go? Tell me.
"Why not encourage some of these pros. to give some proper tips or guidence" >>> I'm already here. :thumbsup: Sorry, couldn't resist. Ken
SORRY KEN, you are here too often and at ALL the other forums to ever be a pro. ?
Nice to pretend though.
Posters have gone quiet? Hope I have not upset them?
#1 As stated, I was joking.
#2 You have two posts and are new, which probably means..... ::)
YES MR KEN, it probably means that since I say it as I see it, you dont like it
and will now try to get rid of me. Start the guessing game first, that how you do it?
Or a quick wipe-out
Or do you have some NEW ideas
Please tell us all. After all, you are the expert leading these posters here. Are you not?
"will now try to get rid of me" >>> Yep, an ex-poster.
Question/point....When I got banned from RF, how many times (in your opinion) do you think I went back under a different user name? Ken
SORRY KEN, I dont know how many. I was probably playing ROULETTE at the time
or it could have been CHESS. I am so busy I cant spend all my time on forums ?
I am enjoying these few hours I have to spare this evening though. Do you enjoy life Ken?
I'll answer for you....ZERO times. Once banned, a person should NEVER come back to a forum. Not to mention, they are very easy to spot. :sarcastic: Ken
DEAR KEN,
You are soooo good. Remind me to be kind and lose at chess to you, if we ever play.
Are there any questions you would like me to ask you, in order you can sound even better?
Never been a poster here or any forum, but do not let that stop you playing your game of trashing
anyone who can think. You do not want thinkers here. It could spoil everything you have.
(let me guess?) who uses the words DEAR, REMIND, QUESTIONS, ANY, FORUM, PLAY, THINKER, SOOO, ETC. )
"Are there any questions you would like me to ask you" >>> No thanks and I dont play chess but have always wanted to learn. Ken
KEN,
CHECKMATE!
Not a game for you.
CHECKMATE !
Sorry to hear about your view mike. I will say this. Roulette can be beaten and has been beaten many times. However, it is not for everyone. An extreme few players are good enough to play at a professional level. Of those, maybe 5% are trully successful. For every 1000 players claiming to be good there is 1 pro. For every 100 "pros" there is 1 true professional. Anyone claiming to be a pro and isn't in vegas is a liar. The problem is not roulette. The problem is bad guidance. Good luck in your future endeavours.
Quote from: KGB link=topic=17010. msg120829#msg120829 date=1285572152
Sorry to hear about your view mike. I will say this. Roulette can be beaten and has been beaten many times. However, it is not for everyone. An extreme few players are good enough to play at a professional level. Of those, maybe 5% are trully successful. For every 1000 players claiming to be good there is 1 pro. For every 100 "pros" there is 1 true professional. Anyone claiming to be a pro and isn't in vegas is a liar. The problem is not roulette. The problem is bad guidance. Good luck in your future endeavours.
WOW!!!!!!!!!!! Where did you get those stats from? Did you do the research yourself? :D And you must be wrong about the Vegas thing. Gizmo is here on this forum, he is not in Vegas. He can read random. And the Stars and tealeafs in a cup and he can walk through walls too and on water. Some say Gizmo can down a Pint of beer through his nostrils. Personally I'm not sure about the random reading stuff . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The other stuff might be valid though. :blink:
Quote from: KGB on September 27, 2010, 04:22:32 AM
Sorry to hear about your view mike. I will say this. Roulette can be beaten and has been beaten many times. However, it is not for everyone. An extreme few players are good enough to play at a professional level. Of those, maybe 5% are trully successful. For every 1000 players claiming to be good there is 1 pro. For every 100 "pros" there is 1 true professional. Anyone claiming to be a pro and isn't in vegas is a liar. The problem is not roulette. The problem is bad guidance. Good luck in your future endeavours.
Thanks for wishing me good luck, but I have to agree with Killroy Getz and wonder how you got those stats? How can you possibly know that "Anyone claiming to be a pro and isn't in vegas is a liar". It seems to me that anyone who aspires to be a pro would seek out European casinos where the odds are more in your favour. Regarding the number of pro roulette players, again only talking about players who use stats and math to win, then the small percentage who appear to be winning in the long-term can be accounted for purely by chance. I can write a simulation which proves that out of 1000 players, all making random bets, there will always be a small number who are ahead over thousands of spins. These guys then boast about it on roulette forums.
Reply 17 & 19....damn I'm good. Ken
Quote from: Mike link=topic=17010. msg120619#msg120619 date=1285315347
After trying to beat roulette for several months I've come to the conclusion that yes, the math is correct, it cannot be beaten.
Maths doesn't say that 'roulette' can't be beaten.
Maths says that the 'Mathematics of roulette' can't be beaten.
Fortunately, we don't play the 'Mathematics of roulette'.
We play 'roulette'.
There is a HUGE difference.
Hoc est verum et nihili nisi verum..!
;)
Quote from: Mike on September 25, 2010, 04:03:50 AM
Actually it was more like 6 months, and FYI I'm a programmer so in a couple of hours I can write a program to test a method which would take days or weeks by hand. You guys are so proud of the fact that you don't give up, but really, the joke is on you. You test one system after another in the hope that eventually something will work, but you don't see that ultimately they are all the same, because you haven't understood the math of the game. :sarcastic:
Sorry but I couldn't resist.
I laugh my ass out when I see guys like this :lol:
"
You guys are so proud of the fact that you don't give up, but really, the joke is on you"
So if you are so pretty sure that there is no way to beat roulette what are you doing here?
Don't you have a life?
Sorry, I'm usually a very friendly member, but
I just can't understand this kind of people that come here making joke of "us" saying that we are loosing our time..
So wtf are they doing here too?? :girl_wacko:
You're taking what I said out of context. That was a reply to other posters who seemed to think I was giving up too easily after 'only' six months of searching. There is no right answer to this, it all depends on the resources you have at your disposal.
I was here searching and looking for ideas, just like you. Now I'm just telling you the truth, take it or leave it. :)
Quote from: Mike on September 28, 2010, 11:42:24 AM
You're taking what I said out of context. That was a reply to other posters who seemed to think I was giving up too easily after 'only' six months of searching. There is no right answer to this, it all depends on the resources you have at your disposal.
I was here searching and looking for ideas, just like you. Now I'm just telling you the truth, take it or leave it. :)
Is it the truth or is it what you think?
:lol:
Quote from: cilxeskyd on September 28, 2010, 07:09:00 AM
Maths doesn't say that 'roulette' can't be beaten.
Maths says that the 'Mathematics of roulette' can't be beaten.
Fortunately, we don't play the 'Mathematics of roulette'.
We play 'roulette'.
There is a HUGE difference.
Hoc est verum et nihili nisi verum..!
;)
Oh really? It sounds clever, and some here might even be impressed by your rhetoric, but I'm afraid the math DOES say roulette can't be beaten, and rightly so. Like I said before, anyone who denies it either has vested interests or is ignorant. Which category are you in?
Quote from: A3on47 on September 28, 2010, 11:47:56 AM
Is it the truth or is it what you think?
:lol:
It's the truth. But just ignore me, it's no skin off my nose if you want to spend the next 20 years searching for something which doesn't exist - don't you have a life?
Now now.. let's not get personal.
Quote from: Mike on September 28, 2010, 11:53:50 AM
Oh really? It sounds clever, and some here might even be impressed by your rhetoric, but I'm afraid the math DOES say roulette can't be beaten, and rightly so. Like I said before, anyone who denies it either has vested interests or is ignorant. Which category are you in?
And you? In what category are you?
Are you our saver? :blush2:
Quote from: Mike on September 28, 2010, 11:55:59 AM
It's the truth. But just ignore me, it's no skin off my nose if you want to spend the next 20 years searching for something which doesn't exist - don't you have a life?
Better than yours for what I see..
I loose my time in what I believe
You loose your time in something that you don't even believeSo, who don't have a life?
I think it's an easy answer :lol:
Quote from: Steve on September 28, 2010, 08:01:40 PM
Now now.. let's not get personal.
Sorry Steve, you know me for a long time and I'm pretty sure you know the nice guy I'm
But there are some guys that just take me out of serious.
It's because guys like him that this forum is getting worse day by day.
This was my all time favorite forum, and now because such people I'm seeing it getting to a
no exit back hole :'(
There is always conflict on forums. Just remember the members make the forum, and moderators just enforce the rules to keep it a fun and productive forum for the members. But members need to keep the moderators informed of people that degrade the forum. - ie members need to report offending posts and members.
On that note, cilxeskyd has been banned, again.
Quote from: Steve on September 28, 2010, 11:23:55 PM
There is always conflict on forums. Just remember the members make the forum, and moderators just enforce the rules to keep it a fun and productive forum for the members. But members need to keep the moderators informed of people that degrade the forum. - ie members need to report offending posts and members.
On that note, cilxeskyd has been banned, again.
Why did you ban him??? I have read his post's and there's nothing out of the ordinary going on.
1. multiple usernames
2. he was banned before more than once for various reasons
hmmmmm to bad. If one send a banned member a message, would that banned member still be able to read the message?
Quote from: A3on47 on September 28, 2010, 09:58:19 PM
It's because guys like him that this forum is getting worse day by day.
This was my all time favorite forum, and now because such people I'm seeing it getting to a no exit back hole :'(
Sorry, but I didn't realise this forum was a place for true believers to gather and express their faith. I think you have more hope than faith, that's why I bother you so much. What of the facts, and truth? don't they get a look in? :sarcastic:
If it's all a matter of belief and opinion why are you getting so upset that I hold a different one from you? because you know there are facts, and the fact about roulette is that you can't beat it using silly systems using progressions and statistics or math. I think you realise that, but you push the facts out of your mind and live in hope.
Quote from: Mike on September 29, 2010, 04:48:26 AM
Sorry, but I didn't realise this forum was a place for true believers to gather and express their faith. I think you have more hope than faith, that's why I bother you so much. What of the facts, and truth? don't they get a look in? :sarcastic:
If it's all a matter of belief and opinion why are you getting so upset that I hold a different one from you? because you know there are facts, and the fact about roulette is that you can't beat it using silly systems using progressions and statistics or math. I think you realise that, but you push the facts out of your mind and live in hope.
Ok mommy, you know me better than myself :nono:
Ahah
Don't you have a life? Then stop posting here.
I will continue with what I was doing, so soon I can shut up must of you :thumbsup:
Afonso
Hey Steve! Why Did you removed my post about dyslexlic???????? Is this what is coming down to these days??????? Dictatorship and Censorship???????
Quote from: A3on47 on September 29, 2010, 05:36:17 AM
I will continue with what I was doing, so soon I can shut up must of you :thumbsup:
Ok, but until then I'm going to keep reminding you that what you're doing is a waste of time. See, I'm such a nice guy. :)
Ol' Mike comes across as a pretty frustrated guy.
Why can't roulette be beaten?
Why, it's as unimaginable as putting man on the moon, isn't it.
All doubters shouln't even BE on sites like these.
We can do anything we imagine.
New Ken. :smile:
Putting man on the moon was easy because it was about physics. Beating roulette with math is a logical impossibility, like trying to prove 1 + 1 = 3.
The problem is, because you don't see that this is a logical problem and not a physical problem, you think it can be "solved".
I use to think that way when I first started looking at roulette as a possible source of income, happily I realised before too long that I was attempting the impossible. If you think this is me just being negative, or defeatist, or frustrated, then too bad, that's not my problem.
Do you really think this a problem that has a solution? if you do, first you have to see that it really isn't a "problem". It doesn't fit into any problem category, only the category of logical absurdity.
And no, we can't do anything we imagine. I can imagine flapping my arms and flying like a bird, but I can't do it and neither can anyone else who imagines it.
To Mike:
ILLOGICAL is you being on this site-=-and posting!
So there you go...who would have IMAGINED that.
I'll deal with your "argument" a bit later if I have time. :scratch_ones_head:
New Ken.
New Ken,
I don't think I have anything to learn from a guy who thinks that there is a "law of balance" and that you can beat roulette by taking advantage of it. You need to either learn some math, or learn programming so you can test your theories quickly and not have to spend hours and hours doing it by hand.
I notice you all seem to be attacking me by saying it's "illogical" that I'm posting here when I don't believe that roulette can be beaten. Apart from being irrelevant (you're just trying to change the subject because you don't want to have to deal with the truth), where is it written in stone that you have to be a "believer" to post here? There are plenty of people here who play roulette for fun but they don't kid themselves they can find a consistently winning system based on math. There are others who use physical techniques to try to win (these are valid). I have no argument with any of these people. It's up to you how you choose to entertain yourself, if losing money is the price you're prepared to pay for a night's entertainment then great, go for it, but if you insist that you can find a winning system using math and statistics you are kidding yourself, so why should I keep quiet and just let you delude yourselves as I was deluded?
Sorry, you're just going to have to put up with me until I get bored with it. If that's "illogical" then so be it.
Whatever, Mike.
But it IS illogical for you to remain on this site. You KNOW it is, don't duck the facts---and that's YOUR own advice.
New Ken. :sarcastic:
Looks like herb6 is illogical too, then. From what I can see he's the only other guy around here who talks some sense.
He doesn't seem to believe that roulette can be beaten with math and yet he has the temerity to post here! :sarcastic:
BTW, still waiting for you to "deal with my argument". Give it your best shot.
Hey, what's the hurry...it's logical that you'll be around here forever.
Like an atheist hanging out in a church, continually explaining WHY to everyone.
What a paradox.
New Ken.
@killroy and mike
Do you really expect me to post the stats and research that I have spent years, decades even, gathering? This sense of entitlement is a great example of why I am here, and you are WAY over there. I don't doubt that there are pros in europe or across the globe. I only said the serious pros are in Vegas. I AM in Vegas unlike the entire membership of this forum, yet I am the one who has to answer to you children? I have better things to do, like make money. I will not post at obscene lengths on PUBLIC forums and report my findings to people who are reality, nothing but losing players. Perhaps quitting while you are behind is the best thing for you.
Quote from: KGB on September 29, 2010, 10:41:40 PM
@killroy and mike
Do you really expect me to post the stats and research that I have spent years, decades even, gathering? This sense of entitlement is a great example of why I am here, and you are WAY over there.
So why make the claims in the first place if you can't or won't back them up? And why do you assume that I feel entitled to anything? You make totally unsupportable claims and then start acting like a petulant brat when someone questions it? that's a pretty arrogant attitude.
Quote from: KGB on September 29, 2010, 10:41:40 PM
I don't doubt that there are pros in europe or across the globe. I only said the serious pros are in Vegas. I AM in Vegas unlike the entire membership of this forum, yet I am the one who has to answer to you children?
What is a "serious" pro, one who walks around with a frown on his face? A pro means you make a living playing roulette, it has nothing to do with WHERE you play it, it could even be online. And I repeat, why would a pro choose to play where the vast majority of wheels are 00? So first you assert that only real pros live in Vegas (which you can't possibly know), then you state that none of the membership lives there (another unjustified assumption), then on that basis you are above criticism and we are "children". I suggest it's you who needs to grow up.
Quote from: KGB on September 29, 2010, 10:41:40 PM
I have better things to do, like make money. I will not post at obscene lengths on PUBLIC forums and report my findings to people who are reality, nothing but losing players. Perhaps quitting while you are behind is the best thing for you.
Nice! :lol:
Quote from: New Ken on September 29, 2010, 03:38:30 PM
Like an atheist hanging out in a church, continually explaining WHY to everyone.
It's a pretty good analogy, because all you "win-by-math" players don't need or expect to find any evidence that your approach works, it's good enough to have faith and believe that one day a miracle will occur.
Still waiting for a refutation of my argument.
Quote from: KGB on September 29, 2010, 10:41:40 PM
@killroy and mike
Do you really expect me to post the stats and research that I have spent years, decades even, gathering? This sense of entitlement is a great example of why I am here, and you are WAY over there. I don't doubt that there are pros in europe or across the globe. I only said the serious pros are in Vegas. membersI AM in Vegas unlike the entire hip of this forum, yet I am the one who has to answer to you children? I have better things to do, like make money. I will not post at obscene lengths on PUBLIC forums and report my findings to people who are reality, nothing but losing players. Perhaps quitting while you are behind is the best thing for you.
Your statistics and research seems to be invalid. Note the bold part in the quote. You seemed to have missed guys like Herb. Ooops! But, hats off to you. You must of spent countless hours and hours interviewing players and not to speak of the countless surveys you must of conducted. How did you ever get time to become a pro? Then again I suppose playing red and black isn't such a big deal to learn is it? Us children try more advance methods than that though. We play dozens and columns too :sarcastic: (with a clever thing called Martingale :sarcastic:)
So you see, us more advanced players make enough money to start up the paraffin TV and watch "Who wants to be a roulette millionaire" and not to talk about "roulette watch" or "Miami Roulette" or "CSI Roulette" and what about "Days of our roulette" and on Discovery Roulette-busters and "Ultimate roulette survival". I must say I try to stay away from "Seconds from disaster roulette" but "Deadliest roulette catch" is good. Not even to talk about "Ice road Rouletters"
So you see we also do our research. Thoroughly. But Gramps, if you don't feel that you want to post that one page of survey and statistics, we understand 100%.....just update it though and add Herb's name ;D
You have a great day now
Killroy was here
My point is very few can survive the ups and down of roulette enough to be profitable in the long term. Of those, a VERY small percentage are able to make a significant amount of money. It's nothing personal, just the truth. Unfortunately in your case, the truth hurts.
As for missing herb, perhaps this is true. To this day I have no knowledge of an active, serious pro who goes by the name of Herb. I'm sure it is safe to assume that "Herb" is not his real name. Either way, if he is a serious player then chances are we have crossed paths at some point in time. As I said, I am in Las Vegas right now and I would have no problem meeting with "Herb" for lunch. I would also have no problem sharing SOME of my findings with him provided he seems like a trustworthy individual. If he seems untrustworthy, well, I hope you won't judge me too harshly for keeping my work private.
Quote from: KGB on September 30, 2010, 06:41:39 AM
My point is very few can survive the ups and down of roulette enough to be profitable in the long term. Of those, a VERY small percentage are able to make a significant amount of money. It's nothing personal, just the truth. Unfortunately in your case, the truth hurts.
As for missing herb, perhaps this is true. To this day I have no knowledge of an active, serious pro who goes by the name of Herb. I'm sure it is safe to assume that "Herb" is not his real name. Either way, if he is a serious player then chances are we have crossed paths at some point in time. As I said, I am in Las Vegas right now and I would have no problem meeting with "Herb" for lunch. I would also have no problem sharing SOME of my findings with him provided he seems like a trustworthy individual. If he seems untrustworthy, well, I hope you won't judge me too harshly for keeping my work private.
Point taken.
Is your real name KGB? Sure 'Herb' hasn't met anyone by that name in Vegas either! I would not be surprised if Herb is more than willing to meet you. It will be a very very memorable occasion for you. Trust me. I hope you prosper beyond all expectations. Why would I want to judge you for not sharing your method? It is after all yours.
Herb's real name is Feibush Zusman.
His favorite casino meal is the pork sausages... ;D
Mike you are perfectly right and I agree with you.
But you're losing time.
In this Forum most users are compulsive gamblers that can't admit that roulette is unbeatable.
It would be like to tell themselves that they are weak,without tough personality.no fighters....
I used to be a former manager of a small European Casino(now retired).
Casino managers are laughing ,reading the Forums(systems,opinions,etc....)
That's life!
Quote from: Ka2 link=topic=17010. msg120964#msg120964 date=1285739014
Why did you ban him??? I have read his post's and there's nothing out of the ordinary going on.
Dyksexlic was banned because he dares to speak the truth. .
Certain people would prefer that you remain in blissful ignorance. .
The whole thing stinks.
Now they'll probably think that I'm Dyksexlic too. . !
;)
Quote from: beretta28 on September 30, 2010, 03:00:29 PM
Mike you are perfectly right and I agree with you.
But you're losing time.
In this Forum most users are compulsive gamblers that can't admit that roulette is unbeatable.
It would be like to tell themselves that they are weak,without tough personality.no fighters....
I used to be a former manager of a small European Casino(now retired).
Casino managers are laughing ,reading the Forums(systems,opinions,etc....)
That's life!
Hi beretta,
Thanks, I've sure you've seen a few compulsive gamblers in your day. I know it's a waste of time hanging around here, but I feel a certain moral responsibility to let people know that they're on a road to nowhere if they persist in this. I think it probably won't make any difference though, if someone had told me what I now realise a few months ago I would have ignored them, and if they're compulsive gamblers it will surely fall on deaf ears.
BTW, you do realise that your being here is totally illogical, don't you? :D
Quote from: Hugh Demann on September 30, 2010, 03:08:08 PM
Now they'll probably think that I'm Dyksexlic too. . !
What an absurd suggestion. But how do you know he spoke the truth? :sarcastic:
And Steve is one of these "certain people" I assume? Let me guess, you think you were banned because Steve thought that if the secret of beating an RNG got out it would affect his business?
This forum has a entertainment value, that's for sure. I might just stick around for a few laughs. ;D
"This forum has a entertainment value" >>> You bet it does. This weekend, I think Herb might start a poll to see if I REALLY put mustard on my burger or not! :girl_wacko: Ken
I'm guessing you're a "with mustard" kinda guy.
KGB,
I'm in LV.
Superb. Perhaps dinner might be better than lunch. I have had a number of late nights this week. Tonight will be no exception. I'll send you a pm with the when and the where. Dinner is also on me.
Quote from: Ka2 on October 01, 2010, 03:40:54 AM
Simple, he only spoke about irrefutable facts. But most people on this forum couldn't handle that, they rather sticked with the illusions.
I must have missed them, what were they?
QuoteTrue, here is one for you. If 1+1 equals 2, does 1x1 equals 2 too???
Is this a trick question?
Quote from: Mike link=topic=17010. msg121126#msg121126 date=1285918924
Is this a trick question?
Hmmmm. .
Why don't you go to the library and brush up on your ignorance..?
;)
@Ka2
Please don't encourage him.
Sadly, there is no vaccine against stupidity.
KGB,
It was good seeing you again. (Or what's left minus some hair. ;D)
Maybe you should have mentioned Maccau, Spain or Puerto Rico in your early posts. :)
When I read something here I mistakenly assume everyone is English. Arrogant accents don't come through on a forum. Otherwise I would have had a better chance of recognizing you. ;D
-Herb6
ooh I love mustard, not the sweet stuff, I mean the spicy american stuff.
Hi Herb,
So please enlighten us. How did the "meeting" go?
Killroy was here
Ha! Ha! You are quite the entertainer Herb6! Surely you understand my reasoning in leaving out my exploits in those regions! But I suppose sooner or later everyone will know. Perhaps I should bring up your exploits too? We must get together again, it has indeed been too long.
@Killroy It turns out "Herb" and myself have crossed paths a few times before. We recognized each other immediately and the result was explosive laughter. We had a great chat for a couple hours before he had to catch his flight back home. Knowing now who "Herb" is, I can indeed confirm that he is one of the elite 1% of professional players in which I eluded to. His strategy and my strategy does differ quite a bit in certain extremes, however the end result is still the same. Winning at roulette is no where near as easy as the majority of vls users claim it to be, hence the elite 1%. I assure you that if you were to question Herb directly about the number of successful roulette players in the world, he would tell you very much the same thing.
"Knowing now who "Herb" is, I can indeed confirm that he is one of the elite 1% of professional players" >>> and here we go again. :girl_wacko:
Ken
Quote from: Mr J on October 04, 2010, 06:24:57 AM
"Knowing now who "Herb" is, I can indeed confirm that he is one of the elite 1% of professional players" >>> and here we go again. :girl_wacko:
Ken
Mr J - again you make a poor reaction towards what is the truth - i assume KGB is just kind and polite when he mention H being among the elite 1% when he actualy is a legend - but how would you know with so littel knowledge.
O_o
Let it put it like this - that your 15 years of experience would become garbage after one 8 hour chat session with H.
:yes:
"I assume KGB is just kind and polite when he mention H being among the elite 1% when he actualy is a legend" >>> Now Herb has moved up to 'legend' status? :girl_wacko: If I had a nickel for everytime on this board someone said to me, I was over reacting towards a 'new' member AND it turned out I was correct......thats alot of nickels. Not to mention, Legend Herb does have a HISTORY of doing this in the past. A NEW poster showering him with praise. A legend..... :thumbsup: Ken
Well as i told you - there is no hope for lost souls wish don´t have a clue what they talk about.
I repeat that your 15 years of experience "vs" 8 hour chat sessions with H make all that you have to say being pure garbage.
You can not change that no matter how you try to twist what i have to say about this.
O_o
Quote from: KGB on October 04, 2010, 04:02:55 AM
Winning at roulette is no where near as easy as the majority of vls users claim it to be, hence the elite 1%. I assure you that if you were to question Herb directly about the number of successful roulette players in the world, he would tell you very much the same thing.
Winning isn't extremely easy, but it's not real difficult either.
Ron.
"I repeat that your 15 years of experience "vs" 8 hour chat sessions with H make all that you have to say being pure garbage" >>> What does this mean? Ken
:thumbsup: to KGB.
So do you also use AP ?
QuoteHi Herb,
So please enlighten us. How did the "meeting" go?
Killroy was here
Yes, he's an AP guy. In short a "Wheel watcher and an opportunist". I'll leave it at that.
I've probably known him or crossed his path more than a few times over the last 20 some years. Probably the last person you'd expect to find here. ;D
KGB and a roulette wheel is like a T-Rex - a digestive furnace. He's ruthless and always hungry for more.
Show him a wheel and he'll devour it in one feeding (at least he use to be that way. Maybe he wised up?).
KGB, Too bad there aren't any good wheels left in the US. You should try Australia. ;D
-Herb
Quote from: Mr J on October 04, 2010, 06:24:57 AM
"Knowing now who "Herb" is, I can indeed confirm that he is one of the elite 1% of professional players" >>> and here we go again. :girl_wacko:
Ken
Ken, elite means their 'poopy no stinky' and they don't really touch the ground when they walk.
And our farts don't stink. ;D
The lack of good wheels these days is exactly why I say winning is difficult. It is very tough to win an enormous sum in today's casinos than it was in the late 80's and early 90's. People who claim to beat roulette on a regular basis without any difficulty just makes me chuckle. Finding a good wheel is extremely rare, and they don't last for long unfortunately. What is even more rare is being the first player to take advantage of the wheel in question.
As for herb's abilty as a player, he is indeed capable of of being the 2nd best roulette player of today. I must say I am number one! Ha! Ha! Ha! We all say that though. It is the running joke in the small circle of accomplished players.
I have thought of australia, in my younger days I would have been all over the opportunity. Travel is not as easy for me now. So I continue to wait for a couple of opportunities to open up over here. Sooner or later I hope to be the first to strike.
Quote from: Herb6 on October 04, 2010, 06:43:45 PM
And our farts don't stink. ;D
Here's how the meeting went:
Herb: You're really great, KGB!
KGB: Nope, You're far greater, Snowman!
Herb: No No, you're the true great one!
KGB: I learned everything I know from you, I love you.
Herb: I am great, aren't I!
KGB: Don't get carried away, I'm great too!
Herb: Lets just agree, we're both great, OK?
It was pretty sickening, be glad you weren't there.
Quote from: KGB on October 04, 2010, 07:21:35 PM
As for herb's abilty as a player, he is indeed capable of of being the 2nd best roulette player of today. I must say I am number one! Ha! Ha! Ha! We all say that though.
In other words, you're both 'great', right? Thats what we thought.
>>It is the running joke in the small circle of accomplished players.>>
The group is sooo small and sooo elite, we should be honored you even post here with the riff raff. We don't deserve the dirt off your boots, just ask Snowman. You're both so great........ Sniff.
Don't feel bad cheese. I'm sure you will be able to afford betting more than 5 dollars a spin in no time. You low limit players are the biggest joke of all. And yes Mr J, you are low limit in my book too. It's one thing if you are on a learning curve and starting out, but it seems like you guys are quite happy at the bottom. Last time I checked, crap runs downhill. So make fun of me all you want, you just make yourselves look more ridiculous to the real players.
Quote from: KGB on October 04, 2010, 07:43:38 PM
Don't feel bad cheese. I'm sure you will be able to afford betting more than 5 dollars a spin in no time. You low limit players are the biggest joke of all. And yes Mr J, you are low limit in my book too.
See? You thought I was joking, they really do think they know it ALL and are at the top of the mountain, gazing down at all of the pitiful huddled masses. They weep for us in our terrible ignorance. What a joke. :lol: :lol:
Notice he talks just like Snowman. In their elite world, its not whether you win or lose or how good your system is, its how much you bet that makes you a 'BMOC' (Big Man on Campus). As long as you have a big BR and bet huge, in their book you're aces, even if you lose all the time. Its got something to do with small penises, I believe.
"I repeat that your 15 years of experience "vs" 8 hour chat sessions with H make all that you have to say being pure garbage" >>> What does this mean? Ken
Quote from: Mr J on October 04, 2010, 09:05:29 PM
"I repeat that your 15 years of experience "vs" 8 hour chat sessions with H make all that you have to say being pure garbage" >>> What does this mean? Ken
He's saying you don't really play, all you do is post on forums with Herb. Apparently he thinks it takes half an hour to write a two sentence post. If you take 10min total to post 3 times a day, that leaves you no time to go to a casino thats 15min from your house.
Quote from: Herb6 on October 04, 2010, 06:43:45 PM
And our farts don't stink. ;D
I forgot to ask, did you and KGB use a lot of tongue when you kissed goodbye? Just curious. :girl_wacko:
Quote"I repeat that your 15 years of experience "vs" 8 hour chat sessions with H make all that you have to say being pure garbage" >>> What does this mean? Ken
It means that after you (Ken) have made thousands and thousands of posts on eight or more forums and after your five years of supposed experience (cough) that you (Ken) still don't know Herb6. ;D
15 years?
Quote from: cheese on October 04, 2010, 09:34:44 PM
He's saying you don't really play, all you do is post on forums with Herb. Apparently he thinks it takes half an hour to write a two sentence post. If you take 10min total to post 3 times a day, that leaves you no time to go to a casino thats 15min from your house.
True. If you only logged in skipped all new posts and posted as quickly as you can without reading any other posts. Then log out as quickly as possible. Then do the same at the other 8 forums. :whistle:
And this bothers you.... why?
Ken
Quote from: Mr J on October 05, 2010, 03:27:41 PM
And this bothers you.... why?
Ken
It does not bother me in the least. Just stating the obvious. Don't mind me. Or do...or don't...or do....or don't :)