Well I don't have it so let's get that out of the way.
I see a lot of clairvoyants seem to visit this chat room - they have various gifts of predicting the future.
Bunk.
Future random events can't be predicted - period.
There is no way to forecast what comes next on a roulette table - red, black, odd, even, etc - none of them can be forecasted from past events.
Here's the best way to play Roulette that I've found (binary choice only):
Spin the wheel and get the number, color, etc.
Flip a coin:
1) Heads means you use what just happened as the prediction for the next outcome
2) Tails means you use the opposite as the prediction for the next outcome
Now you use the Roulette wheel to make a forecast and a coin insures you don't use pattern matching.
You're biggest problem is our brain's ability to look at things and find patterns which is fine for lots of things but is what kills you when gambling.
After picking a random prediction you are left with money management and that's where you have 100% control over and can spend years of research and find techniques that you feel comfortable with.
That's my only contribution I can make here - for roulette.
Hope this helps. . . . .
Can you imagine yourself sitting at a roulette table in a B & M casino flipping a coin ? Nothing wrong with your suggestion.BUT .................
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Personally I use flip-coin. com when I gamble on the Internet.
At Vegas I just look at my watch and look at the seconds (digital watch) and an even second means I use the last outcome from the roulette wheel and odd means I use the opposite. If you have problems deciding then use your stop watch feature and start it before the next spin and stop it after the number is called.
But whatever you do don't allow your brain to "find a pattern" there are no patterns in random numbers - just pattern matching your brain does very well - even when there are no patterns.
The Digi watch sound great to me !!!
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Quote from: MauiSunset on January 25, 2011, 02:19:08 PM
Future random events can't be predicted - period. ...
...There is no way to forecast what comes next on a roulette table - red, black, odd, even, etc - none of them can be forecasted from past events.
There is a way to target future spins. But I won't share it with you on an open forum. I won't even validate how it's true and that it happens all the time. I could. I do this because I value it. Not because I wish to be complicated or mean. "It's not personal. It's just business."
Quote from: Gizmotron link=topic=17734. msg126361#msg126361 date=1295979271
There is a way to target future spins. But I won't share it with you on an open forum. I won't even validate how it's true and that it happens all the time. I could. I do this because I value it. Not because I wish to be complicated or mean. "It's not personal. It's just business. "
Easy to say, impossible to prove/verify.
I have no doubts that folks believe future random events can be predicted - there has never been one instance that has stood up to scrutiny - not one in thousands of years of gambling.
Here's a simple test where you can demonstrate your prognostication abilities:
Take the close of the DJIA (DOW) each night and do your forecast - e. g. 11,980. 52 was the DJIA close for 1/24/11. Take that number, multiply by 100 and do a (Modulus) Mod 37 and give us a prediction. Find the DJIA here hxxp:nolinks. google. com/finance/historical?q=INDEXDJX:. DJI
The DJIA close on 1/24/11 was 11980. 52*100 = 1198052 the Modulus 37 is 32379. 783 (1198052/37) with the remainder (Modulo 37 - a remainder of 0 to 36) of 29 (1198052 - 32379*37=29).
On 1/24/11 the roulette wheel spun a 29 (0 = green 0)
1/21/11 11,871. 84 spin = 2
1/20/11 11,822. 80 spin = 19 If you have any problems I can update this thread each day with the next spin.
The Excel formula for cell A2 is =MOD(A1*100,37) with cell A1 having the close of the DJIA
What's your forecast for the next spin of the wheel? If you need history just go backwards day by day.
I look forward to your predictions. . . .
Quote from: MauiSunset on January 25, 2011, 03:45:59 PM
Easy to say, impossible to prove/verify.
I have no doubts that folks believe future random events can be predicted - there has never been one instance that has stood up to scrutiny - not one in thousands of years of gambling.
Here's a simple test where you can demonstrate your prognostication abilities:
This complete portion of logic is based on your vast experience I guess? You have your beliefs and they might impress most people. They don't impress me though. You are clueless with regards to what I'm keeping from you and your thousands of years of dumbshits. Your simple test is so far off of what I'm keeping from you that you are clearly on the track for another thousand years. Thank you for being clueless and feel free to mouth off some more with your uniformed opinions. You are so far off in the weeds that I couldn't have misdirected further if I tried.
****************What's your forecast for the next spin of the wheel?******************************
I'll predict it will be either 0, 1-18 or 19-36
u can flip a coin inside your palms under the table. if u play with a penny a bit (no looking at it) u lose any pattern.
but using a watch in a casino too frequently may lead to casino stuff being too suspicious if u win. they may think u have a mini-track device and can just show u the way out.
maybe i am wrong i don't know. but sounds like a realistic scenario. Imagine yourself being a pitboss. Some guy behind the table looking at this watch and wins his bets. I would get suspicious. On the other hand a guy with a coin looks like a talisman freak :)
Quote from: Gizmotron link=topic=17734. msg126384#msg126384 date=1295985958
This complete portion of logic is based on your vast experience I guess? You have your beliefs and they might impress most people. They don't impress me though. You are clueless with regards to what I'm keeping from you and your thousands of years of dumbshits. Your simple test is so far off of what I'm keeping from you that you are clearly on the track for another thousand years. Thank you for being clueless and feel free to mouth off some more with your uniformed opinions. You are so far off in the weeds that I couldn't have misdirected further if I tried.
Today the DJIA closed at 11,977. 19 which generates another 29 on the wheel:
This is someone's big opportunity to demonstrate that what they sell is worth more than 2 cents. . . . .
Here's some spins generated from the DJIA:
1/18/2011 11,837. 93 15
1/19/2011 11,825. 29 9
1/20/2011 11,822. 80 19
1/21/2011 11,871. 84 2
1/24/2011 11,980. 52 29
1/25/2011 11,977. 19 29
As I said predicting random future outcomes from a random input, like a Roulette wheel, is impossible - no one has ever done it nor will it ever be done in the future.
Gambling is all about knowing the odds which is 100% math and your control over money management, which you have 100% control over. This goes for any game in a casino.
Leave predicting the future up to fortune tellers. . . .
to play roulette you only have past spins. or nothing. if you study the past spins you will see that numbers follow numbers not all the time but enough to show a profit. i will give you three examples 4.-6. . you reverse them. or3.0.back these numbers for a session and see if you win. and 7.
Quote from: pins link=topic=17734. msg126435#msg126435 date=1296012980
to play roulette you only have past spins. or nothing. if you study the past spins you will see that numbers follow numbers not all the time but enough to show a profit. I will give you three examples 4. -6. . you reverse them. or3. 0. back these numbers for a session and see if you win. and 7.
I encourage you to demonstrate your profitable system in real time - simply make your prediction for tomorrows DJIA spin. I'm a patient kind of guy - I will gladly supply the DJIA spin each day for years if need be.
I encourage any person with the gift of predicting the future to demonstrate it in real time right here.
Me, I don't profess to have any such skills. . . .
Quote from: MauiSunset on January 25, 2011, 09:59:53 PM
As I said predicting random future outcomes from a random input, like a Roulette wheel, is impossible - no one has ever done it nor will it ever be done in the future.
I do it all the time. Not only that but I do it to a mathematical degree of accuracy. At times that accuracy is nearly 100%. But not all the time. Never in all that randomness am I surprised by conditions that seem abnormal. And I'm never taken out of the effectiveness of the trick by my own lack of understanding. You are however taken out by your own findings. In fact you are stuck on what you think is for sure. I'm so glad that I'm not back there in that zone. Keep up the home front. Never say die.
Don't worry about Gizmo's rantings MauiSunset ;)
believe me on the Internet, he IS indeed the most important/intelligent/educated/knowledgeable person on the planet...... :o
After all NOBODY has ever lied on the Internet have they ??
Tribes around the world do indeed, pray to his image........ :rtfm:
Don't worry about xman1970. Since her sex change back in 1970 she has made it clear that she is threatened by her own missing phallic symbol and her inability to control her PMS. It has obviously driven her crazy. She thinks she is going to save the world of Roulette players by b***h slapping the internet. Perhaps it's because she can't slap mister happy anymore that has her so frustrated.
Quote from: Gizmotron on January 26, 2011, 04:53:22 AM
Don't worry about xman1970. Since her sex change back in 1970 she has made it clear that she is threatened by her own missing phallic symbol and her inability to control her PMS. It has obviously driven her crazy. She thinks she is going to save the world of Roulette players by b***h slapping the internet. Perhaps it's because she can't slap mister happy anymore that has her so frustrated.
hehehehehehehe my God is that it ?? What happened to the intelligent Gizmo, the one that is ruler
of the world of HIS world....?
What we have here is the REAL Gizmo, with the lame personal insults, but in his defense the lies DO continue.... :good:
I really did expect better of you Giz, well no doubt I'm NOT the 1st guy you have let down with your lies :blush2:
I've set up the DJIA virtual casino and am spinning the wheel each day - who will be the first to demonstrate their system in real time before the world?
There is only one stipulation - you must actually play the game to take the credit. . . . . . . . . . . .
Quote from: Gizmotron link=topic=17734. msg126441#msg126441 date=1296016890
I do it all the time. Not only that but I do it to a mathematical degree of accuracy. At times that accuracy is nearly 100%. But not all the time. Never in all that randomness am I surprised by conditions that seem abnormal. And I'm never taken out of the effectiveness of the trick by my own lack of understanding. You are however taken out by your own findings. In fact you are stuck on what you think is for sure. I'm so glad that I'm not back there in that zone. Keep up the home front. Never say die.
I must honestly say I don't understand what you are saying - I'd be glad to debate if I did. . . . .
Quote from: MauiSunset on January 26, 2011, 10:00:04 AM
I must honestly say I don't understand what you are saying - I'd be glad to debate if I did. . . . .
It's very simple. You don't understand what I know about randomness. That has not prevented you from looking for the answers though. I figured it out on my own. You can too. But you want to attempt to take the easy way first. You want it handed to you in a debate, on a platter. I say it's worth learning it on your own. You make all the mistakes with your own money. When you have it, only then will you have the capacity to value it appropriately. Only then will you place a proper value on it. You are just another beggar on the internet. You want your trip free life. Now do you need that translated to you? Because I would be happy to drill it into you one sentence at a time.
Quote from: Gizmotron on January 26, 2011, 01:17:46 PM
It's very simple. You don't understand what I know about randomness. That has not prevented you from looking for the answers though. I figured it out on my own. You can too. But you want to attempt to take the easy way first. You want it handed to you in a debate, on a platter. I say it's worth learning it on your own. You make all the mistakes with your own money. When you have it, only then will you have the capacity to value it appropriately. Only then will you place a proper value on it. You are just another beggar on the internet. You want your trip free life. Now do you need that translated to you? Because I would be happy to drill it into you one sentence at a time.
It comes as no surprise that when somebody (MauiSunset) attempts to discuss Gizmo's way of playing roulette the cellar door slams shut !!! Plus of course insults at that persons expense :nono:
After all it's v difficult to prove something you don't have ;)
Pls remember ManuSunset Gizmo is way way way more intelligent/clever/educated than than the likes of you n I. Well of course that's what he wants EVERYONE to believe...... :o
xman1970 only contribution to this forum is to libel one single other contributor to this forum. Even his signature is dedicated to that purpose.
Quote from: Gizmotron on January 26, 2011, 02:00:08 PM
xman1970 only contribution to this forum is to libel one single other contributor to this forum. Even his signature is dedicated to that purpose.
WoW :o :o No insults aimed my way..... :swoon: :swoon: :swoon:
Gizmo, re your libel quote above, you would have to PROVE that what I say is wrong.....
Erm.... kinda think I'm on safe ground there....... :rtfm:
What part of your "digital harassment" could be wrong?
Quote from: xman1970 on January 26, 2011, 01:29:21 PM
It comes as no surprise that when somebody (MauiSunset) attempts to discuss Gizmo's way of playing roulette the cellar door slams shut !!! Plus of course insults at that persons expense :nono:
The greatest insult that has ever been leveled, for the past four years, has to tell those that want this to do their own work. To figure it out for themselves. To this date nobody has bothered with that prerequisite. At no time have I ever offered to give away my secrets for free. The door has never been slammed in anyone's face. The door has clearly been closed. But that has not prevented you from fabricating your story. I have no doubt that you actually believe your own impression of what's been happening on this forum for four years. That has never been my problem. The only insults are the fact that you don't listen well, you can't relate to people, and you imagine that you know things when you clearly don't. Every time you open your big fat mouth you put your own foot in it. In fact you can't help yourself. You will have to respond.
Quote from: Gizmotron on January 26, 2011, 02:29:30 PM
What part of your "digital harassment" could be wrong?
Is it libel or digital harassment ?? As normal your moving the goalposts :nono:
No personal insults / attacks from me, shame you cannot say the same..... ;)
Quote from: Gizmotron on January 26, 2011, 02:42:15 PM
The greatest insult that has ever been leveled, for the past four years, has to tell those that want this to do their own work.
Nothing wrong with suggesting that THEY do some work.... :good: OMG I just agreed with Gizmo :swoon:
To figure it out for themselves. To this date nobody has bothered with that prerequisite.
Yikes, again I agree.....
At no time have I ever offered to give away my secrets for free. The door has never been slammed in anyone's face. The door has clearly been closed.
Of course the door has been closed, EVEN you cannot prove something that you don't know..... :rtfm:
But that has not prevented you from fabricating your story.
I have a story ??
I have no doubt that you actually believe your own impression of what's been happening on this forum for four years. That has never been my problem. The only insults are the fact that you don't listen well,
well when you type I DO kinda tend to lose interest....
you can't relate to people,
hehehehehehehehe, boy how rich is that !!!!
and you imagine that you know things when you clearly don't.
I DON'T claim to "close down roulette" unlike you...... :nono:
Every time you open your big fat mouth you put your own foot in it. In fact you can't help yourself. You will have to respond.
I will have you know I have a thin mouth thank you v much.....
I tried this before with no success but I will try again, I going to ask you a question Gizmo.
IF somebody came on this forum and claimed to do the things that you claim, would you believe them ??
It's a yes or no answer BTW, but I doubt that will matter...... ;)
Guys, please don't hijack this thread!
I am simply challenging anyone to demonstrate their system/method in real time.
You don't have to say a single thing but your bet for the next spin of the DJIA wheel.
Then we get to see just how profitable/accurate your system is. That's all I'm trying to do here.
I'm an Aerospace Engineer and have worked with randomness for 40 years - I know of no super secret discoveries on randomness; there are NO patterns nor anything you can use to take past random events and forecast future random outcomes.
I know that no one has found anything not published and if you could look at random events and accurately forecast future events the first thing they would do is buy a single PowerBall lottery ticket and never work again.
So guys, I'm interested in folks wanting to put their reputation on the line and make some predictions.
If you want to insult each other please go elsewhere; personally I enjoy fist fights..........
Quote from: Gizmotron on January 26, 2011, 01:17:46 PM
It's very simple. You don't understand what I know about randomness. That has not prevented you from looking for the answers though. I figured it out on my own. You can too. But you want to attempt to take the easy way first. You want it handed to you in a debate, on a platter. I say it's worth learning it on your own. You make all the mistakes with your own money. When you have it, only then will you have the capacity to value it appropriately. Only then will you place a proper value on it. You are just another beggar on the internet. You want your trip free life. Now do you need that translated to you? Because I would be happy to drill it into you one sentence at a time.
I understand you believe you've found patterns in randomness - can you give me some kind of example or forecast?
I truly want to learn, since I don't believe it can be done. Some kind of example we can track in real time.
E.g.
RRRRB-RRRRB-RRRRB-RRRR? What's the next color, Red or Black?
I know the answer is 50% R and 50% B is the correct answer.
If you believe in patterns in random numbers then the number has to have a memory in order to repeat the next color correctly. Why would a number want to be correct if it could remember past values? What's in it for the number?
You'd have to convince me that numbers have a brain........
Quote from: MauiSunset on January 26, 2011, 03:28:39 PM
I understand you believe you've found patterns in randomness - can you give me some kind of example or forecast?
I truly want to learn, since I don't believe it can be done. Some kind of example we can track in real time.
E.g.
RRRRB-RRRRB-RRRRB-RRRR? What's the next color, Red or Black?
I know the answer is 50% R and 50% B is the correct answer.
If you believe in patterns in random numbers then the number has to have a memory in order to repeat the next color correctly. Why would a number want to be correct if it could remember past values? What's in it for the number?
You'd have to convince me that numbers have a brain........
You need me to help you with magical thinking? That's your assumption. All I can tell you is that you will waste all of your time attempting to use magical thinking. I don't use it. That's all the help you are going to get from me for free. When I began to figure this out I never started with that patterns, trends, and dominances had to be predictive. I assumed that is was just coincidental and not magical. It's up to you to figure out how to use that. I never had anyone tell me yes or no, or stop me from researching everything about that. If you do this you will be hated by xman1970. That's just the lay of the landscape around here.
Quote from: Gizmotron on January 26, 2011, 03:49:53 PM
You need me to help you with magical thinking? That's your assumption. All I can tell you is that you will waste all of your time attempting to use magical thinking. I don't use it. That's all the help you are going to get from me for free. When I began to figure this out I never started with that patterns, trends, and dominances had to be predictive. I assumed that is was just coincidental and not magical. It's up to you to figure out how to use that. I never had anyone tell me yes or no, or stop me from researching everything about that. If you do this you will be hated by xman1970. That's just the lay of the landscape around here.
How can we arrive at a demonstration? I don't want to know how you do it nor how it can be applied to gambling.
How about taking the last digit of the DJIA and even is even and odd is odd - like a coin flip.
I've posted the DJIA earlier but here it is again:
1/18/2011 11,837.93 odd
1/19/2011 11,825.29 odd
1/20/2011 11,822.80 even
1/21/2011 11,871.84 even
1/24/2011 11,980.52 even
1/25/2011 11,977.19 odd
What will it be today at the close? Even or odd?
There is no way I can figure out what your system is, I'd bet that you could do this 100 times and I could not figure it out.
Come on, just one prediction....
Quote from: MauiSunset on January 26, 2011, 03:21:42 PM
I'm an Aerospace Engineer and have worked with randomness for 40 years - I know of no super secret discoveries on randomness; there are NO patterns nor anything you can use to take past random events and forecast future random outcomes.
I know that no one has found anything not published and if you could look at random events and accurately forecast future events the first thing they would do is buy a single PowerBall lottery ticket and never work again.
I hope you get this part of the discussion. I refuse to kill off the golden goose by publishing my secrets to the entire world for free. Even if everyone were to pay for it I would refuse to do it. The point being that if everyone knew these secrets it would no longer be a viable opportunity to exploit. The casinos would shut it down. They would be forced to shut it down. So I won't answer your questions.
BTW, you need past spins to be predictive not me. You are always going to be right if you stay stuck on that. So congratulations, you have an assumption that I agree with and is safely inside your logical conclusions. Only it's not my secret. I charge about $10 per hour, a minimum of 30 hours training to teach my secrets. For what I teach I should charge $50 per hour minimum. I do this because it's fun to watch people open their eyes. It's a form of discussion that has never been argumentative. So far I have been successful teaching this. So far all the students have kept their identities secret.
Quote from: MauiSunset on January 26, 2011, 03:59:07 PM
Come on, just one prediction....
Your test is outside the bounds of intelligent context with regards to randomness. At least as it relates to Roulette, a game played with 37 or 38 choices and a table layout that creates identifiable groupings. I use context to my advantage. Your test is too minimal to produce viable data.
Quote from: Gizmotron on January 26, 2011, 04:08:53 PM
I hope you get this part of the discussion. I refuse to kill off the golden goose by publishing my secrets to the entire world for free. Even if everyone were to pay for it I would refuse to do it. The point being that if everyone knew these secrets it would no longer be a viable opportunity to exploit. The casinos would shut it down. They would be forced to shut it down. So I won't answer your questions.
BTW, you need past spins to be predictive not me. You are always going to be right if you stay stuck on that. So congratulations, you have an assumption that I agree with and is safely inside your logical conclusions. Only it's not my secret. I charge about $10 per hour, a minimum of 30 hours training to teach my secrets. For what I teach I should charge $50 per hour minimum. I do this because it's fun to watch people open their eyes. It's a form of discussion that has never been argumentative. So far I have been successful teaching this. So far all the students have kept their identities secret.
Ok, I'll officially place you in the column "refused to predict" - that's OK.
How about a former/present student? If you've not signed a non disclosure agreement (NDA) then I encourage you to guess odd or even for today's DJIA.
You can PM if you don't want the fame - just PM your prediction and I promise no one will know who you are, but I must publish the prediction and will give Gizmo a chance to accept or reject the prediction of the unnamed student.
I'm trying to work with you guys....
Quote from: Gizmotron on January 26, 2011, 04:21:32 PM
Your test is outside the bounds of intelligent context with regards to randomness. At least as it relates to Roulette, a game played with 37 or 38 choices and a table layout that creates identifiable groupings. I use context to my advantage. Your test is too minimal to produce viable data.
So are you saying that your method doesn't work on Internet casinos?
The Mod function is the key to generating random numbers - like the ones in all computerized casino games and your car key - your car key's chip and the receiver in your car use the same Mod function and synchronize to allow your key to open the doors; both generate the same exact random number sequence.
Military grade random number generators have a way of sampling "white noise" from a radio, for instance, to generate one-time key code pads that the military use for high security installations and go-codes.
By using the DJIA there is NO pseudo-random number generator involved - it is a true random number just like the physical roulette wheel. (0 to 37 or 0 to 38 with 0 being green 0 and 37 being green 00)
You'd have to supply me with a link or reference to convince me otherwise.....
I'm not saying that your choice for generating random outcomes is not random. I'm saying that six outcomes is not enough data to generate useful context. I'm a computer programmer and have built a real world simulation of all the effects that a ball encounters as it works it's way around a roulette wheel and that eventually falls into any random slot. So I really do understand the difference between pseudo random and real random. I can assure you that most computers produce an accurate enough simulated randomness to please any testers staying below 500,000 spins. And beyond that resetting the random seed every half million spins produces accurate testing into the billions of spins.
Quote from: Gizmotron on January 26, 2011, 04:52:10 PM
I'm not saying that your choice for generating random outcomes is not random. I'm saying that six outcomes is not enough data to generate useful context. I'm a computer programmer and have built a real world simulation of all the effects that a ball encounters as it works it's way around a roulette wheel and that eventually falls into any random slot. So I really do understand the difference between pseudo random and real random. I can assure you that most computers produce an accurate enough simulated randomness to please any testers staying below 500,000 spins. And beyond that resetting the random seed every half million spins produces accurate testing into the billions of spins.
How do you use your techniques to gamble then? I guess I'm guilty of making the leap that your system/technique is gambling oriented.
You walk up to a European Roulette wheel or American version if you want to get creamed, and what do you do next?
I'm guessing that if you use your cell phone to record 8 hours of roulette spins someone besides the waitress will drop by and have a chat with you.....
Quote from: MauiSunset on January 26, 2011, 04:58:30 PM
How do you use your techniques to gamble then? I guess I'm guilty of making the leap that your system/technique is gambling oriented.
It's conditions oriented. I've taught myself a language to identify and relate to changing conditions. Having no mentor I decided to do it my way. I taught myself how to deal with it. I stopped using false information, magical thinking, and stereotypical assumptions. I stopped using valueless beliefs. I discovered what is there and how simple it really is to see it. You are a smart guy. Why don't you start with all that is there to use as real data information. It's right in front of you, only you can't see it yet.
Quote from: Gizmotron on January 26, 2011, 05:06:23 PM
It's conditions oriented. I've taught myself a language to identify and relate to changing conditions. Having no mentor I decided to do it my way. I taught myself how to deal with it. I stopped using false information, magical thinking, and stereotypical assumptions. I stopped using valueless beliefs. I discovered what is there and how simple it really is to see it. You are a smart guy. Why don't you start with all that is there to use as real data information. It's right in front of you, only you can't see it yet.
Well, sounds great but I'm going to just keep doing what I've been doing for years - have a lot of fun gambling.
I spent 5 years studying a stock guy called W.D. Gann - he had some original ideas too. I traveled to many locations in North America to seek out Gann gurus and after 5 years, and spending 6 figures, I had to come up with the conclusion that Gann was just another huckster. Even today the only folks making money from his techniques are the folks selling "secret" Gann methods.
I still encourage folks to give my DJIA roulette a try - I'll publish the next spin tonight.
Quote from: MauiSunset on January 25, 2011, 09:59:53 PM
Today the DJIA closed at 11,977. 19 which generates another 29 on the wheel:
This is someone's big opportunity to demonstrate that what they sell is worth more than 2 cents. . . . .
Here's some spins generated from the DJIA:
1/18/2011 11,837. 93 15
1/19/2011 11,825. 29 9
1/20/2011 11,822. 80 19
1/21/2011 11,871. 84 2
1/24/2011 11,980. 52 29
1/25/2011 11,977. 19 29
As I said predicting random future outcomes from a random input, like a Roulette wheel, is impossible - no one has ever done it nor will it ever be done in the future.
Gambling is all about knowing the odds which is 100% math and your control over money management, which you have 100% control over. This goes for any game in a casino.
Leave predicting the future up to fortune tellers. . . .
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Quote from: bombus on January 26, 2011, 06:00:32 PM
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Thank you; but let's get the bet in before the DJIA closes - the close is normally adjusted for 15 - 120 minutes or so after the close. The official close will appear here nolinks://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s= (nolinks://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=)^DJI+Historical+Prices
I will not comment on any prediction either pro or con. As we all know the reason gambling is called gambling is because there risk and one outcome is just part of the overall puzzle.
If you'd like to place a wager that would be even better. E.g. $5 on Black or $5 on 1st 12, etc. (not for real of course)
Date Close Spin
1/26/2011 11,985.44 3
1/25/2011 11977.19 29
1/24/2011 11980.52 29
1/21/2011 11871.84 2
1/20/2011 11822.8 19
1/19/2011 11825.29 9
1/18/2011 11837.93 15
1/14/2011 11787.38 29
1/13/2011 11731.9 31
1/12/2011 11755.44 17
1/11/2011 11671.88 23
1/10/2011 11637.45 21
1/7/2011 11674.76 15
1/6/2011 11697.31 13
1/5/2011 11722.89 18
1/4/2011 11691.18 29
1/3/2011 11670.75 21
The next pseudo spin is odd. But it really doesn't matter if it wins or loses. Don't you want to know why?
Quote from: Gizmotron on January 26, 2011, 11:57:37 PM
The next pseudo spin is odd. But it really doesn't matter if it wins or loses. Don't you want to know why?
Ok, so Bet $5 on odd?
If you don't care whether it wins or loses then must be part of a setup with following spins being the bet(s)?
3 is in the corner forming a zig-zag pattern down the board, 3-5-7-11-15-17-19-23-27-29-31-35 with 29 being on this pattern for the previous 2 spins and 15,17,19, 23, and 31 were on this pattern too.
This would be called a vibration of numbers with a subset of odd vibrating. At least that's what a lot of folks who believe in number vibrations believe - numbers vibrating within the confines of the roulette board.
15 out of the last 17 numbers were odd too.
You'd be far better off saving the vibrations for your girl tools.
picking even money chanches proves nothing. the key is to pick five numbers. together on the wheel. going on past results. and make a profit.
Quote from: pins on January 27, 2011, 02:15:07 AM
picking even money chanches proves nothing. the key is to pick five numbers. together on the wheel. going on past results. and make a profit.
I always break down a problem into smaller chunks to work on. The binary choices are as small as you can get and the odds indicate they are the weakest being 1 to 1.
I like European Roulette because the house only get's a tax of 1/37 (2.7%) and there are a lot of money management techniques that lend themselves to binary outcomes. My bets are as small as possible for as long as possible.
Picking 5 numbers exposes 5 times as much money to a Green 0 versus a binary bet. Also it makes any system 5 times as complex.
But that's just my outlook at Roulette....
Quote from: MauiSunset on January 26, 2011, 10:00:49 PM
Date Close Spin
1/26/2011 11,985.44 3
1/25/2011 11977.19 29
1/24/2011 11980.52 29
1/21/2011 11871.84 2
1/20/2011 11822.8 19
1/19/2011 11825.29 9
1/18/2011 11837.93 15
1/14/2011 11787.38 29
1/13/2011 11731.9 31
1/12/2011 11755.44 17
1/11/2011 11671.88 23
1/10/2011 11637.45 21
1/7/2011 11674.76 15
1/6/2011 11697.31 13
1/5/2011 11722.89 18
1/4/2011 11691.18 29
1/3/2011 11670.75 21
$5 on 12
Quote from: bombus on January 27, 2011, 08:26:15 AM
$5 on 12
$5 on 12 - thank you
Straight up 12
Outside bet:
1st dozen
Low 1-18
Even
Red
Column 3
On the wheel 12 is surrounded by 8 and 29 with 29 being hit twice lately; 12 is 90 degrees from 3, the last number.
P.S.
I'm not trying to guess how someone comes up with their forecast - that's their business. I'm just showing folks that your brain will find patterns where patterns don't exist. It's how our brain works and you can't shut it off, that pattern matching ability is present in every life form that I know of - that's how we survive.
But although finding patterns in random numbers is fun it just leads to losing your bankroll if you use a random pattern to forecast the future.
Lady luck and good money management makes you smile at the end of the night. Knowing when to stop gambling is more important than any "system" you can find or buy.
So how many "systems" you know of tell you when to stop? (Besides running out of money) When you gamble you've got to have a bankroll that you are prepared to lose and go home and you need a winnings target to do the same. If you bring $200 and are up $100 is it time to call it quits or do you promptly lose the $100 plus the $200?
We've all been there and this question is probably the most important question that needs to be answered by any "system". If a "system" never tells you when to stop taking winnings that "system" probably never actually faced that problem - too much winnings............
DJIA closed at 11,989.83 which generates a 35 on the Roulette wheel.
3rd 12th
Second column
Black
Odd
High numbers 19-36
Anyone want to make a forecast for Friday's spin?
You are joking, right?
Ken
Quote from: Mr J on January 27, 2011, 10:17:46 PM
You are joking, right?
Ken
So how do I respond to that?
Start your own thread if you want on any topic you want; this is my challenge to anyone here to demonstrate, in real time, their ability to beat Roulette.
My contention is that forecasting future events is impossible in any game of change in a casino - you are welcome to prove me wrong.
This doesn't mean that you can't have fun gambling and with money management and some luck have a great day at the casino, but no one here makes a living playing Roulette. Selling systems is another matter completely.
Quote from: MauiSunset on January 27, 2011, 10:05:59 PM
DJIA closed at 11,989.83 which generates a 35 on the Roulette wheel.
3rd 12th
Second column
Black
Odd
High numbers 19-36
Anyone want to make a forecast for Friday's spin?
I'm down $10.
$5 on 22
DJIA closed today at 11823.70 which generates another 35.
Date Close Spin
1/28/2011 11823.70 35
1/27/2011 11989.83 35
1/26/2011 11,985.44 3
1/25/2011 11977.19 29
1/24/2011 11980.52 29
1/21/2011 11871.84 2
1/20/2011 11822.80 19
1/19/2011 11825.29 9
1/18/2011 11837.93 15
1/14/2011 11787.38 29
1/13/2011 11731.9 31
1/12/2011 11755.44 17
1/11/2011 11671.88 23
1/10/2011 11637.45 21
1/7/2011 11674.76 15
1/6/2011 11697.31 13
1/5/2011 11722.89 18
1/4/2011 11691.18 29
1/3/2011 11670.75 21
I'd like $1 on 2nd dozen and $1 on 3rd dozen please
I'm down $15.
$5 on 32
Quote"Probability does not determine when a trend will occur and how long it will last."
And it never claimed to. What's your point?
Quote"Probability does not determine when a trend will occur and how long it will last."
Quote from: Mike on January 29, 2011, 12:57:06 PM
And it never claimed to. What's your point?
Everyone I ever attempted to discuss reading randomness with has always made the mistake that I was using past spins to predict the future spins. They won't let go of it either. They think that's what it's all about. So all of their arguments start with that and end with that.
So I'm throwing that very tired old argument back in their faces. They think that everything must follow a law of statistical conformity to its eventual end. Never mind short term coincidences that often stand far outside a normalized baseline value.
Quote from: Gizmotron on January 29, 2011, 03:20:20 PM
Everyone I ever attempted to discuss reading randomness with has always made the mistake that I was using past spins to predict the future spins. They won't let go of it either. They think that's what it's all about. So all of their arguments start with that and end with that.
So I'm throwing that very tired old argument back in their faces. They think that everything must follow a law of statistical conformity to its eventual end. Never mind short term coincidences that often stand far outside a normalized baseline value.
What you are describing is loosely called "number vibrations" - that just the number itself, with no history, tells you about future events/numbers.
There are many many books on this subject - I probably read them all about 20 years ago - all bunk.
If an existing number can predict something in the future then we would have Powerball winners every week - the same person over and over again.
Like I said, there are NO documented cases of ANY ability to look at past, present random numbers and make any kind of prediction that rises above just a random guess.
There used to be a contest about 75 years ago I believe that offered $100,000 (back then) to anyone that could simply forecast if the Dow Jones Industrial Average would close higher or lower the next close; 25 correct forecasts would win you $100,000. You had to send in a telegram before the next open. I don't know if that contest is still on, probably not.
In Roulette its easy to predict 25 reds/blacks and if it could be done I'm sure someone would easily pay you $1,000,000 for your secret. You should be concentrating on setting up such a demonstration in real time if you have this ability.
Just a suggestion.....
Quote from: MauiSunset on January 29, 2011, 03:37:40 PM
What you are describing is loosely called "number vibrations" - that just the number itself, with no history, tells you about future events/numbers.
There are many many books on this subject - I probably read them all about 20 years ago - all bunk.
If an existing number can predict something in the future then we would have Powerball winners every week - the same person over and over again.
Like I said, there are NO documented cases of ANY ability to look at past, present random numbers and make any kind of prediction that rises above just a random guess.
There used to be a contest about 75 years ago I believe that offered $100,000 (back then) to anyone that could simply forecast if the Dow Jones Industrial Average would close higher or lower the next close; 25 correct forecasts would win you $100,000. You had to send in a telegram before the next open. I don't know if that contest is still on, probably not.
In Roulette its easy to predict 25 reds/blacks and if it could be done I'm sure someone would easily pay you $1,000,000 for your secret. You should be concentrating on setting up such a demonstration in real time if you have this ability.
Just a suggestion.....
Thank you for in effect confirming my point and making it in the same place. If you listen to yourself you are telling me that I'm saying it's about prediction. AND THEN YOU GO ON TO GIVE ME ADVICE. Why can't you listen? You can't hear me and you can't even hear yourself. I want to use the name calling phrase "moron." But that can't be. You say you are an engineer of some kind.
Quote from: Gizmotron on January 29, 2011, 07:57:37 PM
Thank you for in effect confirming my point and making it in the same place. If you listen to yourself you are telling me that I'm saying it's about prediction. AND THEN YOU GO ON TO GIVE ME ADVICE. Why can't you listen? You can't hear me and you can't even hear yourself. I want to use the name calling phrase "moron." But that can't be. You say you are an engineer of some kind.
I know I've won an argument when emotions take over - not that winning this one is a big deal.
If you have some super secret way of predicting future events then I suggest you do something about it before someone else takes the credit and the glory.
I know no such secret system exists or the casinos would throw out Roulette. The MIT kids that played Blackjack went to Vegas not with super secret math discoveries but simple card counting technique that worked on single deck Blackjack. The casinos promptly went to 6 decks with the Yellow card placed 2/3 of the way in for a shuffling and card counting is now a waste of time.
So even MIT and the smartest mathematicians haven't found the secret to breaking Roulette or Craps or Blackjack. If they ever do the casinos will not hesitate in changing the game or just throwing it in the street.
All you need for me to marvel at your discovery is a test in real time - like the one I'm holding here. If you can make 10 predictions (legal gambling bets) and all 10 are winners you have my attention. Do it 25 out of 25 times and some rich dude will offer you more money than you can count in a lifetime.
Best of luck........
You didn't win anything. You confirmed that you can't listen to others. And I already took action regarding taking credit for all this. Only you weren't around to see it when it happened. I personally tutored ten students on how to read randomness and to deal with changing conditions that are focused on moments of advantage states. I've cemented my legacy in real people. They all have the true story to tell. They will all know how to identify any frauds that attempt to make claims of having been through my personal one on one teachings. I did this in order to turn people like you into lame brained weasels. All you see is what you can guess at. Only you are doing all your guessing right in front of everyone to see.
Quote from: MauiSunset on January 29, 2011, 08:09:33 PM
I know I've won an argument when emotions take over - not that winning this one is a big deal.
If you have some super secret way of predicting future events then I suggest you do something about it before someone else takes the credit and the glory.
I know no such secret system exists or the casinos would throw out Roulette. The MIT kids that played Blackjack went to Vegas not with super secret math discoveries but simple card counting technique that worked on single deck Blackjack. The casinos promptly went to 6 decks with the Yellow card placed 2/3 of the way in for a shuffling and card counting is now a waste of time.
So even MIT and the smartest mathematicians haven't found the secret to breaking Roulette or Craps or Blackjack. If they ever do the casinos will not hesitate in changing the game or just throwing it in the street.
All you need for me to marvel at your discovery is a test in real time - like the one I'm holding here. If you can make 10 predictions (legal gambling bets) and all 10 are winners you have my attention. Do it 25 out of 25 times and some rich dude will offer you more money than you can count in a lifetime.
Best of luck........
Quote from: Gizmotron on January 29, 2011, 08:28:45 PM
You didn't win anything. You confirmed that you can't listen to others. And I already took action regarding taking credit for all this. Only you weren't around to see it when it happened. I personally tutored ten students on how to read randomness and to deal with changing conditions that are focused on moments of advantage states. I've cemented my legacy in real people. They all have the true story to tell. They will all know how to identify any frauds that attempt to make claims of having been through my personal one on one teachings. I did this in order to turn people like you into lame brained weasels. All you see is what you can guess at. Only you are doing all your guessing right in front of everyone to see.
Did you know that eMail and Instant Messaging were never patented by anyone and the reason they are free now?
Google was smart and patented everything they do - it's all out there in hundreds of patents to read. The computer mouse idea is patented as is the concept of double clicking - someone get's a royalty check for it. Don't get me going on Facebook.
I strongly suggest that you get a patent of some kind and start reaping the rewards of licensing your technique.
Don't let this become another smart idea that everyone just starts using once the word gets out.
A word to the wise...........
I invented MTML, Meaningful Text Markup Language. I invented the experimental markup language browser, Intuition 1.6, that browser makes use of MTML. That software was free, runs on Windows and Mac OS 10 computers and the file format over the internet works cross platform. There are hundreds of inventions in my software invention. I hold no patents on any of the original ideas. So my software represents prior art. This makes patenting any of these ideas impossible. I had my reasons for doing this that way.
So I don't care about patenting a working advantage in the world of gambling. I'm counting on basic common sense that something that is secret is worth keeping it that way for those smart enough not to blow away the dream of it. Don't you get it yet? I would rather see people react to when it is finally known and watching them react to the lame brain that blows it. What's better? The guy that discovers gold or the guy that tells the entire world where it is? Human nature is the best way to send a message. It's slow, and it makes the story the most interesting.
Quote from: Gizmotron on January 29, 2011, 09:15:08 PM
I invented MTML, Meaningful Text Markup Language. I invented the experimental markup language browser, Intuition 1.6, that browser makes use of MTML. That software was free, runs on Windows and Mac OS 10 computers and the file format over the internet works cross platform. There are hundreds of inventions in my software invention. I hold no patents on any of the original ideas. So my software represents prior art. This makes patenting any of these ideas impossible. I had my reasons for doing this that way.
So I don't care about patenting a working advantage in the world of gambling. I'm counting on basic common sense that something that is secret is worth keeping it that way for those smart enough not to blow away the dream of it. Don't you get it yet? I would rather see people react to when it is finally known and watching them react to the lame brain that blows it. What's better? The guy that discovers gold or the guy that tells the entire world where it is? Human nature is the best way to send a message. It's slow, and it makes the story the most interesting.
Can you imagine the royalty check that the guy who invented eMail would get each month if he had simply taken out a Patent Pending?
If eMail cost money, like postage stamps on a letter, then the whole idea of spam eMail would never have happened. Imagine if a royalty of 1 cent per eMail sent was charged and captured for the patent owner? The guy would be a bizzionaire - receiving an eMail would be free. Or if they guy wanted to be magnanimous that 1 cent would go to the receiver of the eMail. The US Post Office could have run it and thus not go out of business too.
Capitalism is always superior to other choices - make money not love.............
E-mail is a derivative of packeted data transmission. It's part of a subset of SGML. Markup languages can't be patented. Now the phrase "You've got mail." Well that's a different story. You can patent, copyright, or trademark things like that. You can copyright a software invention and get paid by anyone that wishes to copy it without permissions. I wanted the markup language MTML to be feature rich and in wide distribution. None of that happened. I was just too burnt out to validate my own invention. I thought someone else would take up that interest but it never happened.
You're both talking to each other but you're not listening to each other!
Date Close Spin
1/31/2011 11,891.93 13
1/28/2011 11823.7 35
1/27/2011 11989.83 35
1/26/2011 11,985.44 3
1/25/2011 11977.19 29
1/24/2011 11980.52 29
1/21/2011 11871.84 2
1/20/2011 11822.8 19
1/19/2011 11825.29 9
1/18/2011 11837.93 15
1/14/2011 11787.38 29
1/13/2011 11731.9 31
1/12/2011 11755.44 17
1/11/2011 11671.88 23
1/10/2011 11637.45 21
1/7/2011 11674.76 15
1/6/2011 11697.31 13
1/5/2011 11722.89 18
1/4/2011 11691.18 29
1/3/2011 11670.75 21
To this day, I dont get it? The Dow Jones has WHAT to do with roulette?
Ken
Quote from: Mr J on February 01, 2011, 02:23:19 AM
To this day, I dont get it? The Dow Jones has WHAT to do with roulette?
Ken
It's impossible to predict the DJIA - no person has been able to predict even if it will close up or down tomorrow - nobody.
When you take the 7 digit number and divide it by 37 the remainder is a number between 0 and 36 - the Roulette wheel.
It is a perfect random number since we only need 37 numbers from it and you can calculate it with a calculator and the number is available all over the world and it can't be tampered with.
It's just a random number generator that folks can use to demonstrate their winning systems in real time here.
The other approach is to do what John Gold did this afternoon right here - gamble 4 hours in real time with us watching a real Roulette wheel spin in real time.
Quote from: MauiSunset on February 01, 2011, 01:24:10 AM
Date Close Spin
1/31/2011 11,891.93 13
1/28/2011 11823.7 35
1/27/2011 11989.83 35
1/26/2011 11,985.44 3
1/25/2011 11977.19 29
1/24/2011 11980.52 29
1/21/2011 11871.84 2
1/20/2011 11822.8 19
1/19/2011 11825.29 9
1/18/2011 11837.93 15
1/14/2011 11787.38 29
1/13/2011 11731.9 31
1/12/2011 11755.44 17
1/11/2011 11671.88 23
1/10/2011 11637.45 21
1/7/2011 11674.76 15
1/6/2011 11697.31 13
1/5/2011 11722.89 18
1/4/2011 11691.18 29
1/3/2011 11670.75 21
I'm down $20.
$5 on 16 :D
Date Close Spin
2/1/2011 12040.16 36
1/31/2011 11,891.93 13
1/28/2011 11823.7 35
1/27/2011 11989.83 35
1/26/2011 11,985.44 3
1/25/2011 11977.19 29
1/24/2011 11980.52 29
1/21/2011 11871.84 2
1/20/2011 11822.8 19
1/19/2011 11825.29 9
1/18/2011 11837.93 15
1/14/2011 11787.38 29
1/13/2011 11731.9 31
1/12/2011 11755.44 17
1/11/2011 11671.88 23
1/10/2011 11637.45 21
1/7/2011 11674.76 15
1/6/2011 11697.31 13
1/5/2011 11722.89 18
1/4/2011 11691.18 29
1/3/2011 11670.75 21
Since no one is demonstrating their system, in real time, I won't post new figures. However, if you want to prove to the world you have a system that beats Roulette just let me know and it won't take me but 30 seconds to post the latest spins.
Folks, this says a lot about all those systems that beat Roulette - none, except John Gold, want to demonstrate what they have; gee, I wonder what that could be......
I have no practical system to beat the roulette.My strategy is based on the theory of Blaise Pascal.I have demonstrated my strategy for several members of the forum.I only play on a European RNG roulette. Though I am convinced RNG is manipulated,I never lost a session.A profit of about 100 units and 150 spins per hour
Quote from: schoenpoetser on February 05, 2011, 06:39:32 AM
I have no practical system to beat the roulette.My strategy is based on the theory of Blaise Pascal.I have demonstrated my strategy for several members of the forum.I only play on a European RNG roulette. Though I am convinced RNG is manipulated,I never lost a session.A profit of about 100 units and 150 spins per hour
I'd love to see it in real time - willing to sign NDA if needed - just let me know when - use the live chatroom above and a live TV Roulette wheel and we are all set - takes 5 minutes to set up.
John Gold has done this twice this week and he had no problems with getting the spins and chatting with us in real time.
I like nolinks://nolinks.smartlivecasino.com/Contents/Casino/EN/LiveRouletteGame.aspx?type=flash (nolinks://nolinks.smartlivecasino.com/Contents/Casino/EN/LiveRouletteGame.aspx?type=flash) and having 2 monitors or 2 PCs is probably easier for everyone involved - but you can shrink 2 windows and see both simultaneously. This table has a $3,000 table limit and you can see the past 185 numbers by clicking "Stats" and then "last 185"
MauiS:For you it is done in 5 minutes,for me a problem.I am not a PC freak and every new system takes me a lot of time to learn all in and outs.Please give me more details to give a demonstration in your way.Skype is also possible but is limited to one participant to share my computer.
Quote from: schoenpoetser on February 05, 2011, 11:36:12 AM
MauiS:For you it is done in 5 minutes,for me a problem.I am not a PC freak and every new system takes me a lot of time to learn all in and outs.Please give me more details to give a demonstration in your way.Skype is also possible but is limited to one participant to share my computer.
OK, I understand.
This is all easier if you have 2 monitors or 2 PCs - that I can't help you with.
Step 1 - get live TV Roulette workingSimply place your mouse over the following link and right click the mouse - you will see a menu. Click "Open link in new Browser" or "Open link in new tab" - the choice is yours:
nolinks://nolinks.smartlivecasino.com/welcome.html (nolinks://nolinks.smartlivecasino.com/welcome.html)
Now click the "Live Auto Roulette Wheel" and "Free Play"
You now have a live TV Roulette wheel that goes 24/7 and just wait for the next spin. You can actually bet, which I suggest you do
You can get the last 185 spins by:
1) Click "stats" tab in lower left window
2) Click "Last 185" tab and you will see the last 185 spins
Step 2 - Get Live chatroom runningClick the "Chat" tab at the top of this page
You are now live and running.
If you want to see what chats have taken place in the last few minutes type in:
/Back 200
That will give you the last 200 conversations in the last 24-hrs
Hope this helps.....
MauiS:Thanks for your help.I have found the internet-roulette.When I observe the wheel ,I can hardly believe it is a live roulette. I had much troubles to place my bets in time.The problem is also the minimum bets 10 units on the outside bets.In my way of playing I use the outside bets very often.The bets on the streets give me also some troubles.I have done about 15 spins. Only on the zero I lost all my bets, all other spins were successful.I am not familiar with these roulette enough to give a successful and interested demonstration.I think it should be possible to do it with my internet casino site. I use Roxy Palace with the software of Microgaming.Now I have to go and I will try tomorrow.
Regards
Here's another live TV Roulette Table: nolinks://nolinks.challengejackpot.com/live_roulette (nolinks://nolinks.challengejackpot.com/live_roulette)
:-) Just come across this and I like this way of bet selection. Very refreshing indeed MauiSunset. Excellent work!
And thank you for sharing it. It is Much appreciated.
maui the question to ask gizmo is not, "what is the next outcome... " based on roulette decisions you generate somehow by the stock market, the question to ask would be how many previous real spins would gizmo need to predict the next outcome or series of outcomes-- and I have plenty of those-- hundreds of real spins from real wheels that I personally recorded-- and I'm sure others have their own real roulette data. so if someone wanted to demonstrate their ability to predict roulette outcomes (without explaining how they do it) they would only need to ask me for whatever amount of consecutive spins they wanted to see in order to make their predictions for the outcomes that came next. but I'm sure gizmo would not take this challenge for one reason or other (and I wouldn't be too interested in spending time with this sort of test.) and certainly just predicting the next even chance proves nothing (anyone would have a good chance of winning that.) my point is that there is plenty of real roulette data out there that could be utilized for prediction contests, if you will, (and even if it's been published, a window of spins among many-- chosen by the "tester"-- would be difficult for the "predictor" to find), and this would be more representative of real roulette betting than your dow jones thing. but what is the point? no one can predict the future, and if someone can do it or says they can, they will find ways to avoid showing they can do it I'm sure (and even if they did it and seemed to be correct in their predictions, would you really want to take a class in "how to read random", even if it was offered to you for free? I wouldn't-- if it's a skill that gizmo has, I doubt it can even be taught, as there can be no organized way to learn to predict chaos. well I suppose you could study "chaos theory", but it probably wouldn't help beating the house edge.)
About a year ago I ran a challenge for someone to demo a Roulette system that actually works - one person gave me a private demo providing I would not comment on the system or any system during 2011.
Well in 3 weeks I can post again and address any issues from earlier this year.
Happy Holidays everyone.............
:)
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