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I cannot view it because I am on the ps3.
If it is as good as you say then don't bother selling it, just use it at casinos and make the money that way. Shouldn't take that long.
After you have made your fortune, you could post the strategy on this forum and others could enjoy winning.
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So you got banned from one forum. Then you offered to sell it to genuine winner for 5 times the asking price. You basically said anyone that plays it will be banned because it's so good.
So who cares?? If you can't actually use it, what's it worth?
The system worth selling/buying would look more like the second line in this graph. :thumbsup:
See attached.
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It looks like there's a draw down of about 56,000 units in the original graph.
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i do not believe any system for roulette would be banned. no system exists that cannot lose. back 35 numbers for 1.000 a number. would the casino ban you.
From spins 750,000 to 890,000 there's a draw down from 52,000 to 3,000. Sorry, that's only a 49K loss, I should've looked closer.
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Quote from: N0vocane on January 27, 2011, 09:58:04 PM
I contacted genuinewinner. com and offered to sell it to them for half a million, instead of the $100,000 they offered for a winning system. We will see where it goes from here.
Hmm, I think I can take an educated guess where this one is going.
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how long does it take to win one unit. how many spins or hours. your out lay. all these factors are needed to see if your system is any good.
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It's difficult to accurately read the graph, but if you break it down into 10 sets of 100,000 spins you get,
LwLLnolinkswLL = 5w, 5L.
That's neck and neck, pretty even. If the next 100000 goes L you could be down for 1,100,000 spins!
Congratulations on showing a profit over such a long trial, but the results are not conclusive. There are some very long periods with huge drawdowns. If I had bought in to your system at spin 800,000 I would be losing about 34,000 units over 200,000 spins. Quite frankly I would be shitting myself about now.
Is the system flat betting?
How many placed bets in the 1 mil trial?
How long does it take to test your 1 million spins? Perhaphs you could test 1 million spins, make a graph, and repeat this process 100 times. If you have a success in over 90 of your 1 million spin graphs you may have more believers.
Ok look forward to your post.
my 2 cents. it is insane to use system with such such crazy downdraws. Period. Let alone buy it. to spend like 15 thousand units to get 100 thousand units in future (maybe yes, maybe no)?
thank u very much! that's crazy. Your system won just by pure luck. in next 100 thousand spins it can go down, then up, then in next a few hundred thousands it can go down big time.
U wanna sell it for half million? u have to give away a 20 thousand for someone to spend them on playing your system. Sorry if I sound rude, no intention to attack you personally. But I am attacking your lousy "system", bud. It is a loser. U can't sell it even for 20 bucks, it is not worth it.
and yes Bombus, u r right of course
Quote from: N0vocane on January 27, 2011, 10:34:07 PM
Look at graph lol, the lowest was -9,746. Highest +55,126. End at 12,844. How can you even be commenting when you don't know how to read a simple graph? Stop posting
Am I the only one that can see a huge draw-down of thousands and thousands of units on that graph? Maybe I should just quit posting.
Quote from: TheHud on January 28, 2011, 12:52:28 AM
Am I the only one that can see a huge draw-down of thousands and thousands of units on that graph? Maybe I should just quit posting.
Hud, Novocaine does not understand anything about playing roulette, that's it. He thinks only by ups and downs. if this is still up it is a winner. He does not understand what "consistent winning" and "acceptable downdraw and bankroll" mean.
I would just advice him either to read for some time some books and articles about roulette and how is possible to win or just quit it before he gets in real trouble.
or just stop pulling our legs. Maybe he is just having fun with us - that's another possibilty.
If the system beats INDEPENDENT 1m spins, then I'm interested but not for $500k. I already have methods that win, that dont cost that much, but they are for real wheels only. I'm basically after the holy grail for RNG.
A system can be engineered to win against even 10m spins. See nolinks.genuinewinner.com/100k.html (nolinks://nolinks.genuinewinner.com/100k.html)
congrats on the system mate but if im being honest about it im going to say i wouldnt buy it.
mainly you would need 50,000 to get head and by what one unit. thats not worth putting 50,000 into it even if it is making a profit for one unit.
also if you plan on selling it and you think the casinos will ban you for using it then it wouldnt be worth using.
I know you can change the amount of the unit but your system did lose when it whent in the minus,
im sorry mate im with iggy and bombus
it just cost to much to run it.
Hi N0vocane,
Quote from: N0vocane on January 27, 2011, 11:31:05 PM
It takes about 30 minutes to run a million. I've been too busy going over my first graph all day today that I haven't run another one. I'm going to go to bed, then in the morning I will run a bunch of graphs, hell that may have been a bad session I posted. We'll see in the morning for sure.
Whatever the results I'll post, even if the next million don't go well. 8 hours sleep and I'll be back.
Good idea. It's great you found a winning system - if true. Anyhow, looking forward to hearing more. More power and good luck to you :)
A.
Nice work NOvo!
I hope someone can come forward to help you with the programming glitch.
Quote from: N0vocane on January 27, 2011, 10:52:58 PM
It's funny how you post a winning system and show proof and people flame you.
You haven't posted a winning system here N0vocane, you have posted several graphs showing a profit after 1 million spins at a time..... :rtfm:
just a thought how about showing some sessions of 100-300 spins at a time ? You know a number of spins that humans can actually sit down for n play ?
Novocaine, have u heard about Pyrrhus' victory in ancient history?
nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhic_victory (nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhic_victory)
I just read it and if your comparing my graphs to that you are wrong. Look at the 3 million spins. It starts with $100 and finishes in +$244,000. If I put those graphs together you will see a constant line up. +244,000 units is not a loss in any way.
Quote from: N0vocane on January 28, 2011, 08:59:56 AM
Here you go, just did this in 3 minutes
If you don't believe me look at the time you made your post and the time I replied with the spins, it was only 5 minutes.
That's much better, although I think you are going to have to keep em coming for people to take a greater interest :good:
Novocaine, I am sorry, but I would not use your system to win even for free. U may consider yourself a winner.
I advice you not to use this system with real money. Good luck with selling it.
P.S. Usual Martingale on EC would basically give the same results u got. Maybe even better.
Novocaine, I give u a warning. U were banned on one forum, already, now u start insults? and Martingale WILL show profit, if there is no table limit and no wallet limit. just like your system.
i strongly advice u not to use abusive language here. i am not removing your post, though u were trying to attack me personally. I never attacked u, but your system DOES NOT WORK. period.
u used a stop loss on Martingale. that's why it goes down. But u did not use a stoploss on your system. If u used a stoploss on your system it would not show profits after million of spins
Quote from: iggiv on January 28, 2011, 11:22:36 AM
u used a stop loss on Martingale. that's why it goes down. But u did not use a stoploss on your system. If u used a stoploss on your system it would not show profits after million of spins
Also no triggers had been used on this martingale testing. I recommend waiting 12 EC repeats and then bet for 10-15 spins depending on table limit. At Park Royal Casino in London, you can pre arrange a £100k table limit (£50 minimum bet) so it makes it quite worth it to go there and wait for 1 trigger per day and start betting £100/£200 (if you have that much spare bank roll) and make £3000/£6000 a month with only 1 trigger per day.
Novocane, just have a look at this...You dare to call me "retarded"? I won't call you names. This chart does.
i think you need to work on tactics, read the book the art of war ,if your so concerned about casinos catching on to your system,if i had a winning system i would be taking money of the casino,and not trying to prove to any one that you have a winning system ,winning small amounts at time does not get you banned ,my opinion.
I do not play that but thats a way to make you £6k a month betting only once or twice a day (money, limits and time required).
Your system still involves a lot more betting and calculations, so, It may not be as good even as a simple triggering-mode martingales and its tweaks. Now imagine your system agains others (or all) better than trigger-martingale in this forum. Hardly.
CashGrowth.
hell, this is a joke...
imagine u get a few times at this situation....waiting to recover...u can't sit at casino for a million spins. This is just a gamble with insane amounts of money. With the same luck you can come and put a few thousand on red
Quote from: N0vocane on January 28, 2011, 11:41:36 AM
Yes but you can't come in a win every day for a month without someone noticing. Soon they will catch on, the casinos use face recognition software, they are not stupid. They have some of the most sophisticated software in the world. They don't let players come in and win.
it' hard to hit a moving target.
Quote from: N0vocane on January 28, 2011, 11:43:55 AM
These graphs are a joke? Coming from someone who thinks a martingale on ECs will show a profit after 3 million spins lol.
of course it will show profit. if u have no limits. Your system is just as realistic as Martingale.
Quote from: N0vocane on January 28, 2011, 11:41:36 AM
Yes but you can't come in a win every day for a month without someone noticing. Soon they will catch on, the casinos use face recognition software, they are not stupid. They have some of the most sophisticated software in the world. They don't let players come in and win.
10 Years guarantee no getting caught:
Mon Day 1 - Casinos BM 1 & 2
Tue Day 2 - Online Live Casinos 1 & 2
Wed Day 3 - Bookie Airball Roulette
Thu Day 4 - Online Overseas RNG 1
Fri Day 5 - Hotel Casino 1
Sat Day 6 - Amusements House Roulette 1
Sun Day 7 - Rest
Repeat course with different venues, exemple:
Mon Day 1 - Casinos BM 3 & 4
Tue Day 2 - Online Live Casinos 3 & 4
Wed Day 3 - Bookie Airball Roulette
Thu Day 4 - Online Overseas RNG 2
Fri Day 5 - Hotel Casino 2
Sat Day 6 - Amusements House Roulette 2
Sun Day 7 - Rest
And so on, visit each venue only once or twice a month or less (240 times only in 10 years) and that's it.
Depending where you are located, you can still have a choice of around 40 BM casinos and 100 online casinos to choose from.
100% guaranteed not getting caught.
CashGrowth.
OK, you use a stop loss within table limits. Great. Now go ahead, sell your system, make money, write a book.
When u write a book, come here, give a link to it, so we can read.
i wash my hands on it. If u can't understand what is realistic winning when u play roulette
The martingale has not been tested with triggering.
1. Trig-Marti: Wait 12 same ECs and bet marti for 10-15 steps.
2. Rep-Trig-Marti: Wait 12 same ECs and bet marti until win twice (eg. if won at step 2 keeping doubling until second win).
Why it's better: a lot less bets, a lot less calculations, a lot less play, simpler system, playable with less bank roll.
If you have great confidence in your system then what you should do is open up as many online casino accounts as possible and start winning.
Yes b&m casinos have face recognition technology but they would only ban you if they suspect you are cheating and/or were winning large amounts regularly eg 500-1000 every 2 to 3 days. If you were not they would assume you would lose all your winnings back to them.
Online casinos do not use face recognition technology so as long as you do not get greedy they will not ban you. For example, if you play,at 50 online casinos and win $50 at each of the first 25 casinos and $50 at the other 25 casinos the next day then that is $1250 a day and you would get your $500,000 after just 400 days. But there are a lot more than 50 online casinos, so you could increase the amount you play, just stick to the $50 limit every two days and you would not get banned.
How many online casinos are there? Must be thousands! You have to watch out for the dodgy ones (most of them lol)
And even if a casino was to ban you (it wouldn't) just join a different casino and so on.
Only if your system really works of course.......................
Hello everyone,
Interesting debate here.
Is this guy trying to sell his 3 million spin winning system? If so, I missed the asking price. Not that I am interested, but still...
As far as the ''wait for 12 EC to repeat...'' and then bet against it debate. Well! I cannot believe we are discussing wheter the casino would ban the big winners or not. For Pete,s sake!!!!!! Over 100 years of guys like us trying to figure a way to win (and cannot), and you guys actually think that all you have to do is wait for 12 EC in a row!!!! You think this has not been done in the past? Trust me on this one: if your biggest problem is to ''hide'' your winnings, I can arrange that for a very small % of the winnings.
I am interested in what the sellor has to say about his method. Did he say at beginning that it was a flatbetting system? If so, how does get huge drawdowns and very quick recovery on the short 300 spins sample he gave. It can only come from a very steep progression-based sytem.
Insider
real winning system won't show a drawdown of more than a few hundred units, and to recover after this loss u won't need to sit thousands of spins at casino. If a method lets u lose 20 k bucks (!) it means that under other circumstances it can be 100 k or 200 k, and u may recover finally or may lose more. Then yes, u may recover after a year...and then lose again...and recover again and finally be in plus...till u lose more. That's a hopeless situation, and any normal sane person would avoid such a method as a plague.
you don't understand something else. you assume that all game is going according to your plan. that u won say 10 k then lost 5k then won 20 k then lost 25 then recovered and made 50 k....
with those turns of the destiny you can lose 20 k first, then lose 30 k more then lose 15 k (just a bad luck wave) and finally end up in hospital with heart attack. Yes, you may win, you may lose. that's what gambling really is. But the rule is -- u play only with money you can afford. Can u afford losing 40 k then waiting to recover it? Well, if u can, maybe u don't need to gamble at all. Maybe u can find some business you can invest this money into. Or just deposit them somewhere with good returns...
that's insane, really insane, what u plan to do and what your system does. That's not just to flame you many people try to convince you that u r wrong. Yes, u wrong. And if someone agrees to use your system even for free for gambling-- he is taking huge risk, and it can ruin his life.
Now imagine this scenario. You lost 20k. U start recovering. u recovered couple of thousand. Then suddenly casino you were playing in, decides to ban you! You are at their mercy, this money is not yours anymore, that's theirs!
They are not idiots and you gonna be not the first one to leave your fortune with them. And u can do NOTHING!
And imagine this happens time after time after time....
now imagine you telling your wife or girlfriend: i have a winning system, i lost with it 40 k now, that's ok, i have to recover it now....What people would think about u? After such stories people may see you a bit differently eh?
I know this is off-topic, but could anyone tell me where to get the program that makes these graphs?
Thanks,
Sam
this is a loser too for sure. There is no point to argue which loser is worse. That loser makes almost no money for all effort done, but it is pretty safe. your loser may win lots of money but bring you to suicide finally.
Quote from: birdhands on January 28, 2011, 02:19:55 PM
I know this is off-topic, but could anyone tell me where to get the program that makes these graphs?
Thanks,
Sam
RX
nolinks://nolinks.uxsoftware.com/pages/download.html (nolinks://nolinks.uxsoftware.com/pages/download.html)
N0vocane,
Can I ask you - Have you actually played your system in Casino, real or online, yet?
Please say how much REAL $$$ money you have made using this system up to now.
Thanks,
A.
Quote from: N0vocane on January 28, 2011, 02:35:08 PM
900 units yesterday, that's day 1 online.
How long did you play online? Could you expect this amount of profit each day?
A.
I said £100/£200 chips at Park Royal's £100k pre-arranged tables and yes, many would happily wait a whole day to bet 1 progression only and make £6k a month tax free (plus eating and drinking for free and maybe a taxi home and free plays at the slots).
And obviously leaving a bot doing the same on the 1p online tables.
I used to play marti triggering only 7 steps and never lost, but stopped cos it could be quite risky, thats not my point, my points is, even a marti showed to be better on your graph than your own system.
Your system required a real lot bank roll and the drawdowns were just as bad.
That's only because I mentioned Marti, which is one of the worst systems. Imagine if we take any of the ok systems here (eg. Mr. J Ken's Repeaters Trigger) and apply proper triggering and money management...
I don't mean to cause hopelessness but I'm just trying to show you that there's a lot to improve in your system for it to reach an 'ok' system posted here and until then you will not sell it for any experienced player for more than £0.50.
CashGrowth.
Quote from: N0vocane on January 28, 2011, 02:16:37 PM
Here is the graph of wait 12 EC then bet 10 step progression 2.5million spins. It actually works but it takes 1,300 spins to show 1 unit of profit on the average. No way one can wait all day for 1,300 spins live. You would need a bot to do it online and you would need to find a table limit that had a 1-1100 unit outside table limit or one of equal higher value (ie: 1000-1,100,000 table limit) to make $1000 a day you would need 1,100,000 million dollars to play it. It does't seem plausible to me to play it in real life but it does work.
********900 units yesterday, that's day 1 online*****************
What size were the units?
OK. Thanks N0vocane.
I hope it continues to win for you.
A.
You cannot keep teasing people with a wonderful system and not expect to get flamed. Share the system with us and see if it holds up to public scrutiny. You cannot have a holy grail, boast about it, then expect people to believe it and be happy for you without first revealing how your miraculous system works.
Yeah same here NOvocane, may you keep on winning and sales keep on rising.
Cash growth,
What the hell are you talking about?
Wait for 12 EC and start betting with a progression? Where is the proof of that?
This has been done hundreds of times in different shapes and forms. This will lose, no question about it. It has been tested on RX with several thousand spins. It will not work. Simply because the ball does not give a crap if it has landed 12 times on red before. Simple as that.
6Ks a month with all the VIP treatment. Yeah right! Just wait to see what kind of treatment your bank manager will have for you when you stop paying the mortgage...
I just put my two cents here before some poor newbie starts dreaming in thechnicolour.
I agree with col and iggy.
you cant expect to bost about your system and not tell anyone how it works, up 900 units, thats very good (in my opinion it dosnt matter the size of the chip, if it wins then it wins).
when i look at the graph i see it going into the negative, now when you lose its game over. so how is it able to continue (by throwing more money in it) .
also how is anyone supose to play 1 million spins, its not possible but if it based on around 1000 spins and came out with profit then it would be a winner but like i said the graph shows it going into the negative, in my opinion when you hit the negative its game over.
but if you keep showing it wins on online and makes real money and you can prove this then im sure the top dog would buy it.
I wouldnt cause i dont have the bank roll and if i was that rich i wouldnt be betting, period!
out of everything you say not once have you commented on the fact that your system has gone negative a few times?
how are you ment to play in a real casino if you hit negative, thats all your money gone, game over
Quote from: darrynf on January 28, 2011, 04:35:14 PM
out of everything you say not once have you commented on the fact that your system has gone negative a few times?
how are you ment to play in a real casino if you hit negative, thats all your money gone, game over
Dude I just said that the system will hit the stop loss multiple times! I just said it. When you hit the stop loss that is a LOSS but it will win 3-4 times the amount it loses. So if you go to a casino and are in the red you keep coming back and playing until you recover. This is a very simple concept, just look at the graph.
Out of 4 million spins lowest -22,000 highest was +244,000. So if you loose -22,000 and make +244,000 did you loose money? - Of course not. This is so simple I cant believe your making an argument about this fact.
someone is just out of touch. In real life how can you go to casino and play if u lost 40 thousand? Yes u can if u r Bill Gates. But if u r average Joe. How can u suffer losing 40 thousand and keep playing? and what if u lost 20 k more?
Sell your car, keep playing? And what it just goes on and on? Well, Bill Gates could easily buy and use this system, and maybe even win some money with it after losing some, the problem is he does not need to gamble. And one who does i am afraid won't like the idea of possibly losing 40 k before starting winning. Well, at least i wouldn't. Maybe someone would. There are some people with weird ideas in this world. Novocane is the example.
according to the graphs, yes. What about the real life? You don't know where u hit bad luck or good luck. You have no way to know. Your system may lose for lots of spins. For thousands of them. Yes, you recovered on the paper, that's right. But what if IN REAL LIFE u started the game where i showed you with red colour? In no time you would lose thousands and thousands.
that's why it can't be a winning system. Winning system will never ever lose that much money. Never! Or this is not winning. Yes, winning systems can have a few bad runs, sure. But not on that scale! Far from it.
It is not applicable for real life. Let alone for selling
your system is using progression.There is no way you can beat roulette with progression in long term....there is always pattern that beat your progression. For example pattern RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR beat martingale progression if you are playing on black for 15 spins. It is just matter of time when the pattern that kill you will show. It can be shown in 1000 000 spins, 10 000 000 spins but also in 1000 spins. Progression will kill you and you cannot beat roulette this way. Every pattern will come. Everything what is possible to happen, will happen. It is probability .
no, you don't get it. there are 2 things may happen . either u finally realize your mistakes (maybe improve or create another method, more successful). or u gonna learn it THE HARD WAY. I wish u to learn it the easier way. Good luck
The only way you are going to fully convince people is to post the full system and leave it open to public testing.
Anyway, you are posting in the Full Roulette Systems, if you are not going to post the full system then this thread should be in a different section
fine. congratulations on your winning system. yes, u won the argument. Yes, this is a wonderful winning system. I hope u will find quite a few happy buyers for half million and make even more than that. Good luck. Don't forget in a year to come back here and post a link to your book when u will be a retired millionaire.
and yes, i am retarded and not capable of reading simple winning graphs. I also envy you very much as everybody else.
Quote from: col1879 on January 28, 2011, 05:55:34 PM
The only way you are going to fully convince people is to post the full system and leave it open to public testing.
Anyway, you are posting in the Full Roulette Systems, if you are not going to post the full system then this thread should be in a different section
no need....how many systems here were already posted...
Quote from: N0vocane on January 28, 2011, 08:15:30 PM
So just a quick update -160 units. Went to a live casino and I couldn't calculate the formula fast enough, took me way to long and they spun the ball without me being able to place my bets. I dropped 160 then left. I'm going to have to study extremely hard so I don't f**k up again. I'm mad and on tilt right now because they wouldn't wait for me and I need to just stay away from the game for a while so I don't blow any of my profits.
I'll be back next week with more updates. I'm going to take the weekend off and really think about everything and find the perfect way to make this work at a live casino.
Till next week guys
welcome to the real world, even if your system wins that much and theres no way in hell a casino would alow you to win that much, you lost 50,000 and yet you think a casino would let you win over 50,000?
your system isnt going to work in the real world nor would it work in rng cause it will force you to lose.
i could run a 1000,000 simulation and be up one unit or down one unit, it dosent make it a winning strategy, if its a winning strategy then it should win all the time and not even hit the negatives.
basicly you have to be rich to run your system and anyone that is rich wont gamble it.
Novocane:
look. I am not interested to put you down believe me. I also had an argument with a guy (on another forum) which
wanted to play martingale with bankroll of a few thousand, though it was only for testing then. He got upset because I said that's a really bad idea and not smart, finally he said I was right.
now u should not get upset because of this heated argument, nobody wishes u bad things. But people like me and Darr can clearly see u r on a wrong path. Well, I understand -- u want to believe in your system, and want to believe it is a winner, probably u put a lot of effort into it. U don't have to scrap it. But try to work with your principles and find some ways to make it less dangerous. It is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS right now, probably even more than martingale.
with martingale u can lose a few hundred or a few thousand bucks and basically go home to cry over your loss.
but with this stuff u may lose on a long run really big amounts of money if u gonna believe in your happy winning story.
so bud, better stop, think, redo your work and make it less dangerous. maybe I sounded rude, but not because I want to upset u or envy you. I want to STOP u before u got in big big trouble....
wake up bud, wake up. it is not too late yet.
With such schemes people lose lots of money, you r not the first and not the last. This swamp may get u if u gonna believe that "today I lost last time, because on a long run my system is gonna win. Tomorrow I will win more than I lost today". With those "smart" schemes people sell their houses to lose in casino...
if your system needs huge downdraws it is not gonna work on a long run. period
if u lose a few hundred bucks it is not a problem. the problem is that if u gonna do it a few times then gonna win some then gonna lose more...and gonna believe u recover soon and keep losing...
u also don't understand some things. if a system may need a huge downdraw in ANY GIVEN POINT (not exactly at the beginning) it can happen ANY TIME then. it is extremely dangerous. when u walk into swamp u may not know yet u walking into swamp till it is too late.
OK. I won't bother u any more. that's your life, do what u want to do.
Quote from: N0vocane on January 28, 2011, 08:49:13 PM
You can't run a RNG that will show a profit of 1 unit after 1 million spins plain and simple let alone +244,000. Also, my system was never in the negative of -50,000 units.
I lost today because I wasn't prepared, not because my system doesn't work. I just need to be able to memorize everything perfectly. I'm still up +768.
If you need any help making this method practical for live casino play just let me know...maybe I can help.
Good luck.
Novocaine look this:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/method-trio/msg88554/#msg88554 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/method-trio/msg88554/#msg88554)
Well, I run it on rx and method showed profit over 5 milion spins. I tought like you, I made 1000 simulation with 100 spins sesions, only few were negative. And I really understund you and what you saying.
But Iggy is right, if you have first 2 negative sesions with real money, then you will understund.
Thats only way.
Quote from: insidebet on January 28, 2011, 03:50:47 PM
Cash growth,
What the hell are you talking about?
Wait for 12 EC and start betting with a progression? Where is the proof of that?
This has been done hundreds of times in different shapes and forms. This will lose, no question about it. It has been tested on RX with several thousand spins. It will not work. Simply because the ball does not give a stuff if it has landed 12 times on red before. Simple as that.
6Ks a month with all the VIP treatment. Yeah right! Just wait to see what kind of treatment your bank manager will have for you when you stop paying the mortgage...
I just put my two cents here before some poor newbie starts dreaming in thechnicolour.
You probably did not get what I mean Insidebet, I'm far from a newbie and all i tried to point is that this method that the gentleman is trying to sell does not even perform much better than marti on the graph. I obviously avoid marti, that's why I don't play it, it was really only to point out that the requested thousands asked for that method will not be paid by many, prob a few beginners but that's all.
And also, even now that he know he won't get caught for being a 'winner' as we all gave him ideas in how to shift casinos, he's still posting here instead of being winning 1000's a day...
Oh well..
Cash,
Sorry! I guess I got all wrong...again.
Insidebet
Quote from: N0vocane on January 27, 2011, 10:21:14 PM
Well it won't take long for the casinos to find out who I am and ban me from all their establishments. So I figure it's more profitable to sell it. Once I start playing it the casinos will know what my system is and they will ban everyone else that uses it too.
Great sales pitch! :sarcastic:
Novocane there you go. It took me 3 hours to develop system like your. Ive attached a graph but only 100 000 spins. I am sorry but when I want to insert a chart in openoffice it wont make graph for 1 million spins. I have slow processor on this pc but I will try to fix it and post a one million graph tonight. This system uses just 3 steeps progression and it make a profit after 1 million spins and 10 million spins as well. I dont think that your system is uniqe.
no. his graph shows max 4000 down, yours 35 000 down
When it comes down to it roulette is still gambling. I would urge you to be more cautious and not allow yourself to be in a position where you are MASSIVELY in the negative and looking to get back in to the positive.
it looks more like a kindergarden now than a roulette discussion....let Novocane be the smartest one, let's agree with him. And let him sell his stuff, make millions within a year, and write a book about it. Whatever u try to tell him -- u r either a crook or retarded. Enough is enough for me.
N0vocane, You're sick you need to see a Doctor.
If you have a system that is working either keep it for yourself or sell it quietly.
Don't post on this board discussing nonsense.You either share your system or get off the board... you loser!!!
We are here to post systems and help each other. Our objective to share knowledge and systems and overcome the obstacles in the Casino games.
Got it!
get off this board stop cluttering your bull....
I'm calling upon the Moderator to remove you from this board as you demonstrated disrespect to the player and treat us as dummies!
jrhelp please be nice. No calling names. :diablo:
Jrhelp pls calm down. Nothing serious happened. No calling names, no mutual blaming, no quarrels. If Novocane believes Bene tries to deceive him let him believe. I won't let discussion go into personal attacks and hostility.
You are free to ignore this thread, bud. I am not willing to participate in discussions either but I will watch the thread.
I'm nice no name.
He is trying to sell to Steve from Australia the system for $500,000.
I just told that joke to a PIT BOSS in a Casino in FOXWOODS and his reply was:
The guy is invited to play at out Casino we are not afraid from him since there are no systems that WIN in the long run on Roulette and/or any other game in the Casino. Otherwise they wouldn't be in business.
The second reaction was: :yahoo:
that's ridiculous. first -- your offer is. I can defeat any wheel when I already know the numbers spun. I can make millions on each of them. Second -- even if u spin a wheel 24/7 taking 1 minute for a spin (which does not happen that often) --in a year there gonna be 525 600 spins.
if u get a working system, go ahead and play. no discussion needed, even no selling needed. You just gonna be a millionaire within a year
you know what....go to nolinks://wizardofodds.com/ (nolinks://wizardofodds.com/)
Casinos are not interested in head games, but this guy is. He offered anyone a bet. That no system can defeat roulette on a long run. You lose -- you pay him, he loses -- he pays you. So he IS interested. Steve is not interested in your system as you see. We are not interested either. Casinos don't give a damn about it.
email Wizard Of Ods, he likes those kinds of bets. But you have to pay if he proves you wrong.
nolinks://wizardofodds.com/gambling/challenge3.html (nolinks://wizardofodds.com/gambling/challenge3.html)
Quote from: N0vocane on January 29, 2011, 09:47:59 PM
First, it's a fake picture. The spin count goes outside the graph (hahahaha) and the blue downtrend line goes into the gray barrier between the spin count and the graph! So it's obviously modified. Also, that graph could be of anything, not roulette. Mine is from Roulette Xtreme. But just to appease you, with using a higher virtual loss count and a no limit martingale I can do even better (only 3,500 down turn) with 100,000 spins same as his.
I can't believe this is what you guys have turned to lol.
Here you go (with roulette xtreme),your took 3 hours mine took 3 minutes:
Fake? Oh man where did you get it from ? The spin count goes outside the graph because of the oppenoffice. Try to do your graph on 100 000 spins in oppenoffice and you will see. It is not a fake graph. It is system that I develop yesterday and code in geany. Genay is program for ubuntu. I am coding just in pascal and I am not using RX 2.0. I could claim the same thing about your graph but I would not do it. I posted this graph just for the others that was thinking about buying your system.They would lose money. I dont think someone would buy system and he need minimum 50 000 units to play it. There are many systems like this one. Progression can beat roulette but you need unlimited amount of units and unlimited limits on roulette tables. Just like martingale.
btw sorry for my english
bene
Stop loss no stop loss. Whatever. Your system has drawdown of 50 000 units. This means it is not playable for me. What amount of spins you play through one day ? 300 spins? 500 spins ? Million spins take you minium of 2000 days playing roulette and thats for 500 spins average per day. You made profit of 244 000 units. Thats just 4x more than your starting bankroll of 50 000 units.
Quote from: N0vocane on January 30, 2011, 10:17:10 AM
First I started with around 20,000 units not 50,000. Playing lower limits than increasing over time is completely reasonable if you cant afford to play the system with $1 units. You can play 1cent or 10cent/p online until you meet bankroll requirements. There has never been another system that is casino playable that has shown a profit of +1 unit over 1 million spins that I have ever seen. Show me where all of these playable systems are
Thats simply is not true. You only think so. In your firs graph posted here on page 1, your system is in negative over 400k spins. So it showed us that is very posible to be in negative again, because its gambling and based on random game. No matter is it in negatove over 100 or 100k or 1m system is NOT always in profit.
If you show us system what is ALWAYS in profit in numerus sesions that is all other story.
@edit
Do you think that you find HG? Answer to this must be YES based on all what you have said.
Answer to question please regarding HG?
And if you think its "only" -4000 thats to you maybe, you are rich man. Its in NEGATIVE, if you exit or baned from casino at that point you are in negative of 4000 !!!!
HG is holy grail.
Please post more graph 10k spins is enough (not only 1 graph) if you have the time.
Anyway, who's going to pay the half million and who's not?
Please post your answers.
Mine answer is 'NO' cos I have been simply playing "track the last 17 and bet them to repeat again with mild progression" and I have been doing well as well as some friends of mine. Actually two of us at Palm Beach have already doubled our bankroll. And that's still again, a shitty simple system, take any other good method here (eg. Lanky's Divisor) and put it on to improvement and tweaks and you will see how much money you can make without having to buying anything.
CashGrowth.
You realy think that is enough - 3M spins graph? Why do not you test little more?
10 or even 20 sesions? You tested only 3.
So please test little more, even with this problem what you did not coded in system.
@edit
Do not take me wrong, I think your graph seem preaty nice, I would be excited like you, but test this little more.
Also your phrase of starting bankroll of 2000 being down 4000 does not mean negative profit show it all. It does not mean anything is your start is 0, 100 or 2000, negative is negative.
Man.., why dont he want 10 billion? That makes no sense to me, but what I know..
Will he provide spins, or will be generated on random.org or something like that?
So this system uses a progression, right?
In all your tests, what has been the highest stake you needed?
GogoCro I think there is nothing wrong with being negative in any system. It doesn't mean that it can't be winning system in long term. There is no and never be any system that never be negative in any spin because in the single spin you can't place bets in any way that gurantee that you win I think it is obvious so if the system is negative in the beginning it means nothing it doesn't mean that it can be a winner in long term. Another words if you search the system that always wins from the first spin you will never find unless you have time machine.
Here is graph of 100k spins, has no progresions.
Gogo Cro,
How did you get apositive result after 100k spins? I mean what system was used? Is this sytem RX coded? Can we get the code?
Insider
GogoCro nice one. I dont wanna system but i just wanna know if it was betting on every spin ?
Its my system, flat beting, after win stop 20 spins. All its adjustable.
Looking for some clever divisor.
Same 100k graph 2 added 200k more spins.
I have code sys in rx.
Quote from: N0vocane on January 30, 2011, 09:01:25 PM
Gogo what software are you using? The recovery and downtrends look too quick to be flatbetting but if you placed a bet every spin then it's posbbile but you say your waiting 20 spins? Or you waiting 20 spins after a win? How many bets are being placed per spin?
It looks good
Thanks :)
RX 2,0 older 2,3,4,0 version.
3 unit by bet and after win wait is 10 spin. I get confused when I try to find best option. I must adjust best settings and for best result.
Maybe you can help me, I mean all of you.
Quote from: pablos on January 30, 2011, 02:42:32 PM
GogoCro I think there is nothing wrong with being negative in any system. It doesn't mean that it can't be winning system in long term. There is no and never be any system that never be negative in any spin because in the single spin you can't place bets in any way that gurantee that you win I think it is obvious so if the system is negative in the beginning it means nothing it doesn't mean that it can be a winner in long term. Another words if you search the system that always wins from the first spin you will never find unless you have time machine.
Graph show negative 4000 around 200k spins, its not on begining. But no matter, I would be excited and sutisfied with novocaine system. Very nice.
If you need help with code I will try to help you. (Dont worry, I do not want system, just questions)
Novocaine, sorry to intrude your thread with some of my issues..
Anyway, I would like to you all give me your opinion of something in this graph.
If you divide graph on half, around 150k spin, and when compare these two, its look very similar in uptrend and downtrend, like is some kind of pattern. What you think about it?
*********** Two minds are better than one.*******************
Not always, depends on the minds! I was a very intelligent guy until I met my best friend. I spend too much time with him and now as a result I am as dumb as him!
I look forward to your new thread but I just hope it doesn't turn in to big arguments like this post and that there is genuine creativity and steps taken forwards, not backwards or sideways.
Did you allready try my HG.After all my challenges nobody have the courage to test my HG over more than 1M spins.
What is your HG?
This afternoon John Gold played Roulette in real time on this chat room for about 4 hours.
I encourage you to demonstrate your system in real time to - no need for 1,000,000 wins just 5 hours of wins should do the job.
Let us know when you wish to do the live demonstration and I know I will be here. Here is all you have to do:
1) Let us know when you want to do it
2) Use the "Chat" button above and we can all meet
3) everyone brings up nolinks://nolinks.smartlivecasino.com (nolinks://nolinks.smartlivecasino.com) in another window and we all watch while you place your bets in real time
I can't wait.....
Quote from: N0vocane on February 01, 2011, 02:48:44 AM
You can try for yourself because I basically posted my system today. I didn't post everything, but I let out the main concepts. If you want you can test it right now. - nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/n0vocanes-holy-grail-true-working-system/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/n0vocanes-holy-grail-true-working-system/)
Also, I'm not playing my full system for the whole world to see what bets I make. My complete system is still private, though eventually with the concepts I laid out someone will make something better than mine and will render it useless. But when that happens we will all benefit anyways so it makes no difference to me.
That's the problem with all these super secret win a billion dollar gambling systems - there's always a reason to never demonstrate them in real time.
I'll look at your system but I still encourage you to play in real time for us - spend 5 hours doing this and you will have the attention of everyone on this planet that plays Roulette.
If we can figure it out then it won't last long with all those "eyes in the sky" at the casino or on the Internet where every session is captured for review later.
Just a suggestion...
Quote from: N0vocane on February 01, 2011, 03:08:08 AM
How about this, capture 5 hours worth of spins. Put them into a text document and I'll run a standard system - betting on one dozen(1) to the uptrend, double opposite dozen(2,3) to the downtrend following trigger lines as a laid out in my post/system. If you don't understand this, read the post. Then I will export all the spins and bets made for you to see. It's not my full system but it will work because I'm using the same principals.
No, I don't want to get involved proving/disproving anyone's system - that's not my job.
If you want to make a claim you have to prove it or it's not a claim. Just set up a time this weekend and we will be here and you can do this - I can capture the screen output for playback later - I have the tools to do that; show the live wheel and your bets - it can be made into a Webinar if you wish.
But this is your decision - boast or demonstrate......
Quote from: N0vocane on February 01, 2011, 03:16:56 AM
I just said I would. Just post 5 hours worth of spins for me. I'll play the first dozen to the top, 2,3 dozen to the down. I'm not going to sit online for 5 hours, I already know this works. If you give me the spins it won't be any different. Deal?
I will also export all spins and bets to a .txt file, plus the graph explaining every bet.
Well, I can create a 100% system that works on old Roulette numbers too - I don't think that's much of a challenge.
You can use my DJIA Roulette wheel - It generates great Roulette numbers:
Simply go here nolinks://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s= (nolinks://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=)^DJI+Historical+Prices and get as many numbers as you want - use the Close. Download into an Excel spreadsheet.
Multiply the close by 100 and then divide by 37 with the remainder being the random number between 0 and 36.
The formula is =MOD(B2*100,37) where B2 is the close column
Should take you just 5 minutes and you have the data yourself and don't have to worry about me tampering with it.
If I supply the numbers I could tamper with them - this way you get thousands of spins and all the numbers can be verified by all parties.
Insidebet:You can find my suggestion for a HG in Normal Topic "can a strategy combined with a system be a HG".
MauiSunset : I offer live demonstration for everyone.I have done it with MIKOGO.I can give a inlogcode to the participants and they can watch me playing on a RNG.Mostly I play 30 -60 minutes. I play very fast about 150 spins in a hour and I use all outside bets and the streets.
The other possibility is a live demonstration with explanation on SKYPE.That is limited to one person.An other problem is how to plan a suitable time concerning the different timezones
Hi n0vocane,
As an example test could you run your system thru RX for downloaded spins at Wespiel Casino Duisburg for 31/01/11 - table 0209 (441 spins) - abt 7hrs 20min.
Would be interesting to see the outcome and your win/loss result + profit!
Cheers,
A.
Ok, if you go here nolinks://nolinks.smartlivecasino.com/live-roulette.html# (nolinks://nolinks.smartlivecasino.com/live-roulette.html#) and select a live roulette window you can then click on one of the 3 live Roulette tables then click "Free Play". You will then see the live table and then you can select "stats" where you can then select "Last 185" and that's what I did this morning and here they are for the automated table: (sorry for the fuzziness - I blew up the picture)
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Froulettestrategytowin.com%2Fphotos%2F185.jpg&hash=3ba6784ac7c45e113627ab4f7be0c36aaa999a30)
Here a table of 15 sessions of 150 spins SSB for LOW/HIGH
Every session gives a profit of about 65 units.
Sorry mate but the system you play is gay :-X
High point on the graph 56,000 then it drops all the way down to 6,000 that means if you started at the 56,000 point you would have lost 50,000 whats the bank needed on this pile of crap?
BIG claims
please if you reply mention the participent.Some replies I cannot understand .It will clear the discussion.
This is nort exactly the forum for experienced roulette players to spend their time on.They know otherwise how to win at roulette.
Wishing all of you the best.
FAREWELL.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Nathan, DON'T GO! I like reading your words of wisdom. Yes a lot of people post silly comments but you help bring some sense to my train of thought whilst I hear a lot of nonsense swirl around me!
Colin
Quote from: col1879 on February 03, 2011, 01:30:41 PM
Nathan, DON'T GO! I like reading your words of wisdom. Yes a lot of people post silly comments but you help bring some sense to my train of thought whilst I hear a lot of nonsense swirl around me!
Colin
+1
Lucky Strike,Twocatsam,Lankly,Victor .......and now you?
:'(
Regards
Max
I think this is not right thread Nathan for your leaving announcement, but goodbye and good luck.
Gogo
@edit
Even I can respect anybody opinions (especialy with valid arguments) I think that you should speak in your name and not in plurality. Expirence does not mean that you win from roulette. IMO.
The HUGE problem with this methodology is not only do you have to find a system that kind of works you then must play stock analyst - both are a loser and combining them is a colossal failure.
Let's say we make the case for ONLY betting on Black - only Black.
Over a night of Roulette you will be wiped out - the Green 0 will take your bets and there will be many times when you will see all red on the Marque and you must continue to bet Black.
Now you must plot your "theoretical bankroll" and pick isolated highs and lows that are "significant" and draw horizontal lines and when the "theoretical bankroll" breaks through to the upside you start betting and when the "theoretical bankroll" breaks down through a horizontal line you stop betting.
I just can't wait for the pit boss to come over and ask you what the heck you are doing.
Now betting just Black all night is something that is so hard to do that folks will want to use a system that kind of works and breaking through those horizontal lines is going to be VERY tough to do.
Conclusion: this is a system that makes perfect sense in hindsight but in real time is something that no one can ever use.
That's just my view of this - real time trading would easily point out if I'm right or wrong......
Maui, if you played black you would be making virtual bets. I only place bets on every hand in my graphs so it will plot the lines for you. In real life you can make a graph without placing bets every hand. So if a run of reds comes up it won't make a difference, nor will 0's. So this whole time you have been commenting on how bad my system is and you don't even know how to play it properly haha. Who would be stupid enough to place bets on black every hand. From now on please understand the subjects you are going to comment on before writing.
Quote from: N0vocane on February 03, 2011, 07:33:47 PM
Maui, if you played black you would be making virtual bets. I only place bets on every hand in my graphs so it will plot the lines for you. In real life you can make a graph without placing bets every hand. So if a run of reds comes up it won't make a difference, nor will 0's. So this whole time you have been commenting on how bad my system is and you don't even know how to play it properly haha. Who would be stupid enough to place bets on black every hand. From now on please understand the subjects you are going to comment on before writing.
I just used that as an example - and maybe I don't understand what you saying. Let me recap what I believe all this is about:
1) Some kind of system is used to place bets - no actual bet takes place but virtual bets
2) The total of the bankroll is plotted
3) A stock-like chart is the result with isolated highs and lows used to mark horizontal lines - these isolated points are 100% subjective
4) when the bankroll total breaks through a horizontal line to the upside actual betting takes place and when the bankroll total breaks downward through a horizontal line (from an isolated low) actual betting stops
Is this correct? If not what are you saying?
No, I think bets are only reversed on previus h/l.