They are many bright minds working together on this forum (at least I don't feel alone) and I felt that I should contribute also to this great team.
Long time ago I tested a system called Ludomeccanica from author Diodoro with mixed results. Recently friend of my sent me the version again and because nothing happens without reason I took a deeper look at the system. The author writes that Jesuits created the infernal machine which gave 666 (the sign of devil). He didn't see far enough that Jesuit's order self is 666. You cannot beat devil with devil. He thought that he decoded the wheel but I lost more than won with his decoded combination.
I modified the system by cutting the 666 on the head in half and got 333. I made two columns of the European roulette by cutting it in the middle over the zero (zero out) and got column A and column B.
column A/ 1-3-5-7-9-12-14-16-18-20-22-24-26-28-29-31-33-35
column B/ 2-4-6-8-10-11-13-15-17-19-21-23-25-27-30-32-34-36
Now, the author recommends to mark 18 spins for Euro roulette and 24 spins for US roulette. I don't recommend to play it on US roulette. On Euro roulette my recommendation is to mark down 24 spins before play. You get less #s to bet.
That's important: Bet always the column where more numbers came but bet the numbers which didn't come yet! E.g. A-10, B-7, bet missing numbers from column A. If both columns (A-9,B-9) are even you can bet both but if you are cautious don't bet any. Make a new 24 spins chart. My experience is that sometimes you win both and sometimes one and lose the other one. Why take a chance of losing. The decision is yours. If zero comes during marking down disregard it. Doesn't count.
The author recommends progression but I found out that your number comes up in less than 5 spins in 95% of the time (mostly between 1st and 3rd spin). Therefore, progression is not needed just flat betting up to 5th spin. If lost mark the next 24 spins and bet again. You will win 9 of 10 sessions most of the time. I can put the authors progression if somebody will request.
The winnings highly override the losses.
The author made version 2 which I don't like because you have to bet between 12 and 15 numbers and he recommends progression! Too many #s to bet. He would bet the column which has less numbers canceled. Not a good idea. Too many Jesuits together.
Cheers Hermes
Hi, not sure i get it can you give a example please?
thanks
Hi hermes , just tried your system and got a hit on the first spin. I had 9 unhit numbers on column A which had hit 15 times. Column B had hit only 9 times. Nice system thanks.......... No 33 came in first spin... :)
Hi Hermes,
I've just tested the system for 94 spins at DB at it looks good!
I've play countinually instead of recharge after 24 spins.
In few words I play for the numbers not show in the dominant section (A/B).
Waiting for few numbers is a little boring, but profitable.
Maybe is better play recharging evry 24 spins.
What do you think?
Ice
Ps it would be nice if someone could rx code the system.
hermes
I'd like to put this point blank: Do you feel this system will produce profits over a period of time?
Sam
Hi TCS, it won´t.
because it is just a version of the game of monks or enigmista or some of the other "esoterical-numbers-games"
I tested it a long time ago it made his way to losses as any other esoterical numberselection. sorry I didn´t keep the records. but it is like Herb always tells: If betselction is based on If numbers appeared/not appeared...then play numbers that appeared/not appeared.... it will hit the average in statistics of the numbers played. In short it will end in -2,7/-5,4%.
The only one that worked quite well was the Kabballa-system.
br
winkel
Hi winkel,
even if there's a esoterical introduction (in which I don't belive too), maybe there's some logic in the system.
Play it countinually allows to follow the patterns trends with thems sleepers...
I don't maybe It worth a long term test..
Regards
Ice
I am going to quote hermes in blue:
The winnings highly override the losses.
To me this means this thing has been put to the test, else how could he make such a statement?
hermes?
TwoCat
Hi Winkel,
The only one that worked quite well was the Kabballa-system.
br
winkel
How´s the kabballa-system mate???
Can you explain it?
Cheers,
JLP.-
Hi guys I like the discussion around the system. Winkel tested the old version and I agree with him I lost more than won on that system that's why I abandoned it. But I modified it and that's the difference. Winkel has to start test from the beginning if he want to get the truth. What's wrong with esoterica?
Guys are you afraid of it because it is spiritual matter? Don't be worry your soul is an old esoteric professor and she/he understand everything what's metaphysical. Metaphysics is the world of your soul. Don't be scared of yourself. You are the soul not the body.
Sam I tested the modified version on around 500 real wheel spins only because no time left for ice cream. I lost 2 sessions that's 65 units at $1 and won 374 units. I don't know if it is enough?
If you want to try it for real money bet 0.50 cents or maximum $1 per number but only on real wheels and with one zero. You have nothing to lose only get more experience and win almost for sure. How it performs in long term? Only Jesuits know, ask them.
The skip of the charting 24 spins before bets must be tested before known if it is advantage or disadvantage. I didn't skip anything I am patient and careful when I gamble.
Have a fun
Hermes
Hi Hermes,
thank you for replay, I'll try to not skip the 24 spins and test more.
Ice
ps. there is a great difference from esoterica/metaphysical to spiritual or religious, but that's another story...
;) Thanx for the post Hermes.
I liked the look of this the moment I read it. I will also test and post results.
Thanx for sharing.
Jakk
Quote from: winkel on August 31, 2008, 04:18:37 PM
Hi TCS, it won´t.
because it is just a version of the game of monks or enigmista or some of the other "esoterical-numbers-games"
I tested it a long time ago it made his way to losses as any other esoterical numberselection. sorry I didn´t keep the records. but it is like Herb always tells: If betselction is based on If numbers appeared/not appeared...then play numbers that appeared/not appeared.... it will hit the average in statistics of the numbers played. In short it will end in -2,7/-5,4%.
The only one that worked quite well was the Kabballa-system.
br
winkel
Sorry if I get you wrong winkle, but you always bet a number that has appeared / not appeared. Else you wouldn't be playing Roulette.
hermes
Thank you for that answer.
I would love to see test results. I am testing three systems and have two on the menu for testing next, but I'd test it if I could.
Sam
Hi, Hermes,
Quotecolumn A/ 1-3-5-7-9-12-14-16-18-20-22-24-26-28-29-31-33-35
column B/ 2-4-6-8-10-11-13-15-17-19-21-23-25-27-30-32-34-36
Now, the author recommends to mark 18 spins for Euro roulette and 24 spins for US roulette. I don't recommend to play it on US roulette. On Euro roulette my recommendation is to mark down 24 spins before play. You get less #s to bet.
I this the modified version?(
QuoteI tested the modified version on around 500 real wheel spins only because no time left for ice cream. I lost 2 sessions that's 65 units at $1 and won 374 units. I don't know if it is enough?
)
Best regards
kawa4711
iceberg there is a difference between spiritual and religious. Spirituality and religion are 2 poles of the duality. You cannot be spiritual and religious at the same time. They are contraries. You have to decide if you want to be spiritual and go with the divine or you want to be religious and go with the ship crowd. Religions are human inventions. You (the soul) are spiritual that's for sure. Until we contact ourselves we are mostly religious. After we touch the soul we are ashamed that we were once religious. As the Buddha said we are here for realization (enlightenment) what means the union with the Whole where we belong.
kawa that columns are my creation, the author has different column formation (anti-Jesuits one).
Sorry Sam the winnings and 2 losses came from 734 spins. I have it in two notice books and I didn't included the smaller one. Anyway, I am happy with the results. With the progressions it would be probably more solid but huge bankroll would be needed. The author claims that he didn't went behind 11th progression step. I don't know what would say 1 million spins test?! But system which wins more than loses is a keeper.
Hermes
Quote from: hermes on September 01, 2008, 06:06:51 PM
You (the soul) are spiritual that's for sure.
said another way...We Are Spiritual Beings Having A Physical Experience ???
Hermes,
if Jesus is a human invention I'll go with the ship crowd...
Ice
iceberg you are melting. Probably global worming. You don't have to because you are already with the ship crowd for long time even not knowing that. No offense but only open mind could save the planet from religious and political dogmatism. Yes, Jesus is the same invention as telephone by Bell. Both are used up today. Buddha was human being why not Jesus?
KFC you couldn't explain it better. That's what we are.
Back to gambling
Hermes
Hermes,
I see you have the Absolute Truth, so, yes, back to gambling.
Ice
??? Ok priests,higher priests, ghosts, Spirits (Not whisky kind) and all other beings...........hehehehehehhehehe, don't forget aliens who realy put us here on earth lolol.
I have tested a bit with some old spins from the local casino here.
One question for Hermes. Once I have jotted down 24 spins devided in their respective two groups. And I have my selected numbers to play. For how many spins do I play them? 12 spins? In the couple of tests I did I went quite a bit further before stopping still with good results. How many spins do you play though after selecting your numbers?
I must tell you though that so far it's looking damn good!
Jakk
Hi,
Has anybody tried an "ongoing" 24 count, that is, dropping the last nr and including the newest nr.?
regards,
metalrat
Hermes
Thanks for your interesting system.I have read through a couple of times and everything seems clear except the tally for column A or B when repeater occurs when you run the first 24 spins. Say during the first 24 spins column A has 15 strikes of which 5 numbers repeat once. Do count column A as 15 or 10 ?
Thanks & Rgds
Pretty sure u count them as legitimate spins (the repeats).
Only thing you do not count is the 0
So pretty much your two columns must add up to 24 spins, right Hermes?
Cheers
Jakk
Just wondering what bankroll you recommend for playing 1 £ chips hermes.
I did some tests on the original ludomecanica system sometime ago.
I did a search within my files and found the RX code I wrote then.
I have no spare time at the moment to run tests again.
I seem to recall it was a loser.
Any way here goes the code.
system "Moch ludomeccanica v1"
{
*************************************
* Roulette Extreme Code
* by Moch
*************************************
}
method "main" begin
// start up
while starting new session begin
Clear all records
call "Init"
call "WheelType"
exit
end
// Bankroll
if bankroll > record"HighBankroll"data begin
put 100% bankroll record"HighBankroll"data
end
// act on a loss
if net < 0 begin
end
// act on a win
if net > 0 begin
clear record"BetLayout" layout
set flag "qualified" false
end
// count spins
add 1 record"Spins"data
if record "Spins" data = 37 begin
call "Reset"
set flag "qualified" false
exit
end
copy last number record"LastN"layout
if record"LastN"layout found in record"A"layout begin
put 1 record"A"layout index
loop until record"A"layout index > record"A"layout count begin
if record"A"layout = record"LastN"layout begin
put 100% record"A"layout index record"A1"data index
if record"A1"data = 0 begin
put 1 record"A1"data
add 1 record"CountA"data
end
set max record"A"layout index
end
add 1 record"A"layout index
end
end
if record"LastN"layout found in record"B"layout begin
put 1 record"B"layout index
loop until record"B"layout index > record"B"layout count begin
if record"B"layout = record"LastN"layout begin
put 100% record"B"layout index record"B1"data index
if record"B1"data = 0 begin
put 1 record"B1"data
add 1 record"CountB"data
end
set max record"B"layout index
end
add 1 record"B"layout index
end
end
// act when not qualified
if flag "qualified" false begin
if record"Spins"data = 25 begin
// Safety conditions
if record"CountA"data = record"CountB"data
or record"CountA"data > 13 or record"CountB"data > 13begin
call "Reset"
exit
end
put 100% record"CountA"data record"Temp"data
subtract 100% record"CountB"data record"Temp"data
if record"Temp"data = 1 or record"Temp"data = -1 begin
call "Reset"
exit
end
// END Safety conditions
put 1 record"A1"data index
put 1 record"BetLayout"layout index
loop until record"A1"data index > record"A1"data count begin
if record"A1"data = 0 begin
put 100% record"A1"data index record"A"layout index
if record"CountA"data > record"CountB"data begin
copy record"A"layout record"BetLayout"layout
add 1 record"BetLayout"layout index
end
copy record"A"layout record"Display A"layout
add 1 record"Display A"layout index
end
add 1 record"A1"data index
end
put 1 record"B1"data index
put 1 record"BetLayout"layout index
loop until record"B1"data index > record"B1"data count begin
if record"B1"data = 0 begin
put 100% record"B1"data index record"B"layout index
if record"CountB"data > record"CountA"data begin
copy record"B"layout record"BetLayout"layout
add 1 record"BetLayout"layout index
end
copy record"B"layout record"Display B"layout
add 1 record"Display B"layout index
end
add 1 record"B1"data index
end
end
set flag "qualified" true
end
// act when qualified
if flag "qualified" true begin
call "CalculateNextBet"
put 100% record"Progression"data record"BetLayout"layout list
set flag "qualified" false
end
end
// Methods
method "Init" begin
copy list [00,1,2,4,5,9,14,15,16,17,19,20,21,24,25,31,32,33,34] record"A"layout
copy list [0,3,6,7,8,10,11,12,13,18,22,23,26,27,28,29,30,35,36] record"B"layout
set list [0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0] record"A1"data
set list [0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0] record"B1"data
// defaults
put 0 record"Spins"data
call "Reset"
// Input
group begin
display "System ..."
display "by ..."
input dropdown " Wheel Type ?
1:= Single Zero
2:= Double Zero " record"Wheel"data
end
// flags
set flag "qualified" false
// assign
put 100% bankroll record"HighBankroll"data
put 100% bankroll record"LowBankroll"data
end
method "CalculateNextBet" begin
put 0 record"Progression"data
put 0 record"Balance"data
put 100% record"BetLayout"layout index record"Units"data
loop until record"Balance"data > record"HighBankroll"data begin
add 1 record"Progression"data
duplicate record"Progression" record"Balance"
put 36 record"Payoff"data
subtract 100% record"Units"data record"Payoff"data
multiply 100% record"Payoff"data record"Balance"data
add 100% bankroll record"Balance"data
end
end
method "Reset" begin
put 0 record"Spins"data
clear record"CountA"data
clear record"CountB"data
clear record"BetLayout"layout
clear record"Display A"layout
clear record"Display B"layout
set list [0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0] record"A1"data
set list [0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0] record"B1"data
end
method "WheelType" begin
if record"Wheel"data=1 begin
Load Single Wheel
end
else begin
Load Double Wheel
end
end
Quote from: JLP on September 01, 2008, 12:34:04 AM
Hi Winkel,
The only one that worked quite well was the Kabballa-system.
br
winkel
How´s the kabballa-system mate???
Can you explain it?
Cheers,
JLP.-
for that my English is not good enough.
sorry
br
winkel
Hi guys, who wants to play with the progressions go to: nolinks.freeadultstuff.us/gamble/302systems/302%20Systems%20FREE.htm (nolinks://nolinks.freeadultstuff.us/gamble/302systems/302%20Systems%20FREE.htm) and go to MYSYSTEM1.pdf & MYSYSTEM2.pdf.
Moch, yes, I got negative results with the Ludomeccanica too. Therefore, I modified it and it is now happy Jesuit. You would have to change your columns because you have an old numbers in it.
Jacky, go for 5 flat bets and if you lose them once in the blue moon reset to beginning. You win many others. I lost some when they were even e.g. A10 & B10. You win one and lose one but if you are lucky you win both. With progression I would go for both, with flat bets no.
The ongoing or liquid 24 could work but I didn't tested it . Somebody should test it. It is worth it.
Sniper, you mark the repeating numbers in the 24 spins only once. You make a cross next to the number that's what counts. It doesn't matter how many more of the same came afterward. Ruffly, $1/# flat bets needs $500 bankroll, to be sure.
iceberg don't worry I am far away from absolute (vodka). Ice cube I need you in the vodka. Just an Avatar serving human body.
The progressions give more security to win almost all but loss can be painful.
The MYSYSTEM2 (bet the winners) is bad one because you would have to bet huge amount of numbers what needs even bigger bankroll.
Cheers Hermes
Now available in the download area.
System 333 Player v0.2.
More info in my "Common Sense" department.
Thanks for the help bjb007. We can use it in seeking for the holy grail. Did you check it if everything is OK? Kingspin was complaining that he has a lot of losings sessions with the software and before we got only positive response from him. No RNGs guys, and double zero could be a problem too. If you get 0,00,00 during betting flat you could flat your bankroll!
Hermes
I will say one thing........
While betting, I counted the bets until win. Sometimes at bet 4 a win would occur and the software would say won a 7 or some such. Saw it several times.
Seemed to win a lot.
Sam
Right sam, bjb007 did it his way. Holy stubbornness.
He likes the example: Line A 9 #s canceled, line B 11 #s canceled, the good line is the A line, what is BS. The good line is the line B. Play always the line where are more numbers crossed but bet the uncross sleepers in that line not the crossed one! That's the right tactic. Read the bold sentence again. No wonder people are losing. The line which comes more often in 24 spins will come more often during the next spins also. It is application of 2/3 and 1/3 law, and a few drunk Jesuits.
Hermes
So the software is wrong and we should not use it?
Quote from: hermes on September 04, 2008, 08:03:40 PM
Right sam, bjb007 did it his way. Holy stubbornness.
He likes the example: Line A 9 #s canceled, line B 11 #s canceled, the good line is the A line, what is BS. The good line is the line B. Play always the line where are more numbers crossed but bet the uncross sleepers in that line not the crossed one! That's the right tactic. Read the bold sentence again. No wonder people are losing. The line which comes more often in 24 spins will come more often during the next spins also. It is application of 2/3 and 1/3 law, and a few drunk Jesuits.
Hermes
Not sure I get this. If I load 24 numbers the color of the
buttons of the unhit numbers are hilited.
Is that wrong? Or are you saying that when Group A is indicated
it should be Group B?
That's not what matters. If group A has 11 hits in 24 spins and the group B 9 hits it should recommend to bet on the unhited numbers of the group A (not the crossed one).
Hermes
hermes
If I understand it, you chart 24 numbers and look at the "side" that's been hit the most. Now toss the other side out. Now bet the numbers on the side you have left which have not been hit.
That's the way I'm understanding it.
Sam
i understand the system the same way its in software i tryed on paper and on software and it give me same numbers to bet
here a db permanence 7 - 35 - 21 - 33 - 34 - 4 - 13 - 28 - 21 - 13 - 19 - 19 -11 - 10 - 2 - 24 - 35 - 11 - 31 - 9 - 12 - 23 - 21 - 32
we bet 6 - 8 - 15 - 17 - 25 - 27 - 30 - 36
since group b hit 15 times and this are the numbers of the group that didnt show up
i understant this this way
can you correct this hermes please
Common sense says to bet on the numbers of
the group with fewer hits...
And from some testing it looks as though it
will produce better results. Will test further.
On a small test of WB spins and
total hits to a group at the time
of starting the bet....
A wins when less than B --- 47
A wins when more than B ---39
B wins when less than A.......66
B wins when more than A......32
The % of "smaller than" wins was 64% after 117 wins
but dropped to 60% after 179 wins.
I expect it would continue to fall given enough
test spins.
Benfica, wrong. The group A has a 10 hits and the group B has an 8 hits therefore we bet the unhit numbers from the group A and they are:1-5-4-15-16-17-20-25 = 8 unhit Jesuits from the group A.
Sam you confused me completely. Study Benfica example thoroughly. It is homework.
bjb007 I don't see any common sense in your reasoning. Common stubbornness, yes.
Hermes
OK, hermes, is this right.......?
We have sides A and B. A has the most hits after 24 spins. For the moment we disregard B as we are only interested in A. Looking at the A numbers only, we bet those who have not been hit.
Is that it?
If not, I'm lost.
Sam
now im realy lost here hermes say to bet on 4 but 4 has already hit on the 24 numbers permanence and he says to bet this numbers from group A but this dont match with the groups that are posted
1 A
5 A
4 B
15 B
16 A
17 B
20 A
25 B
Quote from: benfica on September 05, 2008, 05:43:04 PM
i understand the system the same way its in software I tryed on paper and on software and it give me same numbers to bet
here a db permanence 7 - 35 - 21 - 33 - 34 - 4 - 13 - 28 - 21 - 13 - 19 - 19 -11 - 10 - 2 - 24 - 35 - 11 - 31 - 9 - 12 - 23 - 21 - 32
we bet 6 - 8 - 15 - 17 - 25 - 27 - 30 - 36
since group b hit 15 times and this are the numbers of the group that didnt show up
i understant this this way
can you correct this hermes please
I concur with your results , thats the numbers I would play according to how hermes states things. Now for some more testing. I actually played this system for real money starting with a £200 bankroll for £1 chips. Bankroll too small I know so don't tell me off for it, should have been double that . I did 4 sessions 1 hour apart , I need a rest between sessions with this system ;D . I made about £45 profit over the first three sessions :) - so far so good. On my fourth session I had a set of five numbers to bet ,so as usual I started and betted with confidence.
I hit a stubborn session on this fourth session :( and the set of 5 numbers missed god knows how many times but the profit I had made from the previous sessions soon went , I was on a draw down at this point I had 2 options either use progression or quit , I decided to quit as I had a feeling the number set was going to miss a lot more. My personal opinion of this system is that in actual play the game can go good with hits coming within 5 spins or less depending on how many numbers are betted -other times your numbers miss for what seems like ages with progression the only way out. My 5 number selection missed at least 12 times. The 333 system can it seems go bad on you with some progression needed to make a profit at times. Play it just flat bets and I would loose patience I am sure. I am going to test it some more in fun chip mode to get a feel for it. I got a gut feeling this system is risky. Story end well - My session finished up about +£130 profit as I placed a £5 bet on number 5 and it hit so I went away happy and with draw the winnings. It would be nice if some one could post some results about this system. It's a bit of a time consumer testing in real play situations as I don't use betting history charts as they don't give you the gut feeling about a system in my opinion. I will do a few fun chip sessions again today and post the results in a day or 2. I think it is worth testing.
Sorry benfica, the two old fellow screwed me up and I screwed you up, it's called chain reaction. I have the old Diodoro columns next to my for comparison and I put your numbers into his columns. With Diodoro columns you would bet that what I proposal but with my revision and with my formation of the columns you would have to bet 6-8-15-17-25-30-36 because column A had 8 hits and column B 11 hits. You bet the unhit numbers from the column B.
Everything what happens happens for reason, and everything what happens benefits us completely. That's common sense. Everything what happens has a common sense in it, otherwise it would not happen. People who suffer on the spiritual malabsorption disease (it is epidemics!) would say "but it suppose to be like that" what's wrong. Only that suppose to be what already happened.
Again, sorry for confusing too many readers, but it suppose to be like that, therefore I am happy.
I apologize to kingspin because I forget to mention that you don't bet less than 6 numbers and if you are cautious minimum numbers would be 7 to bet - not less. I think that Diodoro mentioned minimum 6? We have to keep greed in jail when we gamble.
The system is not infallible but if you keep the few rules you will win 8 or 9 of 10.
Don't go to gamble with bad gut feelings. That's like going to gamble with affirmation that you will 100% lose. What we are afraid of will catch us sooner or later. Go gamble only if you have a positive attitude. Gambling is matter of the mind and positive attitude protects us from losing a session. I experienced it too many times. One example: I had a bad feeling and was losing left and right than I realized that my attitude is the reason for losing and changed my attitude. I recovered all losses and went home as a winner. Very important is to be in good mood when you are playing craps. When I was stressed out I always lost. When I was stressed out I hammered the 7 outs on me. Murphy's law works only if you are in bad mood and chasing losses. Good mood is better protection against Murphy than prayer. The whole gambling is matter of the mind. Your mind decide if you win or lose. Take control over your mind (Jose Silva Mind Control), get on Alpha Level during playing and everything will change to your benefits. You can even see numbers coming. When I am at alpha during playing craps I get gut warning to take the bets down and in 90% of time I am right. Next 7 outs and everybody is looking at me like I am Buddha, but I am not, I just employ the subconscious mind to work for me.
Hermes
when you win, do you keep playing the same unhit numbers or do you count back a new 24 to find the new group?
thanks
cd
CD, never the same numbers after hit, especially not if you bet flat. Take the last 12 numbers and fill it to 24 spins again or collect new 24 (that's the most secure one).
Hermes
Thanks! ;)
Hi Hermes,mate.
I was analizing latelly this system you posted from Ludomeccanica.
You say:
I modified the system by cutting the 666 on the head in half and got 333. I made two columns of the European roulette by cutting it in the middle over the zero (zero out) and got column A and column B.
column A/ 1-3-5-7-9-12-14-16-18-20-22-24-26-28-29-31-33-35
column B/ 2-4-6-8-10-11-13-15-17-19-21-23-25-27-30-32-34-36
You cut the wheel by a vertical line in 2 opposite sides like in the first image for the single zero wheel (Lines A and B).
But in the original the author takes for the same single zero wheel the lines A and B being opposite in the wheel but dividing the wheel in 4 parts and taking 2 sectors line A opposites and also the same for the numbers of line B as with the second image attached.
Which one of the 2 arrangements give the best results??
Cheers,
JLP.-
Hi mate,
Long time no see. I didn't tested the bottom option at all but it is interesting take too. Do you have some results with that one?
Hermes
Quote from: hermes on November 09, 2008, 08:59:18 PM
Hi mate,
Long time no see. I didn't tested the bottom option at all but it is interesting take too. Do you have some results with that one?
Hermes
Hi mate,
How things going??
I have done some tests (that is 25 tests x 36 spins = 900 spins) and look good but with progression.
But the second one is the original one from the author that is showed in the ebook.
But you say that you lost with the original.
Well, maybe is pure luck that tests.
But the author uses the 4 sectors in opposite form.
Or maybe it works in both forms.
Cheers,
JLP.-
i had sucess too....+64 units in 5 bets (3 sessions).....its freeking when theres only 8 numbers covered and you win on the first try....i was playing with 1$ units :'(
I'd like to have some feedback from people whos playing this one
thanks
i'll keep posting my results
I used to play v333, but on more than a few occasions i had long long stetches where numbers did not hit , so gave up on it, you have to play progression to make it worth while too. It's not one i would play but then i only telling you my own opinion , others may have better luck with it. No one has actually tested it yet so maybe someone could post some results, i asked before for some one to test it but no one came forward...
Yes, sometimes we are lucky and get good numbers and win, and sometimes not. With the original progression from the system 666 I wouldn't lose any session with the version 333, but JLP tested the version 666 (original) and got a good results also. You win anyway more often with the progression than with the flat bets - but risk more too. You decide how much you can take on risk factor (heart attack). I still don't know if it is a long term winner? It is a keeper, for sure.
Cheers Hermes
i'll make some testing with v0.21 program
no progression...flat bet for 5 spins
on spielbank it take approx. one column to fill the program....so I start playing with the next column for 1 to 5 numbers....so for each session theres only 1 to 5 numbers from the past session....i start over at the top of the column and fill the program again
Permanenzen von Tisch 3 vom 10.11.2008
Spielbank Wiesbaden
149 spins
1 lost
6 win
end +55 units
Permanenzen von Tisch 4 vom 10.11.2008
Spielbank Wiesbaden
100 spins
1 lost
3 win
end -5 units
Permanenzen von Tisch 7 vom 10.11.2008
164 spins
end - 44 units
not sure if the program running well.....0 have no value but worth one spin....''collect 24 spins''....abbaaaabbbabab0babbaa till 24 spins no matter how many 0 have hit....
hermes ??
i'm now 100% sure that 0 worth one spin
flat bet : play only when theres 6-10 numbers to bet and we also need a difference of at least 2 numbers between the two lines.
nolinks://nolinks.freeadultstuff.us/gamble/302systems/MYSYSTEM1.pdf (nolinks://nolinks.freeadultstuff.us/gamble/302systems/MYSYSTEM1.pdf)
the program is not good...forget all testing results
Permanenzen von Tisch 3 vom 10.11.2008
Spielbank Wiesbaden
155 spins
1 lost
6 win
end +55 units
NOW END AT +54 UNITS WITH NEW PARAMETERS
Permanenzen von Tisch 4 vom 10.11.2008
Spielbank Wiesbaden
100 spins
1 lost
3 win
end -5 units
NOW END AT 47 UNITS
Permanenzen von Tisch 7 vom 10.11.2008
164 spins
end - 44 units
NOW END -1 UNITS
new total 100 units
Hi guys, with the v333 you have to wait 24 spins and bet the side sleepers where are more numbers canceled so you get to bet less numbers. The zero rule means that zero doesn't count in the 24 spins what means you have to take one more spin for every zero in the 24 waiting spin period. E.g. if came 3 zeros during the 24 waiting period add 3 more spins before decide to bet!!! If the zero comes during betting, sorry it is a loss, nothing can be done about it. 5 flat bets should win 95% of the sessions. It is crucial that the zeros don't show up during the flat betting period. That is the biggest danger for the flat betting.
I don't matter the difference but I don't bet if less than 6 numbers left.
If somebody could make an appropriate software for it (progressions included as a choice) it would help a lot. This system is worth it.
Hermes
hey hermes
''play only when theres 6-10 numbers to bet and we also need a difference of at least 2 numbers between the two lines.''
what you do with this ?
Quote from: kompressor on November 10, 2008, 03:55:39 PM
i'll make some testing with v0.21 program
no progression...flat bet for 5 spins
on spielbank it take approx. one column to fill the program....so I start playing with the next column for 1 to 5 numbers....so for each session theres only 1 to 5 numbers from the past session....i start over at the top of the column and fill the program again
Permanenzen von Tisch 3 vom 10.11.2008
Spielbank Wiesbaden
149 spins
1 lost
6 win
end +55 units
Permanenzen von Tisch 4 vom 10.11.2008
Spielbank Wiesbaden
100 spins
1 lost
3 win
end -5 units
Permanenzen von Tisch 7 vom 10.11.2008
164 spins
end - 44 units
not sure if the program running well.....0 have no value but worth one spin....''collect 24 spins''....abbaaaabbbabab0babbaa till 24 spins no matter how many 0 have hit....
hermes ??
Hi kompressor,
The software made by bjb is out of range.
Sometimes the software gives 11 numbers to bet.
In the original text the author only uses from 6 to 10 numbers (no more).
I am not saying the software won´t work but it is not the same.
Cheers,
JLP.-
Quote from: kompressor on November 10, 2008, 10:38:03 PM
hey hermes
''play only when theres 6-10 numbers to bet and we also need a difference of at least 2 numbers between the two lines.''
what you do with this ?
In the text the author defines 3 types of betting :
1)Agressive or risky.
2)Normal
3)Conservative.
1)The Agressive is when there is little difference in the numbers between lines (like 1) or when they are even - the author play both lines with 2 separate progressions or select one of them (the one with more hits including repeaters I guess).
So he plays always.
2)The normal is the one you refer :
''play only when theres 6-10 numbers to bet and we also need a difference of at least 2 numbers between the two lines.''
We play only if this conditions are done.
3)Conservative.
When the difference between lines is 3 or more numbers - that is are less opportunities to bet but more secure to the bankroll.
Cheers,
JLP.-
Quote from: hermes on November 10, 2008, 10:25:46 PM
Hi guys, with the v333 you have to wait 24 spins and bet the side sleepers where are more numbers canceled so you get to bet less numbers. The zero rule means that zero doesn't count in the 24 spins what means you have to take one more spin for every zero in the 24 waiting spin period. E.g. if came 3 zeros during the 24 waiting period add 3 more spins before decide to bet!!! If the zero comes during betting, sorry it is a loss, nothing can be done about it. 5 flat bets should win 95% of the sessions. It is crucial that the zeros don't show up during the flat betting period. That is the biggest danger for the flat betting.
I don't matter the difference but I don't bet if less than 6 numbers left.
If somebody could make an appropriate software for it (progressions included as a choice) it would help a lot. This system is worth it.
Hermes
Hi mate,
You stated this perfect.
Cheers,
JLP.-
you have some results to share JLP ??
Quote from: kompressor on November 11, 2008, 01:18:38 AM
you have some results to share JLP ??
Hi Kompressor,
As I said before I made 25 tests (25 x 36 spins = 900 spins) with Dublinbet numbers using the original line A and Line B from the original text and no lose but using the progression.
Maybe the average is to look for 2 wins on those 12 spins.
Also when it hits resets the progression to the beginning and continue (but this according to the hits).
If it hits for example in the 6 spin maybe is better to stop there and not continue, because we see it is not hitting.
If I have for example :
spin W/L
1 L
2 L
3 L
4 L
5 L
6 W ---> Here I stop and not continue
But if there are 2 or 3 wins earlier we can continue (always resetting to 1 the progression after the hit).
Another factor we can consider is when a hit comes, apart from resetting the progression to the beginning take away the number that just hit to reduce the bet for the following spins (but never less than 6 numbers) although that number can repeat again.
This last one I have not tested yet.
I don´t use the software, only a xls spreadsheet file.
Also following the guidelines I write in previous post.
But .... still testing.
Cheers,
JLP.-