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Title: Back to Basics 101
Post by: TicTacToe on September 11, 2008, 12:05:01 PM
Here's a system that's mechanical yet very profitable. If you should lose with this system, let me know and I'll talk to the Pit Boss about getting your money back. ;)

As for the system.

System Name: Back to Basics 101

Take the table and divide it into 9 equal sectors. Don't include the Zero's. So the sectors will be 1,4,7,10...2,5,8,11...3,6,9,12,,,13,16,19,22...14,17,20,23...15,18,21,24...25,28,31,34...26,29,32,35...and 27,30,33,36.

As you can see these are like streets but in the opposite direction. 9 streets of 4 instead of 12 streets of 3.

We will be using an Atilla like progression.

What streets to play and how to play them, you ask.

O.K  we'll be playing a maximum of 4 streets. Which ones ?

AS soon as a number comes out you place 1 unit on the first number of that street. So say 31 comes out, your first street is  25,28,31,34 place 1 unit on 25 for the first spin of your session. Then comes 17, (14,17,20,23)  place 1 unit on 14 and now add a unit to the following number from the first group, #28. Do this until you have 4 streets being played. Before we go any further, your 1st street should now be covered with 1 unit on each number, your 2nd  street with 1 unit on the first three numbers, your 3rd street with 1 unit on the first two numbers and your fourth street should have 1 unit on its first number. If that's not where you're at, then reread from the beginning.

Rules for hitting a Zero, count it as a wasted spin but continue adding your units.

If a number hits on a street not yet fully covered, just continue play. If a number hits on a street not yet fully covered and you don't have your 4 chosen streets, choose one. What I do is look at my board and use the last number not used as a street, and use that street. That way your progression plays nicely.

If you've hit on any of your played numbers and are in PROFIT, rinse and wash again. Otherwise we continue with adding a second unit on the 1st number of the 1st street and so on and so on. I think you should be getting the idea by now.

As an added protection to your bankroll. At the start of your nightly play, maybe set half of your BR as a stop limit. Example: Using 1$ units, a BR of 250$ should suffice, so set 125$ as your stop loss on a bad roll of numbers. Then once you are in PROFIT ( and you will be ) maybe set your stop loss to only a third of your BR.

Donations for this sure to win system will be accepted at your local charity.

Have fun and play smart.

TTT

Title: Re: Back to Basics 101
Post by: Boo_Ray on September 11, 2008, 12:41:03 PM
Hey TTT nice add, what about stop Win when is it recomended to stop?
Title: Re: Back to Basics 101
Post by: cps10 on September 11, 2008, 12:45:12 PM
Would love to see a full session played out. I think I understand, but not sure.
Title: Re: Back to Basics 101
Post by: TicTacToe on September 11, 2008, 12:53:08 PM
Boo_Ray

A disciplined player will stop at 10% or so of his/her BR.

A risky player will play as long as the table is giving away its riches with a smile.

Other players will play till they drop.

Can you guess which one I am. [smiley=xit/isplatavi6.gif]

TTT
Title: Re: Back to Basics 101
Post by: TicTacToe on September 11, 2008, 01:12:07 PM
cps10

Her's a sample play:

26 1 unit on 26
3 1u #3 1u #26 1u 29
25 1u on 25,3,6,26,29,32
21 1u on 15,3,6,9,25,28,26,29,32,35 ( 4 streets have been defined )
30 2u on 26 1u on 29,32,35,25,28,31,3,6,9,12,15,18
21 2u on 26,29,3, 1u on 6,9,12,15,18,21,32,35,25,28,31,34
13 2u on 26,29,32,25,3,6, 1u on 9,12,15,18,21,24,35,28,31,34
30 2u on 26,29,32,35,25,28,15,3,6,9, 1 u on 12,18,21,24,31,34
9 win ( not in profit ) continue, 3u on 26, 2u on 29,32,35,25,28,31,15,18,3,6,9,12, 1u on 21,24,34
29 win ( PROFIT ) stop, evaluate ... evaluation done ( NOT enough PROFIT ) ... CONTINUE

Next session will start with 26 again seeing 29 was our last number spun.


Hope this helps

TTT
Title: Re: Back to Basics 101
Post by: winkel on September 11, 2008, 01:25:52 PM
my 2 cents:

if a systems excludes 1 number (mainly it is always the Zero)
increases the house edge to beat by 2%= - 4,7 instead of -2,7%

basicly it is a simple Cheval-system. results are known.

br
winkel
Title: Re: Back to Basics 101
Post by: Boo_Ray on September 11, 2008, 01:29:00 PM
system is fairly dangerous when you dont get early hits, because it gets out of hand and zero totaly wipes you out when whole table is covered
Title: Re: Back to Basics 101
Post by: TicTacToe on September 11, 2008, 04:44:27 PM
Winkel

Quotemy 2 cents:

if a systems excludes 1 number (mainly it is always the Zero)
increases the house edge to beat by 2%= - 4,7 instead of -2,7%

basicly it is a simple Cheval-system. results are known.

br
winkel

The only reason Zero's are not included is because we are playing a 4-in-line system X 4 lines ( 16 numbers ).

So were putting the Zero's aside and choosing from the other 36 numbers. Zero has NO EFFECT on the system other than wasting a spin. It has no effect different from any other number on the board not included in your 16 numbers. If you want to hedge the zero go right ahead...for that matter why don't you hedge all the other numbers not included...makes no sense.


Boo_Ray

Quotesystem is fairly dangerous when you dont get early hits, because it gets out of hand and zero totaly wipes you out when whole table is covered

First, you NEVER cover ALL the board. Only a MAXIMUM of 16 numbers. Second, that's why I said to risk only half of your daily BR on any given session because of that session from hell ( 2 sessions from hell in a row, I doubt it ). Third the numerous wins ( often big wins ) outweigh the session from hell.

This is a definate money maker if played with common sense.

TTT
Title: Re: Back to Basics 101
Post by: Boo_Ray on September 11, 2008, 05:40:18 PM
ow crap I miss played it then :) I didnt knew that we always maintain just on 16nrs
Title: Re: Back to Basics 101
Post by: winkel on September 11, 2008, 06:51:59 PM
I have a idea how you can make it more fexible and include the Zero.

1. As there is the highest peak for a repeater after 7or8 spins you should bet the hit number as first, despite to which street it belongs.
2. when you add a number to a street take the next number down. When the first number is a 34or35or36 the next number to play is 0.
Is the Zero already in game go "down" the col. you play. eg. 34 go to 1 35 go to 2 36 go to 3.
If Zero ist the first number take column 3-6-9 because it is most logic refering to finals.

If you play strictly your way it is possible that you play numbers that didn´t already hit. to pick numbers that won´t appear is much to riscy.

br
winkel
Title: Re: Back to Basics 101
Post by: Boo_Ray on September 12, 2008, 03:42:01 AM
I think It is always good that you reset if you are 125units down from previous high
Title: Re: Back to Basics 101
Post by: cps10 on September 12, 2008, 12:16:08 PM
Boo_Ray,

How's the testing going here?
Title: Re: Back to Basics 101
Post by: Boo_Ray on September 12, 2008, 03:17:07 PM
Quote from: cps10 on September 12, 2008, 12:16:08 PM
Boo_Ray,

How's the testing going here?

tests are good you can make +100u without getting in real danger, if you have a drawdown at beginning stop at -125 and reset then play to break even
Title: Re: Back to Basics 101
Post by: Boo_Ray on September 13, 2008, 02:35:51 PM
anyone else testing this? It is showing good results if you folow stoploss
Title: Re: Back to Basics 101
Post by: bobbybobby on October 05, 2008, 12:40:53 PM
just want to share i have used this method on my CasinoWebCam live account.

With bankroll of $1,000 starting, with $1 per unit, i managed to climbed up to $2,300 after about 300 spins, tired though.

cheers :-)


BobbyBobby
Title: Re: Back to Basics 101
Post by: VLSroulette on October 05, 2008, 01:51:52 PM
Nice to know Bobby! You really are a "balls' mate". Straight to real money!
Title: Re: Back to Basics 101
Post by: bobbybobby on October 05, 2008, 07:20:19 PM
hehe..thanks Victor  :-)

but I am using $1 units only..hehe.



BobbyBobby
Title: Re: Back to Basics 101
Post by: ryan08 on October 05, 2008, 08:01:01 PM
hi, i was just wondering, when you win, say 15 comes up and you are then in profit, you reset, but do you start the reset with  that 15 and play the street again or do you wait for the next number to come up?
Title: Re: Back to Basics 101
Post by: kompressor on October 05, 2008, 09:02:00 PM
i've start from 3000$ to 20 000$ with 10$ unit at goldencasino.com (fun mode) playing this system today....i have tested a lot of system this way and never get to this point.....do you think its good to test a system in fun mode ???

i play on real table...dont trust online casino when i play for real
Title: Re: Back to Basics 101
Post by: TicTacToe on October 05, 2008, 10:19:35 PM
Either way is OK... But if you don't mind the extra spin... go right ahead .... might be just the ticket that gets you out of a bad series of spins. Who knows.


TTT
Title: Re: Back to Basics 101
Post by: kompressor on October 05, 2008, 11:24:45 PM
now 23 000$.....20 000$ in one day with 10$ unit....very impressive....i'm not sure i'm playing the right way but I have sucess....i add one unit to each of the 4 streets until I have the desired profit...from begining to the end...dont care about any order or pattern....it hit, I bet....when one of my number hit  I dont add units and when 0 hit I dont add units....session bankroll from 1 to 500 units but always recover fast with 10 to 75 units profit...
but when I recover a big lost and i'm just a few hundred dollars of my goal I cut my bet in half.....why bet 500$ to make 200$.....10 loosing strike and we have a +5000$ hole to recover
Title: Re: Back to Basics 101
Post by: bobbybobby on October 06, 2008, 06:36:28 AM
whao kompressor, were you playing RNG? or Live Spins mate?

:-)


BobbyBobby
Title: Re: Back to Basics 101
Post by: Panopticon on October 06, 2008, 08:13:55 AM
Hey TicTacToe,

any special reason you divide the table like this??

Regards
Title: Re: Back to Basics 101
Post by: TicTacToe on October 06, 2008, 11:04:03 AM
If you look at the table and the way the betting structure is composed ( Lines, Streets, Corners etc ... ), there aren't any bets that divide the table in this manner. I'm sure there are endless possibilities to this way of playing.

But to answer your question
Quoteany special reason you divide the table like this??
No


Enjoy the system.
Invent your own system using this layout.
Just remember to follow the tables lead, don't force it. When she doesn't spit out your numbers, back off.


TTT

Title: Re: Back to Basics 101
Post by: kompressor on October 06, 2008, 12:12:06 PM
hey TTT....are you using this sytem from a long time ago ???
Title: Re: Back to Basics 101
Post by: TicTacToe on October 06, 2008, 02:21:50 PM
You know...systems are a funny thing .... sometimes they work like a charm and sometimes they can destroy you.

You know...Me, I'm a funny kind of guy. When systems work like a charm I use them till death do us part. When they start to destroy me, I curse at them and instantly start looking for something else.

So what you can imagine from the above is that Systems are not Stable and for that matter possibly me too.

Then again maybe not ... been with the same woman for the past 38 yrs. ( 33 married ).

So yes I've played it from a long time ago. It has hurt me. But yes it keeps coming back into my arsenal.

Just be careful


TTT
Title: Re: Back to Basics 101
Post by: kompressor on October 06, 2008, 05:40:23 PM
did you ever recover (or not) from a 500 unit loss in a session in real play or you always stop before getting to this point ???

....how bad was your worst session ?



Title: Re: Back to Basics 101
Post by: TicTacToe on October 06, 2008, 07:01:00 PM
Like I mentioned in my first post ... At 1$ units a 250$ BR should suffice. As a protection to your BR, you should only play 125$ for any session. If you go below this, it might just be too hard to recoup. So just stop play, or start a new session. Usually if the table is not be friendly, it's a sign to either wait out a few spins or even just change table.

Stop loss is a given for any system.

At 1$ units, a 500$ loss on any particular table would be hard to recoup. Your only option at this point, if you want to stay at the table, would be to reset after any win that exceeds your last high and not just if you exceed your highest balance.

Example:

Regular play:

0 ... +1 reset
1 ... +1 reset

etc etc.


Extreme recoup play:

-500 ... + 501 reset ( No good )

-500 ... +1 reset
-499 ... +1 reset

That way you keep your betting level low.

I hope you understand what I'm getting at ?

TTT
Title: Re: Back to Basics 101
Post by: bobbybobby on October 18, 2008, 12:18:47 AM
hi TicTacToe,

thanks for sharing this method.

I am glad to report that I have made good money from it so far (1 week+ already!)

;-)


Cheers!
Title: Re: Back to Basics 101
Post by: bobbybobby on October 20, 2008, 07:07:54 AM
Starting with $948.

Now at $2,308 (using $1 unit)

3 days (6 hours approx. per day at BetInternet.com)

is this method worth a look?  i think so.  i am using real money.

cheers  :-)


BobbyBobby
Title: Re: Back to Basics 101
Post by: Tok2Dahand on October 31, 2008, 09:56:12 AM
Early days testing is positive here...  already won almost 500 units in just a few hours play...

I am following a 125 unit stop-loss as suggested and try to win 30-40 units plus before a restart.  Sometimes a 100 unit win falls in...

I have hit my stoploss twice so far.  A few more wins and I'll double the stakes in an attempt to grow my bank further..  If I hit my stoploss before I win 125 units at the new stakes then I'll drop down again and grind up to 500 again before trying again at higher stakes...  If I hit 500 units at the double stakes I will double again...

I really think this is a winner if played with discipline and intelligence...   well early days still but I'll keep you all posted..

I reckon the key is to start small each day and attempt to grind it up as far as possible using targets and BR management...

UPDATE:

Hit my stoploss just after making the above post.  Still recovered and made my 500 target with 532+

Doubling stakes now...




Title: Re: Back to Basics 101
Post by: Tucktuckster on October 31, 2008, 04:49:30 PM
when this wins, it wins.

when it tanks. ouch!
Title: Re: Back to Basics 101
Post by: Tok2Dahand on October 31, 2008, 05:29:36 PM
1180 units plus!!!!!

you aint wrong pal...  even if I hit my 125 unit stoploss in this streak ( I am now betting in 2 unit increments ) I will still be over 1k units today lol...

If I hit my stoploss at this point I will stop and start tomorrow with 1 unit starters for another shot...   Not many more winners needed for me to hit 4 units betting increments lol

we will see how my now 4200 unit roll holds up with this over the coming days or weeks :p

UPDATE:

Hit my stoploss and the gambler in me made 1 more 68 unit bet.... which lost lol...  still up around 950 units and have changed gear to 1 unit increments for the last hour of today...
Title: Re: Back to Basics 101
Post by: See_Jerek on November 03, 2008, 08:26:51 AM
I have been trying this method but it doesnt go very well.Bets just keep getting bigger.Am I playing right?i just kept playing till I hit a stop loss.
tank 2 times on this ouch!
Title: Re: Back to Basics 101
Post by: Tok2Dahand on November 03, 2008, 06:37:33 PM
I have hopped on to another system for the time-being...  Hit my stoploss twice concurently once I reached about the 500 spin mark....  still have made about 1200 units from it in that approximately 500 spins..

I'll be returning here soon enough though no doubt.... 

I tried on RNG as well as live but RNG didn't prove so good even though I still managed to leave with some of the casino's money :D

Title: Re: Back to Basics 101
Post by: kompressor on November 04, 2008, 09:33:00 PM
its not very suitable for b&m casino