Vito and all.......
Vito, as promised, I removed your threads. We do not allow blatant selling on VLS. Why? Victor works harder than you might believe to maintain this forum. Many of us contribute to it's monthly cost. It is just not right for someone to get free advertising when there are legitimate places to advertise and pay for same.
Thought I may be chided as a fool, I did PayPal you $20 U.S. to get your system. If this thing works at all, I will write you a testimonial letter which you may use in any future ads and you will be swamped with orders. By the way, raise your price from $20 to at least $200 and strongly consider $2000. Anyone who has purchased a house off roulette winnings should be compensated justly for such a system.
All...........
The minute I get this system, I will begin a little test to see what the man has. I will keep you posted!
Why would I do such a thing? I MADE $20 PLAYING RNG YESTERDAY!!
Samster
So Sam you must be the man with the HG to have won at RNG lol
TSK
TSK
Here's the strange and hairy deal: I can play at Bella Vegas, but only on the RNG. winkel says the G.U.T. will work on RNG and he's always been spot on in my eyes. Thought I would give it a try.
I'll report......
Sam
@ Sam
That would be well cool.Please do let us know how u get on
TSK
Quote from: Number Six on March 03, 2009, 12:32:42 PM
Sam,
I've tested the GUT on betvoyager's [highlight]no zero table[/highlight] with Kon-Fu-Sed's tracker. The results were...damaging. I'm now testing with the track4 app. Results so far are not good either. I'd be interested to know how you get on.
Six
Why don´t you choose the European Roulette without house-edge? pays 36 for 1 instead of 35.
I´m playing there as well. Nice success. the other thing is: did you test enough to know all the hints and jump-techniques?
br
winkel
Vito has claimed my money from PayPal but has not had the time to e-mail me the system.
That's never a good sign Sam...
I am willing to help cover the loss should you not get anything in return. Your endless pursuit of this game is appriciated.
Lemme know.
Cheers,
Matt
Matt
That offer is much appreciated. I do have faith he will send it.
Sam
Will notify the minute he sends it. I'm sure he has to get home to his main computer to send it.
All........
Vito sent me his system. Without revealing it, let me say it is a variation on the idea that since it has hit twice, it won't hit three times. Yes, it will.
He sent me a second system for free, The Trident System, which defies all logic to me. It almost seems to attempt to loose.
Vito......
Thanks for your response.
Sam
Thanks for the update Sam.
Results are nothing more or less than we expected I guess ;)
TSK
Quote from: TwoCatSam on March 04, 2009, 07:57:07 PM
All........
Vito sent me his system. Without revealing it, let me say it is a variation on the idea that since it has hit twice, it won't hit three times. Yes, it will.
He sent me a second system for free, The Trident System, which defies all logic to me. It almost seems to attempt to lose.
Vito......
Thanks for your response.
Sam
Wow, you got two systems for price of one. Great it is like shopping in the supermarket, you buy one and you get two article. Maybe you just need to combine this two togheter so that you cut out the loses which makes the first one and and vice versa. And all that for 15$, it looks like is financial crisis on the scammer market too. ;D ;D
Cheers
Ummmm
I paid the full $20..........
Surely I'll find some good in it.
Sam
I have sent you the system two cat sam..let me know what you think
I sent it to you last night and you stil have not informed me or anyone else what you think of it
I believe he said that they are both losers.
Perhaps you might re-read post #11. It seems self-explanatory to me. They suck. Sometimes even a scam can open ones eyes to a new way of playing, analalyzing, or betting. I wonder if this is what Sam eluded to in post # 14. RP
I sent that guy the wrong system by accident. Two cat sam has my systems as well
You did notice that Two Cat Sam did not bash my system, that is because he knows that it does work. He mentions that I assume that it won't hit on the third.....There is some sense as to what he is saying here, but he is not being realistic. Without giving away my secrets, it kind runs on the principle that one number is not going to hit for 3 consecutive hits. It is possable and it does happen once in a blue moon, but it is not realistic to assume that it will happen many times during one session. My system is based on a smiliar technique. HOWEVER, two cat sam fails to mention that even it the scenario I just explaned does happen, lets say twice in 10 spins, it won't matter because our other wins will make up for it plus much more
All........
When you lose, you must win three times to cover the loss. As I said to someone, it will work when it does and won't work when it won't.
I am going to link you to something much older which I wrote. nolinks://vlsroulette.com/gambling-and-roulette-related/mathematicians-please-take-a-look-at-this!
For some reason, the link won't work. Here is the text, written on September 25, 2008
The question is not whether this is the way to bet or not but rather...is my math right?
Would placing the bets just as I have indicated give the house a 50% edge?
Anyone?
From Lohnro's Thread:
OK, here goes.
Trying to reduce the wheel to 8 numbers, 7 European.
Place $10 on the first dozen and $15 on the large numbers. Seven numbers are uncovered. 13 thru 18 and 0. Now place $1 on any five of those numbers.
Iteration.......
1st dozen hits, you break even.
Large number hits, you break even.
One of your $1 bets hits, you win $6. (36 minus a total of 30 bet)
One of your uncovered numbers hits, you lose $30.
We will not concern ourselves with the break-evens.
Winners = 5/37 = 13.5% win rate at $6
Losers = 2/37 = 5.4% loss rate at $30
Over one thousand spins.....
Loses
1,000 X 5.4% = 54 losses X $30 = $1,620
Wins
1,000 X 13.5% = 135 wins X $6 = $810
Seems to me you are flat-betting and losing 50% of your bankroll.
I could use some help! Or confirmation!
Sam
Taking of the math professor's hat!
Sam
>>Without giving away my secrets, it kind runs on the principle that one number is not going to hit for 3 consecutive hits. It is possable and it does happen once in a blue moon, but it is not realistic to assume that it will happen many times during one session. My system is based on a smiliar technique.>>>
Don't worry, your secrets are safe. What you describe is pure newbie Gamblers Fallacy thinking. Do the math, it won't work.
from where do all these scammers come from... there is no end to this... some want to look very professional but all are just retarded
Edit me if I am wrong :D ;D
Vito
I don't mean to be rude or cruel, but your system is truly old as the hills.
The moderators will kill your threads as soon as you put them up if you are selling something.
Sorry I could not be more help.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on March 06, 2009, 12:12:46 AM
Sorry I could not be more help.
Sam
What kind of help does he needs. He can go from 150$ to 5000$ in 5 hours?!
Boo_Ray
Excellent question. Why would a fellow with a winning rate like his need to have someone test it? I feel he thinks he's onto something and just wants to get confirmation. The $20? I don't know about that. He could make more in an hour than he will ever make selling the thing. If he doesn't hit the wall, that is.
Vito, what's up doc?
Sam
I've only got one guess... starts with "sc" and ends with "ammer"
I'll never understand how sellers don't think buyers will wonder why they sell a system that makes sooo much for so little (or at all really).
Matt
Scammers are just scammers. And always will be...
The bad thing is that there also always will be somebody to believe & keep them alive.
Honestly, I do not like scammers as much, as I do not like people buying their crap.
Unfortunately, we cannot really do something about that. We just try.
Take care,
Lupo
Vito posts on GG under AceMoney and JMoney. He's a scammer, pure and simple.
And thick as pig$hit
I grew up on a farm. That's pretty thick, I gaourontee........
If you want a real laugh take a look at his Testing Results thread on this same Board.
His initial graph (IF true...if...) is coronary-fodder...so why does he bother flogging his system for $20?
There's just one answer to that!
Hi guys,
He is a scammer...and I have it all recorded...
Read this:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/general-board/vito-scammer-read-for-yourself (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/general-board/vito-scammer-read-for-yourself)!!!/msg41924/?topicseen#msg41924
Regards,
Nobody ^.^
You must all understand where I am coming from. I have spent many, many years analyzing roulette and developing systems. I live in California, about a 4 hour drive from Las Vegas. I was married to my wife for 20 years. I had an average paying, but a steady one, so thing were working out for me. Since I did't live too far from vegas I would take trips out there with my wife about once a month. I started becoming addicted to roulette. I love the colorfulness of the whole setup and the many betting options. Anyway I played the game for about 5 years just betting on even money bets and trying to come up with my own systems. As you geussed it, I eventually lost more and more each time I went. I started to develop a gambling problem when I would develop systems during the weekdays and then drive 4 hours on the weekend by myself to play them for real. I ended up losing thousand and thousands of dollars. I never told my wife where all my money was going. I finally told here that I had a gambling problem and told her how much money I lost playing roulette ( which was around $80,000 in 3 years). Well you guessed it, my wife divorced me after 20 years of marriage. She thought I was insane, coming home from work each day and working on different systems to beat roulette, which would all fail.Now this is where the story turns
After the divorce I moved out into an apartment. I wasn't broke or anything, I still worked my same job, I just didn't have any money saved, so I was just living off my paychecks each week, which were getting decreasingly smaller due to cut hours. Unfortunatly even the divorce was not a wakeup call to stop my gambling addiction. As it turned out MY apartment which I moved into was even closer to Las Vegas than before. I still lived in CA, but now only like 3 hours away. So I would continue to develop systems during the weekday and drive to Vegas on weekends. I continued this until I was at a delema. I had about $20,000 in bills that needed to be payed pronto. I had no idea what I was going to do. Now a very strange coincidence happened that same night. I was testing my system I developed earlier in the week that night. I always test new systems by playing in fun mode at online casino's. I always did it at bodog casino because it was the fastest to load. Well as you know they start you with $1000 in fun money. Within about 30minutes of play, I had $1200. So I made $120 in 30 minutes. I thought, "WOW". Unfortunatly many of the systems I created always profited for the first few hours of play, but all ended up failing. So I continued play with it and after 5 hours, I was at $2300, So I was up $1300 in 5 hours. After a coffeee break I played an additional 5 hours and was now up to $5000. You couldnt beleive the excitment running through me. This never happened to me, I never even broke the $2000 mark let alone $5,000. So I the next day I continued play in fun mode where I left off, I kept playing that night and ended up around $15,000. Soon Sat**day rolled around, and I was off to test the system with real money in Vegas. Within the first 3 hours of play I was $2000, after about 5 hours of play, I had $5,000. I kept noticing the pit boss looking at me, this never happened before, because I always lost. I felt very uneasy so I cashed I and went to the venetion after playing at harrahs. I bought in again for $100 and after another 5 hours I had another $5000. I drove home that night up $10,000 and was the happiest man alive. I continued doing this every weekend and then started doing this on weekdays. Before I knew It I had to quit my job and devote more time to roulette. The money was pouring in. I felt Like the kid form the movie 21 which came out a few years ago. Just last year I bought a huge house in palm springs, ca. And the best news of all is hat my wife got back with me. I couldn't be more happier.
I named my system The Magical Sun System because I would always be straing into the sun on my weekend trips to las vegas, which kinda sucked. Anyway, The system is about an 8 page pdf file. I honestly had no idea what price to set it at. I told you all in my previous post that I bought the donny millioanire bullshit for around $800 and I bought other systems for like $100, so I figured $40 would be a good price for my system. But I did get some bad remarkes for the price, So I will now sell it for $20
This is not a scam...The results don't lie
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Quote from: Vito on March 09, 2009, 03:43:48 AM
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Nice drawing...... you do that yourself?
Hi MXkid77,
I feel that he did a poor job...not "perfect"!
Do you mind drawing a better one for him? ::)
Regards,
Nobody ^.^
Nope..its taken from the roulette extreme testing software. I noticed you must ride dirtbikes MXkid....I have a yz250f...I live in southern nj, so I ride englishtown, atco, and everynow and then I make it down to budds creek...Where do you ride?
...You ride a Yamaha YZ250f......Hope you fall on your head then....maybe you will make more sense.
It will be for the better anyway. (P.S. this is only for Vito....Please ride without a crash helmet when you do fall on your head)
cheers
Jakk
Quote from: Vito on March 09, 2009, 03:38:20 AM
You must all understand where I am coming from. I have spent many, many years analyzing roulette and developing systems. I live in California, about a 4 hour drive from Las Vegas. I was married to my wife for 20 years. I had an average paying, but a steady one, so thing were working out for me. Since I did't live too far from vegas I would take trips out there with my wife about once a month. I started becoming addicted to roulette. I love the colorfulness of the whole setup and the many betting options. Anyway I played the game for about 5 years just betting on even money bets and trying to come up with my own systems. As you geussed it, I eventually lost more and more each time I went. I started to develop a gambling problem when I would develop systems during the weekdays and then drive 4 hours on the weekend by myself to play them for real. I ended up losing thousand and thousands of dollars. I never told my wife where all my money was going. I finally told here that I had a gambling problem and told her how much money I lost playing roulette ( which was around $80,000 in 3 years). Well you guessed it, my wife divorced me after 20 years of marriage. She thought I was insane, coming home from work each day and working on different systems to beat roulette, which would all fail.Now this is where the story turns
After the divorce I moved out into an apartment. I wasn't broke or anything, I still worked my same job, I just didn't have any money saved, so I was just living off my paychecks each week, which were getting decreasingly smaller due to cut hours. Unfortunatly even the divorce was not a wakeup call to stop my gambling addiction. As it turned out MY apartment which I moved into was even closer to Las Vegas than before. I still lived in CA, but now only like 3 hours away. So I would continue to develop systems during the weekday and drive to Vegas on weekends. I continued this until I was at a delema. I had about $20,000 in bills that needed to be payed pronto. I had no idea what I was going to do. Now a very strange coincidence happened that same night. I was testing my system I developed earlier in the week that night. I always test new systems by playing in fun mode at online casino's. I always did it at bodog casino because it was the fastest to load. Well as you know they start you with $1000 in fun money. Within about 30minutes of play, I had $1200. So I made $120 in 30 minutes. I thought, "WOW". Unfortunatly many of the systems I created always profited for the first few hours of play, but all ended up failing. So I continued play with it and after 5 hours, I was at $2300, So I was up $1300 in 5 hours. After a coffeee break I played an additional 5 hours and was now up to $5000. You couldnt beleive the excitment running through me. This never happened to me, I never even broke the $2000 mark let alone $5,000. So I the next day I continued play in fun mode where I left off, I kept playing that night and ended up around $15,000. Soon Sat**day rolled around, and I was off to test the system with real money in Vegas. Within the first 3 hours of play I was $2000, after about 5 hours of play, I had $5,000. I kept noticing the pit boss looking at me, this never happened before, because I always lost. I felt very uneasy so I cashed I and went to the venetion after playing at harrahs. I bought in again for $100 and after another 5 hours I had another $5000. I drove home that night up $10,000 and was the happiest man alive. I continued doing this every weekend and then started doing this on weekdays. Before I knew It I had to quit my job and devote more time to roulette. The money was pouring in. I felt Like the kid form the movie 21 which came out a few years ago. Just last year I bought a huge house in palm springs, ca. And the best news of all is hat my wife got back with me. I couldn't be more happier.
I named my system The Magical Sun System because I would always be straing into the sun on my weekend trips to las vegas, which kinda sucked. Anyway, The system is about an 8 page pdf file. I honestly had no idea what price to set it at. I told you all in my previous post that I bought the donny millioanire bullshit for around $800 and I bought other systems for like $100, so I figured $40 would be a good price for my system. But I did get some bad remarkes for the price, So I will now sell it for $20
This is not a scam...The results don't lie
Hello Vito,
I am more or less in the same fix at you.I do not have the moneu.I lose too much at the table,will you have a heart and help me out.I really have no money but I promise I will pay you installments and even give you a percentage of my winnings as interest.
Please be a kind soul help a hopeless boy like me.You know how it feels when your family is shattered and destroyed by gambling.Being broke and poor becos of gambling
::) Come on JHM,
be realistic mate. Why waste time with this A-hole. As fake as they come. What was it? 65K in what 1000 spins. 65 units per spin!
hahahahahahaha.
No man Vito go fall on your head or something and make this World a better place.
Cheers
Jakk
Quote from: Vito on March 09, 2009, 03:43:48 AM
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Beat this
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I sell this for 5 bucks ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D
People
I just had a look at Vito's new and improved version. My first question was....why improve upon something that wins like his first system did? Anyway, Vito, your idea is based on the "Gambler's Fallacy" and---sooner or later---it will tank.
Now, I'm not saying you did not do what you said you did. You could have been on the world's longest winning/lucky streak. People have won $10,000 and better in a few rolls of the dice---pure luck!
In defense of Vito--how much of a scam could the guy be running if he's only asking $20? I think he thinks he really has the goods!
But then again, I'm scammer fodder so what do I know! [smiley=lolk.gif]
Sam
OK
Vito is insulting the intelligence of the forum. He has a system which won $20,000 last time out and he wants $20 for it.
Vito, I tried to work with you a little. I tried to cut you some slack, but man, you're going off into some rancid territory.
A good thing for you to do would be to leave the forum. No one will ever believe you if you said the sea was salty.
Sam