Vito and "The Magical Sun System"

[Shorty]

I believe he said that they are both losers.

[RoulettePlayer]

Perhaps you might re-read post #11.  It seems self-explanatory to me. They suck.  Sometimes even a scam can open ones eyes to a new way of playing, analalyzing, or betting.  I wonder if this is what Sam eluded to in post # 14.  RP

[Vito]

I sent that guy the wrong system by accident. Two cat sam has my systems as well

[Vito]

You did notice that Two Cat Sam did not bash my system, that is because he knows that it does work.  He mentions that I assume that it won't hit on the third.....There is some sense as to what he is saying here, but he is not being realistic. Without giving away my secrets, it kind runs on the principle that one number is not going to hit for 3 consecutive hits. It is possable and it does happen once in a blue moon, but it is not realistic to assume that it will happen many times during one session. My system is based on a smiliar technique. HOWEVER, two cat sam fails to mention that even it the scenario I just explaned does happen, lets say twice in 10 spins, it won't matter because our other wins will make up for it plus much more

[TwoCatSam]

All........

When you lose, you must win three times to cover the loss.  As I said to someone, it will work when it does and won't work when it won't. 

I am going to link you to something much older which I wrote.  nolinks://vlsroulette.com/gambling-and-roulette-related/mathematicians-please-take-a-look-at-this!

For some reason, the link won't work.  Here is the text, written on September 25, 2008

The question is not whether this is the way to bet or not but rather...is my math right?

Would placing the bets just as I have indicated give the house a 50% edge?

Anyone?

From Lohnro's Thread:



OK, here goes.

Trying to reduce the wheel to 8 numbers, 7 European.

Place $10 on the first dozen and $15 on the large numbers.  Seven numbers are uncovered.  13 thru 18 and 0.  Now place $1 on any five of those numbers.

Iteration.......

1st dozen hits, you break even.
Large number hits, you break even.
One of your $1 bets hits, you win $6.  (36 minus a total of 30 bet)
One of your uncovered numbers hits, you lose $30.

We will not concern ourselves with the break-evens.

Winners = 5/37 = 13.5% win rate at $6
Losers  =  2/37 = 5.4% loss rate at $30

Over one thousand spins.....

Loses

1,000 X 5.4% = 54 losses X $30 = $1,620

Wins

1,000 X 13.5% = 135 wins X $6 = $810

Seems to me you are flat-betting and losing 50% of your bankroll.

I could use some help!  Or confirmation!

Sam
Taking of the math professor's hat!

Sam

[Spike]

>>Without giving away my secrets, it kind runs on the principle that one number is not going to hit for 3 consecutive hits. It is possable and it does happen once in a blue moon, but it is not realistic to assume that it will happen many times during one session. My system is based on a smiliar technique.>>>

Don't worry, your secrets are safe. What you describe is pure newbie Gamblers Fallacy thinking. Do the math, it won't work.

[Boo_Ray]

from where do all these scammers come from... there is no end to this... some want to look very professional but all are just retarded

Edit me if I am wrong

[TwoCatSam]

Vito

I don't mean to be rude or cruel, but your system is truly old as the hills. 

The moderators will kill your threads as soon as you put them up if you are selling something.

Sorry I could not be more help.

Sam

[Boo_Ray]

Sorry I could not be more help.

Sam

What kind of help does he needs. He can go from 150$ to 5000$ in 5 hours?!

[TwoCatSam]

Boo_Ray

Excellent question.  Why would a fellow with a winning rate like his need to have someone test it?  I feel he thinks he's onto something and just wants to get confirmation.  The $20?  I don't know about that.  He could make more in an hour than he will ever make selling the thing.  If he doesn't hit the wall, that is.

Vito, what's up doc?

Sam

[MattyMattz]

I've only got one guess... starts with "sc" and ends with "ammer"

I'll never understand how sellers don't think buyers will wonder why they sell a system that makes sooo much for so little (or at all really).

Matt

[mistarlupo]

Scammers are just scammers. And always will be...

The bad thing is that there also always will be somebody to believe & keep them alive.
Honestly, I do not like scammers as much, as I do not like people buying their crap.

Unfortunately, we cannot really do something about that. We just try.

Take care,
Lupo

[Spike]

Vito posts on GG under AceMoney and JMoney. He's a scammer, pure and simple.

[Number Six]

And thick as pig$hit

[TwoCatSam]

I grew up on a farm.  That's pretty thick, I gaourontee........

[TwoCatSam]

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