This forum is not what it has been.
It sucks that we finally become Gamblers Glen and now move a step beyond that.
Yes we have moderators that starts topics to pick fights with selected members.
Delete posts when you only are allowed to remove posts.
Well the list can be long.
Then we have the new functions with new sections on this forum "no-Sayers".
It does not exist so that section is just an illusion.
Because you have to allow some on to say stop and no to members ho dream about quit work 9 to 5 and pay bills with roulette money.
Now it has gone so far that we will allow thread owner - lol - is that a mistake or what?
Now any one can make a post and if i don't like your reply or you as a member i just remove what you have to say.
I don't want to guess what that will end up.
Cheers Lucky Strike
I agree. Moderators are supposed to be impartial, and not pursue their own agenda or delete others posts without good reason. I don't know how the self-moderating will go, my feeling is that there will be more new threads. People won't want to criticize because they think their posts will be deleted as "disruptive", so they will go and start a separate thread to do the "disrupting" there. Then if anyone starts to "disrupt" their "disrupting" thread they will delete the posts and this will start a chain reaction. Before we know it the forum will explode. ;D
Ok, maybe that's an exaggeration but you know what I mean. We'll see how it goes.
QuoteBefore we know it the forum will explode.
I agree :pleasantry:
LS
Quote from: Lucky Strike on May 26, 2009, 06:07:50 AM
Now any one can make a post and if I don't like your reply or you as a member I just remove what you have to say.
This will all settle down for the better, because most people will soon get tired of posting replies in threads whose owners constantly remove them. It certainly won't take long to see who is talking to themselves.
I'm sure common sense will prevail.
QuoteI'm sure common sense will prevail.
I hope so but I don't think so - it will not be okay - there will be no justice or common sense.
LS
Making judgements, without supporting evidence, is hardly a good way to usher in the New Age!
Let's wait'n'see.
Expect the worst, hope for the best -- and end up pleasantly surprised. :)
Bombus made a good point.
Let's face it -- things couldn't continue as they were without some remedial steps being taken.
Steps have been taken.
Now let's give it some time.
QuoteMaking judgements, without supporting evidence, is hardly a good way to usher in the New Age!
Take a quick look at the forum and the behavior.
That sounds okay but the fundamental core is still there and you or Victor can't change that.
Its wrong from the beginning and it will end up wrong.
That's is simple logic.
Any one do what he feels like and don't have to follow any rules to which one to allow and not allow to post hes comments.
There is no justice or common sense to it.
Cheers LS
QuoteIt certainly won't take long to see who is talking to themselves.
HHahhaahhahaha@ Bombus.
That did that old Heart of Mine good Cobber.....Lmao.
Good OnYa Mate.
Lanky.
Now lets assume I did not like Bombus and Lankys replys then I can remove them because I don't have to follow any rules.
And I can manipulate my thread to go in any direction I want.
I think it is sad what new members will read and there is no one around to save them from lies and manipulated worlds of dreams about quit work from 9 to 5 and pay bills with roulette money.
It sucks big time.
Where will all the good members go.
They know when to say good and no that will not work.
Balance is important and we have to have both sides of the coin if this forum is going to work.
Cheers Lucky Strike
L S
It is difficult to know how this forum will develop in the future.
I suppose we all have different ideas as to what should take place in this forum.
My personal preference is for a forum devoted to serious testing of systems with ratings. Push the boundaries of testing, as far as they
will go.
As far as I can see this forum has become like a sort of market place, where people have set out their stalls and there is little progress
made in developing systems of real substance.
Gamblers Glen is at an all time low and is simply a place to exchange insults. If the forum heads in that direction, then it will be time for
us who want to develop roulette systems to part company and create a private forum, for like minded people. I receive emails from people
who seriously want to ask about roulette systems and discuss various aspects of them, but they don't want to post on a forum!
I did leave this forum at the beginning of this year and have no plans to leave at the present time, but as I have said before, if this ship
(forum) heads for the rocks of absurdity and nonsense, then abandon ship will be the only option for good.
Mr Chips
Yes that is a good point.
But that is old news and that is just a part of the bigger picture.
Cheers Lucky Strike.
hi all.
Just for the point. I will most Certanly not be deleting any critisism to my system threads, unless ofcourse the message is over the top with all the unessasy words and arguing from others.
so from me its all GOOD :thumbsup:
Good or Bad critism its all needed for me to learn.
Cheers,
mattjono
MATTJONO if we could apply that mind to all members then we would have a perfect forum, it will not happen.
Cheers Lucky Strike
Quote from: Lucky Strike on May 26, 2009, 09:17:37 AM
MATTJONO if we could apply that mind to all members then we would have a perfect forum, it will not happen.
Cheers Lucky Strike
Lucky I agree with you, but you can see who has deleted your or someone elses message on there thread. Then its there loss if you do not reply to that person again or give them any help.
It will just take that person longer and longer to learn from other peoples mistakes, which means they will lose more and more money.
And for new members looking to play roulette they have everything on this forum they need, even the sexy ladies. :girl_wacko:
mattjono
I was not able to reed the board for a few months and just recently have become active again. Before when someone posted a method or system most comments where how to make it better.
I personaly would like to see no post or comment ever get deleted. I think it is a big help to have many points of views, in the presut of winning roullett play.
Phishalot
I personally don't think self moderation will work sometimes it will but most time it wont like others have said in this thread the thread starter can have his own agenda
Leaving it up to the moderators I think is better idea you need oppositon sometimes just to set one on the straight and narrow opposition can be constructive abuse is not
LS is right this place isnt what it used to be it used to positive vibes hopefully we can get there again I know Victor will do his best
This is most likely what will happen >>> Someone has a thread about whatever. 4-6 other posters who think if they post, it'll be deleted. So, those 4-6 posters go off and start their own sub-thread regarding the original thread. This way, THEY are in charge and not the other way around. Copy/paste back and fourth, nice and safe. Ken
I just remove a post by Arte because i could not get the point he was trying to make.
But maybe you would have get it.
To late.
Was i wrong or right of me to do so?
LS
You don't create balance with censorship.
But i hope we will see Harmonie.
LS
And I rather hope we see harmony as well..
Quote from: Mr J on May 26, 2009, 02:09:10 PM
This is most likely what will happen >>> Someone has a thread about whatever. 4-6 other posters who think if they post, it'll be deleted. So, those 4-6 posters go off and start their own sub-thread regarding the original thread. This way, THEY are in charge and not the other way around. Copy/paste back and fourth, nice and safe. Ken
Hah Ken LOL
Viral thread wars. Any idea spawns four or five bullet proof rebuttals. That's right on the point Ken. I prefer banning anyone that talks as if children aren't near by. Keep the remarks, but ban a person from a thread. If you want to debate then that is one thing. If you want to drag it off topic or disrupt the discussion then that gets you banned from a thread.
What about thread banning?
Quote from: Tangram on May 26, 2009, 06:45:18 AM
I agree. Moderators are supposed to be impartial, and not pursue their own agenda or delete others posts without good reason. I don't know how the self-moderating will go, my feeling is that there will be more new threads. People won't want to criticize because they think their posts will be deleted as "disruptive", so they will go and start a separate thread to do the "disrupting" there. Then if anyone starts to "disrupt" their "disrupting" thread they will delete the posts and this will start a chain reaction. Before we know it the forum will explode. ;D
Ok, maybe that's an exaggeration but you know what I mean. We'll see how it goes.
This seems to be a very accurate assessment of the situation.
I think the members will think twice and be hesitant to post replies, knowing the thread starter/over zealous mod may remove it. People will quickly learn whose thread not to waste their time with. RP
you can never step in the same river twice.. aka this forum is not what it used to be..
bad things are only bad when you make them bad.. except when they really are bad..
anyway.. i think if people were taught how to think.. there wouldn't be problems like this..
i'm seriously not trying to rip anyone off here but i think the majority of people are not taught
how to think especially in the schools.. they are taught there's only 1 right answer in schools.. and most of
the time it's answer c. (statistically my teacher told me to just go with c if i didn't know the answer also the
all of the above and none of the above's are suppose to be mostly the correct answer.. according to that teacher)
some people on this forum have said there is only one truth.. so is light a particle or a wave? or something else..?
some people think they know everything.. or at least they think what they know is right.. no matter what.. the more you think you know the more of a cosmic schmuck you are.. according to the law of cosmic schmucks that is..
you could also translate that into belief system aks b.s. i think too many people have a lot of b.s. in their minds..
just my opinions.. at my current stage of development..
i don't know if this post is off topic or not.. i'm trying to help people think.. so it feels on topic enough to me.. if you disagree.. you can just delete my post of course..
I think the above post hits the target.
Well stated.
Things aren't always what they seem...particles when observed; waves when not observed.
Things are often not what they seem at first glance...
I too like the quantum mechanics analogy. The condescending, arogant, bossy, nasty, and bragging overtones that turn so many off are already waning as Victor and the mods take care of the abusers. While this forum is not what is has been, it is certainly changing for the better. Soon, hopefully, this will just be remembered as a small bump in the road, if at all. RP
I think this is a good thing and will in the end attract posters who really want to contribute to the community.
Even veteran posters here are comfortable enough to tell jokes again, a good sign.
With no moderation (truly uncensored boards) medium moderation (1-man administrator who checks-in when and if he can or moderators who condone at times and let it pass on other times) or heavy moderation (most productive environment, targeting productive users and making disruptors feel unwelcome to the point of wanting to take their disruptive business to a forum with any of the moderation plans above)... Forum diversity is good.
Actually, the more forum diversity, the merrier.
Once there is enough diversity, then it is all a matter of the underlying platform (the most features to facilitate roulette information exchange with the most "goodies" to smooth the progress and improve forum user's experience) or a matter of raw text (some people claim the only thing you need to have a successful forum is raw text in, raw text out; there actually are some text-only message boards enjoying success).
Actually, the key of success lies in BOTH factors maxed-out. If you can gather the most advanced technological forum and create the most productive environment for debate via proper moderation, then that's the key to forum success.
Personally, forum competition motivates me to give our forum more technology. If other forums want to match ours, fine, but there is the will to make it a hard knock. I.e. keeping "homegrown" features proprietary, spending time in developing new ones, coding improvements to current ones. Knowing the roulette community and giving it what it requires to obtain the most enjoyable experience at the time of reading and participating; this is the key factor.
Competition itself pushes to evolve and not just slack on current features, or letting disruptors win over productive users who want to engage in healthy debate, as it happens at uncensored or poorly moderated environments.
Time will tell who is who and who does in fact stand on this forum diversity arena.
In the end, the big beneficiary is the roulette community as a whole.
It is us against the wheel, not us against us.
Kind regards,
Victor