We Have All Done/Do This While Making/Searching for Systems

[rjeaton1]

I have been playing roulette for quite some time now and have been searching for a super effective roulette system even longer.  Still searching by the way.

What this post is about, is something that I just recently started thinking about and have just started testing (with much better results than past systems of mine/others).

So, what have we all been doing/are doing while searching for/making systems?  I have divided (for simplicity's sake) systems into two categories:

Betting Against an Event & Betting for An Event

Most systems that I've seen, read about or implemented rely on betting "against event to continue".  Some examples:

Waiting until a number remains un-hit for 200 spins then betting that number
Waiting until red appears 17 times and betting black
Waiting until 1,2,3,4,5 streets remain un-hit for 10, 15, 20 spins
etc.

While waiting for these events to happen, we have lost hundreds of dollars (not actually money lost, but money not won because we haven't been betting) and then when we finally do bet on one of those rare events (and we're only betting on those rare events not continuing because either we've never seen or never read about an event going past x amount of spins without happening) it turns out that we lose because it CAN go past where we thought it COULDN'T go past.

The people playing these types of systems (myself included) are actually (in my opinion) more likely to LOSE than win.  The reason we're more likely to lose than win, is because for a RED to not hit 17 times in a row (and this is going to sound like common sense, but really think about it) RED must not hit 1 through 16 times in a row first.  So when you finally place a bet on black after red not hitting 17 times in a row you're actually closer to that rare event of 18 misses in a row than you are it hitting black.

Now, the funny part is, we all have a bit of information on our sides.  That information being that RARE events HAPPEN, and they happen ALL THE TIME.  A rare event could be a string of 4 reds in a row, a street missing 3 times in a row, etc.

So, for example and simplicitys sake again, lets say that a street has missed 20 times in a row.  That street is the street that is MOST LIKELY NOT TO HIT FOR 100 TIMES IN A ROW, because it's only 80 spins away from that event happening whereas all of the others are 100 to  81 spins away.  In other words, for a rare event to happen, it HAS TO WORK IT'S WAY THERE.  It doesn't just happen all at once.  Again, I know this sounds simple, but it's a different way of looking at things if you can really apply this idea.

The other thing with rare events is that we have NO IDEA, regardless of past data, how long a rare event will continue.  So this knowledge is considered, in my book, "unnaccounted for".  Meaning, it shouldn't be considered for betting purposes.  That rare event can just keep right on going.  It may be MORE LIKELY to stop at a certain point, but the key word there is LIKELY.

Alright, now for the good news.

We do have factual things to work with.  Those facts are RARE EVENTS WILL HAPPEN.  They always do, and always will. 

This is where the second type of system comes into play:  Betting For an Event

A small example of this would be:  two streets have slept for 10 spins.  Bet every other street for ONE SPIN.  You're betting FOR THE RARE EVENT TO HAPPEN.
This is because we KNOW rare events happen.

See a string of 4 reds in a row?...Bet red for one spin.  Lose that spin?  Wait (WITHOUT BETTING) for the next string of 4 reds in a row and bet red again.  Lose that spin?  Wait (WITHOUT BETTING) for the next string of 4 reds in a row and bet red again.  The reason for this is we know for a FACT that a string of 5 reds WILL HAPPEN.  This reduces the amount of times your money is on the table and you're at least betting for an event that will definitely happen (we just don't know when which stinks, but hey, it's better than an all or nothing "6 bet in a row martingale progression")

This is just an idea and not a system, nor is it something I'm currently implementing.  It's THE IDEA that I'm currently implementing (not the red/black or street thing, just the betting for an event thing)

I'm currently looking for the optimum place to implement this strategy, but my recent (albeit short) testing time is showing much better results.  Probably for two reasons, you're betting more often (because waiting for SUPER RARE EVENTS TAKES AWHILE) and it involves non-continuous betting strings.

The progression might go 1, wait 10 spins, 2, wait 15 spins, 4, wait 3 spins, 8, etc. 

Hope this generates some interest, because I really think this is a good idea.  Let me know.

[rjeaton1]

Here is a real world example of what I'm talking about, not just theory.

I ran a simulation in RXtreme with the following rules:  Track 100 consecutive spins of the wheel and bet on all un-hit number UNTIL ONE WINS using a progression that would always put me at least one unit in profit.  On a win, it tracks a new set of 100 spins, if in those 100 spins there are no un-hit numbers it erases spin one and adds spins 101 (in other words, if there wasn't a betting opportunity it tracked a "ROLLING" set of 100 spins, and on a win, it tracked a whole new set of 100 spins)

I let it run for a total of 83,542 spins.  It placed bets 15,127 times.

Want to know how many of those it won on the first spin after placing bets???

399 times.  :::MODIFIED::: THAT NUMBER IS ACTUALLY 17 TIMES.  Thats it.  So the other 14,728 :::MODIFIED::: THAT NUMBER IS ACTUALLY 15,110 times, the trend of however many numbers that were sleeping at spin 100 CONTINUED for at least two more spins.

[rjeaton1]

Alright, I'm sorry, I sorted the data in Excel wrong when counting how many times it won on the very first spin after placing bets.

The number of times it won on the first spin after placing bets is.....drum roll please....

17 times....

Amazing huh? 

[bombus]

Interesting RJ,

The problem is that the 'rare events' you are focusing on are an illusion, a trick of the eye so to speak.

Example 1) 4-4-4-4-6-6-6, this is surely a rare event and you're not likely to see it ever again.

Example 2)  4-14-22-8-22-3-17, this surely is not a rare event, but you're equally not likely to see it ever again.

Both examples are as rare as each other, we just find it convenient to put pretty patterns into little boxes but they are meaningless really.

Anyway I don't want to put you off this line of study, but you should take this into account.

[rjeaton1]

All that being said, I am now running a simulation where after 100 spins it bets on every single number that ISN'T un-hit.  If there are no un-hit numbers it tracks a rolling 100 numbers until there is at least 1 un-hit and then bets on the other 35 (I'm testing on a no zero wheel).

I'll let you know how it turns out.

[rjeaton1]

Interesting RJ,

The problem is that the 'rare events' you are focusing on are an illusion, a trick of the eye so to speak.

Example 1) 4-4-4-4-6-6-6, this is surely a rare event and you're not likely to see it ever again.

Example 2)  4-14-22-8-22-3-17, this surely is not a rare event, but you're equally not likely to see it ever again.

Both examples are as rare as each other, we just find it convenient to put pretty patterns into little boxes but they are meaningless really.

Anyway I don't want to put you off this line of study, but you should take this into account.

Discount what the actual numbers are and look at things as "events" the actual number is irrelevant in this line of thinking of mine.  For example, 4-4-4-4 (is actually while discounting the number value, just a number appearing 4 times in a row) will happen roughly (on a single zero wheel) 1 time out of 1,874,161 spins.

4-14-22-8-22-3-17 is actually just 7 numbers (any numbers) coming out, with one of them appearing twice.  I don't know what the odds of 1 number appearing two times within seven spins are, but that is an example of "an event".

[Skrizy]

Hi all,

Haven't u guys learned nothing? Why do u keep bashing u're head against the wall?

What doesn't work? and why are u still building systems based on that???

Grow up, learn and see the truth.

Kind Regards,
Skrizy

[MATTJONO]

GREAT POST

Glad to have you around rjeaton1   .

i understand where you are coming from.
i think you will get great ideas from this money managment play - nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/surfing-the-streaks/

mattjono

[rjeaton1]

Hi all,

Haven't u guys learned nothing? Why do u keep bashing u're head against the wall?

What doesn't work? and why are u still building systems based on that???

Grow up, learn and see the truth.

Kind Regards,
Skrizy

Thank you for the valuable input

[rjeaton1]

GREAT POST

Glad to have you around rjeaton1   .

I understand where you are coming from.
I think you will get great ideas from this money managment play - nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/surfing-the-streaks/

mattjono

How funny...

So, here I am reading the post you just recently started "The Smart Way E.C System" (Located here for anybody that hasn't read it: nolinks://vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=10407.0)  and I got to thinking that you might enjoy reading this thread I started as the idea is running along the same lines...in fact, almost the exact same lines but you have added a better twist to it and turned it into an actual system.

So, I go and find this thread and as I'm going down it I find that you have actually posted in this thread!  I had no idea.  I would have sworn that the last time I visited this thread the only people who had posted in it where Skrizy and Bombus.

So, A: I just want to say thanks for the kind words and B: Great job with the system you came up with.  It looks as though you and some others are having good results with it!  (and I am in no way taking any kind of credit for it, I told this story simply because it was pretty funny that apparently you and I were thinking along the same lines)

[Just_Gabe]

Wow rj, those are the same thought I've been having some days ago...for example, if a column hasn't been hit for 5 consecutive spins, why not bet on the active columns?  I've seen countless of times in the Lw tracker, how after 5 w's it is very likely that w's will keep coming, and how after nolinksnolinksL, w's will keep happening all in a row...

Great thinking in there

[MATTJONO]

How funny...

So, here I am reading the post you just recently started "The Smart Way E.C System" (Located here for anybody that hasn't read it: nolinks://vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=10407.0)  and I got to thinking that you might enjoy reading this thread I started as the idea is running along the same lines...in fact, almost the exact same lines but you have added a better twist to it and turned it into an actual system.

So, I go and find this thread and as I'm going down it I find that you have actually posted in this thread!  I had no idea.  I would have sworn that the last time I visited this thread the only people who had posted in it where Skrizy and Bombus.

So, A: I just want to say thanks for the kind words and B: Great job with the system you came up with.  It looks as though you and some others are having good results with it!  (and I am in no way taking any kind of credit for it, I told this story simply because it was pretty funny that apparently you and I were thinking along the same lines)

Only just read this post above today rjeaton1.

Been looking at finding a bet for the dozens along the same lines as the smart way.

keep you informed mate

mattjono

[gizmotron]

Interesting RJ,

The problem is that the 'rare events' you are focusing on are an illusion, a trick of the eye so to speak.

Here are common occurring illusions that you also must keep out of your mind:

All examples are from the three table layout dozens - 1-12, 13-24, 25-36.

1 1 2, 1 1 3, 1 1 1, 1 1 2, 1 1 1, 1 1 3... - first two of each three is 1 1.

1 2 1, 1 1 2, 2 2 1, 2 1 2, 2 2 2, 1 1 2, 1 2 1, ... - 3 is sleeping

3 3 3, 3 3 2, 1 1 1, 1 2 2, 2 2 2, 1 1 1, 1 1 1, ... each dozen is grouping in clusters.

Sometimes the illusion can be confirmed by pretending to take advantage of the fantasy. You might even get to leave the casino with three times your bankroll in pretend money. Then you can pretend you are a winner on a gambling forum. You can even  pay your real bills with pretend money, money discovered by observing illusions on a roulette table.

[hoper35]

This is one case where pretend money is better than real money.

[hoper35]

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