About Roulette Bots...Bad, Good or Indiffernt...All Viewpoints Wanted

[rjeaton1]

I'm going to put my point of view out there on this one.  I'd like to hear everybodys, as long as it is done in a friendly & professional nature.  In other words, no name calling.  Also, if we could keep the names of specific bots out of this thread that would be great.  This thread is for the discussion of bots as a topic, not specific bots in particular.

I've noticed bots are getting a bad reputation.  I feel as though bots are not "evil" or "useless".  If everybody thinks that bots are evil and useless, then so are sytems...but I don't see anybody campaigning to get rid of the Full Systems section of the forum

I mean, all bots do are play the systems put into them.  So, essentially, by having a Full Systems section, we're providing systems that bots can play.  If a person manually plays a system it's alright but if a bot does it is ridiculous?  I don't understand.

If you're saying that bots are bad because they cause you to lose money faster, then we would also have to get rid of all RXtreme scripts.  While they don't play the system for you, they too also allow you to play faster as there is no longer any manual tracking.  Again, play a system slowly and it's alright, but do it quicker and it's evil?  I don't understand.

What I DO agree with, as far as bots getting a bad reputation is this > When the websites they're on/owners that made them make ludicrous claims as to the efficacy of the bot and the millions you'll make.  I'm not going to say specifically as again that isn't what this thread is for.  It is for the discussion of bots as a whole...not specifically.

If a person has tested a system, played their system manually, feels comfortable with their system and then decides to have it programmed into a bot, nothing has changed.

That person is still playing the same system.  They just don't have to be in front of their computer anymore to do it.  They can even set the bot to play at the same speed as a regular human being, playing the system they themselves play...whats the problem here?

As long as no claims are made about the bot being able to increase your ability to win above and beyond what results the system itself gets when played manually,  then no false claims have been made.

This is the one exception to the "no bots specifically rule" I'll allow on this thread (as it is my own) so take all the shots you want at me and the bot I'm promoting if you'd like.  Just nobody else specifically...stick to bots as a topic.

Anyway, I have a banner at the bottom of some pages.  I won't mention the site, but I'm sure you've seen it.  All it does is automate systems people play.  It doesn't even come with a system.  Again, what is the problem here?

If enough of you guys say you'd like me to remove the banner, I will happily remove it.  I just though I was doing the forum a favor (I'm serious...it sucks if you really have a system you like to play to have to sit there and do it manually day in and day out...what's wrong with having your system played for you in the same manner in which you currently play it yourself?)

Anyway, as I said, I'll remove if you guys think I'm doing the forum harm by having it their, as that means the only reason I put it there is wrong...so I'll be left with no reason to have it there.

[Phishalot]

Thanks for the post.

My questions on bots are all the sites I play on have sections in there rules saying if you get caught using a progam to play they will not pay you.  This is why I have never used a bot. I think it would make it easier to win if you could find a long time winnner.

Phishalot

[mistarlupo]

Gentleman, (and ladies, pardon me)

Take it easy, fellas.
I just cannot see anything productive on this board recently.
Some people are being rude to other people, and argue about some ridiculous things all day long (including the bots issues - IMHO, absolute non-sense!) ... Don't you remember that old poster about the similarities between arguing on the Internet and the Special Olympics? Think about it.

Come on, we do not need another GG, or at least I don't!

P.S.
RJ, sorry mate, I just used your topic to say this.
You can remove it, don't worry.

[Proofreaders2000]

I think bots can only effective only on Live Wheels.  IMO you just can't outsmart RNGs (although ThomasGrant and TwoCatSam have had positive experiences with bots).  I would love for RJeaton to prove me wrong on this--and I hope he continues his work.

[rjeaton1]

Gentleman, (and ladies, pardon me)

Take it easy, fellas.
I just cannot see anything productive on this board recently.
Some people are being rude to other people, and argue about some ridiculous things all day long (including the bots issues - IMHO, absolute non-sense!) ... Don't you remember that old poster about the similarities between arguing on the Internet and the Special Olympics? Think about it.

Come on, we do not need another GG, or at least I don't!

P.S.
RJ, sorry mate, I just used your topic to say this.
You can remove it, don't worry.

I've got no problem with this post at all.  You didn't call anybody names, take shots at anybody or any of the other childish things we've all seen done.  This is perfectly fine...in fact, it's appreciated.

Thanks for the comment.

[rjeaton1]

I think bots can only effective only on Live Wheels.  IMO you just can't outsmart RNGs (although ThomasGrant and TwoCatSam have had positive experiences with bots).  I would love for RJeaton to prove me wrong on this--and I hope he continues his work.

Thanks for reading and posting there Proof!  (I'd like to see me prove you and myself wrong, haha  ... I wish I wasnt' so d@mn stubborn, lol)

Anyway, just for the record, this thread isn't so much for posting the efficacy of bots.

More along the lines of "are they bad" or "only for scam artists" etc.  Arguing their efficacy is again, just like arguing the efficacy of a system...because that's all it is...an automated system.


So, are they bad or only for scam artists is moreso what I'm looking for opinions on.  That will also help me determine whether my link was a bad idea (sorry if it was)

So, again are they bad and only for scam artists?  (not do they always lose or win or anything like that.  Simply, are they stupid, idiotic, ridiculous, etc.  I'm only asking because apparently the posting of my link has caused Victor to catch "heat" so to speak.  I didn't want to cause a problem or anything.  I genuinely thought people would like a bot that could automate any system.  But, apparently, a large number of people are saying that bots are only for scammers)

[Stepydan]

Hi rjeaton1 .... and all  

I have read a long time ago in the french roulette forum as well as here that if you have a good system :

• either you play it so you get rich (at the speed the system allows you to go), and you keep your mouth shut so your life experience is peaceful and rich as well
• or else you play it, you are rich or about to be, and decide to give it for **free**, for the very reason **you don't need money**. That does not prevent you from giving it only to people you think deserve it

So if you decide to make money by selling the system, **this alone** is an alarm trigger, because I have yet to see a roulette system franchise. If someone offers to sell a roulette system-bot package like any real world franchise, I would stop and think about it. That would mean the people selling it are so confident you will make money they claim a percentage of what you will make using the system, like "Mac D....", "Qu...", Starb..." etc.

So people that claim their bots are the solution for getting rich (at last !) are good wooers, seducers, marketers (but for bad purposes), or to keep it simple, scam artists. If they had a good system, they would start the bot, instruct it to get them $..... (fill in the blank) each day, period. There is no difference to a wheel or a RNG if you use chips of $ 0.01 value or $25 value. So if your system is that good, play only with $25 or higher so you won't argue you are selling to have multiple income sources because one bot does not get you enough. Give us a break ! Say you have a good system. You run some multiple desktop program so you can have 4 bots running at the same time. Or you rent dummy computers. You set the chip value to $25 and instruct each bot to get you $ 1000 per session. You register to 20 online casinos so you don't play the same 4 casinos everyday. So that makes $ 4,000 a day. Is that not enough ? Are you serious ?

So scam artists sell the package bot+system for the very reason the embedded system is not so good, so not able to get them (enough) money.

I am therefore very cautious regarding so called "bot sellers" because what they sell is in fact bot + (not that good) system(s).

On the other hand, I have the utmost respect for bot coders. They deserve good money for their coding time. And I have nothing against bots alone. They are nothing but tools. What you do with them will be as good as how much you master the field you intend to apply the bot to.
For example, I suck at fixing things at home, beside hating it (except for computers, I can tear them apart and rebuild them with my eyes closed). But I won't blame my screwdriver or my hammer if the shelf falls into pieces.

To sum it up : if your system rocks (and if it can be coded, because it does not much require human intervention), then the bot will do wonders ! Does your system suck ? Use your money and (better) your time to improve it.

Cheers  

Stepydan.

[VLSroulette]

Great points Stepy.

Thanks for elaborating. I like it when you say:

or else you play it, you are rich or about to be, and decide to give it for **free**, for the very reason **you don't need money**.

Working system = the ability to print money. No need to sell that!

[TwoCatSam]

Let's speak of bots that work on DublinBet..........

You cannot speed it up as you cannot speed up Dublin.  Therefore you cannot lose any quicker.  Or win any quicker.  However, you can go to bed and play all night.  

I hope the following scan works.  It goes to show how some people have no vision, no foresight and no imagination.  This is a man, a fellow inventor, speaking of another inventor's vacuum cleaner.  Right click your mouse on the image and click "open in a new window" and you can read it.

Sam

[Number Six]

A hoover is a machine, not a software agent. Say hello to your new neighbour:



The T-888 "clever robot".

[vegas88]

  gotta say charles is rite. they are total b. s. no two ways about it. shame on u

[TwoCatSam]

My viewpoint............

Naturally, unless you have a winning system, no bot is going to help you.  What is a bot?  It's the "hired man" who does your work for you.  He does what he's told.  Now if you take the tack there are no winning systems, then the argument stops here.

Let's assume there is one winning system: Gamlet's "Fire", Mr Chips "4Selecta" or winkel's "G.U.T." to name one.  Let's suppose it is programmed and works.  Now what is the next problem?  Keeping the casino from banning you.

I have spent many hours coming up with ideas on how to program a bot to look just like a human playing.  When I played the G.U.T. and made those movies I watched myself play, saw the things I did and the mistakes I made.  It should be only a small leap of imagination to realize that a bot should do the same.  A bot should perfectly exhibit human behavior and soon it will.  Will this be achieved on RNG?  I doubt it.  This is for the live wheels with real dealers.  That is where the future lies.  

Now the next question is this:  Will the casinos just say you're using a bot because you're winning and ban you?  I mean, how could you prove your not?  So what is the answer?  Play conservatively, not for twenty hours in a row.  In spite of what Gekko said, greed is not good.

Sam

[Spike]

Will the casinos just say you're using a bot because you're winning and ban you?>>>

Why do you assume you'll be winning? You don't even have a winning system. The robot can't play better than you do, I wouldn't worry about the casino banning you, they'll be too busy laughing all the way to the bank..

[rjeaton1]

Will the casinos just say you're using a bot because you're winning and ban you?>>>

Why do you assume you'll be winning? You don't even have a winning system. The robot can't play better than you do, I wouldn't worry about the casino banning you, they'll be too busy laughing all the way to the bank..

Here you say they'll be banning you and laughing all the way to the bank  when you use a bot.  But, in another thread, you said (in reference to trying to use a bot in a B&M casino) "you'll get arrested for trying to use a cheating device like a bot"

[TwoCatSam]

I think we must also ask ourselves this:  If the casinos had no fear of bots, why would some have in their TOS that they don't have to pay if you're using a bot?  Seems to be if all bots loose, then they'd welcome all bot users with open arms.  Perhaps the truth lies in the middle:  Some bots loose and some bots win and the casinos don't want to take the chance.

And......they may just be using that to avoid paying players who have won by luck, systems, voodoo or whatever.  Anything the lets them refuse payment is a good thing for them. 

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

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