Definition of a sleeper(s)?

[Mr J]

This question is in regards to something I am working on and I asked this via email to a friend of mine. What is YOUR definition of sleepers? I can understand the long term answer but what about the short term answer? Lets say I only tracked the first 18 numbers that hit. For the next 20 spins ONLY, perhaps I flat bet on numbers that have not hit. Am I chasing sleepers? Ken

[The Spiders Kiss]

Hi Mr j
Not really I dont think.Cos if the 19th number ago reshowed at postion 20 then it wouldnt be a sleeper would it? (Isnt a sleeper something that doesnt show within its given cycle?)...just my opinion of course.
BTW thanks for bringing good debate back to this forum mate 

TSK

[Mr J]

Thanks, I ask the questions that get people thinking, myself as well. I asked this on 3 different boards, the more DIFFERENT answers we get, believe it or not, thats better. It means we are not all robots. There is math and then there are opinions. I'm not picking an arguement, I'm not saying 2 plus 2 is not 4, I'm only saying that sometimes we can get darn good results from ACTUALLY PLAYING compared to saying "it cant work, therefore I won't play it". WTF? Good attitude.    I'm playing 4 methods now that are WAY AHEAD buuuuut....shouldn't be? Ken

[Davemd]

Hi Ken,

If its working Ken dont fix it,

if you have four method's all doing well for you stick with it m8,

Davemd.

[Mr J]

and to be fair, 2 of the 4 I have been using for a LONG TIME and the other 2 are "somewhat new" but still holding up past the point where they should fail. Could the house of cards come falling down soon? Yep, but thats why I love this game.  The CHALLENGE of someone saying "it cant be done" or "you'll lose it all soon" is why I test for 12 hours straight, testing at 3-5am on many occasions, testing/playing on Christmas, GFs breaking up with me cause I won't take them out...I would rather test/play a sleeper method compared to getting laid, ANYDAY of the week!!!!!!!!!!!!    Ken

[winkel]

statistically all numbers "could" have appeared at spin 60.

I would call a number a sleeper, if it hasn´t appeared til spin 61.
statistically 5 numbers sleep after spin 60.

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winkel

[Mr Chips]

I have always understood the definition of a sleeper is 3 x 37 = 111 spins

Anything below that is just dozing zzzzz 

Mr Chips

[Shorty]

I have always understood the definition of a sleeper is 3 x 37 = 111 spins

Anything below that is just dozing zzzzz 

Mr Chips

This is exactly what I was going to say. 

[The Spiders Kiss]

Hi Mr J.
And do you think you are chasing sleepers in your example?What would be your definition?
TSK

[Spike]

I would think it would be harder to pick 2 active numbers that might go to sleep, than to pick 2 sleepers that will wake up. There are a lot more active numbers than long sleepers and your odds are better.

Say you've got 5 numbers that are long sleepers and 31 that are active. The odds of picking 2 random numbers out of 31 that might go to sleep are far lower than picking 2 sleepers that might wake up.  

Just for fun I took two active numbers (numbers 1 and 2) on RX, and ran them in 150 spin increments for 10K spins and never once did both of them sleep at once. Not that they can't, but I wonder what the odds are of two currently active numbers sleeping for 150 spins at the same time. I'll bet its very high.

[Mr J]

"And do you think you are chasing sleepers in your example?What would be your definition?" >>> I dont think I am in my example. I wanted to get other posters input and hear their definition. My definition? Any unhit numbers past 114 spins I think are sleepers.  Ken

[The Spiders Kiss]

@ Mr J
Thank you...many different answers...any more?
TSK

[Tangram]

It's an arbitrary number but if you take the "degree of certainty" that a number will hit within x spins to be 99%, then x turns out to be 168 spins. ie, it's a sleeper if it hasn't shown within 168 spins.

If you want to be 99.9% certain, the number increases to 252 spins.

[Bo0Merang]

im  sorry  for  this  stupid  question  if   i   understand  well  that  cyklus  it will be 37 spins if a  3  cyklus  not  will be seen  number  which i   hunting   for  that  will be  a sleeper??? just  seein some  number  result and  when  the  number  dont   show  up  more then  60  spins then neighbors  are show  up  wery   often    thank  you

[Bo0Merang]

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