No Memory Betting

[Spike]

We like to say the wheel has 'no memory', and indeed, thats true. Mechanical systems that rely on triggers fail for that reason. They don't take into consideration that random is constantly changing. The only bet selection that works is one that has no memory, like the outcome itself. It doesn't rely on a rigid set of rules, but calls for a unique decision on every bet. When you bet this way, you're always in the 'long run', you're always where the wheel is in terms of the law of large numbers. There can be no 'evening out' of your winning percentage down the line, it remains constant. You're doing what the wheel does, starting over on every spin.

[Carlitos]

................. Spike, show us an example with numbers etc.....








Carlitos 

[Spike]

To do that I'd have to explain my whole method and I can't do that on a public forum.

[bombus]

To do that I'd have to explain my whole method and I can't do that on a public forum.

Here you go...

With enough practice under your belt it becomes quite easy to play the EC's in this manner.

Sit at the table, decide to bet red or black or high or low or odd or even. Say you pick red, now continue to bet red until something happens, like, for instance your balls get itchy.

Give 'em a scratch, then bet something else, perhaps low, now continue to bet low until something happens, like, for instance your pencil lead snaps, or someone brushes against you.

Get a fresh pencil, or push someone away, then bet something else, perhaps black, now continue to bet black until something happens, like, for instance you cough or fart or sneeze.

Excuse yourself or congratulate yourself or wipe your nose on your sleeve, then bet something else....

The hard part is identifying the random bet switching signals from all the other real life noise you will encounter when in session. On busy nights you will be surprised how varied your bets become, just like random.

Practice, practice, practice!

[VLSroulette]

Hey Spike, thanks for starting the thread.

We are always open to the new ones. Ken does open a thread on several forums to get as many points of view as possible.

And that's a good practice

We like to say the wheel has 'no memory', and indeed, thats true.

...while the wheel has no memory, it certainly acts as if it actually does.

The casino actually relies on it "remembering" to take what it gave to the winners, with exact percentages, and they are backing it with their real money for it to remember to keep exact bookeeping of every % spun regarding every betting location. They rely on it to equalize, to keep everything balanced in a close to perfect distribution as spins go by, otherwise it isn't behaving as expected...

A wheel that doesn't "remember" to equalize its values, is not doing its job right  

[Spike]

The hard part is identifying the random bet switching signals>>>

There are no switching signals, thats the point. For every signal you think you see, the exact opposite will appear just as often.

>>Say you pick red, now continue to bet red until something happens, like, for instance your balls get itchy. >>

Its slightly more complicted than that.

[Spike]

They rely on it to equalize, to keep everything balanced>>>

Victor, do you really see exploitable short term equalization in roulette? Long term yes, not short term.

[Marven]

We like to say the wheel has 'no memory', and indeed, thats true. Mechanical systems that rely on triggers fail for that reason. They don't take into consideration that random is constantly changing. The only bet selection that works is one that has no memory, like the outcome itself. It doesn't rely on a rigid set of rules, but calls for a unique decision on every bet. When you bet this way, you're always in the 'long run', you're always where the wheel is in terms of the law of large numbers. There can be no 'evening out' of your winning percentage down the line, it remains constant. You're doing what the wheel does, starting over on every spin.

Nice.

This also applies to VB, as an advantage play method.

The predictions are done on a spin to spin basis. Each time you forget about the last outcome and start all over again, basing your prediction on what is observed at the current spin.

[Spike]

basing your prediction on what is observed at the current spin.>>>

If you're always where the wheel is at, you're always betting in the present. With a mechanical system, it will go to sleep periodically and make you suffer drawdowns that can be painful to recover from.

[Marven]

Yes. That's exactly what will happen if using a mechanical system.

With something like VB, you're watching the ball for a few seconds right after it's been spun, and making certain calculations based on what is happening in that current spin then quickly placing a bet.

Your prediction is based on the study of the physical behavior of the ball + tilted wheel device, besides many hours of practice of course. (more advanced players even consider other conditions such as biometric pressure in the environment at the current time of play, and the way it influences the behavior of the ball within the wheel's ball track, in order to better understand what's going on and adapt their play to it).

[VLSroulette]

Victor, do you really see exploitable short term equalization in roulette?

I have learned -the hard way- in the short term it is better to go with the imbalance/trend than against it.

[Spike]

You mean betting the trend is better than bucking the trend? Sometimes, is a very limited way.

[Jakkalsdraai]

Yes Spike that is a nice thought, following the wheel. I just fail to see at this stage exactly how to follow the wheel if we are not suppose to look at past spins because every spin is a event on it's own and has no memory. Then again what is a trend? We can say red is trending so we bet red. But then it can change over to black and without notice just chop. Are you actually looking at past spins to determine patterns? How else would you do it?

Also what is mechanical? Mechanical is having a set of rules right? And following those rules. Let's say i say ok I would bet for repeats on Odds and Evens. So if Odd is spun I bet Odd and Even is spuns I bet Even. That is mechanical right? So even though I'm thinking I'm following the wheel, really I'm not. Cause I'm just following the last result. I cannot say wait for a colour to streak, then wait for a chop the first double of the other colour bet for it to trend cause the same colour before the chop can return.  So really speaking, I just don't see how it can be done. I would assume that combinations of all the EC's should be the answer. What that answer is i don't know. Anyhow, just as annoying as you can be at times.......actually even more than that am I intrigued. 

P.S. If i send a two-man canoe (one seat for the cheap labour guy to row, and one for you) would you come over here to South Africa and double my 1 000 000 Zimbabwean Dollars? I will even supply the food for the 4 month journy (one way) Mielie pap!

Cheers
Jakk

[Bo0Merang]

To do that I'd have to explain my whole method and I can't do that on a public forum.

if  you  cant   do  it  on  public  send  me  a pm message  im  realy curious i just  last couple weeks   specializing  for even chances just  r b o e  nothing  more and  actualy i  have good  results enough  if the colours and  odds  orr evens  go in series , but if they  break  for  small  non readable  random  part  of  game  then  this  is davastating for  bankrol

[Bo0Merang]

I am also currently working on EC's what sort of progression do you guys recommend?                           WHAAAT???  no progression i talk   about  my  self  but  other  players  maybe not will  agree

[Bo0Merang]

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