HOW TO AVOID A SEQUENCE

[WARRIOR]

If  someone  wanted  to avoid a sequence   or a certain pattern from happening what would you do, its probably a stupid question but what ever.

[bombus]

Hi Warrior.

I like your name!


I assume you mean a bad sequence?

It's a good question with no single answer I think.

Though the obvious one is, walk away.

I'm currently delving deeply into this aspect of the game, and feel that at tmes you will have no option but to dump the bet.

A bit like a poker player folds when he knows it will cost too much to continue in respect to his chances of winning.

The ability to change the direction of the bet mid stream might help avoid the bet dump.

If the sequence continues downward, then dump the game.

Start a fresh one, move tables or re-chart your required spins, whatever.

The game should also be dumped at a certain point after a good sequence, to avoid the almost inevitable bad one that follows.

If the sequence continues downward, then dump the session.

[Bo0Merang]

i  agree with  point leave table some bad sequences  are killers and   becouse it is   random   then  can be  repeat  between  next 20  spins  but  that  dasnt  mean it will be repeat. switch is danger  move  mean  stay  on  that table  switch  with  game ... well  can be done just  play  it with  minium  bet but ....dont want  elaborate  on  this im not   to  much  experieced thats why  i  choose  change table

[WARRIOR]

Thats very intersesting thanks bombus,i was thinking along that line but was not sure .

[kav]

Hi guys,
Interesting question. If you find an answer you found the way to beat roulette.

About leaving the table, leaving the casino or changing the game.
Mathematically, all these measures have no effect.
All too often I read about having a profit target, "don't be greedy", "leave the casino while in profit" etc.
Mathematically this is nonsense.
All these are psychological illusions.

Let's take a simplistic example. You bet on red. So far you have made a profit of let's say 15 units. Now 14 Blacks have come one after another and you are at +1. Now: Either you change table, or you go home, or you start playing a different betting scheme, does not change anything. Because in the next spin, Black has exactly the same chance of appearance as it has in the other table, as it has when you come back the next day, as it has after you switch again you betting scheme to betting Red.
(Going home would have any meaning mathematically, only if you NEVER went to a casino again. And changing bets would have any meaning only if you never bet Red again.)

There is a thing called personal permanence. Some may know what this refers to. I wonder how many (or how few) truly understand its implications.

[Bo0Merang]

Kav  can  you  please specifi  what  is  exactly  personal permanence.  there  is  time   when   game brutaly  change if  someone  who  do  understant  roulette  can  spot  it clearly  and i  dont talk  just  about  colors  then  permanence  can  be  used  ,there is times  when indication  show  the  game will be change but  there is  always  but  for  me  definitly.  maybe  becouse  im  not  understand  couple things  clearly orr  i  have  lees   experience  i  dont  know  maan

[kav]

The concept of personal permanence is a very important and extremely deep one. It has philosophical proportions.
I plan to do an article on it and post it but it has so many aspects it would take a lot of work to analyze it fully.

To understand the concept of personal permanence, first you have to understand and accept the following idea:
Any sets of random spins, taken randomly, from anywhere, from anytime, can form a series of spins, as random as valid as honest and as reliable, as the a series of spins taken from the same roulette wheel. To give an example, this means that if we take randomly spins from different dates, different tables and different casinos all over the world, we can form a series of spins equivalent to a series from the same roulette wheel. This may sound crazy but can be proved mathematically. The key words here are: taken randomly .

One of the implications of this concept is this: Let's say for example, you leave the casino today after playing 100 spins and come back after a month and play 100 spins more. The spins you bet in your previous visit and the spins you bet in your current visit added together (100+100=200) form a series that is equivalent to the series you would have bet if you stayed longer in the first visit and played 200 spins. There is absolutely no difference in expectations.

In very simple terms, Personal Permanence is the series of spins that is created if we add continuously all the spins we have bet in our life until today, no matter when or where.

Like I said, this issue needs more time and work to be fully analyzed, but I hope you got an idea.

(btw, whith this concept we can also show why roulette outcomes are not totally and absolutely independent, but this is a different story)

[TwoCatSam]

kav

I agree with you totally on the "personal permanence".  This is why "hit and run" betting will not work.

I'd love for you to expand on this statement: 

(btw, whith this concept we can also show why roulette outcomes are not totally and absolutely independent, but this is a different story)  My red.

Sam

[Natural9]

Very interesting veiw which i agree with hit and runs systems are a fallicy because if you hit and run one day for 50 spins then hit and run next day for 50 spins it then becomes a 100 spin session because the wheel or cards have no memory 20 little sessions of fifty spins for example equal one session of 1000 spins

If one has a method that works it has to work 24 hours a day at any casino on any wheel The only proviso i would have with a winning method is a stiop loss and stop loss is more for pyscological purposes

Regards Rodney

Warrior I like your common sense to this game but can we make use of it for a potential good method

[WARRIOR]

THANKS NATURAL 9 IM TRYING HAVE A GOOD DAY.Tino

[lucky_strike]

If  someone  wanted  to avoid a sequence   or a certain pattern from happening what would you do, its probably a stupid question but what ever.

Yes and no.
As i see it you could try to play the last pattern of your clustering that has no show when all the other patterns come up.
But we know that nothing is due so you could end up with many attempts where the last pattern that is at sleep appears exactly after all the others have a show itch time.
I don't know how to measuring it.

Cheers LS

[bombus]

Considering the math, and the random nature of roulette, it would be very hard indeed to argue against the concept of personal permanence. In fact, advantage play aside, it's a given.

Even so, I still think it is prudent to make efforts to avoid difficult or unfavourable dispersions.

For instance, if you are betting 6 numbers, then you can bet 6 times to break even. If the first 6 bets lose, should you dump the game at -36 and move on to another bet, or should you press on throwing more money at a losing bet that could go on and on?

[Spike]

is equivalent to the series you would have bet if you stayed longer in the first visit and played 200 spins. There is absolutely no difference in expectations.>>

Its called 'random'. I don't mean to offend, but is this a revelation to you? How could there be a difference if you're dealing with true random. Giving it its own name is a little silly, sorry..

[kav]

is equivalent to the series you would have bet if you stayed longer in the first visit and played 200 spins. There is absolutely no difference in expectations.>>

Its called 'random'. I don't mean to offend, but is this a revelation to you? How could there be a difference if you're dealing with true random. Giving it its own name is a little silly, sorry..

You didn't get it. Read again.

What is silly is your claim that you observe previous spins to decide your first bet.
What spins do you observe, the spins on the table or the spins from your previous visit?
Well it doesn't matter. And if it doesn't matter, this means that you canot make a decision observing previous spins, because different sets of previous spins are equaly relevant to the next outcome.

Please don't bother me again.

[lucky_strike]

I have said it before that there has to be some kind of characteristics or else you can be an blind man who put the chips on the carpet with no thought.
Then the issue is if it exist or not.

Yes it does.

Cheers LS

[lucky_strike]

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