Roulette Raid

[steveh3167]

Hi Clint
If others have a similar observation to mine my way of playing the numbers would be different to yours.

Based on the results I have observed, and their pattern at this early time, I would start betting the generated Solex numbers (from the first set of 10) in the same order they came out in Solex ie if the first Solex number was say 5 I would bet that number on the first spin for the second set of 10 and so on for the remaining spins.

This negates some of the need for a heavy progression as the numbers bet on increase by one for each spin, I would not be betting on 5 or 10 numbers from the first spin. My strategy would be to stop at the earliest of my stoploss position or at 2 wins. I am happy to make a little each time over the least number of spins over the long haul.

If my observations have any merit 2 wins have a good probability of occurring within 7 spins. With more playing, analysing and results it may be possible to play the first spins at low value units and increase them when experience shows that the wins are due. It comes down to your playing style and profit goals.

Regards, Steve

[steveh3167]

TwoCatSam

I have run 17 more games through Raid using some DB numbers JLP has posted in the Actuals thread (the most recent ones).

Results of these are:
1 game no wins
3 games 1 win
9 games 2 wins
2 games 3 wins
2 games 5 wins (repeat numbers included).

If you want to post some of the numbers you are going to test I'm happy to help out with them.

Steve

[TwoCatSam]

steve

I'd love to test this.  I have questions.

1.  A "game" is what? 20 spins?  You input for ten, excluding the first number Solex gives you, and write down ten numbers.  I have:

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10 and these are my "trigger numbers".  I then begin betting.

First bet is 1
Second is 1 and 2
Third is 1 2 and 3.  Is that it?

2.  Do you restart the program or continue on?

3.  Do you realize RR gives a different answer each time you run it?

I will run some numbers and post the actual numbers and what I feel happened or should have happened. 

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

OK, My actuals from Riverbelle:

36
1
21
29
12
20
24
24
33
22

What RR gave me:

11
21
6
30
6
25
23
14
28
14

My next ten actuals:

22
28
6
9
14
32
32
20
15
3
2

I bet 11, then 11 and 21, then 11, 21 and 6 and I get a winner with the six.  Did I do it right?

Sam

[steveh3167]

Hi Sam

The structure as to how to obtain the 10 "trigger" numbers is correct and yes it is 20 spins in total but only the second 10 are betting spins. If you are quick enough to get the 10 trigger spins from the history on a live session then you get to bet sooner.

How one bets the triggers is not a 'hard and fast rule'. It is something that I'm still refining but it is also dependant on your playing style, bankroll and profit goals. You could bet on all 10 from the first spin and use a progression that suits your criteria but a stop loss point may be desirable in this case. It doesn't always follow that the winning spins occur in the same sequence as the trigger spins and this is the part that I'm still working on. For example, the 6th trigger number can come up on the first betting spin. In your numbers, the 9th trigger was a win on the 2nd bet spin. I will source some other live spin numbers to increase the sample size.

You will note in your trigger numbers there are 3 wins -  6, 14 & 28 within 5 spins. You can stop play whenever you wish prior to the 10 betting spins. Personally, I would play for 2 wins but stop at the earliest of the stop loss point or 'x' number of spins. I certainly wouldn't play past 10 spins.  It may also be that stopping once the 7th spin has been played is the end, as with the testing to date, this is the point at which 80% of the wins have occured. This would also be of benefit to a progression strategy. For trigger numbers that are winners it is worth continuing to bet them as repeats do occur.

If continuing, I would generate a new set of trigger numbers that does not use any of the 20 numbers from a prior session. On my little testing of using part of the same spin session to generate the trigger numbers, the results have not been as consistent.

Yep, I'm aware of how RR does give different results using the same data. I guess this works for you just as much as it can against you!!

If the results hold up over further testing then the next step will see how best to capture the near misses in addition to the trigger winners. This might help offset the impact of any progression.

I will be off the air for a couple of weeks from Thursday night (in Australia) as there has been a death in the family and I'll be travelling.

Regards, Steve

[TwoCatSam]

Steve

Thanks for that thought-out reply!!  You know, I did not notice the other two wins.  Duh!

OK, I'm totally up to speed with your last post.  This might be a "once every few hours" play.  Collect ten spins, play, snooze, come back and play again!

I will definitely test this system.

Thanks.

Condolences on your loss.  Pop in when you get back if you don't before.

Sam

[steveh3167]

Sam

Thanks.

Have now got a sample of 100 sessions and will put something together after next week. I do agree that it is not a strategy that is best played continually.

Steve

[Clint]

Hi Steve, very impressed with the win rate on this system (once I understood it) though as expected you will experience a loss from time to time. My concern is we are having to use a 121 unit progression to win over ten spins so as you said, it may be wise to get in quick and run off with your winnings from first 10 spins.

Looking forward to seeing your results.

Regards

Clint

[steveh3167]

Hi Sam/Clint and anyone else interested

I've put the results in an Excel file and will post it in the Members download area later tonight. File name is RRTest.

There are 4 worksheets comprising 2 scenario's, 1 with a breakdown of the RR trigger numbers (to look at their distribution), the 4th is the raw data with the win numbers in red. Anyone who needs a sanity check about the winning number patterns should check this worksheet!!

It needs to be kept in mind that the sample size is small and results will change over time, but a summary is:
- Average number of wins has remained at 2 since the first analysis started and the completion of all data.
- Betting on all 10 numbers for all 10 spins is not an option. There aren't enough winners to be in profit regardless of any progression (Scenario 1)
- The attraction of the number of wins has to be tempered with the fact that they can occur in the first few, or last spins.

Scenario 2 is a betting strategy based on the most favourable RR trigger and bet spin numbers on a flat bet basis. On the sample data all spins show profits at the end of 100 sessions.

I have no expertise in playing strategies for multiple numbers over multiple spins and therefore defer to those with more knowledge and experience.

Am happy to refine the file if need be based on any comments received.

Regards, Steve

[steveh3167]

Does anyone have a view on whether Solex within RR could be used in the same fashion as Sams NewEyes V2 Excel program?

Steve

[steveh3167]

Mr Chips

Yes. There are several playing options to select in RR and the Solex option generates a single number based on user entered prior spins. Some of the other options include a single number generation plus O/E, H/L, Dozens etc.

Steve

[steveh3167]

Mr Chips

Based on posts I have read there seem to be people praising it than disparaging it.

The strategy it suggests is to bet only on the single number it generates after each input of the prior spin result. This is different to Sams NewEyes video which bets on all numbers generated. There is a manageable progression in Solex (I think it is flat bet for the first 18 spins) and wins can come on the first spin (but I think that is pure luck), or the 90th spin. It seems that on average it is between 20 and 40 spins.

No-one knows how it actually works programming wise, and the number of occurrences it misses by a neighbour gets a lot of comments.

The reason I have posed the question is to see if others consider that Solex is for all intents and purposes, the same as Sams NewEyes. Their principle difference is that Sams will always produce the same result for the same numbers entered whereas RR will always generate different numbers if the same numbers entered are re-entered.

Early start tomorrow so off to bed now.

Steve

[TwoCatSam]

I think we're getting a little off my "New Eyes on the Marquee" theory.........

Simply put, you're waiting for 24 numbers to come, as in hermes system, 333.  What if someone sat down at your spin 12 and started playing the same system.  Would he not have different numbers to bet on?  If they work for him, why not you?

My theory is that if you have a 24 number trot, when 25 comes you take out number 1 and you have a whole new 24 number trot.  This is exactly what the Leon Pro 2 Software by Chicco Flash does.

With the 4Selecta, when you hit a couple of Hs in a row on the top, everyone will come to be on the same numbers as they all pause for a minute.

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

Steve

I have studied your chart, but not as much as I'd like to.

As I understand it, this thing shows a flat-bet profit.  Perhaps you can show me where I'm going wrong.

If you bet a unit on ten spins, starting with 1 unit on spin 1 and adding a unit each time, you bet 55 units on ten numbers.  You just add them:

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10.......and that equals 55.  I'm poor at math, so correct me.

If you lose totally, you lose 55 units.
If you hit once, you lose 19 units.  (55 bet and 36 returned; 55 bet 35 + winniner =36)  Correct?
If you hit twice, you win 17 units.  (55 bet and 72 returned;  72 - 55 = 17)
and so on
and so on down to the biggie...
If you hit 4 times, you invest the same 55 units, but 4 x 36 = 144.  144 - 55 = 89.  You say you hit 4 winners 12 times, did you not?  12 x 89 = 1068.  That one figure is more than my two loosing trots. 

How can you say this does not make a flat-bet profit?

My math must be worse than I thought!

Help

Sam

[Clint]

Some way off Steve's suggestion but I have been playing quite well combining the four sector system with Roulette Raid betting on the sector the solex number comes into. I'm a hit and run kind of guy and this seems to hit a good few wins within a number of spins though I prefer 2-3 wins and get the hell outta there. The losses are there although rare but damaging to the BR so getting in and out quickly seems to be the recommended approach.

The advised four sector progression was 8-step and raid will usually hit easily within those bets or one could always wait for a number of misses before beginning the progression.

Feel free to test and shoot me down if need be but as I said, I only play for 2-3 wins at the most per session.

SECTORS                  
                  
Progression   1,1,2,2,3,4,5,7      

A=(0,2,4,15,17,19,21,25,32,34)         Wins         27,18,36,18,27,27,18,27      
B=(6,8,10,11,13,23,27,30,36)            Loss=  -225         
C=(1,5,9,14,16,20,24,31,33)                  
D=(0,3,7,12,18,22,26,28,29,35)            

PS The win amounts are now incorrect as I have added 0 to Sectors A & D.

Regards

Clint [smiley=2/rambo.gif]

[Clint]

-