Can roulette dealers cheat us? How?

[Spike]

So my friends never believe pit bosses when they selling you fair tale
that it is impossible for dealers hitting certain sectors,as thatway they
could be involved with their friends.........IT IS EXACTLY WHY PIT BOSSES ARE THERE
FOR........not cause of us players......BUT TO CONTROL THEIR DEALERS.>>>

Good god... Do you really believe this crap? Why play then, go home..

[Jakkalsdraai]

It is quite obvious how dealers end up in certain sectors and stay there.

To get out they sometimes spin an extremely slow spin or like previously mentioned the wheel speed is accelerated. I think the better dealers do this without much visual difference in wheel speed and "ball spin" speed.

[iboba]

So my friends never believe pit bosses when they selling you fair tale
that it is impossible for dealers hitting certain sectors,as thatway they
could be involved with their friends.........IT IS EXACTLY WHY PIT BOSSES ARE THERE
FOR........not cause of us players......BUT TO CONTROL THEIR DEALERS.>>>

Good god... Do you really believe this stuff? Why play then, go home..

I don't play,spreading my chips over the board,like you stupidly
do,and am there for years now,playing and observing incredible
things dealers can do.And Spike I know what am I about,and you
are one that should stay at home with your play.So many
contradictories in your sayings all over the net.

[WARRIOR]

hats off to iboba you got that right

[gizmotron]

Just to make a reality check visit here. Magical thinking. A lack of knowledge of what happens in randomness is why people try to explain things that seem abnormal. Being able to throw a sector on the wheel, any time you want to, is a poor explanation of normal randomness. The sector hitting like it does is just random selection going into a trend state. All you are doing is attempting to attribute meaning to a trend by saying it's something the dealer is doing. I wish you would think about it. It's not magic. They can't do it any time they want to. They can't do it by accident. All you are doing is having a positive moment of observation combined with a magical thinking moment and having them trend together. If you have real guts you will track all the spins to see if randomness could explain the phenomenon also. Until you can isolate normal randomness from the believed capability you might be at the mercy of magical thinking without confirming it. It's not a capability if randomness explains it as being normal for a typical trend. Try showing yourself that randomness can't explain it. Prove that to yourself.

[Mr J]

"They can't do it any time they want to" >>> I agree.  Ken

[Nathan Detroit]

To concur with Gizmo`s post I would like to add it`s  not what you see, it`s what  you THINK you see .

Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!

[iboba]

When I see a guy sitting next to me,punting
continuously on the wheel sector 8-25...
which is 10 numbers,and can't win a hand in
about 30 or so spins.....THAT IS NOT RANDOMNES
BUT DELIBERATE CHEAT...........Iboba

[Nathan Detroit]

This cat should  know that if you lose 3 times in a row something is not kosher and repair himself to another table.

Here  is when Nathan gets up:

a.) 3 losses in a row.

b.) reached pre-established loss limit

c.)  change of croupier

d.) obnoxious  croupier in need of  attitude adjustment

e.) having achieved  win goal.  


All of those puts  you in the " drivers seat"  


Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!

[bombus]

Random, shmandom.... My friend had a dealer tell his pit boss that he was witnessed pimping in the casino. He got banned, and it took him 6 months of meetings and letter writing to get reinstated. So that "dealer" cheated my friend out of 6 months play time.

The dealer's witness account was bogus; they just fabricated this nonsense because he was winning too much at the time.

Unfortunately for him, he is a bit of a lair, and brought too much attention on himself. He has since learned his lesson and now keeps a low profile when playing.  

[pins]

bet after the ball is spun. if you think they are spinning against you.

[Marven]

The sector shooting debate again...

Here we go:

If you're playing wheel sectors, and:

1) it's only you playing against the dealer, or several players but only you keeps winning.
2) the dealer is a pretty experienced one and the wheel is their 'favorite' one (the one they're most used to).
3) the dealer doesn't spin from the last number hit, but picks the ball, waits a little bit as the wheel is spinning (waiting for his reference number to pass under his hand ) then spins the ball.
4) the dealer knows what sector you're covering before spinning the ball (i.e. you're not placing your bets after the ball is spun).
5) last but not least: the wheel is tilted (causing a dominant drop point: a diamond that receives most of the ball-hits before it goes down to the number ring).

Then maybe.

He won't always hit his target, only enough times to create a harmful edge against you.

If these conditions are met, like pins said: bet after the ball release.


Otherwise relax, the dealer won't influence the results by will.

[iboba]

The sector shooting debate again...

Here we go:

If you're playing wheel sectors, and:

1) it's only you playing against the dealer, or several players but only you keeps winning.
2) the dealer is a pretty experienced one and the wheel is their 'favorite' one (the one they're most used to).
3) the dealer doesn't spin from the last number hit, but picks the ball, waits a little bit as the wheel is spinning (waiting for his reference number to pass under his hand ) then spins the ball.
4) the dealer knows what sector you're covering before spinning the ball (I.e. you're not placing your bets after the ball is spun).
5) last but not least: the wheel is tilted (causing a dominant drop point: a diamond that receives most of the ball-hits before it goes down to the number ring).

Then maybe.

He won't always hit his target, only enough times to create a harmful edge against you.

If these conditions are met, like pins said: bet after the ball release.


Otherwise relax, the dealer won't influence the results by will.

It's all well said Marven mate,
Have seen also players betting after the spin,but have also
seen a dealer puting his hands all over the board...NO MORE BETS...
where the player didn't even punt half of his bets....and here I'm
always talking of playing SOLO or 2 players on the table,not when the
table is full of players.

[Jish]

I have a mate thats a dealer he says he and his mates have competitions to see how many times they can land the ball in 6 number sectors, he said some of the guys are upto the 80% mark with this, so can the dealer cheat us, ofcourse he can.

[Mr J]

"bet after the ball is spun. if you think they are spinning against you." >>> Thats a GOOD rule unless of course you are betting the SAME numbers for long periods of time.  Ken

[Mr J]

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