Signum system EC B&R

[Mr Chips]

Hi Richard, put your cup of tea down for this one!

1   10    B
2   25    R   -1
3   19    R    0    M-1
4   16    R   +1
5   2      B    0    M-2
6   0                           -1
7   32    R   -1    M-3    0
8   32    R    0    M-2   -1
9   24    B   -1    M-1    0
10  2     B    0    000   +1
11  20   B   +1   P+1
12  11   B   +2   000
13  11   B   +3   P+1
14  12   R   +2   000   +2
15  18   R   +3   P+1
16  8     B   +2   P+2   +1
17  14   R   +1   P+1    0
18  30   R   +2   P+2   -1   ch
19  15   B   +1   P+3   -2
20  32   R    0    P+2   -3
21  21   R   +1   P+3   -4
22  14   R   +2   P+2   -3
23  18   R   +3   P+1   -4
24  31   B   +2   P+2   -5
25  35   B   +3   P+3   -6
26  31   B   +4   P+2   -7

I was playing dublinbet again, so I had to think fast a lot.
Only fun money, so no harm done.

I couldn't catch a good pattern, I kept hoping it would turn around.
I guess when there's no clear trends, it's likely more unclear trends will show up.

If you could go over this one, perhaps a lesson could be learned.

Thanks

droidman

WHAT -7 !!!

Yes a difficult session. The way Only1Word handled it was correct. It would be a good idea to make
a note of such sessions for future reference, so as to see how to keep any such losses down to
the minimum loss strategy for this system, which is -3 to -4 units.

[John1234]

Thanks for all of the hard work that you have done...I am working on understanding your system. I play baccarat but sometimes I like to play roulette.  So far I understand how you select the spins and I am confused about a lot of the rules but I will probably figure them out when I have more time...

I have a simple question. How long (time wise) does it take you to play a session? When I play a session of baccarat online it takes me about 90 minutes to complete a session if I decide to play for the entire session.

[Mr Chips]

Thanks for all of the hard work that you have done...I am working on understanding your system. I play baccarat but sometimes I like to play roulette.  So far I understand how you select the spins and I am confused about a lot of the rules but I will probably figure them out when I have more time...

I have a simple question. How long (time wise) does it take you to play a session? When I play a session of baccarat online it takes me about 90 minutes to complete a session if I decide to play for the entire session.

In an actual casino the number of spins per hour will vary of depending on the number of players
at the Table. It should be approx 40 spins an hour.

Signum applies a skipping process, but some of the selections are continuous spins.

On the website there are 20 examples of sessions  the following 4 I have shown the consecutive
spins necessary to complete a session.

A1  42 spins
A2  36
A3  39
A4  37

So roughly an hour is about right, less I should think online.

[John1234]

Ok thank you very much

[John1234]

Mr. Chips:

I am trying my very best to understand your system. I think that I am slowly getting the hang of it. I am going to post a picture of your sessionB with questions that I have. Please correct me where I am wrong. I actually think that I got myself on the right track by taking the time do generate  questions that are attached to your session B.
The most important question is the last one.

[John1234]

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[John1234]

Here Are some questions from session A-1. I am very confused about how you played this session. I will attached the questions. My (e) button is not working right so there will be some typos. If you see a word that is incomplete then chances are that it is missing an E.
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[Bazeegar]

My first attempt...Spielbank Wiesbaden Permanenzen 01.01.2008
Can Mr Chips or somebody have a look?

1              R             
2   B   -1
3   R   -2   P+1
4   B   -3   P+2
5   B   -2   P+1   -1
6   B   -1   OOO   -2
7   B   0   M-1
8   B   +1   M-2   -1
9   B   +2   M-3   0
10   B   +3   M-4   +1
11   R   +2   M-3   0
12   B   +1   M-4   -1 CH
13   R   0   M-5   0  CH
14   R   +1   M-4   -1 CH
15   R   +2   M-5   -2
16   B   
17   B   
18   R   
19   B   
20   B   

I am sure there will be mistakes..pl bear with me

[Bazeegar]

Hi Richard,

In your website while explaining the method you mention "entries". What does an entry mean?

[Mr Chips]

Mr. Chips:

I am trying my very best to understand your system. I think that I am slowly getting the hang of it. I am going to post a picture of your sessionB with questions that I have. Please correct me where I am wrong. I actually think that I got myself on the right track by taking the time do generate  questions that are attached to your session B.
The most important question is the last one.

Before I start to answer your questions, I should make it clear, that I do not want to discourage
anyone from learning how to use Signum, but many of the questions, I have been asked are
explained on the website. The 20 practice sessions in particular are very useful for getting to
grips with certain aspects of the system, which may be difficult to understand.

OK, the explanations I have given are not to everyone's liking. It is a complicated system and if
you take the frustration people have in understanding it and multiply that 10 fold, you will get
some idea of the difficulty I had in creating it in the first place.

I will of course answer all your questions, but please note, the replies I have given in this thread
and the explanations on the website, I consider are sufficient to understand the system and be
able to produce an example of a session.

What I would like therefore is for those who can produce a session to show it here and I or others,
whom I am grateful to will make any necessary corrections and give comments where applicable.
We will then build up a pool of sessions, which I am sure will be very helpful for those who want to
progress in learning the finer points of Signum and appreciate it's performance.

Answers to your questions to follow.

Regards

Richard

[Mr Chips]

John, answers to your questions:

3) Yes -1 to 0 would create M-1
   Yes -1 to -2  would create P+1

4) After a first 0 there is no info to go on. We cannot know at the start of a session, whether it will
be a M-2 or OOO. Later on in the session with a first 0 we have no info, as to whether to expect
P or M to increase or decrease.

5) M-2 has now been established. It could have instead been OOO and a new P or M would have
had to have been created.

7) Correct

8 ) Correct

9) The reason is a -2 would create a new number in the third column. There has not previously
been a -2 and so a -2 appearing would be valid for P, as the requirements of P are duplication
and new numbers, whether positive or negative numbers. It therefore invalidates M and makes
M decline from M-5 to M-4.

13-20  ) The decline for M begins at row 14 and is confirmed at row 15 and the 1 unit loss is
recovered.

What is happening is that M is now in effect in P mode and we can profit from this by betting,
that that it will continue. We know from the results so far, that this is a B Formation session
and therefore there is the expectation, that this will continue, as the session approaches the
20 entry cut off point.

Yes if the decline was temporary, then the expectation would switch to M increasing again.

Further answers to follow.

[Mr Chips]

Hi Richard,

In your website while explaining the method you mention "entries". What does an entry mean?

Entries refer to the number of P or M's including a losing 0 that are recorded in a session.

A session should last a maximum of 20 entries.

I will take a look at your session soon.

[Tangram]

Mr Chips,

I was curious to see how the results in sessions A1 through to E4 posted on your site came out in terms of standard deviation, I know you've "been down this road" and are dismissive of the concept, but the fact is it does give a  standard "score" for any system in terms of how likely it is that the results are due to chance. You may argue that if a system makes profits and continues to make profits, then that is enough "proof", and any theoretical considerations add nothing and are a waste of time. Up to a point, I agree, but it's still useful to be able to quote a single figure, which quantifies the performance of a system objectively, and also enables a comparison to easily made with other systems (even system which are betting on different portions of the wheel).

Also, members like Landis/Herb think in terms of standard deviations. It would be nice to come back with a number in response to their criticism, rather than replying "it makes a consistent profit", or something similarly wooly. Ok, it probably won't stop the attacks, but it will give them one less thing to criticize.  

To use the signum results as an example, there were 254 bets made, with a profit of 49 units. It's not immediately obvious whether this is a good result or not, but the z-score is 3.506, which is very good.

The fact that 254 bets is a very small sample does not change this fact.  

Obviously though, you need to understand what the z-score tells you for this figure to be meaningful. All you really need to know is that it compares your particular system results with those of another "system" which merely bets randomly on the same outcomes. That is, if someone were to randomly bet on R/B 254 times (perhaps by flipping a coin to choose their next bet) the chances that they would get a score of 3.506 is very very small, and this tells us that there is something more than just "luck" involved in your results. Note that the comparison is between your  system results and the average of what the "random" bettor would get (which means he would have played many samples of 254 spins).

I won't go into details here about how to calculate the score (I'll post this in the reference section so that people can use it in a spreadsheet), but the basic "benchmarks", roughly speaking, are as follows:

z-score of 1.0 - there is a 16% chance that your results are due to luck - keep trying!
z-score of 2.0 - there is a 2.3% chance that your results are due to luck -  you may be on the right track!
z-score of 3.0 - there is a 0.13% chance that your results are due to luck - you should be getting excited!

Any higher than 3.0 and it will be increasingly unlikely that luck is a factor at all. If the more bets you place, the higher the score becomes, then you definitely have something.

I know you're planning to put your results on the web site (I see you already have some there), and I would be quite interested to keep track of how the z score changes. It should steadily increase, assuming you keep making profits. I will do this, but in addition to the profits I will also need the number of placed bets (each entry in the 4th column counts as a placed bet). If you could make a note of this I will post the updates here (or you can put them on your site if you like).

[Mr Chips]

John, reply to questions part 2.

row 6,  yes

row 7,  if you think about the reply I gave in the first lot of questions, M decline and was in effect
in P mode

In row 6 P has declined. We of course don't know for how long, but until there is a change, then
we must assume it will continue.

row 8  yes

row 9  as previously stated P is in decline ( in M mode)

row 10  I have included this, as it is at an interesting stage of the session. This is really not a good
decision ( I am criticising myself here lol), as there has not been any previous indication, that P is
going to collapse to OOO. If the decline had started at possibly P+4 or certainly P+5, then yes I would
have expected P to collapse.

rows 18 - 21  it is not so much as betting for P, as the important consideration is the trend of P+1,
P+2, P+3. It has not gone above P+3. This piece of info occurs many times in Signum sessions and
is a valuable piece of info, and as ssen in this session it has produced a nice profit of +8 units.

[Mr Chips]

My first attempt...Spielbank Wiesbaden Permanenzen 01.01.2008
Can Mr Chips or somebody have a look?

1              R             
2   B   -1
3   R   -2   P+1
4   B   -3   P+2
5   B   -2   P+1   -1
6   B   -1   OOO   -2
7   B   0   M-1
8   B   +1   M-2   -1
9   B   +2   M-3   0
10   B   +3   M-4   +1
11   R   +2   M-3   0
12   B   +1   M-4   -1 CH
13   R   0   M-5   0  CH
14   R   +1   M-4   -1 CH
15   R   +2   M-5   -2
16   B   
17   B   
18   R   
19   B   
20   B   

I am sure there will be mistakes..pl bear with me

You  will find it easier to set out a session using  table=, all in square brackets and to exit /table all in
sqare brackets. Then Row,B or R, etc.+1,

[table=,]
Row,B or R,+/-/0,P or M,Units
1,R,,,
2,B,-1,,
3,R,-2,P+1,
4,B,-3,P+2
5,B,-2,P+1,-1
6,B,-1,OOO,-2
7,B,0,M-1
8,B,+1,,
9,B,+2,000,-3
10,B,+3,P+1
11,R,+2,P+2,-2
12,B,+1,P+1,-1
13,R,0,OOO,0
14,R,+1,P+1,
15,R,+2,OOO,-1,check
[/table]

In row 7 after the 0 we wouldn't kow whether to bet on Black or Red.

In row 8 there is +1 and as M is new the expectation is that it will continue to M-2.
Unfortunately a +2 in column 3 made it collapse as 0 was wanted and a bet on Red.

There are 12 entries so far, if you like to continue I or someone will have a look at it.

You have made a good start.

[Mr Chips]

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