I Am Taking Up Steve Hourmouzis' $100,000 RNG Challenge

[Pactole]

I really beleive that I have found a Holy Grail.

It took me two and a half years to come up with this
system.   

I started playing roulette in the summer of 2007.

So if you're interested to discover what
happens to my endeavour, successful or not, follow the thread
in the RouletteForum. net in the Roulette Challenges Section.

Regards,

[poxet pool]

Good luck pactole...no checks...cash only...

[Jish]

What is the challenge?

[arthur john jr]

As far as the $ 100 000 challenge is concerned send me a copy to boettcher. arthur@gmail. com and if your system or strategy is better than mine I will say so otherwise I am prepared to take up the challenge myself.

Theoretically every single system or strategy on the market should be up to such tests.
I believe I have a brand new winning idea that has never failed on demonstration money tests but will not
waste Steve Hourmouzi's time if somebody else has something better. Also my claim is not bogus but real ,
if I have overlooked something in the "test of time" I will be the first to admit it , however my initial paper and calculator and internet Random Network Generator (RNG) tests have never , not even once failed to win in one cycle.
And for the record my yes is my yes and my no is my no.

I believe I have been lucky enough to have a friend that has been schooled in depth in lateral thinking methodology
and although his IQ range is quantum leaps higher than most Mensa members , and he is substantially more intelligent than I am , I do believe I have picked up a few pointers on the way of reasoning and thinking on at
least some subjects.

My idea has a bit of mathematics and calculations involved but can be used on every single number for a net profit on any number of spins.  Unless you have something better , or unless scores of contributors that claim to have the
"holy grail" have something better it deserves an audit , if not by other "holy grail system claimers" together with details of their "holy grail " systems than by top applied mathematics Universities such as the Cambridge facility.

In all fairness my idea has not been tested in live play in land based or sea based casino's or live video play but
does work on every single "fun" or "demonstration" money roulette sites No Zero Roulette and European Roulette
I have tested it upon with table spreads of 1-100 units and total table limits of 300 units.

In all fairness some sites quote Albert Einstein saying it is impossible and others with years of experience regard
it as impossible (or they have at least extreme scepticism) in the long rong.

Other sites point out that brand new ideas , easy to execute or at least relatively easy to execute to all Mensa members or persons with an inhereted numbers ability , happen about once every 50 to 100 years.

I do not know the in depth workings of the person on this forum systems or strategies that claim to have 2
"holy grail" systems and one semi.  I also don't know yours.  At least one other member might be onto
something with a few thousands of spins indicating a definite possibility while others claim that US $ 500 is
by implication a joke.

It is for this reason that it will be beneficial if every single system on the planet can be tested in such a similation
for a comperative study result and the findings published in details on a forum such as this forward thinking one.

In my opinion it is possible to make 37 chips profit from one wheel 37 spins on average in one hour with a very little capital outlay.  On a recent question and answer about what the chances is in one hour on yahoo answers I put it very concervatively on 2 chips per hour as I have not done a billion spins test like the one you are partaking in.

However there is a lot of factors to be taken into account and as the spread is $ 1 - $ 500 , it also depends on the
table limit on my final submission.

If every single potential or claimed "holy grail" or principle can be tested simultaneouesly it will be highly beneficial potentially for at least some forum members.

I am of the uttermost opinion that the quest for the "holy grail" of roulette is a science with specific scientific principles behind it.

In the same way as the "Wright Brothers" discovered flying , and some of the specific principles was later strongly and greatly improved , I am convinced the same apllies here.

What I am proposing is that the study of strategies and systems should be taken up as a science , such as the relaxed roulette system play all day site has done at least some initial research on as a starting point together with scores of others. Such results can then be published by members on the forum and even as new researched knowledge of mankind on Wikepedia.

In all fairness it is true that many patrons claim that "fullproof systems" seemed to work brilliantly on demo money and has been a total disaster on real money.  But what if I am right ?

kind regards

Arthur John Boettcher Jr
e mail boettcher. arthur@gmail. com
Pretoria
South Africa
 
e-mail boettcher. arthur@gmail. com

[cheese]

>>his IQ range is quantum leaps higher than most Mensa members >>

His name isn't James Wendel, is it?

[arthur john jr]

from Arthur John Boettcher Jr
Pretoria South Africa
e mail boettcher. arthur@gmail. com

Thank you for the e -mails and sugestions I have received sofar.
Here is my analysis why some "holy grail claims" is judged , and how it rates in my opinion compared to my strategy.


Here is my analysis of some of "the holy grail" claimed systems passed on to me , and why I believe it is not the "holy grail"
although in some instances some of the principles behind it might be an integral part of the "holy grail"


CLAIMANTS
ROULETTE DEALER NUMBER 1

Roulette dealer best systems
Roulette dealer number 1
CLAIM NUMBER 1
METHOD 1
QUOTE FROM A YEARS OF EXPERIENCED ROULETTE DEALER:

As an experienced roulette dealer for many years I've seen many systems used but there are two that have yielded results from what I've seen.  The first is to bet in 2 columns each spin (those are the dozens btw).  This way you have a better chance of winning than losing because your odds of winning are 2 to 1 and I've seen many people win a small fortune this way.  However if you lose you lose double so it kind of balances it out.  And 0 also loses regardless.  But of all the systems this one has yielded some of the best results.

MY ANALYSIS OF CLAIM NUMBER 1
I do not sidpute that certain patrons "knowing the dealers spins certain sections" resulting that 1-12 and 13-24 or else 13-24 and 25-36 or else 1-12 and 25-36 comes up more often during "short term patterns" with cetain dealers.

Certain patrons has claimed to win a small fortune over the years at land and sea based casino's with this method while other s have lost with it.

Unless you play at a VIP Table with high Number Money Cash Chips on it (THIS MEANS THE TABLE MUST BE BUSY) and you must not be abusing the VIP Section with too much alcohol in your system , this system will fail for many patrons.

I also cannot see that it will work unless you are working in pairs or three's because if you need to leave the table for the minute or few minutes somebody needs to keep your place at a busy table or it would be grabbed quickly.

Although the casino will know what you are up too , unless it is a high stakes table with lots of value on it , there will be no
incentive for the casino not to spin you off the table (on a busy table they will loose millions trying to spin you off , thefor
they will leave you alone as the lesser of two evils while you are slowly but consistantly cashing in)

Why this method has made thousands for at least some patrons is because in the essence you are BETTING WITH THE CASINO AGAINST OTHER PATRONS

Patrons that has used this method for years claim they make 2 : 1 when profits and losses is calculated.
Because you loose 2 units/chips if you loose adn win 1 unit/chip if you win what they are actually saying as that
JUST LIKE THE CASINO THEY MAKE 4 : 1 AND NET 2 : 1
ONCE THEY ARE 2 : 1 UP THEY LEAVE THE TABLE

However for some patrons , not able to pick up short term patterns on a consistant basis this methodology has failed

Mathematecally this method is uttermostly unsound , deemed to fail on the long run and in the favour of the casino
except No Zero Roulette where the long term odds between the Casino and Patron is mathematically equal

My further criticism of the method is the long hour sessions from 2 hours up to 16 hours it normally requires to work
Unless someone has extreme dissipline it is bound to fail

Further the number of opportunities (Extremely busy weekends on extremely busy days on VIP Section Wheels)
is limited.  This is an extreme flaw

Further to get a seat initially at a very busy table is also extremely difficult and long waiting

Further not all patrons has somebody to take with to hold their chair

The most important criticism is too fold , it does not work in the long run for all patrons and is mathematically due to be in the casino's favour

Furthermore it cannot be done with such ease at home on the internet online RNG casino's

COMPARISON TO MY SYSTEM AND WHY MY SYSTEM IS BETTER

This system will only work in certain conditions and at certain times for some players
My strategy will work on all No Zero Roulette and European Roulette Tables with 1-100 spreads and table limits of 300 and upwards
Mathematically my system will lead to a profit while this system will fail
I do not dispute the fact that casino's spins by trained dealers (and irrespective of what they will tell you) is based on 2 principles:
Principle number 1 :
Always spin in the favour of the casino over the longer run of one day
Principle number 2 :
Allow patrons to temporary "win" with their systems and strategies , even quote a few times.  Thereafter "spin"
them off the table.  Net Result : The casino wins and odds is odds .  That is it
Therefor I make the claim that casino live dealer results is not the basis of mathematics alone , but manipulation in the
favour of the casino , which the STANDARD DOZENS SYSTEM PLAYERS has picked up upon and used/abused/manipulated to their favour severely over the years.  THEY ARE ESSENTIALLY USING THE CASINO'S OWN
WINNING FORMULAE AGAINST THEM AND OTHER PLAYERS.  But it does not work for all patrons , and in most cases the odds stay the odds , the system is mathematically unsound against the player and strongly in the casino's favour (at least mathematically) in the test of time

This system will in my opinion uttermostly fail a billion spins test and will show a loss.
I predict that based on initial tests my will succeed (unless I have overlooked something) because the mathematics is positive in my favour while this system is negative.

Mathematically my system is strongly in my favour while this system is strongly in the casino's favour.
Therefor I claim my system is better than this alledged holy grail and in fact quantum leaps far better ,
except this system can be used on 1-20 spreads (for e. g.  US $ 100 - 2000) and mine on 1-100 spreads.
This system can used also on American Roulette while mine is substantially better suited for No Zero Roulette or
European Roulette (and by implication French Roulette also included)

MY NET CONCLUSION ON CLAIM NUMBER 1

CLAIM NUUMBER 1 , KNOWN BY VARIOUS NAMES INCLUDING STANDARD DOZENS SYSTEM ROULETTE HAS DEFINITELY WORKED FOR SOME PLAYERS , BUT FAILED FOR OTHERS AND IS THEREFOR NOT THE HOLY GRAIL.
MATHEMATICALLY THE ODDS IS ALWAYS IN THE FAVOUR OF THE CASINO AND ODDS IS AND STAYS ODDS.

CLAIM NUMBER 2

METHOD 2

CLAIMS FROM A YEARS OF EXPERIENCED ROULETTE DEALER

The second system which I've seen is more skill based and requires finding a dealer who spins the exact same way each spin with little variance.  This spinning technique is called section spinning whereby each spin the ball will land about 5-6 numbers away from the last number they've spun.  If you know the number count on a roulette wheel you can simply bet around the last number.  This system requires a lot of walking around the various roulette tables and sussing out a dealer who spins consistently and also knowing how to count in roulette numbers.  The downside of this is the newest John Huxley wheels counter this a bit and also when the ball begins to bounce around it introduces a great deal of chaos and unpredictability so every so often the ball will land somwhere totally off-whack.  If you ever find a dealer who spins lots of doubles or even triples then I suggest you bet heavily around his numbers.

There is no full proof system however due to the large level of chaos and unpredictability in both chance and the bounce of the ball.  These are only the two best systems I've encountered. 

MY ANALYSIS OF CLAIM NUMBER 2
Very difficult to execute due to time constrains , and the necessarily to be at the casino.  Depend largely on extreme alertness , a lot of wasteful time and a bit of luck most of the times

COMPARISON TO MY SYSTEM AND WHY MY SYSTEM IS BETTER

On the short term this method may show a profit , but is not sustainable in the long run.
Mathematically this system is uttermostly unsound while mine is sound
I do not dispute that alert players may be lucky enough to temporary abuse a temporal pattern in their favour.
But just like other systems , once the casino "click on " to what you are up to the casino will spin you off the table,
odds will become odds and the net result is you loose and the casiono win.

Mathematically my system is strongly in my favour while this system is strongly in the casino's favour.
Therefor I claim my system is better than this alledged holy grail
This system is limited in the time and number of spins it can be executed.
My system makes money on every spin and does not depend upon "extremely exceptional conditions to be right for execution"


ROULETTE DEALER NUMBER 2

PARAPHRASED CLAIM FROM ANOTHER YEARS OF EXPERIENCED ROULETTE DEALER:
In my years as a roulette dealer I have first handed witnessed scores of different roulette betting strategies and/or systems
and every single one has failed for the gamblers and has winned for the casino.  But there is one which has been different ,
which "seems" to win for the gambler.  To be honest it is very difficult to tell a gambler his system does not "work" when he walks away with two thousand dollars of my employers money away from the table.

bet on American Roulette
CLAIM NUMBER 3
Methodology Number 1

bet US $ 75 on 1-18 odds 1/1
bet US $ 50 on 25-36 odds 2/1
bet US $ 10 on 0 and 00 odds 17/1

Win US $ 15 on 1-18
Win US $ 15 on 25-36
Win US $ 45 on 0 or 00
Loose US $ 135 on 19-24

CLAIM NUMBER 4
Methodology Number 2

bet US $ 75 on 19-36 odds 1/1
bet US $ 50 on 1-12 odds 2/1
bet US $ 10 on 0 and 00 odds 17/1

Win US $ 15 on 19-36
Win US $ 15 on 1-12
Win Us $ 45 on 0 or 00
Loose US $ 135 on 13-18

MY ANALYSIS OF CLAIM NUMBER 3 AND 4
Mathematically it is uttermostly unsound and strongly in the favour of the casino , although it may temporary on the
short term "appear" to be in the gamblers favour
Will fail the billion spins test severely


COMPARISON TO MY SYSTEM AND WHY MY SYSTEM IS BETTER
My system , based on mathematics is sound , while these system are a failure.
Both systems 3 and 4 is not the holy grail and any claims in this regard is bogus


CLAIM NUMBER 5
ACADEMIC NUMBER 1

The following is an example of several versions of dozens number manipulations
   
Waiting

Let's assume we know how many spins a location will go without showing. . .
We form a progression to handle "x" number of spins, then play only when we
have reached a point where we know we will win.
(of course this is a 100% win system, the problem is that a losing streak may and could
go beyond the limits we have as data)

This is all of the 2:1 bets for 100,000 spins combined into one chart.
(all 3 dozens and all 3 columns)


COUNT
   SPINS
1
   63,126
2
   42,515
3
   28,954
4
   19,584
5
   13,177
6
   8,788
7
   5,966
8
   4,066
9
   2,775
10
   1,874
11
   1,234
12
   850
13
   587
14
   354
15
   241
16
   183
17
   130
18
   85
19
   56
20
   41
21
   21
22
   18
23
   6
24
   6
25
   5
26
   2
27
   1
28
   0
29
   2
30
   1
31
   0
32
   1
33
   0
34
   1


We can see from our data that 34 spins was the max that any 2:1 location failed to show.
It happened only one time.

Now, what is the longest possible progression we can make for a 2:1 bet location ?
Well, this all depends on the casino's table limits.
But let's work with something to use as an example :

$5. 00 minimum bet with $1,000. 00 max bet.
(most casinos vary this min and max so if your building a progression for where you
play, you first need to know these limits)

In order to profit from each spin when it wins, you need to bet the following
progression :



Spin
   Amount
   Win
   Loss
1
   5. 00
   +10. 00
   -5. 00
2
   5. 00
   +5. 00
   -10. 00
3
   6. 00
   +2. 00
   -16. 00
4
   9. 00
   +2. 00
   -25. 00
5
   13. 00
   +1. 00
   -38. 00
6
   20. 00
   +2. 00
   -58. 00
7
   30. 00
   +2. 00
   -88. 00
8
   45. 00
   +2. 00
   -133. 00
9
   67. 00
   +1. 00
   -200. 00
10
   101. 00
   +2. 00
   -301. 00
11
   151. 00
   +1. 00
   -452. 00
12
   227. 00
   +2. 00
   -679. 00
13
   340. 00
   +1. 00
   -1,019. 00
14
   510. 00
   +1. 00
   -1,529. 00
15
   765. 00
   +1. 00
   -2,294. 00
16
   1,148. 00
   +2. 00
   -3,442. 00
17
   1,722. 00
   +2. 00
   -5,164. 00
18
   n/a
   
   
19
   n/a
   
   
20
   n/a
   
   
21
   n/a
   
   
22
   n/a
   
   
23
   n/a
   
   
24
   n/a
   
   
25
   n/a
   
   
26
   n/a
   
   
27
   n/a
   
   
28
   n/a
   
   
29
   n/a
   
   
30
   n/a
   
   
31
   n/a
   
   
32
   n/a
   
   
33
   n/a
   
   
34
   n/a
   
   


Our data shows us (with these limits). .

We need a bankroll of 5,164. 00 and we can stretch the progression to a max of 17 spins.


This means, we can play these 100,000 spins and not lose - so long as we
start after a 2:1 location fails to show for 17 straight spins, then use our progression.

The results ?

Horrible (in a nutshell)


Count
   Spins
   Win amount
   Total
1
   63,126
   no bet
   0
2
   42,515
   no bet
   0
3
   28,954
   no bet
   0
4
   19,584
   no bet
   0
5
   13,177
   no bet
   0
6
   8,788
   no bet
   0
7
   5,966
   no bet
   0
8
   4,066
   no bet
   0
9
   2,775
   no bet
   0
10
   1,874
   no bet
   0
11
   1,234
   no bet
   0
12
   850
   no bet
   0
13
   587
   no bet
   0
14
   354
   no bet
   0
15
   241
   no bet
   0
16
   183
   no bet
   0
17
   130
   no bet
   0
18
   85
   10
   850
19
   56
   5
   280
20
   41
   2
   82
21
   21
   2
   42
22
   18
   1
   18
23
   6
   2
   12
24
   6
   2
   12
25
   5
   2
   10
26
   2
   1
   2
27
   1
   2
   2
28
   0
   1
   0
29
   2
   2
   4
30
   1
   1
   1
31
   0
   1
   0
32
   1
   1
   1
33
   0
   2
   0
34
   1
   2
   2


This gives us a grand total profit of +$1,318. 00

This equals a profit per spin of +$. 01318 (about a penny and a third) per spin.

Now, this took a bankroll of $5,164. 00 to achieve, and after 100,000
spins - we are only ahead $1,318. 00



Sadly, to build a "perfect" progression, and be almost assured that will not fail
(and it could). . .  we reduce our profits to such a point that this isn't worth the effort.

Note also, this is just 100,000 spins - it's possible that the next session will produce a
sleeper of over 34 spins - and a loss of a bankroll of 5. 1k
And - table qualification means that we are possibly waiting for a massive number of spins
while we wait for the table to qualify.

In closing, to make a perfect progression that is very close to un-losable, we can expect
at best 1. 3 pennies of profit per spin.

Any ideas, please post at this sites forum, VIP or GG message boards.
Hope the info is usefull and makes us think about our approach to betting and
the "holy grail" - If anything is taken from this, please remember that the Holy Grail
(when found) will produce only the smallest of possible returns - rendering it worthless.



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MY ANALYSIS OF CLAIM NUMBER 5
Mathematically in the uttermost long run it is unsound and odds is odds , although short term profits is possible
In the short term profits may appear.  Once a long enough negative run happens it will fail.

COMPARISON TO MY SYSTEM AND WHY MY SYSTEM IS BETTER
Claim number 5 will fail on a billion spins test because it is mathematically unsound in the test of time.
It depends entirely upon being lucky enough not to have a bad run.  Once a land or sea based or internet live based
casino figure out what you are up to they will wipe you off the table , odds will become odds and odds stays odds.
This system is not the "holy grail" and several versions as a theme upon this one in the market place is also not the holy grail because for the simple reason it is mathematically unsound.  With this system , like the uttermost severely majority of systems and strategies on the planet , the odds and mathematical change factor is in the favour of the casino. 
This Claim number 5 is not the "holy grail" and any claims in this regard is bogus.  I however do not dispute it will work in the short time.  However , the odds against the player , by substantially increasing the factor of spins consideration might definitely work on the short time with highly advanced roulette programme software.
However , for the simple mathematics reason , on the long run it is unsustainable and not the "holy grail"
With my system the mathematics is in my favour

ACADEMIC NUMBER 2

CLAIM NUMBER 6
VERSION 1

Wait 3 times for red or black to come up
play alternate and double till win
repeat cycle from the beginning

CLAIM NUMBER 7
VERSION NUMBER 2

Wait 5 times for red or black to come up
play alternate and double till win
repeat cycle from the beginning

CLAIM NUMBER 8
VERSION NUMBER 3

Wait 7 times for red or black to come up
play alternate and double till win
repeat cycle from the beginning

CLAIM NUMBER 9
COMPUTERSOFTWARE ROULETTE BOTPRO AND/OR SNIPER
VERSION NUMBER 4
Play very quickly a lot of spins on automated with specially adapted computer hardware/software/connections etc.
A lot of spins (as many as possible in the quickest amount of time)
Do not bet on any of the spins but repeat until the range comes up
Wait 16 times for red or black to come up
Play alternate and double till win
repeat cycle from the beginning

MY ANALYSIS OF CLAIM NUMBER 6 , 7 , 8 and 9
A well known professor from Germany is marketing one version of this different claims and claim several patrons that has had over the short term substantial success in certain casino's with it.  Others marketing computer software has claimed
systems like roulette botpro and sniper with success rates over the short time in certain casinos.

I do not agree with them.  Mathematically these claims , although they might "appear" to work over the short time is unsustainable over the longer periods of time.  All of them will fail a billion spins test and completely wipe out a very large bankroll of the table in the casino's favour.  I do not dispute the illusion that it might work temporary in certain conditions and at certain times at certain casino'.  However , the amount of capital after each loss is doubled , and once enough losses happens in a row (both experienced dealers and players will confirm it does happen from time to time together with computer similation specialists) it will make odds the odds it is.  Net result the casino wins and you loose

None of these systems and or strategies is the holy grail.  Also none of the many versions , additions and theme play upon it is the holy grail.  Absolutely none of them.  However , as an illusion incentive , to play around with the minds of the player victims , it is in the advantage of the casino's to let this extremely strong dilution appear if it is real.
All of these claims will severely unto the uttermost degree fail the billion spins test.

COMPARISON TO MY SYSTEM AND WHY MY SYSTEM IS BETTER
At every spin , mathematically the odds is in my favour with my stategy compared to the claims that is in the casino's favour.  The only exception to the rule is no zero roulette where the odds is theoretically equal.

CLAIM NUMBER 10

THE "BARBI UNBEATABLE SYSTEM CLAIM"
VERSION 1
(VERSION 2 is just the MIRROR opposite of VERSION 1)

LEVEL 1
BET US $ 2 ON 1-12 odds 2/1
BET US  $ 2 ON 13-24 odds 2/1
BET US $ 1 ON 25-30 odds 5/1
(potential profit US $ 1 on 1-30 if win ,
potential loss US $ 5 on 31-36 and 0 if loose
is carried over to Level 2)

LEVEL 2
BET US $ 12 ON 1-12 odds 2/1
BET US $ 12 ON 13-24 odds 2/1
BET US $ 6 ON 25-30 odds 5/1

(potential profit US $ 1 on 1-30 if win .
(net profit level 1 loss included in net calculation)
potential loss US $ 35 on 31-36 and 0 if loose
is carried over to Level 3)

MY ANALYSIS OF CLAIM NUMBER 10
Will work over the short time temporary , but not the holy grail because the mathematics always stays in the favour of the casino.  Will fail a billion spins test.

COMPARISON TO MY SYSTEM AND WHY MY SYSTEM IS BETTER
At every spin , mathematically the odds is in my favour with my strategy compared to the claim 10 that is in the casino's favour. 

CLAIM NUMBER 11
VERSION 1 , 2  , 3  ,  4 and  5

LEVEL 1

Version 1
Wait for 2 numbers to be spinned twice in a row

Version 2
Wait for 2 numbers to be spinned 3 times in a row using Computer Advanced quick spin and Alert software

Version 3
Wait for the 3 numbers of a box alone with No Zero Roulette , 3 numbers of a box and zero with French and
European Roulette and 3 numbers of a box with 0 and 00 with American Roulette to appear 4 times in a row
Normally highly advanced computer software will be used

Version 4
The same as version 3 but 5 times in a row

Version 5
The same as version 1 on level 1 and the same as version 2 on level 2

Net result action for version 1 - 5
Bet 1 unit on 11/1 Boxes and include all the boxes except the one
in which the 2 numbers lie

For instance on a Pounds table with 0. 50 Pounds as the least amount
put 0. 50 Pounds on all the alternate Boxes for a total Table Layout of
5. 50 Pounds

If a win occurs on any of the 11 boxes a net profit of 0. 50 pounds result
If loose carry 5. 50 loss over to the next Leve1

LEVEL 2
The same as level 1 for version 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 and 5

Net result action for version 1-5

The carry over loss from level 1 to make a profit is 5. 50 pounds
Bet 6. 00 pounds on 11 alternate boxes

Win 0. 50 Pounds if win
If loose loose net 71. 50 pounds

MY ANALYSIS OF CLAIM NUMBER 11
Mathematically the closest to perfect for the player I have yet found , especially in the case of no zero roulette.  However no zero roulette with large table limits is hard to find and the odds stays in the favour of the casinos with American and European Roulette.  However I am the first to point out , in the theoretical attempts at Universities such as the applied Mathematics facility at Cambridge , this might be a step in the direction of designing better systems compared to others , although it does not qualify as the "holy grail" because it will fail a billion spins test.  Version 5 is the best to limit the inhereted weakness of numbers not coming a lot up combining it with the maximum amount over the short term of casino odds and manipulating it in the favour of the player.
Of all the attemted "holy grail claims" version 5 of claim number 10 is the only one that at least partially impresses me.
However it is for the short term , but can be used at No Zero , French , European and American Roulettes in land based , sea based , internet video live based and internet RNG casinos.  Has real potential as an integral part of computer software.
The problem at casinos is once they figure out your idea they will spin you off the table , odds stays odds , it has no long term sustanability , is mathematically in the favour of the casino , will fail the billion spins test severely and is definately not the holy grail although it may appear initially so on the very short term.  However , especially for United States Based players on American Roulette that is going to gamble at America's playground away their holiday money it has definately more potential than the uttermost majority of systems I have seen.  However , never mathematically sound in the long run and definately not the holy grail.


COMPARISON TO MY SYSTEM AND WHY MY SYSTEM IS BETTER
At every spin , mathematically the odds is in my favour with my strategy compared to the claim 11 that is in the casino's favour. 

Claim 12 Reversed Margintale

MY ANALYSIS
It does work on the short term , some patrons has been flat betted or even banned throughout Europe using it as blacklisted players especially the ones using a 50 % increase

for e. g.  start with US $ 6 chip , if loose increasse to 150 % plus minus for e. g.  US $ 9 , then US 14 etc. 
If loose , go back to US $ 6.  There are a range of variations on this basic theme.

My severe problem with this system is that a large number of losses in a row will show a net loss and as soon as the
casino figures out what you are up to they will wipe you off the table.  Net result the casino wins
I do not dispute the fact that THE BANK IN EUROPE WAS BROKEN IN HISTORY ACCORDING TO WIKEPEDIA PLAYING IN A GROUP AND WAS BALCKLISTED IN EVERY SINGLE CASINO IN BOTH EUROPE AND THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ON A PERMANENT BASIS.
However , right now , it is not new knowledge , it is old knowledge , casino table limits limit this possibility and once the casino sees what you up to they will wipe you off the table , odds becomes odds and the casino wins.

In my opinion only short term possibilities.  Like hit and run a specific casino.
No long term sustainability , it will fail the billion spins test and is not the "holy grail" of roulette , although it might have temporary with certain players in history appeared so.

COMPARISON TO MY SYSTEM AND WHY MY SYSTEM IS BETTER
Mathematically unsound on the long run while mine is mathematically sound at every spin.

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Re: I Am Taking Up Steve Hourmouzis' $100,000 RNG Challenge
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As far as the $ 100 000 challenge is concerned send me a copy to boettcher.  arthur@gmail.  com and if your system or strategy is better than mine I will say so otherwise I am prepared to take up the challenge myself.

Theoretically every single system or strategy on the market should be up to such tests.
I believe I have a brand new winning idea that has never failed on demonstration money tests but will not
waste Steve Hourmouzi's time if somebody else has something better.  Also my claim is not bogus but real ,
if I have overlooked something in the "test of time" I will be the first to admit it , however my initial paper and calculator and internet Random Network Generator (RNG) tests have never , not even once failed to win in one cycle.
And for the record my yes is my yes and my no is my no.

I believe I have been lucky enough to have a friend that has been schooled in depth in lateral thinking methodology
and although his IQ range is quantum leaps higher than most Mensa members , and he is substantially more intelligent than I am , I do believe I have picked up a few pointers on the way of reasoning and thinking on at
least some subjects.

My idea has a bit of mathematics and calculations involved but can be used on every single number for a net profit on any number of spins.   Unless you have something better , or unless scores of contributors that claim to have the
"holy grail" have something better it deserves an audit , if not by other "holy grail system claimers" together with details of their "holy grail " systems than by top applied mathematics Universities such as the Cambridge facility.

In all fairness my idea has not been tested in live play in land based or sea based casino's or live video play but
does work on every single "fun" or "demonstration" money roulette sites No Zero Roulette and European Roulette
I have tested it upon with table spreads of 1-100 units and total table limits of 300 units.

In all fairness some sites quote Albert Einstein saying it is impossible and others with years of experience regard
it as impossible (or they have at least extreme scepticism) in the long rong.

Other sites point out that brand new ideas , easy to execute or at least relatively easy to execute to all Mensa members or persons with an inhereted numbers ability , happen about once every 50 to 100 years.

I do not know the in depth workings of the person on this forum systems or strategies that claim to have 2
"holy grail" systems and one semi.   I also don't know yours.   At least one other member might be onto
something with a few thousands of spins indicating a definite possibility while others claim that US $ 500 is
by implication a joke.

It is for this reason that it will be beneficial if every single system on the planet can be tested in such a similation
for a comperative study result and the findings published in details on a forum such as this forward thinking one.

In my opinion it is possible to make 37 chips profit from one wheel 37 spins on average in one hour with a very little capital outlay.   On a recent question and answer about what the chances is in one hour on yahoo answers I put it very concervatively on 2 chips per hour as I have not done a billion spins test like the one you are partaking in.

However there is a lot of factors to be taken into account and as the spread is $ 1 - $ 500 , it also depends on the
table limit on my final submission.

If every single potential or claimed "holy grail" or principle can be tested simultaneouesly it will be highly beneficial potentially for at least some forum members.

I am of the uttermost opinion that the quest for the "holy grail" of roulette is a science with specific scientific principles behind it.

In the same way as the "Wright Brothers" discovered flying , and some of the specific principles was later strongly and greatly improved , I am convinced the same apllies here.

What I am proposing is that the study of strategies and systems should be taken up as a science , such as the relaxed roulette system play all day site has done at least some initial research on as a starting point together with scores of others.  Such results can then be published by members on the forum and even as new researched knowledge of mankind on Wikepedia.

In all fairness it is true that many patrons claim that "fullproof systems" seemed to work brilliantly on demo money and has been a total disaster on real money.   But what if I am right ?

kind regards

Arthur John Boettcher Jr
e mail boettcher.  arthur@gmail.  com
Pretoria
South Africa

e-mail boettcher.  arthur@gmail.  com

[arthur john jr]

to cheese

Thank you for the question if my friends name is James Wendel.


Please be advised unfortunately or fortunately no.
I do not know James Wendel

But most probably you are referring to James G Wendel with his Mathematical Publications including
geometric probability theory known as Wendel's theorem in some quarters , 1962.

Some of the references is available on Wikepedia

Unless of cause you are referring to another James Wendel.


Kind regards

Arthur John Boettcher Jr
Pretoria
South Africa
e-mail boettcher. arthur@gmail. com

[Mr J]

  You are interested in the challenge, ok fine. You could of posted four sentences and been done until Steve reads it.  Ken

[Nathan Detroit]

arthur john jr :

This might  give you a case of Wendelitis.

nolinks://nolinks.mymathforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=3576

[Mr J]

"My Math is a new math that I invented alone and not found in any books or taught in any University" >>> 

[arthur john jr]

Arthur John Boettcher Jr , Pretoria South Africa
e-mail boettcher. arthur@gmail. com

My current international ranking of systems based on my research is as follows :

Unaudited by at least a million spins and the general public :
(An figure of 0. 75 is subtracted on all claims not audited by independent reviewers)


4. 00 (4. 75 less 0. 75 without audit) Holy Grail Flagship Master (Author Arthur John Boettcher Jr
Pretoria South Africa , November 2010)
Designed for Steve's and other auditor's spins test
(Usable of European , French and Nozero Roulette , but not American Roulette)

75. 00 % Buildup 46 Chromosones Systems/Junior Holy Grail Flagship Master System

3. 75 (4. 50 less 0. 75 without audit)
(Author Arthur John Boettcher Jr Pretoria South Africa , November 2010)

57. 67 % Improved Dozens Manipulation System (11/7) floating around on the Internet

2. 8835 (3. 6335 less 0. 75 without audit , 72,67 % before audit less 15. 00%)
(Original Author several contributors , improved version Arthur John Boettcher Jr
Pretoria South Africa , November 2010)

CURRENTLY IN THE AUDIT PROCESS RESULTS UNKNOWN:

(A Figure of 90. 00 % on a claimed 100. 00 % Strategy/System is asigned until an completed
audit with confirmed results.  These figures might be slightly higher or lower depending on the
final audit results.  These figures is an atempt to quantify the reported exitement and interest out there)

98. 75 % Technical Roulette Spins robotic/electronic analysers

4. 9375 (I have 6 ratings for this one and a Nett : only if it works 5. 00 2nd rating will the casino's ban it and black list you yes possibly 1. 50, Is it Mathematically sound 4. 00
very costly 1. 00 very difficult to install 1. 50 A new concept 5. 00 Nett Rating 3. 00)

97. 50 % Roulette Bandelitics

4. 875 I do not know enough of the system to review it personally , this 4. 875 is an attempt to
quantify the reported preliminary testing

95. 00 %
4. 75 Wendelitics Programme Strategy/System
I have not personally gone into it but report it as reported to me


90. 00 %
4. 5 Roulette forum vls roulette "member known as Pactole" S100 000 , 00 "Steve's spin's test software:


Audited by Independant Reviewers and the general public :

100. 00 % that means the independant spinned tested and public ratings confirmed Holy Grail

100. 00 % Only in Land Based European Roulette Casino's 1 chip on 1-12 , 13-24 and 25-36
together with benominal mathematical distribution theory practically applied by professional
gamblers in busy vip sections of Casino's

5. 0 (Own Rating Mathematics 4. 50 , How often can it be done and the extreme discipline
required and how easy is it to get a spot at the "right table" 2. 0 does it work for only the
professional 5. 00 Can it be done on the internet no 2. 00 can it be done by everyone definately
an absolute nono 0. 50 Net rating 2. 80)


98. 50 % Cash Cow Bonus Taking from Casino to Casino

4. 925 Cash Cow (Not a strategy or system , but a bonus plunging manipulation methodology)
(My own Grading of Cash Cow - I have not tested the system , but I will give it a 4. 50 from my
own personal judgement of online literature, because the system will work even if used with
strategies and systems with a very low rating because if used correctly , you can win with the
Casino's own money and walk away with a profit , however this is and will never be a system or
strategy but a manipilation.  I do not fgive it a 5. 00 because too many different casino accounts
to manage)

97. 50 % American Roulette $10 , $75 $50 System

(Bet Us $ 10 on 0 00 split US $ 75 on 1-18 on US $ 50 on 25 -36 or reverse)
4. 875 (Own Rating On Mathematics 3. 00 On Reported Defacto workings 5. 00 Net Rating 4. 00)

97. 00 % The ten minute , 15 minute and 30 minute rule Strategy

4. 85(Own rating of 3. 875 - no guaratee it will work in every casino)(Basically it is open a couple of
accounts at different casino's , play maximum half an hour don't play the same day , don't play
the next day and only again at the same casino on the third day)

95. 74 % Reversed Roulette System

4. 787(My own rating of Reverse Roulette System is 3. 75 It is severely lower thatn the general public
because any strategy or system that does not GUARANTEE profits in every session is not good
enough.  However there is exellent ratings of this system throughout the internet , the return on
book sales is very low , there is no problem of purchasers claiming theior money back guaratee
and many viewers has reported substantial profits very slowly but very surely over the long run.
Very complicated for the novice gambler)

95. 00 % Version 5 Level 1 Double Level 2 Tripple 1 out of 37 numbers , then play 11/1 3 columns
System/Strategy

4. 75 (Own Rating 4. 35 The only reason I don't give it a 5. 00 is because it takes too long to make
money - However very close to perfect as a practical high success potential progression system)

90. 00 % Roubot roulette software

4. 50(Own Rating 4. 925 - Go and Sleep adn collect profits while you relax - for this reason I rate this
sytem personally much higher than the general public as my interpretation from published and
known information)

87. 50 % Roulette Sniper Software

4. 375 (Own Rating 4. 60 I rate it lower than my gut feel due to the very conflicting reports on the internet from different reviewers , but higher than some of them because I have a serious suspicion
they are business interest opponents)

85. 00 % Roulette Botpro Software

4. 25 (Own Rating 4. 825 I rate this system higher than the general public because of its build in 1 in
100 000 feature , (red/black odds/evens 1-18/19-36 1/1 bets)

4. 25 Roulette Killer Software
(Own rating 4. 675 Very goof software system ,but not the uttermost best)

80. 00 %

4. 0 Roulette Bandit
No personal rating I do not know enough of this one

80. 00 % Barbi System

4. 0(Own Rating only 2. 75 I seriously believe the buzz out their is based on the gamblers fallacy.
I uttermostly seriously disagree , because of the mathematics that is unsound , with the public opinion)

80. 0 % Martingale System plus different versions
4. 0 (Own Rating 3. 25 I uttermostly disagree with the public buzz about it because the mathematics
is unsound and the casinos are ready to nail you on this one.  I still rate it much higher than my gut feel because there is too many seasoned gamblers that will solemny testify to it on too many sites
it has with a few adjudgements , like the one a certain Professor is marketing (wait 7 times for red or black not to show up then play and repeat bet by doubling up till it wins) it hasd worked
consistantly beautifully for them on online casinop's

(I have not used any of these software but rely on the opinions of respected independant reviewers)

80. 00 %  Relaxed Roulette System Play All Day
4. 0(Own Rating I have 2 ratings 3. 25 I do not share the opinion of the public because the house edge stays with the casino
but second rating developing initial ROULETTE SYSTEMS GRADING INTERNATIONALLY ACCEPTED SYSTEM  as
the consensus international internet standard from where a generally accepted standard can be developed 5. 0
Net Rating plus taking the effort with thousands of hours to scientifically researchj systems for a comparison to bring
order in the chaos and uttermost confusion in the market 5. 0 being internet roulette scientific international leaders 4. 75
Net Rating 4. 50)

Net Conclusion:
It is an undeniable fact , based on the consensus of a range of different years long gamblers on the internet that
Albert Einsteins statement by implecation that the casino's can not be beaten on there own game is right now
due for serious scientific experiments challenges to proof him wrong.

Cash Cow does beat mathematically every online casino in the world where Casino Bonuses and Incentives can
be exploited by the player.  It is however very demanding on the time effort and administration of the player.
When Einstein made his statement Cash Cow was noit around

Roulette Roubot has the potential to get banned and blacklisted by every known casino in the world because
it has the potential to as an artificial intelligence to collect cash online for the player while he sleeps or while
he is at work or on holiday.

Reversed Roulette System changes Mathematically the house edge to the player edge

Roulette Botpro Software has created the 1 in 100 000 16 times audit general accepted standard that software
systems is good at but people will get frustrated and bored to wait so long.

None of the systems that does not have a generally accepted grading of 4 stars (4. 00) or 80. 00 % is potentially
candidates for Steve's $ 100 000 challenge.

It is my sugestion that only the most strongest version of every type of system (the most possibly strongest system
that every system with a specific version can be developed into) used as comparisons to others

I suggest for International Scientific Peer Review the Sugestion that a Few Systems be used as the
General Accepted International Standard as the known strongest strategies and systems (but disregarding
Software Systems and electronic manipulation wheel spinning devices)

These include my strongest system provided it passes international testing

In the meantime based on grading 1 - 5 stars and percentages

[arthur john jr]

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