Lanky's Resignation and Thank You to the Members.

[Mr J]

....and even after deleted by a member?  Ken

[iggy]

I rarely post anything but I feel that I have to make a comment here.

I would first like to say that both Lanky and LeBear are two of the most honorable people I have ever known and anything they say can be taken as the truth.

It was not just Lanky and LeBear that were unable to learn Kimo's teachings. I was also in the private groups along with "several" other people. I do NOT know of one person that was able to take Kimo's methods and make them work.
I spent countless hours reading Kimo's books, observing at live local casinos and "live" online casinos and was unable to find his methods to be any better than any other system. They win at times and LOSE at times. Trouble is that because of the progressions when you lose you lose in a BIG way. You would need a huge bankroll and even then there are table limits.

iggy

[iggiv]

fellas, quarrels and calling each other different names won't do any good at this forum. This forum is supposed to be a friendly community as far as i know. when u start fighting and hating each other it doesn't do anything except a damage to this forum.

u can say the same things looking more neutral than using  insulting nicknames and so on. and be more constructive.
if u think that some system doesn't work u can say so without attempts to put down its creator. If u have some facts proving some system is not working out why not just state the pure facts without getting into someone's underwear looking how clean it is .

just my humble opinion

[iggiv]

dear Lanky i wish your wife to feel good a be healthy from the bottom of my heart

[Mr J]

Thing is....its just a simple question.  Ken

[VLSroulette]

I told myself I would always stay off threads like this, I'm not even reading them as soon as I spot the true nature / intentions of the thread, but I was pointed here by a member who told me if I didn't answer here he would know everything said here is true and some other name callings, that I was a ****. So mature. So I checked and saw this. What's this all about anyway?

Chuck, I was asked to create some boards away from disruptors (I.e. private) where only productive members would take part. NO evil conspiracy from me to achieve... what?

Lionel, everything you type on your computer can be tracked and read by 3rd parties if they would wish to, INCLUDING YOUR PM's, emails, all your submitted form data, everything... at every website and every single forum in the universe... It can't be prevented, it is simply the way the internet works. There are logs at every single point of your connection to overseas.

The only way to keep something private is to never type it online.

The part to keep the eye on is: "IF THEY WISH TO"... As to me, I respect people, I respect their PM's.

Charles Hampshire knows better than anyone that I don't care the least bit as to what people do at their PM's. Him and his minions claim to do everything they wish in our forum via PM's as he even advices his followers to recruit using our very own PM infrastructure. I sincerely don't care. Private is private to my eye and frankly I don't have the will.

@Ken

Internally, the PM's are stored only once for any sender-receipt pair. This data is presented then marked as read, but as long as one of the members has the message in either their inbox or outbox, it stays.

For the messages to completely be eradicated by the forum software they must be removed from both the sender and recipient's inbox and out box pair.



So well. Everyone can feel free to remove the PM's it makes no difference to me, I don't read them, never have, never will.

I couldn't care less as to what people do and talk via PMs I won't and have never taken a single second of my time to the witch hunt of reading raw database files to hunt anyone's private messages.

There are no conspiracies. This sort of thing is what makes me NOT want to make any other single forum EVER. I will better simply offer online tools and paste ads on them. Old-fashion read-only website. After my personal commitment with Steve ends on Jan 2011 (1 year of support), I think I'll simply disappear from the forum scene forever.

I guess my VLSforum.com endeavor is never to see the light. It simply isn't worth to spend time creating things that people would submit to such a crappy "conspiracy theory" mentality instead of just using them and enjoying the features and having a ball while doing so, deriving a healthy benefit out of it.

[Mr J]

"I was asked to create some boards away from disruptors (I.e. private) where only productive members would take part" >>> These boards exist now? Productive means: Everyone agrees with each other?  Ken

[VLSroulette]

These boards exist now?

Some were wiped clean by their owners, some are still at the database but as dead as a ghost town.

Public or private, this is still roulette what we are dealing about, which means what some person claim is the holy grail is totally 100% losing for the next guy.

Whoever believes ANYONE would hand out an invincible system, is still at a very early stage of his roulette learning; it may be "invincible" at the samples existent to the present day, no guarantees in the samples from the day that person told you the system to tomorrow and the day after. This is reality to accept. Like Manrique keeps telling and telling to newcomers, the first step to move forward in this game is accepting "THERE IS NO SYSTEM" (but that doesn't mean you shouldn't play systematically, or apply a form of order or criterion to your bets). Meditate on it.

Productive means: Everyone agrees with each other?  Ken

No. I've seen the same quacks and quarrels in the private groups as well as the public, plus the added paranoia of "the big brother is watching you". Productive means the disagreements are in between less people, which happen to be friends. Which means there are more chances to get over them.

[Mr J]

Thanks for responding Victor. Thats twice in one day! Once here and also on another board (Funkyg). I ask a question...I get an answer. Lets keep the ball rolling!  Ken

[iggiv]

Victor, please don't be too angry, take it easy and DON'T DISSAPEAR for god's sake. I understand that u r upset at this moment...

pero por favor!

We know that u put lots of your effort, your own sweat, nerves and your private time into this project, but people DO APPRECIATE it. And you know that!  One question at one moment of the time doesn't change the whole picture.

take it easy ok? We know u would never read other people's correspondence. Maybe somebody else would, not u.



(that's why i don't like virtual quarrels -- they are very destructive)

                                                     

[Steve]

The unappealing thing about owning a forum is that you are in the spotlight, and such people tend to be targeted for attacks. Nobody wants to be attacked, but you cannot please everyone. So all you can do is just use your own best judgement to do what is right, what is best for the forum and its members - and not take attacks from morons to heart.

From what I've seen, Victor was attacked from absolute morons - as he put it, people with bad hearts. There are a lot of such people on forums, but more so on "gambling" forums. Loads of screwy people in this industry.

[Mr J]

I'll tell you whats worse. Try going to a bar where everyone is F***ED UP. Talk about sports, religion and politics.  Thats where I got my training.  Joking aside, I have seen some HEATED arguements. Face to face stuff, no message boards.  Ken

[iggiv]

lots of bad people everywhere online. Internet forums kinda attract bad people, "trolls". But there are lots of nice people in this forum, that's why i like it. and i am not even talking about lots of valuable info u can find here.

though i havent been in this forum for too long ( used to read it before registered), i still feel it is gonna be a GREAT LOSS, if this forum with its spirit as it has been is gonna be destroyed, and also if Victor leaves it. And there is not question that    without VLS himself -- VLS will not be VLS anymore.  

but despite some bad people, attacks, some wrong questions whatever, we know for sure that Victor gets lots of respect from most of people here, respect which he deserves.

[iggiv]

"I'll tell you whats worse. Try going to a bar where everyone is F***ED UP. Talk about sports, religion and politics.   Thats where I got my training.  Joking aside, I have seen some HEATED arguements. Face to face stuff, no message boards.  Ken"


u and Steve wanted to have another kind of drinking training session 
something new for u maybe

[Mr J]

Can you see Steve and I drunk, sitting around, talking?  Ken

[Mr J]

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