Lanky's Resignation and Thank You to the Members.

[VLSroulette]

I can rest assured at night that I didn't mount any conspiracy to gather people's data. NOR have I setup this forum with any doors for anyone to enter and read members' PM inbox.

There are millions of forums out there with PM functionality that has the same level of security as ours (I.e. same use of the public internet), why is that they are still having the PM feature without any problems? Should the million of forums shut down their PM messaging system? I don't know and frankly I'm starting to get to the point of not caring about this "conspiracy theory" questioning anyway. I guess it is the best path for me to take.

[berlinerbruce]

al owners and with the permission of the owner ,,can look into all PMs etc



hope you enjoyed my donation Vic

or do i quilify for it back,,,,,,,,,,dont forget what the donations where for

ok Lads cya

PS please,,,,,if no one can give me a striat answer then JUST;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;DONT ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;BOTHER

[VLSroulette]

al owners and with the permission of the owner ,,can look into all PMs etc

Hello Bruce,

Please do advice me where in the administration panel is the (inexistent)setting for me to give your account permission to look at the PM's from other people.

I am willing to replicate the process to enable YOUR account with such an (inexistent) setting shall you provide me with the location of it at the administration panel for me to enable.

hope you enjoyed my donation Vic

It was to pay forum's acquired debt, you better ask that question to the ones whom the owed money was returned to (I.e. Shorty). I sure didn't enjoy it.

or do I quilify for it back,,,,,,,,,,dont forget what the donations where for

What do you want me to say Bruce? The donations were for paying the forum's debt, the debt was paid.

[VLSroulette]

However, Lanky has a bit of a point, considering he was an admin/mod at the time...

More reason for him not having the conspiracy mentality.

Lionel, did you happen to see an option to enter into people's inbox at your will using ANY option from the administration panel during the time you were the forum's administrator?

If you did spot an option to enter people's PM inbox, please do tell me the exact location of it in the panel because in 3 years of seeing the same admin panel I am yet to see such an option.

[Lanky]

@Nathan.

Thank You Mate ....All of mine are gone as well.

More reason for him not having the conspiracy mentality.

Lionel, did you happen to see an option to enter into people's inbox at your will using ANY option from the administration panel during the time you were the forum's administrator?

If you did spot an option to enter people's PM inbox, please do tell me the exact location of it in the panel because in 3 years of seeing the same admin panel I am yet to see such an option.

@ Victor.

Look Victor You know I did not see any such thing.
Even if it was there I would not know where to look for it.
As You know first hand My knowledge of computers is very limited.
I admit that My Ignorance of anything to do with computers could been seen as being Naive.

Sure I will put My hand up to that.
That's the fallout of coming into the Internet and or computers at an older age.
That's cool I Just have to live with that......I can't go back in time.

Victor this Conspiracy thing that YOU are on about are YOUR words not mine.

I can only say what I believe are the facts.
You say its/was only a Rumour.

Facts.

1) The chat was Hacked.

2) Xman & I received a Pm with the exact wording from a post that was put into the Mods Area within hours of it being posted in there.....We dealt with that.
And it would surprise Me if any of the Mods at the time did NOT think that the Mods Area had NOT been Hacked as well.

3) If the chat was Hacked and the Mod's Area Hacked it would be seem likely that the Administration Area was Hacked as well.

I posted about this as You well know Victor.

Now Given that these thing did happen then it would be safe to assume that the PM's were Hacked as well.
If You could not stop what did happen....How the hell could You stop the Pm's from being seen from others .

On top of all this owners of other Forums that have contacted Me have assured Me that the reading of PM's can be done.
Those people have been very helpful to Me throughout all this....
Telling Me things I did know anything about and I Thank Those People that have come to My aid.

I actually received this Today before I even came onto the Forum.

Hi Lanky
I can 100% confirm that PMs on any forum, using any software can be read through the database. Anyone with access to it, such as server techs and site owner can read who is sending who what. You don't actually need proof that it can be done...it is very very easy...however, you can't really prove that it is being done.

See this:
nolinks://docs.simplemachines.org/index.php?topic=451.0

The VLS admin said this on his site:
"Lionel, did you happen to see an option to enter into people's inbox at your will using ANY option from the administration panel during the time you were the forum's administrator?

If you did spot an option to enter people's PM inbox, please do tell me the exact location of it in the panel because in 3 years of seeing the same admin panel I am yet to see such an option".

I'm afraid he's clearly spinning you a yarn. He knows how to read his members PMs, he just thinks you don't know how. Now you do. How you choose to use this info is up to you

Now Victor You and I have been Friends and as You know I usually know the answers to Questions before I ask them.
(Except for Computer things etc)

I would advise You to leave it here and leave Me be.

Otherwise this could turn into one hell of an embarrassing s**t fight.

Please pass on our regards to Your Family.

Lanky.

[VLSroulette]

Facts.

1) The chat was Hacked.

The chat was INJECTED messages without a sender with malicious (malformed) submissions. NO chat files were compromised.

As annoying as it was it wasn't a full-blown hack, more just a very soft injection attack.

2) Xman & I received a Pm with the exact wording from a post that was put into the Mods Area within hours of it being posted in there.....We dealt with that.
And it would surprise Me if any of the Mods at the time did NOT think that the Mods Area had NOT been Hacked as well.

I'm sad to say this is more likely a human-based leak than anything else. With so many mods, it is the most plausible explanation (sadly).

I've seen private groups with less members have human-based leaks.

Hardly would you see an actual hack of a forum that selectively gets into a single protected section. True hacks are a disaster as the whole enchilada is leaked (I.e. whole database files are compromised). You can't just "hack a section" over others in a database. It is a full-blown access to it or nothing.

3) If the chat was Hacked and the Mod's Area Hacked it would be seem likely that the Administration Area was Hacked as well.

If an attacker would mess with the administration area, I wouldn't be typing this right now, as there would be horrible consequences for such (I.e. all sections wiped, loads of people added with administrative rights and the very very VERY bad things that happen when a bad-intentioned attacker gets such an access).

The way to "hack" into it is to own the password of someone with administrative rights. If done via database hacking, then again, you can't just choose to hack "only the admin area", you either get the whole attack done right and get to the whole database or not.

On top of all this owners of other Forums that have contacted Me have assured Me that the reading of PM's can be done.

Sure it can be done, form a keylogger on your very home PC, to every router your data passes through from Australia to overseas to the reading of the database of the forum.

I'm afraid he's clearly spinning you a yarn. He knows how to read his members PMs, he just thinks you don't know how. Now you do. How you choose to use this info is up to you

The sole idea of people suggesting I'm doing it sickens me, the kind of shut the damn thing down; let's say the forum is good to have Steve as new owner as such a thing had happened I would have wiped this whole damn thing down clean and disappeared form the net. Believe me, this is what I want to do right now, and leave the whole stuff bath to the next owner. I don't deserve any of this questionings. I did what I did for the forum or against the forum, take me for what I'm worth. And I would be worth a whole brown poo poo if I were to be such a bastard to spend my day reading member messages.

I can rest assured I'm not doing so.

Twocat, soon I'll join you.

I would advise You to leave it here and leave Me be.

I'll leave it up to that.

[iggiv]

there are too many letters to read, too smart for me, but i have one question to admins of this forum: if in this thread  right here i post my credit card number, is there a chance that someone from ouside can read it and use it without my knowlegde ?? if my suspisions are right ones.....
































































we all live in MATRIX!!!!!!!!!!

[iggiv]

I sent him PM with some questions, he never showed up? What, he is not gonna come here anymore?


by the way, Lanky, u are wrong to accuse Victor of anything like that. Every forum or chat can be hacked for sure, even Pentagon's files were hacked, even the bank databases with credit card numbers were hacked more than once, c'mon, I am not a database wizard myself, but anyone knows that anything like this can happen.

You want Victor to create 100% bulletproof database? It is ridiculous because even largest bank security organizations with hundreds or thousands people working there can not guarantee such a thing.

it is only a forum, u r not supposed to keep here real sensitive info u depend on. And if someone read something u just told someone about something, is it worth this kind of big deal u are making out of it? of course it can always happen and nobody can prevent it from happening. If there is a real skillful hacker with database administration knowledge who has a goal to hack this thing  he will do it, just a matter of time, whatever admins will do here.
there is always a hole in  these things. You just have to know how to look and where to look for it.

[iggiv]

I am pissed off honestly, people. A person creates a great forum, puts his effort in it, struggles to pay for it without fu...ng access to f...g dollars, welcomes everyone here, gives his help, answers hundred f..g questions from hundreds people, kills his own time for it, puts on his back lots of troubles and complains, tweaking-shmeaking that option and this option, can u pls do this and open this, and close this and do it like that, tries to find some money for it, I doubt that he is that rich, if he was, he would not be looking for different ways to win at roulette, and he shares his knowledge with no problems.

now come guys who use his forum and become friends with him, and suddenly he does something they don't like to get a relieve  a little to this burden after getting tired of all this forum stuff.

and what then? instead of giving him   for his relieve his friends start picking after him. Like  a "Vologodsky" guard convoy in Gulag camps to prisoners: "You are warned, one step left or one step right from the formation is considered escape attempt, we shoot to  kill" .

get a life people, think about many centuries old things like loyalty, friendship, mistake forgiveness for god's sake.
What the hell did he do? He f..g sold your private messages on ebay? every message 5 bucks.

and then coming with that "give me my donation back...". Like this donation was the present for him himself, not for the forum which everyone uses. Even if it was present, what in quarrels with your friends you demand your presents back?

I am f..g pissed off honestly. I don't want to say anything against anyone, I just want to ask u to f..g STOp and f...g THINK a little, how it is looking from the 3rd side

[Lanky]

Lanky, u are wrong to accuse Victor of anything like that

Hi iggiv.

I did not accuse Victor of anything.
Go back and read what I said .

So Your pissed about things and You have only been here since the 17th December.

All I did was ask Questions and Answers to those Questions.

Victor is not the only one that contributed time and Money to the upkeep of the Forum Mate.

Lanky.

[VLSroulette]

I'm grateful to all the people who supported in the past. There were times of massive support, but then people left me almost alone in this (It is a bitter-sweet feeling to be frank). Special mention deserves Sam (TwoCatSam) for he was always there for us, I know he truly careD about us here and deserved every day of his co-administrator status.

If any, Steve is helping us stay alive without financial worries. I don't know why so much hate against me! It isn't you Lionel, I am perhaps overreactive on account of all the messages I have received in my inbox lately.

I don't really mind when I get questioned by the random "joe" but when it is coming from those whom I have considered friends for a long time it gets to me. On account of the new owner, our former forum admin and friend Addonai told me (Spanish):

"Sabes Victor , eres la persona mas miserable y indigna que he conocido en mi vida" => "You know Victor, you are the most miserable and indignant person I have ever known in my life".

He said:

"sabia que jamas podia confiar en ti porque no eres digno de confianza" => "I knew I couldn't trust in you as you are not trustworthy".

And after the other words I wont post here coming from his anger message towards me, he ends with:

"Has perdido todos tu valores Victor

Adiooooooooooooooooooooooooooooos[/quote]

=> "You have lost all your human values Victor.

Byyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyye"

This is the type of messages that gets to me, coming from those you called your "brothers" and friends hurt and dent anyone's soul mates. The last days I've been named a scoudrel, a rat and many other names, this public questioning is only the tip of the iceberg. I've been questioned not only in public but horribly as well in private correspondence by people I never though would be the in the sender field of such messages.

I'm better off posting for the time being. I totally need a rest from this.

So if anyone else doubts about me and my personal integrity, please be my guest. I won't answer anything else to stand for myself, be it in this thread or anywhere else in this forum or any other, hence you can assume whatever you think I am is true.

Good bye, now I choose to mute myself for the sake of my soul's integrity.
Victor

[iggiv]

dear Lanky,
u can understand that u can hurt someone even without desire to hurt. I know u are a nice guy, I know u did not want to point a finger purposely, but some things can hurt the way they are. Yes I have been here not for long as a member of this forum (though I used to read it longer than I am a forum member).

Now think of this. If you have an important question to your friend Victor, why not ask it privately or in email, why put it up like that, and then u can see that he is hurt! U can see it. And u can see that he never tried anything like reading another people correspondence.

U can see that public asking of this kind of question was a little...hm...too much hard taken by him? So why not make it more diplomatic and back up, and continue everything as private friendly talk with him, but the problem is the conversation continues as if he is guilty of something, was not looking properly after the database, not telling about PMs possilby can be read, blah-blah-blah.

first it was looking as u were asking him publically: "Victor, answer me, u did not read or u did not let someone read people correspondence"? and he was hurt by this, and it is easy to undertsand why he was hurt.

And now instead of really softening the blow, u say like "OK, OK, u did not read the PMs, I know. But why didn't u do that and that? Why u never told me about the danger of PMs reading? and look what other people say about u, they say that u were supposed to know that PMs can be read".

it looks like questioning in the police: OK, u did not commit the crime yourself, but why u did not prevent it? U understand, buddy, I am not meaning it literally, convoy, police -- all these are metaphors.
I mean -- u can be a little more friendly, discreet with Victor, why if there is  a possible issue with breach of security u think, why  put it up before everybody, like he is questioned publically, why not ask the questions him in email,
explain to him a problem, not to do it in this way which looks...a little bit "inqiusitic" if u will...

I am a new person here.  I don't claim to know everything  and don't want to judge u or anybody else. but u know in my opinion looks like Victor is judged in some way. Publically. the way he doesn't deserve.

I just have some feeling of unfairness going on here. U understand what I mean?
I am not against u God forbid, not against anyone here, I just feel something wrong is goin on here...New member or old, I have right to voice my concern? what do u think?

[iggiv]

"Victor is not the only one that contributed time and Money to the upkeep of the Forum Mate."

exactly! but Victor is the only one here which looks like one standing here before  inquisition  court.

[iggiv]

sorry for those history examples, I love history, I think we can learn from it something

In years 30's-40's of the last century "witch hunt" was a very popular sport in USSR. I don't know how it looked during McCarthey "witch hunts" in the US, but in the USSR it was like that: a well known person with lots of friends,
connections, gov't awards blah-blah-blah was publically claimed "the enemy of the people". After this,  while he or she was "questioned" in a basement of the secret police, most of his or her friends suddenly "forgot" who he was, and some of them even publically declared what kind of scum he has always been, and what kind of double-faced, and how this and how that...

u know what I mean

[LeBear]

Since iggiv suggests court is in session, lets add a bit more testimony shall we.   And let the jurors decide, jurors being the members.

    Now from Victors last post it appears he is not going to respond anymore.   Which is fine, and is his decision.   Being a military person, I use the example that Victor is a tank in the middle of mine field.   Now there are a number of ways to kill a tank.   The easiest being shoot the track link with a APR to disable it, a . 50 calibre round is very effective.   Now the tank is disabled, but it is still in the mine field, and the crew and it's commander are still in the tank.   Now a lot of options become open for all the players.   Victor being the commander, and the mods being the tank crew.   Surrender is one option, and the mods that left didn't exactly surrender by any means.   They are just annoyed that the commander got them all in the middle of a dam'n mine field so they got out of the tank.   They are now outside the tank and have been led away safely through the mine field.

    Now the commander is left with a skeleton crew, but the tank is still in the middle of the minefield.   Nothing has changed, just fewer players.   So the commander Victor, in a last ditch effort to try and save face, and the situation, resigns his command and turns it over to another guy in the tank being Steve.   The new guy in the tank is a new member of the tank crew and does not know up to this point what has happened in the past.

    So now the guys from the old crew are broadcasting over loud speakers informing the remaining crew that there actually are some real issues that  need to exposed.   Good or bad has no bearing, they just need to be made known.

    So in that light, and since Victor is developing what would appear to be amnesia, as a former tank crew memeber I am picking up the michrophone and making one last statement and final post.   Let the cards fall where they might.

  New testimony: besides the public gamlet site there were two other gamlet sites hidden from view.   Yes folks 3 sites in total right here on VLS.   Right before your eyes, or not.   Now let's see if other people come forward and tell you about the others, we shall all see together.

This is my first and last post as LeBear.   I wonder what the final verdict will be.

best regards,

LeBear

[LeBear]

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