Keys to defeating RNG?

[iggiv]

There are many bright minds in this forum. The main opinion is that  "pseudo-RNG" is undefeatable. Recently I purchased the software "Break roulette". breakroulette dot com.  can tell u this is certainly not a scam, it is working to a certain degree, but not always, far from it. In no way  I would endorse u to buy it, u may be dissapointed as well, because it is working in a very limited range, and there is no guarantee, you must be very careful, actually to this point I lost more than I won, but if u play carefully (I wasn't at the beginning) u may take from Playtech a few units, then just get the hell out of there, otherwise they will eat u alive. Till the next session. Well, the "break roulette" guy is not a scammer for sure, he gives a good support to his software no doubt, his advice is exactly like that -- make 10 units a day in each of different casinos, one session a day each, and that's it. With bankroll 100 units and loss stop 30 units -- not that bad. It is possible indeed.


but that's what I found in some dead forum, interesting.

nolinks: // 74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:Xi-40Lc9bMYJ:nolinks.gamblingchitchat.com/general-gambling/147-roulette.html+nolinks://nolinks.gamblingchitchat.com+rebeldearg+playtech&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca&client=firefox-a


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they guy's nick is (was) RebelDearg.

"I have a query regarding Playtech's Roulette game.

Has anyone else noticed that strategies will work at first but after a while they fail miserably. I am working on a theory that the software is designed to recognise certain patterns in play and then invoke commands to counter act the strategy.

I have devised a system which seems to work (so far) when playing playtech casinos. It involves 5 strategies with 3 betting systems that are interchangable. Using this software based strategy the game can't seem to record accuratly what strategy the player is using and, thus, you end up with a significant amount of wins.

I'm not selling or sharing this system.

I am just asking has anyone else noticed that playtech casinos have a sort of intelligence to counter your strategy.



Playtech software is a computer game, designed by a programmer who learned how to program in college, the exact same as tombraider, half life, metal gear solid....etc.

I believe that, after hours of play, that a monitoring system exists that counters strategies after a specific count has been reached. Ever notice how a strategy suddenly fails to work? This is why.

The way to beat it is simple enough to explain but as I'm not in the business of sharing this information I'll keep it vague in the hope that another poster has experinced the same anomoly.

In 1989 Gary Kasparov played IBM's Deep Thoughts in a game of chess and wiped the floor with it. In 1996 IBM challenged Kasparov to another game against the updated Deep Blue, Kasparov was again the Victor. In 1997 IBM's further update 'Deeper Blue' beat Kasparov 3.5 to 2.5, it later emerged that IBM hired 10 of the worlds leading grandmasters that had studied Kasparovs many thousands of playing strategies. Basically they had made a machine that was specifically designed to beat one Grand master. On hearing this Kasparov asked for a rematch on the condition that he also be allowed to study Deeper Blue's startegies. IBM have never responded.

In a interview an IBM programmer explained Kasparov success in one sentence 'Computers cannot be programmed to understand sacrifice'.
This is the basis of the research and strategy I have put in place to beat playtech's roulette software. When players use an internet casino they think 'roulette table', not 'series of code', which is what it is.

Each spin is independent of the previous spin, but each bet is not independent of the previous bet. The software will monitor your bets and fit them into various catagories, each catagory being based on a different strategy, when that catagory reaches it 'counter strike' number the software will invoke it counter strike commands. That finishes your strategy.

The only way to confound the computers 'counter strike number' is to sacrifice. As Kasparov proved, the biggest computer company in the world could not program a computer to understand 'sacrifice'.
Do you think playtech can.....I doubt it! "
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I think it is a very interesting idea, if we can defeat pseudo-RNG (like Playtech)...it would much much faster and bigger profit, than live wheels...

[iggiv]

anyone can help me  work out some kind of "counter-strategy"? thank you

[Proofreaders2000]

I like where you are going.  I have been trying to beat Roulette RNG for a while, trying to limit my session to just five minutes, because of the noticable downturn.  Any hint on how to improve is very welcome.  

I'll help iggiv.  I have some bonus chips if you need help testing in Real Money Mode.

[iggiv]

thanx buddy Proofreader! together we can do more.

so far that's how i tried to fool damn Playtech RNG: i took Dozen Predictor created by bjb007 (thanx a lot, bjb007!!),
i use it once in a while, while spinning all the time, checking that it is working, because it will stop working very soon.
i bet 2 dozens with it. then i start using "break roulette". Break roulette works with "even-odd", but i use it with red-black in high-low as well. I make a few units, then get out of there. Sometimes i bet on french roulette, sometimes on primer  french roulette, sometimes on european, i even tried miniroulette. and before starting betting always testing that it works.

a few more extra-steps with progression-- and u will bite the dust, this RNG is like a monster eating your bets

[iggiv]

Break roulette uses progression like that: start with 2 units, on lose u add 1 unit, on win u deduct 1. Win goal is 10 units, so after a few losses in a row it becomes dangerous and better to stop at -30.

what kind of algorithm "break roulette" uses i don't know, it tells u to bet sometimes against the wheel, sometimes along the wheel. Certainly in the beginning u have a good chance to get 10 units, not 100% though, but u win more than u lose. I am so careful now, i do not usually even come to 10 units, sometimes 4 or 5, then quit. Then i come after  half an hour. sometimes just change the game from french to euro roulette.

but after a 2-3  sessions with short break Playtech RNG becomes so mean, it is better to wait longer

[Proofreaders2000]

Dozens Predictor is good, two more good ones is Roulette Killer (downloads, roulette-related page 4) and Leon 2 (downloads, roulette-related page 3).  If you rotate the software after each attempt, you may last a little longer than just one strategy.

[iggiv]

Leon is very dangerous to work with RNG, i tried to test it, but anytime it can draw you into long-long progression.

even with live wheel it is not always working. What i like about Dozen predictor that 2 dozens usually hit from the first time.

by the way these 2 italian systems (where we track spins and make 2 groups) one for dozen, one for a few numbers to bet -- they also work for RNG for some time.

[mr.ore]

Do playtech software use pseudo RNG? I suppose they use hardware RNG which generates true random numbers. The question is whether they have to cheat. I cannot beat pseudo RNGs from GSL library (nolinks://nolinks.gnu.org/software/gsl/manual/html_node/Random-number-generator-algorithms.html) and they are just pseudo generators. These are generators with very luxury levels of randomness, but they are just pseudo RNGs, and have also this property to kill any system after some profit. Casinos actually does not have to cheat.

On the other way - if I were running an internet casino, I would probably wanted to be able to fix game results, to ensure, that dispersion would not much hit my profits - remember, there are much more people playing at same time than in a real casino.

Now how would work the algorithm to rig virtual roulette? From start it would use numbers from hardware RNG, but there would be more hardware RNGs and it would use players bets to simulate how would his system perform on different RNGs. Each RNG has its unique trend for some time, including time where it is not trending at all - it is also kind of trend, so there is always some trend in the end. After some time the software would pick RNG where player's system is losing and use it as source of random numbers. Since all RNGs are hardware RNG which are truly random, any combination of random streams is always also random, so it is undetectable. Well, this is only idea how I would do it if I were to program such thing. Maybe I would add some global counter of trends of all players, and if thinks were going bed, it would be shuffling RNGs until the global trend would be back where casino wants it. Statistically this would be undetectable.

[iggiv]

the question is how to counterattack them successfully. Which systems can beat them on a short run to switch to another system and different bets. There should not be long and high progressions. Proofreader made up a couple of systems working on a short run.

[Proofreaders2000]

In Full Roulette Systems I have just re-introduced my most successful RNG system called Zig/Zag.  Keep the sessions to no more than 10 minutes and you should be alright.

[iggiv]

thank u mate. u r a great help

[iggiv]

today break roulette is losing on both RNG and Live Playtech 

[iggiv]

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