Which of this system is on long term?

[admir.brkic]

Do you know which of this is on long term:

Tera TNT
Ludomeccanica
Maximum Advantage Roulette Plus
K Roulette System
9 EVA Side
CBS Full

[Noble Savage]

If any of them worked you'd hear about it in at least every roulette forum.

[admir.brkic]

Do you know any which work on long term, or something like that does not exist

[Proofreaders2000]

On paper there is no way to beat roulette, but IMO it can be winnable.

[Noble Savage]

Do you know any which work on long term, or something like that does not exist

It does not exist. This is a mathematically unbeatable game.

[Twocando]

Noble Savage

If you use a mathematical formula and it doesn't work. Why not use it for what not to play???

There are 3 formulas, maths, that works and nothing can stop or change it. IT WORKS.

Keep on looking

Twocan

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[iggiv]

Do you know which of this is on long term:

Tera TNT
Ludomeccanica
Maximum Advantage Roulette Plus
K Roulette System
9 EVA Side
CBS Full

i can't say Lucomeccanica really works for a long run, but it did show some good results. Should be careful though, large downdraw can happen, it doesn't happen very often but it may happen.

[chovek69]

I have tested TERRA-TNT a lot and I can say it's a bankroll eater. There are some wheels however that can produce good results with it.

[HansHuckebein]

speaking about "the long run".... how long actually is the long run? is it 100 spins? 1000 spins? 100.000 spins?  does it maybe depend on the bets you place? would the long run for an even chance differ from the long run of dozen or a street?  

cheers

hans

[Bayes]

The more numbers you are betting, the fewer spins you need to reach the long run.  A system betting single numbers will need to be tested over many more spins than one which bets on 30 numbers.

[Noble Savage]

how long actually is the long run?

Learn how to evaluate your system test results using the z-score calculation here:

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/reference-area/how-to-know-when-you-have-a-good-strategy/

It's not difficult. Just a simple formula that uses:
1- The number of wins your system yielded.
2- The number of bets placed.
3- The probability of the bet you're using (so an EC would differ from a dozen)

The z-score will tell you how many standard deviation away from the norm (I.e. the expected outcome relative to the number of wagers placed) your system is in a test. Therefore it will help you establish statistical significance (meaning: the knowledge that the results are not due to luck/randomness).

Example:

After 10,000 random coin tosses, betting on either heads or tails, the theoretical expected result is 0 units.

If your result is +100 units, you have a z-score of 1 SD, which means you are 1 standard deviation over the norm.
If your result is +200 units, that means you are 2 SD over the norm.
If your result is -100 units, that means you are 1 SD below the norm.
etc.

If you get 1 SD, there is a 16% probability of the result being due to chance.
If you get 2 SD, there is a 2% probability of the result being due to chance.
If you get 3 SD, there is a 0.1% probability of the result being due to chance.
If you get 4 SD, there is a 0.003% probability of the result being due to chance.
And so on.

The higher the z-score, the more confident you are that your system results are not due to random fluctuation and that the system is a long-term winner.

Things to remember:

- You need a relevant sample size for such a test, a few thousand bets at least.
- The number of bets (used to calculate the z-score) refers to the number of flat bets. If you're using a progression, there is another way to calculate the z-score (I'm not too sure how, but basically you would count each progression "cycle/game" as one bet), otherwise you'd need to just test the progression on very large sample sizes (I'd say a million) to be sure. I once developed a mild staking plan that won for a few hundreds of thousands of bets, but then gradually crashed (giving ALL profits back)!

[HansHuckebein]

@noble savage

this is one great explanation. thanx a lot. 

[HansHuckebein]

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