Live Dealer versus RNG

[AnandMajumdar]

hi victor,

am THIS close to playing with real money. dunno still though if i have it in me. have many more questions for you today . this is of course related to live dealer

1. Sam suggested to only play live dealer and not rng. he said he doesnt trust rngs much. what is your opinion and why ? do u suggest i play live, rng or both

2. once i deposit money at the casino do i have the option of playing both; live and dealer ? as in on one day if i feel like rng and on the other day, live ? is that ok or do i need separate bankrolls/accounts for them ?

3. found a list of live dealer casino urls at a post from you, pinned at the top of this section. do you in any way recommend any or all of them, for their "ethics", security, promptness, fairness or maybe even luck playing against them ? if yes which ones.

4. have heard horror stories or pre-recorded video clips of live dealer casinos showing you the number they wanna show you, and not your winning bet. is this true and to what extent ? how can i trust my casino ? which one(s) can i trust ?

5. similarly have heard horror stories of rng nmbers being manipulated etc. similar questions here as that of question 4

6. a live dealer game have a time limit to place bets ? is it generally sufficient in case i am using a strategy which needs me to place many bets all over the table. plus calculation time. is there a time-limit to place bets in case of rng's.

you asked me to ask. i ask. you asked for it

respect always
anand

[TwoCatSam]

as in on one day if I feel like rng and on the other day, live ?

Singing......"Some days you feel like a nut; some days you don't."

Sam

[AnandMajumdar]

grrrr... 

[AnandMajumdar]

well at least im putting my posts in the right sections now...

playing the game will be the easy stuff 

thanks sam a lot for all the support.. i mean it.

[enrique malou]

hello. for last week or two I am playing live roulette at nolinks.dublinbet.com I am thinking very genuine because it actual casino where player can go in Ireland. I know 99.99% that it very fair and that I never have any problem with them. they got the bac and 21 as well there. why take chance with rng when you can see real person spinning wheel. to many bad story on the rng and I not want you to find out the hard way.

[VLSroulette]

hi victor,

Hi Anand, my mate.

1. Sam suggested to only play live dealer and not rng. he said he doesnt trust rngs much. what is your opinion and why ? do u suggest I play live, rng or both

Stick to live wheels. If any, they are a chaotic system under many player's opinions, including myself. There is a difference in playing a true random generator without any boundaries versus a chaotic system. True Random Generators are a beast of their own, stick to playing roulette, the actual game.

With RNG you'd be playing atmosferic noise or other freaky stuff like that 

RNGs aren't even roulette in my book: no ball, no disk, no table, no dealer = not roulette.

2. once I deposit money at the casino do I have the option of playing both; live and dealer ? as in on one day if I feel like rng and on the other day, live ? is that ok or do I need separate bankrolls/accounts for them ?

Yes your bankroll is valid for both.

You better stick to playing Roulette (live), as per the reasons above. No need to separate banks if you aren't even going to play RNGs 

3. found a list of live dealer casino urls at a post from you, pinned at the top of this section. do you in any way recommend any or all of them, for their "ethics", security, promptness, fairness or maybe even luck playing against them ? if yes which ones.

I do not endorse any online casinos.

I have only played with real money in casinotropez, joyland, bet365, dublinbet and vegasred. I won't tell I have withdrawn millions, largest withdrawal has been joyland €1500 and they request you to sign some document and mail it back. Dublinbet pays without much hassles.

My friend bob makes a living with online roulette and he plays betinternet.com they do not complain about high-rollers. They have a healthy bank account to pay winning players, they offer tables up to $8000 per hand if I can recall right. That should tell you something about the status of their bank.

The best casino is simply the one that suits you better, whether you are going to test a new strategy and want to start with the smallest bets possible to build (i.e. joyland 0.10, or bet365 at 0.25) to the ones where you are confident and betting large amounts per spin (a la betinternet).

If they got your required unit size and table limits, and they pay = they are the casino for you.

4. have heard horror stories or pre-recorded video clips of live dealer casinos showing you the number they wanna show you, and not your winning bet. is this true and to what extent ? how can I trust my casino ? which one(s) can I trust ?

Trust the ones who get consistent word-of-mouth positive reviews such as dublinbet.com

5. similarly have heard horror stories of rng nmbers being manipulated etc. similar questions here as that of question 4

Even if they are 100% fair, RNG's are beasts of their own. Bear in mind you aren't playing roulette. They are just using very very very different events mapped to numbers 0-36. Mind playing against atmosferic noise?

6. a live dealer game have a time limit to place bets ? is it generally sufficient in case I am using a strategy which needs me to place many bets all over the table. plus calculation time. is there a time-limit to place bets in case of rng's.

All of the live games have time limits to place bets. At some casinos such a bet-laying window have different timing per-spin (i.e. dublinbet.com, where you can experience the same slow games as any land-based busy table).

Regardin RNG's, at multi-player tables you do have time limits imposed to lay your bets.

you asked me to ask. I ask. you asked for it

I am glad you are asking dear friend. We are here to help each other. We learn from exchanging experiences.

respect always
anand

You know it goes both ways; plenty of respect to you for devoting time to the art of playing this wonderful game.

Best regards.

Your friend,
Victor

[AnandMajumdar]

victor!

if you were a girl i could kiss you now! 

That WAS a very very informative reply.. thanks a lot.. i feel a little more confident to play live now (no one can stop me! revenge will be mine!!!)

So live dealer it is for me too.

does a live dealer feed have a limit of how many online people are playing it. as in the number of "spaces" at a table ? and if one sits at a table can one sit without playing a few bets ? does one get booted if one doesnt place bets for too long (just recording spins) ?

BTW your LW system is absolutely amazing. to be honest, dunno if i understand it all. dunno yet what the JD,LC and JC column do yet. only found stuff to read on LD yet. but its too cool. and its a 44kb file!

how many years have u put into roulette ?

anand/andy (as sam christened me)

[AnandMajumdar]

dear enrique,

thanks to you for your response. i definitely value it. what is your view about the game ?
any advice or tips you would like to share with me thats already not discussed ?

cheers
anand

[TwoCatSam]

Andy

You know that comment about a nut was from a candy bar song?  No slur at you.  Some of us Americans say that about ourselves all the time.

You didn't ask me, but let me give you some advice:  I'm doing well at Wild Jack.  I don't recommend them, but I do recommend finding a casino that will let you bet with very small bets.  You absolutely must adopt the idea that it's "just not my day" and walk away!  The next time you log on, it may be your day and you'll clean house.

I'd just hate to see you work so hard with those young ladies and then lose that money at the casino.

Sam

[VLSroulette]

victor!

if you were a girl I could kiss you now!

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That WAS a very very informative reply.. thanks a lot.. I feel a little more confident to play live now

Bear in mind before putting actual money on a methodology:  you should test, test, test; practice, practice, practice with it. You have to be very confident on the method before your 1st real-money bet.

Remember you could get into the wings of Sam, or Lanky or myself as "coach". We all work for free and only wish the personal success of fellow roulette players. A "Thank you" is our payment.

As for the Lw methodology: Now lanky is the "Lw man"   I have been using my own take of VLS + ATILA for real money versus Lw lately as it nets me more per session ( +100 units min. ) and it's more relaxed on the brain (ie no pattern detection required).

If you want, I could personally coach you on that VLS + ATILA combination . Only thing I ask is our exchanges to be done entirely in public so others can enrich from us too. Hey, that is the main goal of our forum, to discuss, to exchange, to share and to succeed like a family.

Remember ATILA (the actual Spanish player) makes a living on land-based casinos' roulette. I have had direct communication with him; he is a very gentle and approachable guy, hope I be the same for you Anand.

This is a learning chain, we learn from each other and take our own ways to play to the next level with our tweaks.

Curious thing is when testing his methodology against continuous files of thousands of spins it fails like any other system; ATILA knows about is, but he uses it anyway because of his reality is he wins more than losing using it. That should be the only thing that matters.

So live dealer it is for me too.

The best choice anand. I'm only betting live roulette all the time.

does a live dealer feed have a limit of how many online people are playing it. as in the number of "spaces" at a table ?

Unlike a regular roulette table, it does not limit. I have heard from dealers they are hosting the table for 200+ players simultaneously.

and if one sits at a table can one sit without playing a few bets ?

Yes you can skip a few bets. Depends on the casino you are playing; it may be only a couple spins to several minutes without bet (i.e. Dublinbet).

does one get booted if one doesnt place bets for too long (just recording spins) ?

Yep.

BTW your LW system is absolutely amazing. to be honest, dunno if I understand it all. dunno yet what the JD,LC and JC column do yet. only found stuff to read on LD yet. but its too cool. and its a 44kb file!

Okay my friend. If you don't understand what to do with it, then don't place real money on it. Devoting more time to learn/practice and less time to play is better when starting to know something new in gambling.

how many years have u put into roulette ?

About a decade. First 2-3 years were quite a bumpy road. I did have to learn by the means of losing at first. May our exchanges prevent you from experiencing such a start.

In roulette, first years' school (actual casino play) is an expensive course. As there is no "roulette 101", you have to self-educate; and better for free at a roulette community like ours where you can avoid mistakes others already made. Believe me: free school leaves more bank for betting. I wish I would have someone to ask when starting! Mind you, my only close-relative into gambling is, well, an addicted gambler. Not much use on asking.

I did have a dealer friend at the time (now ex-dealer). He and I teamed together to form our tiny study group and we came along the Lw method (Gana/Pierde in spanish = Lw = Gp).

Now you can chose whose style suits you better and have the internet to communicate "only a click away". Once we joked VLS stands or Victor. Lanky. Sam... how curious you can chose now among the three of us on who you want as a "coach":

Sam flat bets (wins more bets than losing ones). Among the three of us he is the conservative man with more patience than Methuselah.

I use progressions (even if slow as ATILA, it is still an "up as you lose" or negative progression) doing the best for this rising to occur in a positive tram.

...and lanky uses his 6-point plan. He already has won like $9.000 from the Lw method that won't work And he has a big sharing heart.

Any of us would be very happy to devote time to you. It all depends on your personal betting style: level betting (Sam), progressive (me) or situational (progress/regress according to the 6-point plan) = Lanky.

anand/andy (as sam christened me)

Well you are my brother Anand... may you be cousin Andy for Sam
Victor

[AnandMajumdar]

YOU, Victor L Senior will be my "coach". I will be here everytime of the day, night, everyday, whenever you want and do whatever you ask me to without a single question. You know, There is this training video i have which is called "empty your cup" (not related to roulette). It is about total submission to learning and to the teacher, irrespective of prior achievements (which come in the way of learning). I empty my cup for you victor. fill it as you please..

This is my happiest moment, in a long time, in roulette, and in this forum.

i submit to learning the strategy you mention.

Now your turn. Fire away.

your b(r)other,

anand

[AnandMajumdar]

dear sam,

hey of course i know that was anything but a slur.. ..thank you my friend..

about wildjack.. you say that you are doing good there but still dont recommend it for me.. why? high table limits ? is that what it is ? ..

you dont need to ask me to give me advice. so just keep rolling it. to quote from a book " god has given us two eyes, two ears, but one mouth. it means observe twice as much, hear twice as much and speak once". i plan to do just that. i want to hear you talk. i read the same forum posts many times a day. and you will be surprised that the same post opens new windows in me each time i read it. ..

yours
andy

[TwoCatSam]

Andy

OK, let's put it this way; I DO recommend it because I think it's fair and it has a low minimum bet. 

Now, as a person who heard a man crying in the stall at the horse races, I know what gambling can do to a person. 

Proceed, but with caution.  As Victor said---test---learn for yourself.

I am beginning a test on this new thing 17Black posted about the /Compa-LeBear Cadence system.  Let me run a few hundred spins through the Samerator and I'll let you know what I come up with.

I'd love to see you win.

By the way, my wife wants to send you a pic of her grandson.  She almost fell through the floor; wants you to spike your hair a little!!  LOL

Sam

[AnandMajumdar]

pls send!

i would love to see what he is like.. also a picture of you and your wife if possible (you have my email).. i have a video of me performing salsa at a salsa festival on youtube.. will give you the link if you wanna watch me dance (the girl is pretty too)

[TwoCatSam]

Yes, yes,  send the link to twocatsam@cox.net

I'll work on the other.

check my new post under testing

Samster

[TwoCatSam]

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