If Progressions Don't Beat the House Edge, What Good Are They?

[Mr J]

You won't draw me into an argument but nice try. If you dont like it that I NET more than you do, I dont care. Get a dog or something. Ken

[Mr J]

I know I asked you this in the past Number 6 but I dont remember the answer. Your way of playing is what? (this is where it gets fun) Let me guess....either something that cant be TESTED (AP, cough) or a method that is a secret? I have said it 500,000 times on the boards. There should be a RULE.....You are NOT allowed to QUESTION other methods unless your method can be tested and in the positive over 3 million spins.  Ken

[Spike!]

Show us how you're more likely to win a 2-number bet selected by a system than 2 numbers selected randomnly,>>>

LOL, nice try, Six. He can't show that because its not true. Every time I make a bet on R/B, red is just as likely to hit as black. Yet I'm right more often than not. What Ken does is uses his experience with his different methods of play, and that gives him a better bet selection than random choice. The proof is in the winning, it never lies.

[Number Six]

You won't draw me into an argument but nice try. If you dont like it that I NET more than you do, I dont care. Get a dog or something. Ken

Wow.

You are NOT allowed to QUESTION other methods unless your method can be tested and in the positive over 3 million spins.  Ken

I'll question whatever I want. If you can't step up with the answers, fine. If you don't want to, fine.

[Mr J]

True Spike. It can not be a coincidence (I dont think) that over the years, my ways of playing LAST LONGER in terms of starting BRs over "X" number of weeks/months. Meaning....we'll use a 6K BR 3.5 years ago compared to using a 6K BR starting 6 months ago. Why do my BRs last longer NOW? I still say its trial and error. Trial and error is not only for gambling. I can think of 100 non-gambling examples where you LEARN what NOT to do because of PAST mistakes.  Ken

[Mr J]

"I'll question whatever I want" >>> So your way of playing is what? I'm staying in tonight so I have lots of spare time. I'll watch the Boston game and can do some testing! Waiting..........

[Number Six]

"I'll question whatever I want" >>> So your way of playing is what? I'm staying in tonight so I have lots of spare time. I'll watch the Boston game and can do some testing! Waiting..........

I don't live by your rules, Mr J. We're not in your tree house now, you know.

[Mr J]

ROFL...yep, whenever ya want to shut'em down for a while, just ask for DETAILS how they play.     Ken

[Spike!]

Number Six, the more experience you get playing a particular method, the better you get at it. Something happens, you learn things aout how it works that can't be explained. Its not magic, its not voodoo. Its why the guy on a job for 40 years has invaluable knowledge about that job that he can't explain and is only learned by experience.

I remember talking to a pit guy in Vegas who was almost 80 in the roulette pit. I asked him why he didn't retire and he said the casino won't let him. He said he'd been in the pit for 55 years and he could spot a cheating dealer a mile away. It was his experience that did it and the casino can't replace people like that, they are literally irreplacable.

The same thing works with random outcomes, the more you work with them, the better you get.

[Mr J]

@Number Six >> Another goofy example.....Lets say a guy has NEVER played roulette in his life, not even on line. He read a few books and asked questions on message boards, he DOES know all the payouts etc.  He has a BR of 3K. If EVERYTHING is only based on luck, that guy should do about the same (net) as me, Spike, Teo, Nate, Spiders Kiss? Are you nuts? I'm not counting, he has ONE good day. I am talking about week/month after week/month. That guy and myself are equal? No way, sorry.  Ken

[Spike!]

we'll use a 6K BR 3.5 years ago compared to using a 6K BR starting 6 months ago. Why do my BRs last longer NOW? I still say its trial and error.>>

I really believe that if you keep practicing and modifying what you do, you'll never have the edge, but you'll come close enough to the house edge that with a big enough BR and the right progression and balls of teflon, you can minimize your losses enough to eventually stay ahead of the game. But it takes constant practice and constant paying attention, if you get lazy and take it for granted you're screwed.

[Number Six]

Experience might enable you to draw assumptions about the current state of play when it pertains to some system or betting method, in fact, it's not that difficult. I know pretty quick if I'll make a goal or if I'm in too much fluctuation for it to be guaranteed or if I'll get nowhere near it. This sort of thing DOES come from practice and doing extensive testing. Of course, your judgement isn't always going to be correct. However I doubt this would work for long progressions like Mr J does because you don't have enough information to make a sound decision on.

[Spike!]

I am talking about week/month after week/month. That guy and myself are equal? No way, sorry.>>>

People have no clue as to how much work is involved in winning consistantly at roulette. Its amazing. If they had even an inkling of what it takes, the dedication to understanding what you do, they would run the other way as fast as they could.

[Mr J]

Not to brag but I really have it good. Lots of experience, I know all etiquette/rules of the game, I have high BRs, I have the balls to use those BRs, patience, I dont drink while playing, I answer to no one if I start losing alot (wife, kids), a REAL casino 15 minutes away and I have the time to play. Not as much time as I use to but still enough. Add all that up....its good for Ken!!!!

[Spike!]

Of course, your judgement isn't always going to be correct.>>>

It doesn't always have to be. On the EC's, I can be wrong a lot, just so I'm right more often than wrong. On 20 bets, the best I'm supposed to be able to do is 10 right and 10 wrong. With my celebrated hit rate, I have to get 4 more better than 10 right. Thats all, just 4 more right than wrong. And people have fits, they throw themselves on the floor and foam at the mouth over this. Over getting just 4 more.

[Spike!]

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