Roulette 30

[kav]

Hello,

I'm not selling anything.
However since direct links are not allowed in the main board I'd like to introduce my personal non commercial site about roulette here.

In a world full of scammers, cheating RNG online roulette games, "sure win" martingale system sellers. And with more and more people adopting the "you can't win with a method, you need to find a biased wheel" approach, I felt the nee to create "Roulette 30".

The point of Roulette 30 is to help people learn the -]basics of roulette and then discover new approaches to old, classic roulette questions. Learn to think mathematically and creatively. Is a place with new roulette ideas, new concepts, old and new roulette systems and a very exclusive roulette forum. All this mixed-up with probability theory [/url] Roulette 30 is not about AP or VB.

And just to avoid misunderstandings and flamewars Id like to explain a couple things.

Q: Why is Roulette 30 only about mathematical methods? Don't you know they all fail in the long run? Why not jump on the bandwagon of AP?
A: My attraction to roulette is not only the potential of financial gains but also (probably more so) the intellectual challenge it represents - in fact it's the combination of both that makes roulette play so intriguing to me. Biased wheel spottin seems to me tedious and VB is more a skill than an intellectual achievement. Oh, and it IS possible to be profitable without using AP.

Q: Do you have the perfect system that wins all the time? If you do why don't you just tell us? Are you a system seller? What are yo trying to prove with your site?
A: I'm not a system seller. In fact I believe -/p/is-it-possible-to-beat-roulette.html]it is possible to win at roulette without having "THE WINNING SYSTEM"[/url]. I'm someone who thinks he has learned, thought, experienced and created enough about roulette and wants to share. I'm not a guru. But I believe I have something to offer - to share. Because (admit it) it's a hard, lonely job to try to tame this ancient wild animal called-/search/label/Bits%20of%20wisdom] Roulette, (also called luck, probabilities, unpredictability, or randomness).
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That's all.
Thanks for reading and for the hospitality

[Noble Savage]

Yes it's already in your signature, I'm sure everybody saw it by now.

It's a nice blog. It would be good to also note that the ideas shared therein are not exactly facts but rather personal opinions, and should be approached as such.

For instance, if you are interested in mathematical systems, then this implies that you should at least have a clear understanding of the maths of the game. Posts like the one titled "The math-boys contradiction" though show a serious lack of such understanding. If you don't know the answer to what seems to you as a "contradiction", then in my humble opinion you shouldn't be writing about it. Sadly however, you wouldn't be the first one to publish roulette misinformation (Ion Salui is one example).

Good luck with your quest, many before you has been there and it proved to be a road that leads to one place.

[Mr J]

"Why not jump on the bandwagon of AP?" >>> Its a wagon alright. On fire and rapidly heading downhill. AP (cough) is also a great place to HIDE from the real world. I'm sure in 1921, different forms of AP (cough) probably worked just fine, NOT today folks.  Ken

[Bayes]

Ken,

Just recently you said that in your opinion, the mathboyz resort to the house-edge, independent trials 'argument' as a way of avoiding the effort of building a good system. It seems to me that you are doing the same thing you accuse the mathboyz of in regards to AP.

'AP has had its day' - have you really found that out from experience? I doubt it.

If you were to invest the same time and effort in AP as you do in systems...

If you're making good money playing systems, I say good luck to you and carry on. But don't believe that's all there is.

P.S. For what it's worth, I have known lots of people who started off as system players and in the end moved to the 'Dark Side', but I've never heard of an AP giving it up to play systems.

[albalaha]

dear kav,
                 I have seen your blog. Interesting one but incomplete. compile more.
best of luck.

[Spike!]

but I've never heard of an AP giving it up to play systems.>>

Thats because AP is the end of the line. Its something you arrive at after you realize you don't have what it takes to investigate roulette from any other standpoint. Its what hookers become when they stop turning tricks and take up religion. They say theres nothing more self righteous than a reformed hooker. Thats what some AP players remind me of, reformed hookers. They've seen the light and they enjoy nothing more than throwing stones at the unenlightened. AP players are in a special 'club', they even have the winks and nods and secret handshakes that go along with being better than everyone else. Smarter, hipper, and when they use the toilet, not only does it not stink, you can hear the sound of angels singing.

The rest of us have to be satisfied with whatever we can win by other methods, we realize we'll never have what it takes to enter the secret and sacred world of AP..

[Mr J]

 I agree, the end of the line. 'They' try for a short period of time, 1-3 years, then give up cause its tooooo tough.  Ken

[Noble Savage]

AP players are in a special 'club', they even have the winks and nods and secret handshakes that go along with being better than everyone else. Smarter, hipper...

There is no secret "club", that's just your sense of insecurity (with regards to AP) talking. You always feel that when an AP disagrees with you that he's actually saying "you're a loser, I'm a winner and I'm here to laugh at you", just because he's an AP.

Look at Spike and Ken, one hates progressions and mechanical systems, and the other swears by them. Yet they avoid disagreeing with each other and prefer to form a team against those smart AP's.

It's always about ego for them, not genuine objective roulette discussion. It's ridiculous.

In trading circles, it's technical analysts vs. fundamental analysts. Yet I have to admit the debates don't get this ridiculous.

[Mr J]

I said nothing about a secret club. So its me and Spike against the world? lol There are MORE than two opinions regarding playing roulette, I think you would agree. As I see it, Spike and I AGREE for the most part that AP (cough) is a convenient way to HIDE cause they FAILED at trying to come up with a method, not the HG, a decent method. If you read any past threads, I have been messing around a little with flat betting. I really dont care for it too much but I'll take it over lying to myself with AP (cough). Ken

[Noble Savage]

AP (cough) is a convenient way to HIDE cause they FAILED

Um, the same goes for anything, not just AP. Progression play, educated guessing, hidden maths, claiming you win 5k a day with some forex system, etc. It happens all the time. The point is WHO CARES? Anybody can claim to be anything in the internet. I'm not here for some battle of egos (that's what's ruining these forums, imo). But if I disagree about something regarding the GAME (I.e. if someone claims something that, to me, challenges the reality of the game as I see it), then I will challenge and debate it.

[Mr J]

I ALSO have said it before. Play how you want, I get nothing and I lose nothing from your play. The DENIAL people are already lost, nothing I can do about that. Its the people on the fence I am concerned with.  Ken

[kav]

dear kav,
                 I have seen your blog. Interesting one but incomplete. compile more.
best of luck.

Hi albalaha,
Thanks for your message. Yes it is incomplete. I'll try to add more.

best luck

[Bayes]

Well, not everyone has the time or resources to devote years to becoming a roulette super-hero, neither are they interested in the challenge of trying to beat an 'impossible' game. Let the system (cough) players and educated guessers (splutter) have their way. Let them bask in the self-satisfied glow of their own egos. Some of us are just interested in making money.

[Spike!]

There is no secret "club" >>

You just act like there is. Most of you drip with condencention, you are constantly putting non AP players 'in their place', telling them they're uneducated, they don't understand. Some of us arewinning very consistantly and you flat out refuse to believe its possible. THATS whats ridiculous. I don't envy AP players, good god, its the exact opposite. I view you as neanderthals from another era, relics of the past. YOU are the ones who lack understanding.

[Spike!]

Let them bask in the self-satisfied glow of their own egos. Some of us are just interested in making money.>>

What do you think we play for, cough drops? Why do you think we devote so much time to this, so we can have a circle jerk and congratulate ourselves? Its for the MONEY, what the hell else is there. Money can't buy happiness, but it sure buys everything else. And AP players have the market cornered on ego, you must be joking..

Here's the bottom line. I could care less that you play VB, if that floats your boat, cool. Its YOU GUYS that can't tolerate anybody winning any other way. Because you already tried that and gave up. Do you think we're idiots and just fell off the turnip truck? We can spot sour grapes from a mile away.

[Spike!]

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